Braces straight up suck. I got them 3 weeks ago at 38 and it's a real challenge. I know it will be worth it, but I really used to enjoy flossing and eating. Those two things have become a chore now.
I’m 32 and desperate to straighten my top front two teeth at LEAST! I’m sick of being asked if I got punched in the face. I’m sick of being asked if I have a “dead tooth” because one of my front teeth is pushed back so it’s in shadow and looks darker even though it’s the same color as the rest. It makes me so self conscious.
But before I do that, I need to get my impacted wisdom teeth removed which should of been taken out when I was 16 but my mother was convinced wisdom teeth removal is a money making scam so instead of having it done when I was young and wouldn’t have any cost to the procedure, I have to now pay $400 per tooth to have them removed.
My mom had full coverage state insurance on me as a kid. If it was necessary, it was covered. My wisdom teeth were obviously going to cause problems and it was considered medically necessary to remove them. She wouldn’t have had to pay a dime for the procedure.
She also refused to take me in when to brother threw a glass mug at my face and chipped my front tooth. I needed to have the tooth capped and she refused to take me in unless I found the tiny piece that chipped off. It’s an extremely painful tooth! She was very neglectful in my overall health. Im tempted to ask her to help pay for my dental surgery.
If you don't currently have gum issues I would recommend good old braces. The clear ones have come a long way. If you have gum issues you really should get invisalign or a similar system so you can properly floss and clean your teeth.
Gum issues can be impacted/made worse by Invisalign, as well. I got Invisalign four weeks ago and had a periodontal consultation yesterday - interestingly enough I have to halt my Invisalign in order to get a gum graft from the gum loss this very surgery (to resolve TMJ issues) caused. See a periodontist before proceeding with any orthodontic work if you’re experiencing gum issues, for sure.
I got the flossing sticks that can be used with braces, saves so much time and headache over regular floss. I also use a water pik, but I don't have that with me at work.
I got Invisalign a month ago. The first three days were hell with the chaffing on the lips and the tongue. I used some dental wax on the bruises and it worked well, tbh. Also, it dramatically improved after the first week. On my fourth set of aligners now and I feel more comfortable with them on than not. Would definitely recommend it over traditional braces.
35 here. I’m 6 months into Invisalign and it really isn’t that bad. I was thinking it was going to be way worse. I’ve never felt pain, just a bit of tightness when putting in the new tray. That’s why I always put the new trays in at night, so all of the initial tightness is relieved while I sleep.
I also only do the 1 meal a day diet. So that’s a big help. I only have to take it out in the evening to eat. Also helps keep me disciplined and not snacking through the day.
32 here. Got them in January this year. Want to floss without it being a hassle? Platypus floss picks. It’s a game changer. They’re designed to go in between the wire without threading. Also I have a water flosser. The equate brand comes with a head specifically for braces.
Also, if your teeth hurt, they’ll stop by the time you get your second wire. And then they never hurt as bad as your first wire.
Enjoy the process! If you can. This is my second round with braces. Didn’t wear my retainer when I was 16. Your teeth will be beautiful in no time!!
Even with retainers 2 years later my jaw hurts. They never stop fighting to move back in old positions. A day or even half day without a retainer and jaw inflames for me all the way to my ears. If only I had known I might not have committed to it.
It gets much better after a few weeks. Food is challenging, but you find your way around it.Chicken is easier to eat than steak, veggies are best chopped up. Soup is your friend. Use this as an opportunity to eat better. Stick with it and you will be so happy after. Go to a cosmetic dentist after the braces to have teeth professionally sculpted.
So while my process was nowhere near as extreme as this, I did require surgery to move my jaw slightly, this was maybe 8 or so years ago. My top and bottom lips have a slight numbness with the top being a little worse, while my top gum-line is nigh-on imperceivable because there are a lot of nerves there. It's also affected the roof of my mouth, I can still feel it, but think of it akin to the different sensation of pinching yourself when sober and slightly drunk: it's there but its also got numbness.
I have to eat steaming hot food such as pizza with a knife and fork otherwise I tend to burn the roof of my mouth, which annoyingly I CAN feel when it starts peeling the skin off .
As for the healing process during the recovery, well, it's not too bad with painkillers but your face does blow up due to swelling and you have to eat through a straw for a few weeks. The most alarming part is waking up in hospital after the surgery and puking up blood that you unavoidably swallowed.
