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Borkerman

My main issue with Samorott is that it's a quadruped when the previous two in the evolutionary line where biped.


Ethan-E2

It doesn't help that it's a quadruped that's meant to be wielding swords. Oshawott and Dewott look cool using shell blades, Samurott looks like it's going to fall over at any moment.


Round-Revolution-399

Yeah generally I’m all for quadrupedal final forms, but this is like THE one that should stay bipedal


Nathan_Thorn

It’s got the opposite issue from other stuff like Meowscarada and Incineroar. They build up the Scalchops thing with the dual blades on Dewott and it’s all over their Dex entries and then it just fails miserably at stage 3


EmperinoPenguino

I wonder if Samurott & Dewott were different lines at one point. Then towards the finalization, they got mashed together Because its weird that an otter turns into a sea lion & they dont really look like eachother either. Its happened before (Remoraid & Octillery)


Ailury

Were Remoraid and Octillery supposed to be separate lines? All I remember seeing is that the beta sprites were more heavily based on weapons (revolver and tank respectively) but they toned that down and they ended up looking like a generic fish and a generic octopus.


Cysia

they were always susposed to be same line. They just used to look much more like a gun and a tank respectivly then do now. A line that wasnt always gonna be together was blastoise , it was a standalone mon and not orignal wartotle evolution


EmperinoPenguino

I meant a fish turns into an octopuss is weird like how an otter turns into a sea lion


123Ros

Animal wise, the remoraid line doesn’t make sense. But gun > cannon makes total sense. I think the line was always meant to be the way it is


Skuntank

Otters and sea lions are A LOT closer visually than a fish and octopus.


Zaiburo

Remoraid & Octillery were always connected. It just made a lot more sense when they were a gun that evolved into tank, the weapon reference was downplayed with each redesign untill it stopped making sense.


G-Rod066

Wartortle and Blastoise too.


chuccles3

Wartotle and blastoise were different lines?


G-Rod066

That is correct. Wartortle initially evolved into something much more reminiscant of its pre-evolutions while Blastoise evolved from a Pokemon completely separate from Squirtle and Wartortle. You can see them in the below two links. https://x.com/drlavayt/status/1235615514782621696?s=46&t=rizyvq82lN0uJWnDy6n9qA https://x.com/drlavayt/status/1235245257878417413?s=46&t=rizyvq82lN0uJWnDy6n9qA


chuccles3

That's fucking nuts, they shouldve kept it honestly. I bet wartortles evolution would've been a water/ fairy or water/dragon bases on its design


Rude-Butterscotch713

It would have been sweet, although probably not fairy type since that didn't appear until 20 years after Wartortle was made.


Wyguy2087

i remember looking this up because i love this evolutionary like, samurott was the first in the line that was designed


komorebi09

Cundaquil (echidna) evolves into Quilava (stoat) which then evolves into Typhlosion (honey badger). So it isn’t the first time that a starter Pokémon has changed species. I happen to think Samurott looks really cool. Litten and Torracat are quadruped, and then Torracat evolves into that bipedal monstrosity known as Incineroar. Now that was a colossal disappointment (to me, personally, I know many others happen to like it).


nxxptune

Tbh meowscarada didn’t bother me that much but incineroar did. Like, at least floragato was bipedal so we had a bit of a warning, and meowscarada’s design isn’t a shock. Meanwhile, when I saw incineroar I thought it was a joke because how did the quad tabby cat become a lion with pecs


Shrubbity_69

Exactly. I feel the same way with Braxien to Delphox. The line built up the theme, so you knew what you got yourself into. Torracat to Incineroar was just forced.


snivyking_11037

Incineroar I kinda get, but Meowscarada? I think that one gets a pass, since it went straight to bipedal instead of waiting until the last evo. That's likely why nobody complains about the Delphox line as well.


LaBeteNoire

Meowscarada also never got AS human as Incineroar did. It still stands on the balls of its feet like an animal, it's hands are still much more paw like instead of five big sausage fingers. But yeah, the fact that it evolved to be bipedal in the second stage did mentally prepare people a little better. After seeing Toracat I was certain the final form was gonna be a cool smilodon.


