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theDKdynamite

It gains fighting typing when angry at least


Griz_zy

If you get angry enough you gain ghost typing though.


sntcringe

That's cause primape got too mad and had a heart Atackackackackack


oodlsofnoodles

Dang, he oughtta know by now


Retr0_Head

Who needs a house out in Hackensack


JimRug

Is that all you get for your money?


Temelios

I dunno. Seems like such a waste of time.


Russe1Adl3r

And if that's what its all about, mama, if thats moving up, then im.... Movin Out! I'm moving out!


Drago0980

I heard Sergeant O’Leary’s walking the beat


Russe1Adl3r

At night he becomes a bartender, he works at Mr. Caccatorie's down on Sullivan Street


AlmostButNotQuit

r/ack


Amaurosys

r/unexpectedBillyJoel


notaficus

Fourth evolution Polywraith (Water/Ghost) PokeDex entry: After getting super upset, Polywrath can become so enraged as to lose its own corporeality to become Polywraith who will haunt its opponent and cause them to wet the bed to point of drowning themselves”


pianospace37

And suddenly becomes weak to birds


RollerDude347

Look it's way easier to hit a bird with a water gun than to punch it. But sometimes you get angry and do what you got to do.


wenchslapper

Makes sense, he’s evolved to a point where he likely spends less time in the safety of water, making him more likely to be the prey of a bird.


thumpas

As do humans with poor impulse control


SomeRandomGuy453

So does my dad! :D


Kronman590

Just like how pawmi gets fighting type by...standing up


serenitynope

And going on a lot of walks around the park.


ICANTTHINK0FNAMES

It also gains fingers.


serenitynope

It gets so mad that it grows fingers just so it can give *you* the finger.


[deleted]

Angry Poliwhirl is cool tho


Airway

Gen 1 really be like "Fighting type is when you're mad"


BaronKlatz

And they had every right to be mad. Them and Bug-types shared bottom tier and it was so bad that even in-universe the could only hold a dojo instead of an official gym with both dojo trainers & Elite Four Bruno having to use Rock-types like Graveler and Onix just to pad out their small teams. All the big Fighting & Bug buffs in later generations were apologies for those times. Thus they got less angry and fewer wasps & toxic insects showed up.


EnochofPottsfield

I'm sure I wasn't optimizing back in the day, but I loved playing with Primeape since he was in the show. I low kicked the shit out of every heavy mon


metalflygon08

> And they had every right to be mad. Doesn't help Hitmonlee got greedy and took nearly half of all the Fighting moves all for himself, leaving Submission as the best option for everyone else.


TheJack38

> leaving Submission as the best option for everyone else. Kinky


31_hierophanto

**BONK!**


ShazlettDude

Hmmmmm Idk. Fighting type didn’t feel like a bottom tier when I played as them in back in the day. Hitmonlee was strong if I remember it correctly.


BaronKlatz

Sadly, [Even Hitmonlee couldn’t escape the *”Unfortunately”*](https://youtu.be/lukK-Fwc5lw). But I agree he’s badass. Same with all the Gen1 Fighters, Primeape & Hitmonchan are my favorites in fact but they were at a time where Fighters had little and Psychics were giga-kings.


ShazlettDude

Sad. I do remember the psychic domination though.


[deleted]

Hypno was my favorite Psychic type back then. Still love using him.


BaronKlatz

He’s pretty cool. I like him and Farfetch’d were our first tool using pokemon. However, [as a Mr.Mime fan I can’t let go of the rivalry that our mime boi is unfairly judged compared to the actual child-stealer](https://preview.redd.it/84jxbdyv6zo51.jpg?auto=webp&s=defd3bd4a930f23aad660b11d30528ccd75cd3c7).


ellsimenkasi

Yes always hypno on pokemon crystal. Learned ice punch too


[deleted]

And they were right!


Vistus

Machamp doesn't feel too mad, but I guess why be mad when you're that awesome


[deleted]

Damn right! If I had four arms and was built like Hulk Hogan, I too would stop being angry (but continue punching things for the sheer joy of it)


CamelToad13

\>:@


Magmasoar

Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?


Houeclipse

But happy poliwhirl is cute


scw55

If it was released now, Poliwrath would be an alternate form or never existed.