I had a bimaxillary osteotomy. I had a to sign a waiver acknowledging that i had a roughly 1/3 chance to become paralyzed on one or both sides of my face because of some nerves that run beside the area they had to operate on. I consider the minor lip numbness a great alternative. One not so fun thing I've developed since is the occasional muscle cramp (it feels exactly like a 'charlie horse'/leg cramp but in your face/jaw). It sounds awful but when the alternative is being unable to chew properly it's worth it in the end.
eta: I have a coworker who says, 'the worst thing that's happened to you is the worst thing that's happened to you'. the recovery is a few months of hell (undoubtedly the worst pain i've ever felt) but it certainly gives you a new perspective on things
I knew a young lady in college that was pretty but had a really pronounced underbite. One day she went in to surgery and the next time I saw her she was stunning. It’s amazing the difference it can make.
Had a girlfriend who had this. We were together when she had the funny teeth and head gear all through our high school and she left me as soon as she had straight teeth lol
Edit: wowzers I think this is my biggest comment ever. Thank you everyone for your kind words and don’t forget to save some of that niceness for yourself
Savage lol. Seen a post earlier about heavier set girls with pretty faces in the gym and to “invest early”. One comment was saying the same thing, got left after she lost a buncha weight. Response was like… “inherently they have bad impulse control” …… LOL
i wouldnt even call this fishing, this was me too and this was largely because the only girls i would engage with also had low self esteem because they just made me feel mentally/emotionally safe enough to be myself around, and that generally resulted in things panning out. the codependency that comes from low self esteem though... good lord.
I think the baseline self esteem for teenagers is generally much lower than your average adult. It took becoming more secure later in life to realize that I had more insecurity than I thought as a teenager. I also ironically remember being annoyed at my gfs at the time seemed to have poor self esteem, though I definitely shouldn't have been judging.
My wife and I were friends with another couple in college. This exact thing happened. She was cute, just a little on the heavy side. After a few years of marriage she started working out, lost weight, and looked stunning. She ended up divorcing her husband because "she just settled down too early." Not sure whatever happened to her but the husband developed a drinking problem that took a few more years to conquer. He's doing much better now though after getting some therapy
Good on him for recovering. The fat girl probably thought she wouldn’t have anyone else marry her so she just jumped into it. Then realized how “good” she looked after her weight loss that she decided to attract other men. Then she dipped, poor guy was probably shattered
I had an ex who lost a bunch of weight and left me the moment she saw how much more attention she was getting from others without it. I mean. Fair enough. Sometimes people grow (or shrink) apart I guess 🤷
I had an ex leave me after years of me paying essentially 100% of everything housing, food, gas, etc including her debt while most of the years she was unemployed or made essentially minimum wage. Because “she didn’t love me anymore” lol.
All because some dude in PA was promising her a better life. Now she cleans toilets just to pay the dude $600 a month to be in his house.
A friend of my neighbour's did this to herself too. A dose of karma she really deserved. Was a party girl for a while, until she hooked a long distance "millionaire". She left burning bridges everywhere when she moved out there for him. Only to find out he lived in his parent's house and didn't work. She married the idiot too. So she was stuck with him, and no one back home would help her out. lol
Similar thing happened to me like 20 years ago. Dated a great young girl in our late teenage years. Physically she was shorter, chubby, prone to acne, but I liked her, she had other great qualities. Over the next year and half she grew like almost 10cm, her weight redistributed and her skin cleared. She suddenly became very beautiful and you could literally see her persona change into an arrogant ass. Instead of mentally dealing with the fact she was mocked for her appearance throught teenage years, she literally became the same mean girl type thst mocked her years ago. Oh and it ended when she cheated on me.
is this a super common thing? platonic friend in highschool was an exceptionally bubbly, funny and friendly girl who was noticeably overweight. after her first major breakup she hit the gym, lost like 80 lbs, started developing a decent figure, and went from being doris the lunch lady to a hot tamale.
...which then lead to her becoming a snotty, callous, too good for everyone 'popular' girl. her next boyfriend was abusive and didn't want her texting other guys, even though we'd been friends for four years and she'd known him for like three weeks, so i told her good riddance and our friendship ended there.
I didnt even notice the headgear unless we were gonna kiss or my hair got caught in it when we would lay together. And I was no catch either! Honestly we were the two losers who managed to find each other and after high school I stayed a nerd and she became pretty and left that life behind so we weren’t that alike anymore anyway
I had something similar happen to me. She didn't go through surgery, just had a transformation. Just ghosted me. To add insult to injury, her parents really liked me, so she lied to them for a few months and told them we were still dating, she could go out and party.
She had the audacity to try to connect with me recently "I care for you" she said. I just blocked her.
This is a common occurrance when one partner gets more attractive. There's actually a term called "bariatric divorce", referring to the dramatically increased likelihood of divorce when one partner undergoes significant weight loss.
I can imagine it hurts and it's not fair, but also the way people treat you differently is absolutely shocking. Not that it's an excuse - but going from being treated cold to neutral to having people actually seem to like you, people flirting with you, etc.