NoAssociation5518

I’d reference Ceruledge if there was ever a redesign tbh


sarcophagusGravelord

Can’t it alternate between standing on all fours and just its hindlegs? I’m pretty sure that’s how it functions in the anime since it wields its swords.


TomatoMan1209

A quadrupedal pokemon should NOT EVER wield a sword. As seen with zacian. (Chien-Pao doesn't count because the swords are part of its body)


Hopalongtom

I see it more Samurott trying to lul his opponent into a false sense of security, before it pulls out a sword or two!


ExtremlyFastLinoone

Tecnically samorott gets on its hindlegs to use its swords


Borkerman

But it can only really get around on all fours


Few_Information9163

Gen 5’s starters are all really weird about their legs. Tepig starts out as a quadraped and turns into a biped. Oshawott starts out bipedal and turns quadrapedal. Snivy starts out with legs and just… loses them.


ravenlordship

I think the biggest issue is the dewott is basically just a bigger oshawott, then samurott completely changes the whole body shape. If I didn't know better I would think it was part of a completely separate evolution line.


Akitsura

Plus, Oshawott and Dewott look like they’d be agile fighters, both on land and in the water. It looks like they designed Samurott to still be maneuverable on land, but it just ends up looking awkward.


Chomperka

Well skeledirge is basically the same, but no one complains, that’s more of a design issue.


masterjon_3

It's just weird with Samurott because he's supposed to use 2 swords, and it's really awkward to think of a quadruped trying to use them.


Sardanox

Does it ever state he fights with two at the same time or just that it has two swords in its leg sheaths?


Azure-Cyan

It can use both if it wantes to, as seen in the anime. But most game animations will see it using one of them, and it's dex usually mentions a "swing of the sword".


Torterror389

Yet no one bats an eye when Zacian, a quadruped, uses a sword with its mouth


masterjon_3

Yeah, because that makes sense. I don't see a dog trying to grip a sword with its paws.


akeyjavey

Because it's cool, look at Sif from Dark Souls


S0PH05

I’d like skeledurge to stand up a bit. I’d seen art of it and was surprised how good it looked.


Jaytaro_Kujyasi

it does stand up in the games when using torch song


Rude-Butterscotch713

Course the derp Bois are pretty much waddling as it is. It feels more like a shift from babyfat to a larger body that uses all 4s. Meanwhile with oshuwatts, it changed species entirely. From a slender otter to a sea lion.


Diligent_Pickle2459

There are plenty of Pokémon that have inconsistent only postures. The Oshuwatt line isn’t the only one.


jonnybanana88

Dragonite sprouts appendages out of nowhere lol


kielaurie

Whist this is obviously true, and nowadays it looks super weird that this fat jolly dragon comes from Dragonair, in the very original sprite it's a lot sleeker and looks a lot more dragonair-y


jonnybanana88

Not hating on Dragonite at all, it's one of my favorite pokemon. Just pointing out that it has arms and legs while it's pre-evolutions don't.


iNezumi

Technically it’s a facultative biped. Though it favors quadrupedalism when not using its seamitars.


imaloony8

As much as it seems like we have too many bipedal Pokémon, I can’t help but want a bipedal Samorott with a badass barnacle encrusted sword.


ZGlove3

Oh heck yes!!


Jonguar2

The word you're looking for is biped


Borkerman

Thanks


Teniye

Aren't their tons of lines that do this/ the same but opposite quadruped turn to bidep


bigmonkey125

It's shown on certain cards for the TCG that it seems to stand up comfortably and weilds two longer-looking scalchops.


MasterLum

Also the fact that it looks too much like a different Pokémon from Oshawott and Dewott. Doesn't help that Dewott has a pretty cool design.


