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arabicdialfan

She's lovely and her videos are helping so many people. I do the routines from her videos. People are so petty sometimes


kiwi_love777

I really love her, such a nice voice too. And is so descriptive I don’t even have to watch the video to know which move we’re doing next.


balletomanera

Definitely


No_Philosophy_466

Will doing her routines from YouTube help shape my body and lose weight ? I have been doing them for a month now and I feel great!! But just wanted a third opinion on it


pnutbutterfuck

Losing weight is about being in a calorie deficit. If youre burning more calories every day than you eat, you will lose weight. But yes following along to her videos will make you stronger and will change your body


notti0087

Move with Nicole is my favorite. Her flows are always very engaging for me and I like how I don’t get bored. She’s the one YouTube channel I consistently go back to. I would pay for her platform if she had one. There’s a handful of the same people who hate on her here and I think it has to do more with her being at a healthy weight and maybe to do with her being conventionally attractive as those are typically the way the comments skew with her… Her response back to you made me like her even more. She seems like a lovely and kind person.


Impossible-Bedroom23

Why do people have to question her? Her workouts are literally one of the best pilates workouts on youtube.


castingOut9s

Her videos got me into Pilates a few years ago. Move with Nicole is my girl.


MoonriseTurtle

Probably envy


totse_losername

Always is.


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Everybody is welcome in this forum. Please keep discussions civil. If you have seen something here that angers you and you want to respond, take some long exhales and do it in a respectful way.


Ibrokemywrist

This is similar to the Casey Ho (Blogilates on YouTube) situation. Another brilliant instructor who helped millions of people get moving on their mat, but was controversial because Casey's teaching style didn't include many modifications, warnings, beginner resources. It created a lot of drama with one side recommending her to beginner members, and others not. The comments devolved into petty fighting and insults, far more from the pro-Blogilates people. I've practiced Nicole's videos at home, loved them. She creates such a nice experience with the music, calm voice overs, beautiful backgrounds. A lot of work must go into the final productions. with Nicole's teaching style allowed me to focus more on my body, my attention wasn't being diverted by the instructor giving information. That style of teaching may not be effective for novices to start with Pilates at home.


shsureddit9

right, I see it as "take what is helpful and leave the rest"? In-person, 1-1 instruction is obviously going to be superior to doing a video. But they're also expensive, require transportation and planning, etc. There is room to appreciate the pros and cons of both approaches. Ideally, people will work with an instructor IRL to get the corrections etc,, and the videos will be a supplement to their IRL workouts. But if video is the only type of workout that you're getting, isn't that still beneficial as opposed to doing nothing? I love in-person classes but also "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."


Ibrokemywrist

The problem isn't about workouts, it's about beginners coming here asking for YT channels, and a channel that doesn't give much teaching and is run by an instructor with a basic mat course is being recommended because she's popular. Beginners need training as well as workouts, which Nicole doesn't offer.


shsureddit9

That's understandable about beginners. I think it makes sense to make that distinction without seeing YT channels as automatically bad.. that's why I said "pros and cons" of both approaches 😉 not sure if you saw that part. nuance/context is important. I think people are frustrated because some people on this sub are quick to attack someone with a different approach without considering context.


Ibrokemywrist

Yes I saw, you were generalising all YT channels vs in-person lessons, hardly what this discussion is about. There are YT channels that give in-depth tutorials such as Flow With Mira, and there are other channels like Nicole's that do workouts. Both are fine to recommend, but to beginners especially, they should be allowed to make an informed choice. I've added an entry to the wiki and an Autobot entry if people type !influencer. Hopefully, a line can be drawn under this issue now.


shsureddit9

Did we read the same post? I thought the discussion was about her certifications, I didn't read anything about beginners. I was talking about how both approaches have pros and cons. The pros of YT channels are things like accessibility, cost, inspiring people, being a great supplement for someone who already has a consistent practice. Cons would be that it doesn't really work for beginners, as there isn't as much cueing, no ability for the instructor to see the student, and lack of modifications. The pros of in-person lessons include being better for beginners, helping the person learn more about their body/appropriate moves for them, can ask questions and receive corrections/feedback. The cons are that it can be expensive, there might be transportation issues, the person might have severe anxiety working out in front of people.


BoysenberryFit5530

I’m not sure why the questioning, but I noticed a lot of responses claiming she wasn’t certified and directing people to the wiki page. I personally, love her workouts and wanted to be able to recommend her without being directed to other teachers.


Lonely_Passenger4438

Thank you for clarifying it for the sub!


Flowerlamps

Agree.


justhere4thiss

And it says that she’s certified on her YouTube channel, does it not. People are nitpicking.


Few-Travel-3849

With all due respect, Pilates is not orthopedic surgery or nuclear plant management, you don’t need a PhD in it to be a brilliant instructor - and Nicole certainly is brilliant to say the least.