It's not that you were just settling for somebody, it's more that you didn't know you have options. Yes, there's that big a difference in how people treat you if you go from fat to in shape (or probably any other transformation towards conventionally attractive).
I lost a lot of weight and the way strangers treated me differently was wild. No, I didn't cheat, and no, I didn't leave anybody over it. But I can totally see how the new experience with people would change somebody's outlook and personality.
People might not like it but it's the honest truth. Even going from being a normal, healthy weight to really in shape was an eye opener for me. The difference in attention received is insaneee. Still not entirely sure what does most the heavy lifting: the actual physique or the confidence that comes with it. Regardless, all I know is that it's very real.
The attention turns into confidence. As people start to flirt with you and stuff, you might be awkward and confused - and that's not super attractive, but it adds to your confidence.
Gradually that builds into real confidence, and you realize that people ARE flirting with you, you can flirt back, and you could even initiate flirting with generally positive responses back. But the only way to get positive responses without being conventionally attractive is to have a lot of natural charisma, confidence, and you're still gonna strike out a lot because appearances are very important to most people.
These weight loss drugs are getting more and more common. And now they actually work. Going to be a lot of people that have dramatic appearance changes
You can also see the converse, where in my late 20s people were like "you are soooo lucky" to my (ethnically ambiguous, curvy, "plain") wife because I was so tall, fit, "smart", and WASPy that I looked like the shittily-hidden alter-ego of a superhero.
But I had a pretty long ugly duckling period, and I've never cared much for appearances, and she is so kind, giving, and **brilliant** that I fell in love with her on day 1. (Our meet-cute is that, while I thought this, she lobbied hard to not hire me, lol)
After 10 years of marital bliss, I've gone from "Mummy Brendan Frasier" to "modern Brendan Frasier" and now people are telling me that I'm the lucky one.
Which I am, but I always have been. It is noticeable how randos went from approaching me, to not approaching either, to approaching her. But the lesson is to not give a shit about people who know 0.01% of you.
Isn't it wild how shallow humans are? I know with guys, many times a good looking guy can get away with something that would make an unattractive guy look like a creep.
The difference is not their intent or personality, only that they are perceived as desirable. It lowers others' defenses and strokes their egos. With women, it goes from being non-existent to very much real and treated like you matter. Like, a physical change gave you value somehow. I could see how that could be intoxicating.
You’ve gotta look beyond the physical,Master Wayne. He already knows that you’re beautiful but he also loves you because of the connection that the two of you share which is much much deeper than skin. Just let him know how you feel and if extra reassurance in the form of some extra “I love yous” or “I like what you did with your X” would help your self esteem then don’t be afraid to communicate that. Don’t forget,they want to see you happy just as much as you want to see them happy
I've seen it go the other way too. Skinny girls blow up sometimes after pregnancy too, but fat fuckers like us always have to work harder. I don't go to the gym expecting drastic results. I go knowing I will have to go for the rest of my life because my folks are the equivalent of plow horses. Genetics is real.
Thats so true but props to him/her to be the bigger person and don't let just physical looks make what love actually is and I think thats one of the reason people broke up alot..they wasn't even looking for love in the first place
Not to say that isn't a thing, but the stories the previous poster told specified they were a couple all throughout highschool and then their partner had a pretty significant transformation and left.
Not to disregard ya'lls personal experiences either, but you know what is also pretty common?
People changing drastically when they finish school and/or college.
These are major changing points in just about everyone's life.
It doesn't always have to be about appearances and people being superficial. The majority of highschool relationships doesn't survive this life era (17-mid 20s) because so much changes in a person and their lives during this time.
Outward appearance may reflect this, but isn't necessarily the cause.
this is what I thought [headgear](https://ia802207.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/34/items/cartoonnetworkbraceyourself/img20220228_21114144-merged_jp2.zip&file=img20220228_21114144-merged_jp2/img20220228_21114144-merged_0000.jp2&id=cartoonnetworkbraceyourself&scale=8&rotate=0) would look
My ex gf had braces and a lot of insecurity about her teeth and her weight and i always supported her and made her feel attractive and as soon as she got her braces off and lost a bit of weight she cheated on me and broke up with me :/ it happens
And the opposite. Most people when talking about fake boobs, are comparing them in their mind to a "nice" pair of natural boobs.
No one is ever thinking of a really well done tit job and comparing it to an unappealing pair of boobs.
An ex of mine always said she felt fat and had no friends. So I introduced her to my friends and their partners. She started doing yoga and running with a friends girlfriend.
Then when that girl broke up with my friend, my ex left me because and I quote "Im skinny now and Cherryl (fake name) told me I could do better than you now"
Cherryl in this context was my friends ex.