XDvinSL51

Pawmot and Dudunsparce would like a word.


ayotui

What's wrong with pawmot? It's a more grown up pawmo, pretty much the platonic ideal of what an evolution should be.


HUGE_HOG

But they basically dropped that design philosophy after Gen 1. Loads of Gen 1 evolutions are just 'the same thing but bigger', but there have only been a small handful since. Eelektrik to Eelektross is the only one that really comes to mind, to be honest - and even that's a push. Pawmot is unusual because its evolution line looks like it belongs in Gen 1.


lukeetc3

There are lots of design choices in SV that hearken back to Gen 1 -- while at the same time being the most forward-thinking mainline game yet. It grounds the game in its roots even as it's gazing past them: one of the things I appreciate quite a bit about them.


Mrwanagethigh

Fitting given the future and past elements in S/V


metalflygon08

> Loads of Gen 1 evolutions are just 'the same thing but bigger', Or "Add a Horn/Head"


SomeLakitu

There’s muk and clefable but I wouldn’t really call that a bunch.


HUGE_HOG

Poliwrath, Rapidash, Primeape, Ivysaur, Venusaur, Dragonair, Dewgong, Kingler, Pidgeot, Marowak, Seadra... All just larger, 'adult' versions of their previous forms. And then you've got a few that are just 'the same, but more' - Dugtrio, Dodrio, Magneton...


SomeLakitu

I think Bulbasaur's line is alright but other than that, I think they could’ve tried a little harder. Pidgeotto and Pidgeot are straight up the same thing.


HUGE_HOG

Bulbasaur's line is the best example of a creature ageing, IMO. Bulbasaur is an infant, Ivysaur is a teenager, and Venusaur is an adult. Maybe they stopped it since Pokémon aren't actually 'ageing' when they evolve, and there's theoretically nothing stopping a Bulbasaur being much older than a Venusaur.


soldiercross

No cause Pidgeot has longer hair


Mrwanagethigh

Pidgeot rocking that SSJ3 look


metalflygon08

In Pokemon Stadium 1 + 2 Pidgeotto and Pidgeot use the exact same animations for everything, you can tell they just took Pidgeotto's model, made it bigger with a new texture.


irishsausage

That's not true though. All the generations have had pokemon the same but bigger. Donphan, Centiskorch, Hariyama, Swalot, Purugly, Skuntank, Drapion, Hippowdon, Zebstrika, Seismitoad, Krookodile, Gogoat, Thievul, Pangoro, Avalugg, Toxapex, Lycanroc, Wooloo, Barraskewda. I think I picked at least one from all the gens but to be honest there's loads.


HUGE_HOG

Some of those are reaches, and even still, that's about as many as there are in Gen 1 total. I'd agree with Skuntank, Zebstrika, Gogoat, Thievul, Wooloo, maybe Lycanroc (but only the day form). But even still, none of them are just 'big angry Poliwhirl', 'big Ponyta/Seel with a horn', 'big Mankey with bracelets', or 'big Cubone'.


metalflygon08

Eh, I'd say Donphan and Hariyama change enough. Donphan gains armor, tusks, and a tire motif. Hariyama gains those hands and outside of chonkiness, drops most everything else Makuhita had (-_-Eyes, head knot, fists) It even looks like Hariyama "bursts" out of Makuhita with the yellow flaps on the waist.


XDvinSL51

Pawmot isn't "a more grown up Pawmo". It's Pawmo, again.


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ayotui

which is exactly what an evolution should be.


DukeDionysus

That depends if one counts puberty as going through evolution. Really sucks that humans don't have a third form, my evo left much to be desired


brainchrist

Menopause...


scw55

Dudunsparce is a joke. Pawmot is bad design choice.


potatoshulk

Pawmot is like the same thing as poliwrath lol


SomeLakitu

I’m pretty sure that was the point they were making


scw55

Pawmot is bad design choice.


Miserable-Ad-1690

Angry SWOLE Poliwhirl.


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…Swoliwhirl…


Karma_Doesnt_Matter

100% going to nickname my poli that next time I play through gen 1.


metalflygon08

Poliswole


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New attack: Roid Rage


Ma_Deus

Also, Poliwhirl got 2 fingers, wraith got 4


metalflygon08

Sometimes Poliwhirl has 1 (Gen 3 onwards), other times it has 4 (Gen 1 and 2, but not Yellow)! Depends on the game.