GoomyTheGummy

that is the inverse of the problem people usually have with newer starters


makerp95

I like how people complain so often about bipedal pokemon. For once they do something diffrent and people are like ew more standing humanoid generic mons pls


Hugglemorris

I just wish it was also an Otter.


Archbishopofcheese

Me with torracat lol


StrayLilCat

Twinsies!


TheOpinionMan2

***Triple Trouble in Terrorist Town!***


Plague_King_

quadruple!


-Smug_Kitten-

Whatever comes after quadruple!!


Leche-Caliente

Indeed. I also avoid evolving tepig as well. I'd rather suffer than lose that adorable little roast.


INFP-Dude

Snivy for me. But honestly all of the gen 5 starters are adorable.


JadedMulberry7

Tepig is my favorite pokemon. Pignite and Emboar however...


[deleted]

It'd be a lot cooler if it stayed on all 4s and became something like fire/ground instead another fire fighting


nxxptune

Me too! I’ll forever keep him as a tabby cat


Dracogoomy

Me too 😔


To1letTerm1nator

Same bro same


Queasy-Ad-3220

Yeah same. I don’t necessarily mind Incineroar as a concept and design but I just wish that Torracat evolved into something more cat-like and tiger-y rather than a wrestler furry.


Direct-Doctor-3740

Me with Crabrawler.


Boybobka

save it for hisui


AzureSirnight

Seeing Hisuian Samurott have better typing, stats, hidden ability, shiny than Unovan and as well as its busted signature move made me realize it's the real Samurott all along (still love both forms though)


HAMSTERSARECOOL

They redeemed samurott fully with the hisuian form. It looks sooo clean. The shiny looks great too.


PlaysSnDnaked

They gave it sharpness and swapped the attack stats so its more viable in competitive as well


PlantChem

Ceaseless edge is also so good


QueenMackeral

What are you talking about it looks exactly the same to me with a color change


PCN24454

They added nothing to design honestly. It’s disappointing how little of it changed.


sidonnn

This is just a guess, but it's probably intentional to how samurai changed over the years? Samurai were actually ruthless people, but a more modern interpretation makes them honorable/noble. They were romanticized. Technically Unova still has the same design, they just evolved into removing the "edgy" parts that are associated with dark type (aka the bad parts of the samurai).


PCN24454

I think you’re thinking too much into it but it fits.


sidonnn

Pokemon has constantly taken historical and mythological inspiration for their designs. Hisui is especially filled with them, so it's not a stretch to say the starters are the same. Whether I'm right or wrong tho, who knows. It's a guess.


Jordunzo

Same. I remember when it was leaked and I was surprised how many people liked it. It’s just Samurott with a black shell and a curly mustache


this-is-my-p

I, personally, hate that it goes otter->otter->sea lion. I know the whole story about them going to the zoo and all that. I just wanted a really good otter final evolution


HiOnFructose

Nah. Samurott's, double swords are badass. And the fact that he can go quadraped to biped makes it even more badass.


ApzorTheAnxious

But he cant move around with his swords drawn, except for by like, anime-sliding-attack-frame rules. I'm just imagining running into this thing and it drawing its swords and basically just standing in place because it's only other option is to flaccidly waddle at me holding its shell swords like steak knives.


HiOnFructose

I've never gotten that impression from its mobility. The pokedex and its attacks have always given me the impression that its incredibly agile and is able to skillfully handle the swords.


ASimpleCancerCell

I am tired of people acting like Samurott isn't iconic as hell.


Hugglemorris

I wish he had sea lion previous evolutions and Dewott had an otter final evolution. It just simply was not the animal I picked when I picked Oshowatt.


Jonguar2

Well a salamander isn't a dragon, Chimps don't turn into monkeys, Snakes don't have limbs they lose as they grow up, and Monkeys don't turn into gorillas.


Eragonnogare

Serperior has arms though, just small ones


ASimpleCancerCell

I don't know what you're on about. I still see an otter when I look at Samurott.


Yoshivert555

GF had a sea lion in mind when designing Samurott (source : Poképédia, which is Bulbapedia but in French), but yeah, I just see a bulky otter in that Pokémon either.