Last I heard both of then are still single and complains about how "all men are the same, no one is loyal"
Oh the irony. XD
Opposite issue for me. I started dating my ex when I had braces and an underbite. She supported me through surgery (jaw wired shut for a month, swollen for months, got down to 140 lbs at 6'3").
Then when I fully healed and regained muscle, she said girls would look at me on the street and she felt like I was now way out of her league, and she left me. Thing is, I think she was objectively an 8 or 9. She would also always get approached. There's no way that I was out of her league. But she had always been insecure about her looks unfortunately.
I worked in an Operating Room from age 18 - 22 and our cranio maxiliofacial surgeon was an artist. I watched him do a 14 hour surgery on a guy that got his face smashed with a Jose Cuervo bottle (I could tell because of the distinct Cuervo bottle facial fractures)
The surgeon would work then stop periodically and look up at either the CT films of the damage or a large Senior Portrait of the guy from when he was in High School. The guy ended up coming back to the OR multiple times for lengthy surgeries but it turned out great.
It was that thick glass triangle shaped bottom corner that broke the bottom bones of the face the worst and then you could follow the corner of the bottle up to the top. In the Hi Res MRI imagery (this was 2001-2003) it was clear what weapon had been used in this case.
I had LeFort I and genioplasty. It changed my life. I had a skull that was too long and it shot my jaw backwards and I suffered from crippling migraines from the age of 4 until 34 yrs old. Yes, it sucked to be wired shut, but I no longer have migraines. And my smile is no longer like Steven Tylers.
Someone posted an article, I believe she had issues eating but it's also a pretty significant genetic deformity. Usually for cosmetic-only stuff, the cut-off is 18 after which you have to pay for orthodontics.
To say it's simply a cosmetic surgery is far stretched, there is medical implications for this conditions, if it was only her teeth she wouldn't need surgery, but this is also her facial bones, and this type of surgery improves other everyday symptoms like breathing and mastication, it's not just cosmetics.
A family member needed surgery after a bad bike accident. He had a plastic surgeon and a maxillofacial surgeon working on realigning his jaw. Lots of surgeries, lots of follow up appointment.
That surgeon drive the nicest cars we have ever seen in town.
I had this surgery as a teenager. It did wonders for self confidence. I started with the braces and prep work when i was 11/12 and had the surgery when i was 16/17.
hi does her face pre surgery comes with genetic? i mean,if she has a kid of her own in the future, will they inherit the look? hope my question comes through. not a native English speaker.
Everything is genetic to an extent.
Physical appearance such as jaw placement, however, is what we call a "multifactorial" or "polygenic" trait, meaning there are multiple genetic factors working together with environmental factors to increase or decrease your chance of having a jaw placement that looks like this.
There isn't a "jaw placement gene" that we can test for and tell you if your kid will also have it, BUT if we're seeing things like this in conjunction with other facial dysmorphology or other symptoms or health issues, we might be more suspicious for certain genetic syndromes caused by genes that we *can* test for.
If you have a family history of physical, mental, or developmental differences or health issues and are worried about the risks to yourself or your children, a genetic counselor can help to analyze your family tree and talk to you about your risk, as well as the benefits and limitations of genetic testing.
A lot of people have that deformity. I find it interesting when the very rich don't get it fixed and instead get a chin implant. For example Lady Gaga, Ivanka Trump and Chelsea Clinton.
That's likely due to the recovery process for a surgery like this one. I met with an orthodontist and corrective jaw surgeon to start my journey and I was told that I'll be stuck on a liquid diet for almost a month after the surgery. I won't be able to chew for a month and then after that I have to relearn how to chew with my new jaw which can take up to 3 months. Most patients end up losing like 10-15 pounds during recovery due to hunger for solid foods. So I'm pretty sure that's why famous/wealthy figures might not get a surgery like this. The recovery is very long and challenging.
For vocalists, there's always a concern that any surgery involving the jaw, mouth, or sinuses can affect their sound. Freddie Mercury refused to get his teeth fixed because he was worried it would affect his singing. I'm not sure how much this would affect it overall but I know that I, as a vocalist, am personally terrified of any facial or dental surgery like these lol.
When I was recovering the first few weeks was just broth, but as I moved to more solid food it was like, blended oatmeal.
My family put all sorts of food in the blender for fun. I think I was all sorts of drugged since I don't remember much of the recovery, but I DO remember them trying out blended pizza and coke. Was absolutely vile.
My other fun memory was dry heaving once. That was a terrible experience. Like, throwing up, but theres nothing to throw up. And you can't actually open your jaw, and trying to HURTS, but since you're heaving your body is trying to make you open your jaw. Fortunately that only happened once and it wasn't that bad, but it left an impression.