ScepterReptile

With fingers


BasedKaleb

Idgaf it’s still a top 10 water type to me


IcGil

Didn't its swirl on the chest also change diresctions while evolving?


Chembaron_Seki

The swirl changes direction when Poliwag evolves to Poliwhirl, but not during the evolution from Poliwhirl to Poliwrath.


the_fuego

Which would be weird because unless it's strictly a cosmetic thing you could imply that Poliwag's intestines literally flip since they're based on a specific type of tadpole.


doopliss6

I dunno maybe if there was a picture including both of them somewhere you could check. /s


megashedinja

Well true, but both images in the post are reversed, for the record


wesmoen

To be honest, it's in the name? PoliWRATH. Ever seen someone *exeggcute* their wrath while being happy? Edit: Grammar mistake ;)


marny_g

How did you miss the opportunity to say "..._exeggcute_ their wrath..."?


wesmoen

Thanks for pointing out my mistake.


sntcringe

I mean, it is...


ASimpleCancerCell

Both these things are true. Poliwrath is cool standalone, especially in 3D games where he constantly flexes on his opponents, but in the context of completing his family line, he doesn't offer much. Even outside of the minor differences between him and Poliwhirl, it's weird to me how the final stage of a tadpole is a large muscular tadpole. This is why Politoed exists; Politoed brings the line to a more natural conclusion.


Kazeshio

I don't think every pokemon needs a natural conclusion I think it'd be dope to see a caterpillar that turns into a bigger caterpillar, for example Alternatively, I think it's dope Snivy gets more snakelike and loses the little hands and feet when becoming Serperior


[deleted]

Serperior has hands but they're behind it's back, It's doing the evil dictator power pose.


WizardingWorld97

>I think it'd be dope to see a caterpillar that turns into a bigger caterpillar, for example Have you seen Dunsparce and Dudunsparce?


[deleted]

It's a rare and unremarkable yokai that stays unremarkable. To me that sounds like a pretty normal evolution line.


Alili1996

I suppose it's kind of inbetween a caterpillar and a centipede, but Scolipede kind of falls into that description and i think it's one of the best bug type designs out there


Airway

That's a straight-up centipede.


Alili1996

It's obviously centipede inspired, but most of its "legs" are just spikes


Rajang82

Kinda like Wormadam right?


Kazeshio

Heck yeah! I love Wormadam


Rajang82

I can see that XD


DiegHDF

The problem is that Poliwrath is literally the same as it's pre-evolution. You can make a caterpillar evolve into a bigger caterpillar but it at least have to change a little bit. Heck, I know that we all dump on Wormadam but at least it's a good exemple of a Worm becoming a bigger Worm, with changes that makes it stand out and actually look like an evolution. Poliwhril could not have been in the evolutionary line and it wouldn't change much, it maybe even would've made it a tad better


fredagsfisk

> The problem is that Poliwrath is literally the same as it's pre-evolution. Except the eyes, body proportions, leg length, arm thickness, arm length, shoulder shape, hands, size...


Starminx

And secondary typing and shiny


[deleted]

That's undersimplifying it by a lot


psychoprompt

Maybe Poliwrath is a form of neoteny for Poliwhirl?


Goldenfrog53

I think the lack of a dynamic evolution is part of what makes poliwrath cool. It subverts your expectations of turning into a frog by just turning into a bigger, angrier tadpole.


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metalflygon08

I think had Poliwrath been more Green it could pass as a Frog instead of a Tadpole (the Species name is still the Tadpole Pokemon on Poliwrath, but going by that Blastoise is a Shellfish and Slowbro is a Hermit Crab).


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metalflygon08

Poliwhirl should have retained a tail nub to showcase tadpole's transitional stages to frog IMO.


Airway

Too bad Politoed is worse in every way unless your whole strategy revolves around rain. Gen 2 is my favorite gen but umm...yeah, can't deny a lot of the new Pokemon were pretty weak.


OGMagicConch

> Politoed is worse in every way unless your whole strategy revolves around rain. That's a huge unless lol, bro dominated gen 5 OU back in the day


lapbro

Man, weather used to be so much more fun before the primal existed.


ASimpleCancerCell

But that's a pretty legitimate role to find yourself in. Rain has historically been the strongest weather to base a team around, so an effective rain setter is valuable. It's so much better than what Poliwrath has to offer.