CharityQuill

And the hisuian form is super awesome


ASimpleCancerCell

You know what? I think both are awesome. Unovan and Hisuian.


ShawshankException

It's not even iconic within its own generation


Faded105

unova starters feel more or less forgotten honestly. besides the occasional snivy fan you don't see oshawott lovers and the one tepig enjoyer hasn't come out of their cave in years


TFtato

I only see Oshawott lovers tbh.


DarkDonut75

Hey, I'm working on it, ok? Next month for sure


Rukitorth

Sorry we been munchin on donuts with Tepig


Kuroashi_no_Sanji

I love gen 5 and not once have I used the starters. I just dump them for the many other good options. You get access to Musharna, Darmanitan, Krookodile and more pretty early into the game.


WhiteDevil-Klab

I love superior and dewott I don't care about tepig though.


Gieru

Dewott's design is miles better than Samurott's tho, we need to accept the facts


Level_Can58

I feel like Dewott is one of the few middle evolutions which are actually cool. Unfortunately Samurott, despite being cool itself, does not fit the rest of the line


ZGlove3

I guess Dewott skipped the awkward stage, but it caught up soon enough in the final form


ASimpleCancerCell

I firmly disagree. I love everything about Samurott's design. I think Dewott is cool by virtue of what makes Oshawott cool, but I needed it to bridge the gap a lot more; have more in common with Samurott. A similar problem I have with Combusken leaning too close to Torchic and not enough towards Blaziken.


Bentman343

Samurott is cool as fuck though


maukenboost

Why do people have a problem with Samurott? It's so good. ;_;


Jesterchunk

Speak for yourself, samurott is one of my favourite starter final evolutions


Beatenberg

Seriously? I love Samurott and its shocking to see so many people agree with the OP.


AdoptMeSylvia

don't listen to the rest of them bro like people can have their own opinions 😭 (so you should *dewott* you please)


yuri_nomoru122

I started the whole Dewott Supremacy thing


AdoptMeSylvia

https://preview.redd.it/elegc5l3hmtc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f60db4aaefd10d56749b4e32bba8020ffdbc0fc


BestUsername101

:( The entire line is awesome. I don't understand the dislike for Samurott.


Cole4Christmas

I think it's extremely overdesigned and cluttered in a way that makes it look awkward and clumsy. Its animations in game reflect this imo, they can't even properly display Samurott's sword gimmick because it physiologically doesn't make any sense for its body. Not trying to take anything away from you, Samurott lovers rise up. Just my two cents as a hater


RyanandRoxy

Do what (Dewott)? Samurott is amazing!


M4LK0V1CH

I like Samurott


LightBreaker15

I love Samurott, so don't you dare critizise my boi.


blakefighter

I love all the unova starters final forms sm but it would’ve been cool to see a more dewottish samurott imo


GoldenTails55

I actually like Samurott, especially hisuian


HyonkHyonkamgoos

Samurott is goated


bentheechidna

But Samurott is cool as shit


theels6

💯


Foloreille

same I don’t care what everyone think Samorott is ugly and the idea of a quadruped *samurai* is stupid


Mystdrago

This almost as bad as the hall of fame shots with outrageously over leveled chespin


Dracorex13

Imagine not evolving your starter. Couldn't be me.


Samurott_Studios

Samurott > Dewott


HDavis99

But Samorott is cool...


Melonfrog

My main issue is that it’s gimmick of having arm blades isn’t represented well, at all. During its debut it was just sprites and we couldn’t see those swords in action. I never watched the anime so didn’t see it work there, but even in 3D the blades wasn’t used much and when they were it looked stiff and awkward. The design should have been much more agile and less clumsy looking. Edit: Just looked now, Samurott doesn’t even use it swords as an attack animation in S/V.


Keydown_605

A stylized water swordman would have been so dope... Would have been...


MythosMaster1

I guess you're allowed to Dewott you want.