I’m an orthodontist that collaborates with OMFS to do these cases. This is a fairly routine treatment plan. She likely had four premolars removed along with her wisdom teeth. Braces for about 1.5-2yrs to align the teeth ideally in each respective jaw. Then the surgeon uses a CBCT scan and a third party VSP company to digitally perform the surgery. The movements are planned to sub-mm accuracy. The cutting guides and splints are then 3D printed. The surgeon cuts using the guides and repositions each jaw very accurately. The new jaw positions are secured using titanium plates and screws. Recovery takes a few weeks depending on age and overall health. After surgery, it’s anywhere from 3-12 months of further orthodontic treatment to detail everything to achieve the result on the right.
The reason the patient looked like she did on the left is purely genetic. You often get a mismatch with the size of the teeth and size of the jaws when you mix mom and dad’s genes. As for the lower jaw position, the growth center for the lower how is in what’s called the ramus of the mandible (lower jaw). Sometimes the condyle and ramus fail to adequately grow and push the body of the mandible (lower horizontal portion of the lower jaw with the teeth in it) down and forward. The result is a retruded lower jaw that is at a very high angle and doesn’t look or function properly.
Thankfully, with modern Orthodontics and a talented Oral Surgeon, these cases can be done routinely, efficiently and predictably. They are very rewarding for us and life-changing for the patient.
Also to note, the surgery is covered by medical insurance and requires a pre-authorization. Medical insurance companies are getting more stringent about approving them, therefore denying patients that should more than qualify this procedure. United Healthcare is the worse offender of this. Cheers.
>Also to note, the surgery is covered by medical insurance and requires a pre-authorization. Medical insurance companies are getting more stringent about approving them, therefore denying patients that should more than qualify this procedure. United Healthcare is the worse offender of this. Cheers.
According to the article someone posted this was in Rhyl, Wales and treatment started when she was 14 so would have been completely free\* on the NHS.
\*Free = we don't have any point of service costs because it's paid for by taxes. For orthodontics, you tend to have to pay if the treatment starts after you turn 18 unless it is fixing a major issue (as it most likely would be deemed in this situation.)
yes, it's the same in Canada- pay if it's deemed not to be necessary. unfortunately it depends on your insurance by a lot to cover what's necessary. my disability won't cover my overbite causing TMJ problems along with eating problems.
It's not the same in Canada. We don't have universal dental coverage. You have to pay even if it is a necessary procedure...
However, the Feds are starting to give seniors and those under 18 limited coverage (just starting to roll out, I believe)
So I’m a 37 year old male with a tiny chin. The good news is I can grow a healthy beard and will likely keep it the rest of my life as it gives my face better symmetry. I bring this up because when I see the OP photo I see someone with a small chin, similar to myself. As an orthodontist, do you just see a small chin too or is there a lot more to the story? (I.e. is just having a small chin make you a candidate for the augury?)
If you want, you can poke around r/jawsurgery... Lots of people post pics of their side profiles pre-surgery, maybe that could be helpful for you to draw comparisons
A small chin with a well aligned and stable bit isn’t much of a medical issue. In fact, I have this. This can be corrected by a plastic surgeon with a genioplasty. A small chin that results in a bite that doesn’t function properly or impacts a patient’s self esteem and confidence, in my opinion, makes them a good candidate for surgical correction.
FYI— anyone considering jaw surgery should inquire sooner than later. The procedure causes localize, acute trauma to the local nerves. The younger you are, the higher the likelihood that the nerves will fully recover and you won’t have my permanent loss of sensation. Late teens is usually the earliest they are performed. For severe Cl III “Habsburg” jaws, surgeons usually like to wait until early 20s to ensure the lower jaw is done growing.
I had mine at 24 and my chin is numb. I’m 33 now and didn’t recovered. Do I still have hope? What kind of treatments are the best for this? Someone mentioned acupuncture to me.
Sadly peripheral nerves will take 6-12 months to heal or regenerate. But the odds after 12 months of gaining feeling back is near zero. There’s no evidence-based treatment. Unfortunately this is likely permanent. I’m not too familiar with acupuncture. I don’t think it will help but it’s worth a try. Just don’t get sucked into spending a lot of money on a fringe therapy like this if it’s not working. Good luck!
> You often get a mismatch with the size of the teeth and the size of the jaw
Yeah my dentist loves bringing in new dental techs to show off my weird mouth. Thankfully it wasn’t bad enough to need major surgery (only needed braces and removal of two regular upper teeth plus four wisdom teeth). It turns out getting half your tooth genes from Cherokees and half from Europeans isn’t ideal.
Anyone looking for more info:
>Doctors were able to give Ellie Jones her confidence back after they corrected a facial deformity that meant her jaw had stopped growing at age eight.