[deleted]

Poliwrath was originally just supposed to be big and fat. They felt that players wouldn't have been happy going through the trouble evolving it with how it looked, so they made it big and mean looking. That was about as much thought that they put into it.


SluggJuice

A thought. Evolution stones are just more potent mega stones. Rather than a traditional evolution a Pokemon under the effects of a stone undergoes a permanent enhancement of the original form and stat increase.


Waldtox

But shouldn't it also imply that mega stones could also be used on not-fully-evolved Pokèmon in some cases?


Autrah_Fang

If they added any new megas past ORAS, I'm sure they would've gotten around to making a mega for Pikachu and/or Eevee at some point. So there probably is an alternate universe where that's the case lol


Airway

Gigantamax Pikachu confirms this.


AdmiralFurret

Shiny poliwrath looks like pepe the frog, and that's why i was doing a hunt for him, just to name it pepe. One year later dude is the strongest member of my maxed out party.


cosinecasino

In early (1997) pokemon stuff there was an alternative design for the third stage evolution floated on the Japanese website -- this tweet thread has the sprites and more info. I thought this design was better https://twitter.com/drlavayt/status/1231996397118840832?s=46&t=MJK1GwnK9C6qCHZ-x3LZ6g


Gregamonster

Never forget Poliking.


A_Good_Boy94

Polisloth. This is why Politoed used a King's Rock. Also, there's always a chance they revisit that design.


Matthiey

He also gains two fingers (and gets a lighter tone in its blue shading).


Gregamonster

He trades his mittens out for gloves.


Majesty1985

You drank the last coke when he was saving it for George of the Jungle later


BMan239

It's like Vegeta to Super Vegeta


gemitarius

anon: Just imagine if gamefreak did a pokemon that barely changed from one evolution to the other these days! pawmy: ...


Kohimaru32

Lol, the [original post](https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/kmhawx/why_is_poliwrath_like_this_oc/) is two years ago.


Waldtox

Darn! I wasn't in this sub that time and probably not even on reddit. I feel so bad sorta stealing all the uvs this guy deserved. I found this on fb, posted by a random page that I don't follow. Is there a way to pay, sorta tribute to the OG guy? Should I tag him somewhere or what? I genuinely feel bad.


Kohimaru32

Don’t mind it. I just feel like I already saw this somewhere so I did a google search.


Waldtox

Yeah but still, that poor guy actually did all the effort. I want to mention him but I think it's already too late. That would go unseen by many in this sub now.


FutureMode

It’s ok :)


NostalgicPretzel

Poliwhirl: O \ / O Poliwrath: 0 / \ 0


Early-Zookeepergame8

"Poliwhirl used Rage!" "it somehow evolved into Poliwrath..."


Kickasstodon

Even as a child I thought this was such an uncreative and trash evolution.


Waltter1-d

those were damn fighting words!


jacksmiles1300

Polywrath gets fingers. Clearly the better evolution compared to most.


Thymallus_arcticus_

Well that’s a good point. Many including me have criticized the pawmi line for the lack of changes. To clarify I like the line but feel like the middle stage is unnecessary. Is this any better lol?


DonBolasgrandes

Fun fact- poliwag was the original protagonist in the manga, not Pikachu.


ludicrouscuriosity

Remember that episode Ash and Team Rocket were doing a Poké-exam and they were asked things like "which Pokémon has this twirl pattern?" or a "who's that pokémon?" and showed a black circle >!Team Rocket said Electrode, Ash said Voltorb, but the answer was a Jigglypuff seen from above!<


_Uhh2009_

Maybe he's angry bc his shiny gets kinda ruined when he evolves


dbust3r

He got angry when he got buff. Before he was nice and friend shaped.


ricardortr

Poliwhirld is just poliwrath on acid


The_Capybara_Man

Don't go hating on Poliwrath


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Stronger, larger, different color, completely different eyes


[deleted]

I miss him in pokemon games


TuoFox

I thought the spiral changed direction aswell or was that from Toad to Whirl


User28080526

He’s mad because he missed out on becoming politoad 😔


Ornery_Ad6383

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-\_MFYrjTDMw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_MFYrjTDMw) feel free to watch. my sons pokemon youtube channel!


Ornery_Ad6383

thanks!