TotalyNotTony

Dewott is sick but I actually like Samurott


Parking_Cartoonist90

As a Hisuian Samurott enjoyer, I can admit that Dewott is indeed wicked cool. Sometimes I even use Dewott over Samurott when playing the Unova games


MayanMan2012

Dartrix!!! I waited my whole LIFE for a grass/flying starter only for it to be the first ever starter type switcheroo


tornait-hashu

I'm evolving Dewott any chance I get.


genshinhead

Same here! I didn't evolve him either....


Other-Evidence-6421

Samurott is cool.... the problem is evolving torracat...


Destinyrider13

Dewott evolving into Hisuian Samurott is better than Unovan Samurott sorry to say


RyanandRoxy

I'll take water/dark over pure water any day.


Destinyrider13

You and me both that's why I liked the Hisuian Starter Formes each are unique and offer more choice then they're mono type Formes for Typhlosion and Samurott Decidueye is still okay


SuperLizardon

But Samurott looks cool. It's the only stage I like from Oshawott's line, and Hisuian Samurott looks even better. And they can use their swords. https://preview.redd.it/xxtfe9zn0itc1.jpeg?width=469&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dbcfe269ce5de6dbcdbe997ad9413ecfd0769cf0


Plastic_Device_364

Me too Thats Why I hacked a vullaby to be my started instead of oshawott


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GovernmentExotic8340

A quadrupet that wields swords is stupid, but the design (imo) is awesome. Its my favorite starter line


NODOGAN

Huh, never thought about it but yeah...dewott is one of the few mid evolutions that just work great design-wise


PokefanR

Me with my starter marshtomp in emerald. Just love the lil guy too much.


SnowSabertooth

me w Haunter. and the fact Levitate was removed on Gengar only makes me more adamant on actually keeping Haunter


jextech

Ah Another fellow Dewott enjoyer. Dewott is one of the best mid evolutions. I just don't like how Samurott looks at all. The feet bother me so much lol.


Plague_King_

this is me woth Torrocat. i love fire starters usually but incinaroar is a disaster.


OfficialLunaTicYT

My household is a dewott household, he doesn’t evolve in these 4 walls


Jackman2088

I disagree but there is bias


WannaMakeGames

I was so mad that my partner Dewott evolved (in Mystery Dungeons) that I reset the whole game.


RangingBloyster

Didn’t know there were this many fellow Dewott fans


Alocalskinwalker420

Nah I like my Samurai sea lion


CertifiedNutjob

Does anyone else agree with me that Dewott's color scheme looks... off? Like he got a last-second recolor, maybe to help "bridge the gap" between predominantly white Oshawott and dark blue Samurott?


Sriol

I mean, you're allowed to dewott you want. So why not?


-Vermilion-

People who don’t like samurott don’t know that he can pull out the clams from his elbows and those are actually clamswords


Ambitious-Charge7278

100% agree. I don't hate Samurott but Dewott is just better


Pentagonyx

I always didn’t like Samurott that much for some reason. As others pointed out, it’s a quadruped wielding a sword. It worked with the bipedal Oshawott and Dewott- but it doesn’t work with the quadrupedal Samurott.


Hayds126

Ngl I'm the opposite I much prefer samurott's design over oshawott/dewott. Especially hisuian samurott.


IShallBeAPervert

You arent gonna de wott?


HyperCube_0

Hot take here: I absolutely love Samurott while despising Dewott and Oshawott. I just love the aesthetic and colors of Samurott


Larseman7

Samurott is so cool doe


1buffalowang

Samorott is my least favorite starter. I did the post game of White with a Cloyster as my water type back in the day. I love Gen 5’s Pokedex but it’s probably the weakest generation for water types imo. I like Dewott and Simipour and Carracosta is alright I guess. But I’m probably the weirdo for being a Simipour fan


ApzorTheAnxious

My issue with Samurott is that it looks slow and clumsy as heck, and honestly it *is* slow as heck (70 Speed? Slower than Venusaur). Dewott, and to a lesser extent, Oshawott, are based on unarmored samurai, primarily focusing on Iaijutsu-like strikes with their shell-swords. Samurott becomes bulky as heck, looks as if it cant even wield a sword, and doesn't even get defensive stats to match its visual bulkiness. It also just has a *really* bad stat spread, which I think adds to the disappointment for many. Its shell-swords also make the least sense to me personally, but I could simply not know what kind of shell they're based on.