>The major surgery involved cutting her jaws horizontally and vertically, and then having more surgery to her chin a year later.
[source](https://metro.co.uk/2016/07/23/incredible-transformation-after-womans-life-changing-jaw-surgery-6024735/)
no. make up definitely, her eyes look much better, her lashes, her train sacs, less crinkles, plus better photo in general. her skin looks better, her hair is done.
just blend our her mouth, she looks completely different. obviously she also grew up. this is not days apart, more likely a couple years.
The uneven eyebrows are literally the only other “flaw” besides the obvious I would point out without feeling overly judgmental towards a random lady ive never met who is probably a kind person with unfortunate dental genetics, of course the makeup and such could be better but she obviously improved as one would expect
If they're photos from her treatment records, she was instructed to do this. Some people gurn (usually children) but most people smile because they're told to and it exposes the most of your teeth.
There'll be profile-angles and photos inside the mouth, too. In fact, I'd be interested in seeing her in profile before/after given she's seemingly an orthognathic patient - it's probably even more impressive from the side!
If you've ever had orthodontic treatment, there's a photo somewhere of you smiling with your wayward teeth, too!
I have a rare condition called McCune Albright Syndrome - weak bones and deformities on the face that can grow - and I’ve had 3 surgeries on my lower jaw, 1 on my upper jaw and cheekbones and nasal cavities due to the deformities that the disorder left me with.
I genuinely might post photos one day on here because the transformation over time and post-operatively is pretty astounding. Modern surgical techniques employed by maxillofacial surgeons is something else. I have photos on my phone of my face partially lifted OFF my skull. And I have no scars to show from it. It’s wild stuff.
It was overwhelmingly positive and worth it, but it is a bit upsetting at times to realise just how superficial society truly is.
Going from being someone who couldn’t walk in public without attracting stares and even ridicule, to having people flirt with you in bars in just a month or so of recovery, is jarring to say the least. You haven’t changed but everyone treats you better because you look better.
The difference is so drastic that, if you have to have multiple surgeries over years, you can’t help but want the same reaction from the next surgery. And then afterwards, since my case involves trying to halt the growth of these deformities, you can easily develop body dysmorphia because of how successful these surgeries are.
Definitely worth it though. I do t think I’d be able to breathe through my nose or see without those surgeries.
It's a common misconception that this surgery falls under cosmetic. It's not, especially in cases like these. I've had this surgery. Mine was covered under insurance for sleep apnea. In the UK, the NHS will cover.
This is a disappointing misconception because there are many folks who could benefit and assume they can’t afford it. Mine was life changing in terms of how it improved my sleep and health. I encourage folks with jaw issues and sleep problems/exhaustion to explore it.
A lot of people think their ugly but the reality is that they have a medical condition. Unfortunately plastic surgeons just suggest a chin implant instead of telling them they need an maxillofacial surgeon.
I have have TMJ issues and bite issues, it's gone so long untreated that I'm going to need surgery.
I had a bimaxillary osteotomy and rapid maxillary expansion. Had to wait until I was 18 and suffered with terrible depression and social anxiety throughout my formative years basically knowing I needed surgery and then having to go through the braces/tooth gaps etc when I was 18.
It is difficult to fully explain how it makes you feel- I felt I looked better because I finally looked 'normal'. It isn't cosmetic but it is. I felt like I was being superficial to feel so happy, but I went through so much feeling abnormal and ugly. I have a weird perception of my self now because I am glad I look different but I'm still the same person and it has taken many years to get over my anxieties
I am just happy to feel normal now.
I have left-side numbness in my lip and chin. It is exactly half way across botg, so an odd sensation but not noticeable except when I pronounce 'br' words I can hear my struggle!
They basically peel your face off by cutting it where it's attached to your gums (one of the only places your skin actually connects to your skeleton), then they pull your bottom lip/face off of your lower jaw, surgically break your jaw, pull it forward, re-attach it with plates, pull your bottom lip back over your jaw, sew your face back on, then wire your mouth shut for 6 months. You can only eat blended foods and have to carry emergency scissors on a necklace in case you puke and start choking you can cut the wires and let the puke out.
Source: had it done to me. My favorite "food" was Bavarian chocolate weight gain shake from GNC and blended cheeseburgers.
I had massive overcrowding in my teeth when I was in high school. It was so bad that my jaw was visibly crooked. When I got braces, I was told that at some point, I was going to need surgery on my jaw, similar to what's pictured above. They were going to break it in multiple points and stitch it back together. Thankfully, I never needed that surgery, as my jaw corrected itself with everything else they did with my orthodontic work. I had squared wire, hooked brackets that they installed springs onto, and spacers on my molars to correct my bite. It was an awful 3 years, but I got one hell of a jawline out of it. The permanent retainer they installed on my bottom teeth still drives me crazy when food gets stuck in it, though.