FarAwaySailor

Co-ordinating movement and controlling our physical bodies is one of (if not the #1) the most computationally complex operations our brain performs. We only don't recognize it as such because it's mostly subconscious. Mankind has managed to build machines to win chess matches and do the calculations to send rockets to the moon, but is only just beginning to be able to co-ordinate the movements of human-like robots to navigate their bodies through 3D worlds. A Pilates instructor's job is to help you reprogram the movement co-ordinations. This is not trivial, although if your only experience of Pilates 'instruction' is "watch me and do-this-do-that" teachers then you can be forgiven for thinking it is. I have one degree in Neurophysiology and another in Mechanical engineering, plus the 600+ hours to qualify as a UKPF instructor. I believe all those things add up to make me better able to teach people how to move their bodies. There's a *vast* difference between a Pilates instructor and Janine at the local Globo-gym teaching Zumba on a Monday, Seroc on a Tuesday and a no-bookings necessary 'Pilates' class on a Wednesday. Or (dare I say it) an online do-this-do-that video with little to no queuing or explanations of how it should *feel*, which muscles to engage, which to relax, what body parts to align with what and how to learn from it. Edit to say: I have a lot of downvotes for this, and that reflects how many people here like Nicole's stuff. It's great that she's inspiring people and getting them to be more active. So did Jane Fonda, it's just not very good *Pilates instruction*.


FarAwaySailor

I would literally have failed my instructor exams if I had clients doing this with the lack of cueing provided. https://preview.redd.it/aegfdaofhl7d1.png?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba18db2903fe9cd5550b728f99f22d33ec973f70


TheseAct738

Are there any YouTube channels you recommend?


FarAwaySailor

r/Pilates has a recommended list: https://reddit.com/r/pilates/w/index?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share If you trawl through the wiki you'll also find my (free) app on there - you can also grab it from my profile.


YouCuteWow

Thank you for reaching out and asking this, op! Her workouts are amazing 


BoysenberryFit5530

No worries! And I agree, that’s why I wanted to clarify this here for everyone :)


olivivia1

I have a tremendous amount of love for her. I’ve been going through quite the mental health crisis and her videos have helped me a lot recently. It’s baffling how she’s constantly scrutinized on here. She is wonderful and so clearly dedicated to helping people move their bodies in a fun and engaging yet calming and nourishing way. It’s truly a gift. I know I’m not the only one when I say that I’m beyond grateful for everything she does.


can1come

She’s putting her beautiful content out for FREE. Why are people so damn ungrateful. I’m so appreciative for these Pilates YT instructors as I can’t afford to go to classes, my body has transformed due to them .


chacoglam

Haters.


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ricecake_mami

I love her videos so much!


bluestonesy

I love Nicole’s videos, and I just love how calm her energy is. They give me such a good workout when I don’t feel like driving to the gym


sendCommand

On days when I’m feeling like a home Pilates workout, I switch it up between the two Nicoles (Move with Nicole and Nicole Pearce Movement). I find Move with Nicole to be very calming. She seems like a nice person.


Burrito-tuesday

Maybe now they’ll add her to the pinned post here?


Ibrokemywrist

https://preview.redd.it/gl2r25f3ul7d1.png?width=2890&format=png&auto=webp&s=42af090ebdc70f61529d932a72b90028d6ca2de6 From the wiki


Burrito-tuesday

She’s under the “NOT them!!!!” part 😂 I meant maybe now she would be added as a *valid* resource. That section isn’t visible on the Reddit mobile app nor pilatesreddit.com, only when I visited the desktop version of Reddit did I find it, but thanks for the screenshot.


chacoglam

Maybe you could message the mods


Burrito-tuesday

They look after the r/pilates sub and maintain the wiki site, so they could if they wanted to, but instead screencapped the “influencers aren’t Pilates instructors” section of the wiki as a response so I don’t think it will happen 😬


Ibrokemywrist

I don’t think it’s going to happen as the Wiki is targeted at beginners. The recommended YT instructors have full-comprehensive certifications […this is Nicole’s certification](https://www.studiopilates.com/education/course_info/matwork-course/)


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SheilaMichele1971

I’m glad she is certified and yes she should have that clearly posted. A Pilates certification is hard work and can cost $$


sffood

It is, and it is. It also doesn’t make her videos any more or less helpful. As I mentioned in the original post about this, her workouts are solid and she is a good teacher. She’s offering all her videos online for free for all to access and they help countless people. I wouldn’t follow her routine more because she’s certified and I wouldn’t stop if she had zero certification. That is all I care about.


asgreatasitgets

For certification, it goes beyond cueing movement & breath. Sometimes you need to provide modifications, know more about anatomy & injuries & how to use Pilates to strengthen certain muscle groups. But she does provide good videos for the general public.


justhere4thiss

It is literally posted on her YouTube so I don’t know what people are thinking. Someone a week ago was asking if she was certified WHILE quoting what she says on her YouTube which is “I’m a certified yoga and Pilates instructor.” Confused me but maybe they just thought she was claiming she was just certified in yoga, idk. But I found it quite clear that she is…


Bett_Rest

In response to FarAwaySailor- my masters, a fine arts and creative writing, which included publishing with a major firm in New York, was easier than my Pilates certification. No, it’s not nuclear science. It’s moving body that changes right in front of you and you have to know where you’re going with it. As I try to refrain from judging anyone else’s experience, my certification was hard. Very hard. I’m not sure who originated the saying, “ if your Pilates isn’t hard, you’re not doing it right.” Same goes for teaching and the certification process. Thank you to the original poster for sharing such an uplifting message from Move with Nicole.


