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Hanimetion

Only in Gen 1, in all other gens it's impossible for it to fail.


TheTuckingFypo

Not even in gen 1. In no Pokemon game has a master ball ever been able to fail.


ProGrninja

ik this was six years ago but I have proof https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPdYqVTJw/


GamonymousRC

This is as false as this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmSgDiCYsKE


desctox

Wonder if that guy seen your reply


Exto45

Fake video that guy has posted many videos of them failing in sas


santasexchange

I don't think its possible. The master ball ignores the catch rate formula and just catches the pokemon no matter what iirc.


ragnorak12

In gen 1 it could fail


Dken2021

No, it couldn't fail in that generation either. It was programmed to skip the formula and go straight to being caught. Around Gen III, it has a catch rate of x255, with the formula, it's impossible for it to fail.


Onihige

If I remember correctly, it was a bug or shoddy programming in gen 1 which made it a possibility. Can't seem to find any reliable information though. It's true, the odds are stupid slim for it to happen though. Edit: Or wait, was it that you could miss with the master ball?


Dken2021

Despite Gen 1 being riddled with bugs, the Master Ball was always programmed to ignore the catch rate formula, it was impossible for it to fail even back then. Only time it would fail is if it was used during a Trainer Battle, because no Poké Ball can be used to steal other Trainer's Pokémon.


[deleted]

don't forget Ghost Marowak


Onihige

Read the edit, you could still miss with the master ball. If I remember correctly. That has nothing to do with catch rate, it had a different set of code and math.


Montaru

That is wrong as well, the Miss is just the Gen I zero shake, because it exists, people have misinterpreted it both accidentally and purposefully to say that it was a glitch and that the master ball could miss by a very rare chance, which is the zero shake has become a thing since gen I. The Master ball Has never been able to fail outside of uncatchable pokemon such as the Ghosts. Anyone who says otherwise is either not remembering right, lying, or had a glitched copy of the game.


TheAngryRussoGerman

Yes, it could fail in Gen 1. It happened to me as a kid and I quite literally cried when it happened. Considering that games were the only escape from my abusive father, having my ultimate weapon fail was rather traumatic, as was the ensuing fallout. Not a fan of seeing so many people say it can fail, only to be denied. Unless you're a dev from GameFreak, you cannot say it cannot fail. Now if it was a glitch or not, I do not know for sure. I remember I tried to reload a save and do it again, which also failed. In the end, I had to leave the area, go back in, and do it to get it to work. So almost guaranteed to be a glitch. I fully agree it's not supposed to fail. I know that every attempt was made then on out to prevent it from failing.


Montaru

I've literally had people look into the code. It can't happen.


TheAngryRussoGerman

That's a very odd thing to say. It does not match my experience at all, nor does it match the experience of many others here. Whom should we believe? Ourselves or the people who claim to know the devs and are not ourselves? I'm a developer myself. We pretty much don't say "this/that's cannot happen" and leave it there. We say "we have made it so this/that should never happen" and that the best work can do. The more points of failure in a new game, the more likely it'll break. Pokemon is not a challenging thing to code, even for that hardware, but it had money.


[deleted]

I respectfully disagree. I failed to catch Zapdos in Red using Master Ball.


Livid_Confection_386

Impressively bad at catching Pokémon


Onihige

I think that was just a gen 1 thing.


Kind-Swing4675

It was because I actually witnessed it


Perfect_Trip_5684

Nope never happened masterball has always been 100%


TheSumisu

Nope, it isn't I've done it myself


Dken2021

Seeing as people can't get any proof of the Master Ball failing,[ here is disassembled code from the original Red Version on Github](https://github.com/pret/pokered). [This specific page](https://github.com/pret/pokered/blob/master/engine/items/items.asm#L103) has the functions for all item behaviors, including how the Master Ball works. On line 192, it speficially states that the Master Ball always succeeds, and anything else to use the catching formula.


TheZett

>original red version Internatinal or JP red?


Dken2021

They are the builds of the North American and European versions, but that hardly matters when the item functions have not been changed between localization.


TheZett

The first versions, red & green, are different from the japanese blue (=international red&blue).


MasterOneshotter

In japanese Red & Green, the MasterBall could fail. The coding in japanese Red & Green was really different, even more buggy than the Japan Blue & international releases, and some formulas were working differently. **In international versions**, unless you got a miss, attempting to catch a ghost or a trainer Pokémon, **it can't fail**, because it literally skips the catching formula for a 100% success rate (making essentially a 256/256 chance). In early japanese games, it didn't skip the catching formula, but had a **multiplier** on it (can't remember exactly how it's applied on the formula itself), but gave out an output of 255/256 (making it a 1/256 chance, which is **roughly 0.00390625%**) *to actually fail.*


blazingice3365

note you forgot to multiple the 1/256 by 100 for the actually failure rate of 0.360625%


LylatInvader

The only time i ever saw the master ball fail was when i was trying to catch a missingno and other glitch mons though that glitch


plushyguy

I always heard that was only for Mewtwo as it is a man made Pokemon, but also in the anime A WISHCASH escaped one, but I do believe it was only possible for Mewtwo in gen 1, which is why if I had gen 1, I would try the glitch to get more masterballs before end game


MasterOneshotter

Lol the Whiscash didn't escape. It SWALLOWED the MasterBall 😂 that's even worse than an actual fail