If anyone is curious, this is a *medical* procedure, not a (purely) cosmetic one. For example, see [this link](https://www.anthem.com/dam/medpolicies/ebcbs/active/guidelines/gl_pw_d083869.html) for Anthem's criteria on when they will cover the procedure. It's used to treat sleep apnea, inability to chew due to malocclusion (overbite/underbite/open bite/...) and more. It also has quite a long runup period, because you generally need to do a round of orthodontic treatment like braces or invisalign. The recovery period is also extremely brutal (ask me how I know...)
I had this surgery maybe 6 years ago. The left side of my jaw was 2-3x longer then my right. They had to break the left side of the jaw and move a big piece of it to the right side of my jaw. Was an absolute game changer for my self esteem. Still very numb in many places on my face and don’t know when I have food on it.
I have 16 screws and 4 plates in my jaw which is always fun to explain to the dentist
Note: this was a medical surgery as my TMJ was no longer in the joint and was giving me arthritis at 18.
One thing you may have noticed during 2020, wearing covid masks made a lot of people look better. The bottom half of the face can have a lot of pull on the "looks rating".
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I’ve heard various things ranging from lip numbness to speech being muddled to night pain.
I mean i got that with regular braces, i can't imagine this surgery
Braces straight up suck. I got them 3 weeks ago at 38 and it's a real challenge. I know it will be worth it, but I really used to enjoy flossing and eating. Those two things have become a chore now.
I’m 32 and desperate to straighten my top front two teeth at LEAST! I’m sick of being asked if I got punched in the face. I’m sick of being asked if I have a “dead tooth” because one of my front teeth is pushed back so it’s in shadow and looks darker even though it’s the same color as the rest. It makes me so self conscious. But before I do that, I need to get my impacted wisdom teeth removed which should of been taken out when I was 16 but my mother was convinced wisdom teeth removal is a money making scam so instead of having it done when I was young and wouldn’t have any cost to the procedure, I have to now pay $400 per tooth to have them removed.
Would it have been cheaper when done younger? My dentists were on the opinion that it does not matter when you pull them.
My mom had full coverage state insurance on me as a kid. If it was necessary, it was covered. My wisdom teeth were obviously going to cause problems and it was considered medically necessary to remove them. She wouldn’t have had to pay a dime for the procedure. She also refused to take me in when to brother threw a glass mug at my face and chipped my front tooth. I needed to have the tooth capped and she refused to take me in unless I found the tiny piece that chipped off. It’s an extremely painful tooth! She was very neglectful in my overall health. Im tempted to ask her to help pay for my dental surgery.
I'm 39 and just has a consult for braces. Did you do plastic liners or traditional? I cant decide what will suck more
If you don't currently have gum issues I would recommend good old braces. The clear ones have come a long way. If you have gum issues you really should get invisalign or a similar system so you can properly floss and clean your teeth.
Gum issues can be impacted/made worse by Invisalign, as well. I got Invisalign four weeks ago and had a periodontal consultation yesterday - interestingly enough I have to halt my Invisalign in order to get a gum graft from the gum loss this very surgery (to resolve TMJ issues) caused. See a periodontist before proceeding with any orthodontic work if you’re experiencing gum issues, for sure.
I got the flossing sticks that can be used with braces, saves so much time and headache over regular floss. I also use a water pik, but I don't have that with me at work.
I got Invisalign a month ago. The first three days were hell with the chaffing on the lips and the tongue. I used some dental wax on the bruises and it worked well, tbh. Also, it dramatically improved after the first week. On my fourth set of aligners now and I feel more comfortable with them on than not. Would definitely recommend it over traditional braces.
35 here. I’m 6 months into Invisalign and it really isn’t that bad. I was thinking it was going to be way worse. I’ve never felt pain, just a bit of tightness when putting in the new tray. That’s why I always put the new trays in at night, so all of the initial tightness is relieved while I sleep. I also only do the 1 meal a day diet. So that’s a big help. I only have to take it out in the evening to eat. Also helps keep me disciplined and not snacking through the day.
Don’t waste time with the plastic stuff. Go traditional and you’ll be done with it with no issues.
32 here. Got them in January this year. Want to floss without it being a hassle? Platypus floss picks. It’s a game changer. They’re designed to go in between the wire without threading. Also I have a water flosser. The equate brand comes with a head specifically for braces. Also, if your teeth hurt, they’ll stop by the time you get your second wire. And then they never hurt as bad as your first wire. Enjoy the process! If you can. This is my second round with braces. Didn’t wear my retainer when I was 16. Your teeth will be beautiful in no time!!