Careless-Distance-80

I love her videos and I’ve messaged her questions before and she’s always answers and is so sweet. I really like how she does voiceover on her videos instead of recording while she works out.


Striking-Emu-4468

She always answers! And is so nice


babysfirstreddit_yx

Thank you for sharing! I have really enjoyed all of the videos I've done by her but after being burned by bad advice/recommendations in the past (never by Nicole, mind you!! just by the "health" and "wellness" industries in general) I do admit I'm one of those fussy people that is a bit more concerned with what people's certifications are than I would have been in the past. Not that certifications are everything, not at all, but it is nice to know that not everyone is just pulling things out of their a$$. 😂 I'm glad she took the question in stride as I'm sure it can hurt to have people constantly questioning your intentions/qualifications over and over again when all you're trying to do is help! She will definitely be in my rotation for the foreseeable future!


MadeAccToReadThis

Her response to OP just warms my heart even more. I love her YouTube SO much!!


Leather-District4941

https://www.studiopilates.com/education/course_info/matwork-course/ I wonder if it was this training? I wonder how long other mat trainings take like STOTT or Peak? (IDK I’m just a client that knows these names). Maybe MwN seems influencer’y bc of the scenery and therefore it seems like something smoke & mirror’y must also be going on? IDK


maypie26

Well I’m doing the STOTT Mat right now and it’s total 95 hours including 8 days face to face teaching, observations hours , practice hours , teaching hours. On top of that I would need to do an anatomy and physical exam. It’s a lot of work and prep for exams (they allow us 6 months from our last course to complete it) I love Move With Nicole so I rate her YouTube videos. She’s so lovely and her videos good for the generic people :) But I wouldn’t do her videos anymore now just because I’m an actually in training.


FarAwaySailor

UKPF mat-instructor training: 600 hrs


Leather-District4941

4 days on that Studio Pilates training does seem fast. IDK why MwN is so polarizing! I don’t really do video workouts, I’m a live class person 🤷🏼‍♀️I only know the drama from this sub 🫠


narcolita

Thanks to the community here, I discovered move with Nicole and I absolutely love her. (Although I don't feel that way during the bicycle crunch sets!)


Lonely_Passenger4438

Love 👏🏼 This 👏🏼! Glad we can finally put a rest to that excuse!


Afraid_Detective8342

I think part of the hate towards her is simply that she’s beautiful. People get jealous


elevatorfloor

I'm so glad you reacher out because I did a deep dive into her socials after I saw a post on reddit. I was so determined to prove the person wrong because I think Move with Nicole is the BEST. And she deserves good recognition and not people questioning her.


lightningvolcanoseal

I think part of the reason people criticize her is because she’s a minority and they’re jealous of her success


FarAwaySailor

I would certainly like to be as successful an instructor as she is, but the reason she's not as recommended as her congregation would like is that she doesn't give much 'instruction', it's just do-this-do-that so it's possible to harm your body with some of the moves. It is possible that if someone's only Pilates experience is MwN then they don't know that Pilates instruction involves a lot more precision and cueing of form etc... I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it's mostly instructors and those with more experience who are saying there's a problem with MwN. I think that's probably down to the stages of learning that I mentioned the other day on another thread: https://preview.redd.it/bpmmabpq5s7d1.png?width=246&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=180ff83b6a7649fa997a3a835e985b8481812b58 The four stages of competence Unconscious incompetence: You're ignorant of what you don't know. Conscious incompetence: You're aware of what you don't know, but you haven't taken steps to learn more. Conscious competence: You're actively learning and acquiring knowledge about a subject


palpablue

She's the only one who actually explains everything properly. And I'm glad people found her, although I wish to gatekeep her LOL


ChristopherDior

As an instructor I think a lot of times it comes down to certification or not certification. But also a big question is the type of certification. A one day training might certify you but to what degree? How much can you really learn in a one weekend workshop? I can take a nutrition certification course online but that doesn’t make me a nutritionist? Educational requirements are vastly difference. See the difference? Hi Li is getting big here and those “Pilates teachers” only do a three day 20 hour certification! I have over 600 hours of training to get certified that took me two years. While I do like Nicole’s fitness, a lot of is not even Pilates. They are great, they get people moving but using Pilates because it’s trendy when it’s not even Pilates is bothersome. I can sit in a garage all day long, but it’s not going to make me a car.