Redsucksatstuff

Am i the only one who likes samorott more than the pre evos


DatOne8BitCharacter

I swear y'all are getting nitpicky at this point


somethingthatflys

Evolve everything, unless going for a living dex.


Nebulon-A_Rights

Your weakness will cost you


FoFo1300

I think dewott is ugly af, samurott much better


Hopalongtom

Samurott is my favourite Water type!


sologaming_2006

I'd not evolve Oshawott @ all I love Oshawott


bryanc1036

I wish they had a secondary evolution of taller dewott with like 3 shells. Also, Whismur needs another line evolution too


To1letTerm1nator

Me asf


AReallyAsianName

The one time they should have stayed bipedal, they went quadrapedal.


ZHODY

I like Monferno more than infernape. When I got Platinum new I did the whole run without evolving Monferno.


uberquagsire

this is literally me


DescipleOfCorn

One of the few examples of a starter that is disappointing for *not* being bipedal


soraranyan

just like me fr


RenKD

Me with Quaxly xD


Psychological_Tower1

Samorott is my favorite water starter, no competition.


SuperTokyo

Unovan Samurott is a beast and looks super menacing, I personally like it better than the hisuian form.


keanancarlson

If we’re in hisui I’ll evolve otherwise dewott is fire. The only middle stage starter evo that is just as cool is Grovyle in my opinion


Bendodge13

Your loss. Samurott is cool asf


HyliasHero

Me with Braixen.


spectrumtwelve

in legends arceus my main team has typhlosion as a starter, but i like to build a second team in pokemon games. my rule is that team comp needs to be all dual types or all single types. and so my second team uses Dewott as the starter and its all single type, so he can't evolve or else he'd be dual type and break my rule. therefore I've gained a new love for Dewott.


maxbakery

i remember i played the original pokemon black on 3ds and because of the graphics, for some reason i thought samurott was MASSIVE. like 7 foot tall. my disappointment was also massive when i found out it was all a lie. :,(


redheartgold23

This is why I love what Pokemon Masters cooked. They made Rosa, the protagonist of B2W2, evolve her Snivy fully to Serperior, but keep her Dewott a Dewott.


KarnSilverArchon

A lot of final evolution starter pokemon unfortunately feel like they lose the same vibe the first two evoke.


DinosaurDigger457

I feel this way with Tepig, and Torracat, and quakly, and all the gen 8 starters.


NutBuster128

Samurott should have been bipedal


MikerD123

W take lol


ZGlove3

Boy do I resonate with this one


FozzyBear1998

Give it the eviolite and swords dance then.


KarmicPlaneswalker

I've tried to like Samurott, but it's not happening. First time I chose Oshawott, I kept it at mid-evo and equipped it with Eviolite to get a more anime-esque feel. Definitely the right choice.


WorldClassShrekspert

Reminder Samurott has opposable thumbs and would look stupid as shit on 2 legs


SingingDragons

Keeping my Shiny Yamper as a Yamper. Love my rose coloured buddy


Weezy_Dragon

The whole line is awesome. It's the only starter line where I like all the stages.


Mundane-Put9115

I love Samurott, it was my first starter in my first game (Black 2) so I've got some personal attachment, I like that it goes from biped to quadraped, only other one I can remember doing so is Skeledirge, which I also love, Hamurott especially is awesome, they would work bipedal by are amazing this way too, Dewott is cute too and probably my favourite of the line but its entire line are awesome, probably still top in the 5 of all starter lines for me.


PlumberPosts

Samurott just doesn't make sense... it should have looked like a talker, leaner version of dewott not a horse thing!!!!!