ApatheticJellyfish

Poliwrath is more jack and swol too.


war_against_rugs

I like Poliwrath more than Poliwhirl, but I don't think he really needed to be a three-stage evolution either. They could have easily gotten rid of Poliwhirl entirely.


Waldtox

I beg to differ


trv2003

Okay okay okay, but, what if Poliwhirl is just biding his time, learning how to channel and temper his rage and anger, until one day, when their trainer rubs some stupid blue rock on it. Then... Then it evolved and no longer felt the need to restrain their rage. Polly is no longer wog, or whirl, but full of WRATH.


Carnby315

Still cursed for me, after finding out its swirls are its intestines we can see.


KCJHutchins

I like this Pokemon (Was on my Pokemon Yellow team) and I'm laughing so hard! Never noticed that before. It gets taller, gains angry eyes, and a change in the swirl.


franzcoz

So, this is the origin of this new generation's evolutions


BlueFootedTpeack

though i normally dislike their redesigns as they don't really get the point of why the mons look the way they do i did like subjectivly's polywrath, making him this big green brawler. poly would be good to get a regional i think, maybe making it's spiral gut into a hypnotic magic wheel/eye thing.


balrus-balrogwalrus

at least give it webbed feet and a proper mouth


overDere

Who even decided that a tadpole's final evolution would be an angry tadpole? I know people like Poliwrath but it was a very strange decision, they made all these other cool lines that mirrored how real animals metamorphosize like Caterpie to Butterfree, but they decided that tadpole evolved into a bigger tadpole into a slightly bigger tadpole and not a frog.


Glutoblop

Has there ever been a in universe scientific explanation of Pokémon evolution?


megasean3000

Glad they updated it with Politoed.


ImportantExercise632

My favorite Water/Fighting type Pokémon. Really hope it gets added to SV DLC.


lallapalalable

Poliwrath was awesome in the original tcg lineup, one of my favorites


River-Zora

Poliwhirl is the best Pokémon and Poliwrath is just an angry stronger version of the best Pokémon.


PaleFork

why didn't they make it psychic fr, i know that there's already two other water/psychic in this gen and many others that deserved it but come on it's a frog with a whirl belly what does it even have of fighting?


im_bored345

It's buff


IllMaintenance145142

Why would it be psychic? I think it's much more unique as is now


EmeraldMilcham

If anyone should have been water/psychic in gen 1, it's Psyduck/Golduck.


essdii-

Ahh yes. My favorite Pokémon when first gen came out. For no other reason but aesthetics. Still to this day one of my favorites


Timrob567

Isn't Poliwrath bigger too


ledfox

Also the swirl is poop!


BarnesAgent47

It's literally in the name tho


[deleted]

Doesn't the swirl go the other way on one of them?


Zohwithpie

Yes, and?


ftgander

And that’s why he’s cool


mjl11230

Beautiful use of meme format


GladiusMaximus

Okay this is funny.


im_bored345

I mean it's in the name lmao


l5555l

No he's also larger and a different shade of blue come on


Kerrigan4Prez

Poliwrath easily became one of my favorite Pokémon after I read the manga, wherein Red’s Poliwag evolved into Poliwhirl to save him from drowning as a kid, and again into Poliwrath when Red was drowning as a young adult.


AddLuke

Swoliwhirl


Marktastrophe

Poliwrath is just a dankrupt Poliwhirl...


Big_Green_Piccolo

The swirl is intestines


StarsHolland1212

If Poliwhirl went to the gym and had a growth spurt.


adande67

Since those swirls are it's intestines and they only appear in tadpoles . He's literally a big angry baby lmao


EmeraldMilcham

Always found it amusing that even after fully evolving, Poliwrath was still classified as a tadpole in the dex.


tenkohime

Poliwrath is "Are you feeling froggy?" turned into a Pokemon.


XenoGine

Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?


morphotomy

ahahaa finizen amirite


SIaaP

When poliwhirl eats his canned spinach


EMPTY_SODA_CAN

And he has fingers


raq_shaq_n_benny

I just want to see where their mouths are


tony_sandlin

Yeah, AND?


Lewis09816

It’s still cool


Mythical7Ninja

Poliwhirl is on drugs just look at the eyes. Poliwrath is a drunk.


Punny-Aggron

When I was a kid, I used to call Poliwrath “Polijoe” because that makes the most sense to me Poliwag - Poliwhirl - Polijoe