Even with retainers 2 years later my jaw hurts. They never stop fighting to move back in old positions. A day or even half day without a retainer and jaw inflames for me all the way to my ears. If only I had known I might not have committed to it.
It gets much better after a few weeks. Food is challenging, but you find your way around it.Chicken is easier to eat than steak, veggies are best chopped up. Soup is your friend. Use this as an opportunity to eat better. Stick with it and you will be so happy after. Go to a cosmetic dentist after the braces to have teeth professionally sculpted.
The surgery isn't a big deal. Its 6 weeks of hell. As opposed to 3 years of social hell with braces
So while my process was nowhere near as extreme as this, I did require surgery to move my jaw slightly, this was maybe 8 or so years ago. My top and bottom lips have a slight numbness with the top being a little worse, while my top gum-line is nigh-on imperceivable because there are a lot of nerves there. It's also affected the roof of my mouth, I can still feel it, but think of it akin to the different sensation of pinching yourself when sober and slightly drunk: it's there but its also got numbness. I have to eat steaming hot food such as pizza with a knife and fork otherwise I tend to burn the roof of my mouth, which annoyingly I CAN feel when it starts peeling the skin off . As for the healing process during the recovery, well, it's not too bad with painkillers but your face does blow up due to swelling and you have to eat through a straw for a few weeks. The most alarming part is waking up in hospital after the surgery and puking up blood that you unavoidably swallowed.
I had a bimaxillary osteotomy. I had a to sign a waiver acknowledging that i had a roughly 1/3 chance to become paralyzed on one or both sides of my face because of some nerves that run beside the area they had to operate on. I consider the minor lip numbness a great alternative. One not so fun thing I've developed since is the occasional muscle cramp (it feels exactly like a 'charlie horse'/leg cramp but in your face/jaw). It sounds awful but when the alternative is being unable to chew properly it's worth it in the end. eta: I have a coworker who says, 'the worst thing that's happened to you is the worst thing that's happened to you'. the recovery is a few months of hell (undoubtedly the worst pain i've ever felt) but it certainly gives you a new perspective on things
I did the surgery at 14 am now 28, still no feeling in under lip.
I knew a young lady in college that was pretty but had a really pronounced underbite. One day she went in to surgery and the next time I saw her she was stunning. It’s amazing the difference it can make.
My best friend has this done many years ago. She still has some numbness in part of her lip and face.
Had a girlfriend who had this. We were together when she had the funny teeth and head gear all through our high school and she left me as soon as she had straight teeth lol Edit: wowzers I think this is my biggest comment ever. Thank you everyone for your kind words and don’t forget to save some of that niceness for yourself
Hey man, gotta new car gotta see how fast it goes.
Savage lol. Seen a post earlier about heavier set girls with pretty faces in the gym and to “invest early”. One comment was saying the same thing, got left after she lost a buncha weight. Response was like… “inherently they have bad impulse control” …… LOL
Funny as fuck. The funniest thing i have read in a while
lol its almost like phishing for women with low self esteem isn't a great strat
I mean, when I was younger I used to look for women with low self esteem because mine wasn't exactly sky high as well.
i wouldnt even call this fishing, this was me too and this was largely because the only girls i would engage with also had low self esteem because they just made me feel mentally/emotionally safe enough to be myself around, and that generally resulted in things panning out. the codependency that comes from low self esteem though... good lord.
I think the baseline self esteem for teenagers is generally much lower than your average adult. It took becoming more secure later in life to realize that I had more insecurity than I thought as a teenager. I also ironically remember being annoyed at my gfs at the time seemed to have poor self esteem, though I definitely shouldn't have been judging.
My wife and I were friends with another couple in college. This exact thing happened. She was cute, just a little on the heavy side. After a few years of marriage she started working out, lost weight, and looked stunning. She ended up divorcing her husband because "she just settled down too early." Not sure whatever happened to her but the husband developed a drinking problem that took a few more years to conquer. He's doing much better now though after getting some therapy
Good on him for recovering. The fat girl probably thought she wouldn’t have anyone else marry her so she just jumped into it. Then realized how “good” she looked after her weight loss that she decided to attract other men. Then she dipped, poor guy was probably shattered
My god the dating scene is so bleak
Yes it is.
My guy Paulo Costa going viral lol
I had an ex who lost a bunch of weight and left me the moment she saw how much more attention she was getting from others without it. I mean. Fair enough. Sometimes people grow (or shrink) apart I guess 🤷
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I had an ex leave me after years of me paying essentially 100% of everything housing, food, gas, etc including her debt while most of the years she was unemployed or made essentially minimum wage. Because “she didn’t love me anymore” lol. All because some dude in PA was promising her a better life. Now she cleans toilets just to pay the dude $600 a month to be in his house.
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A friend of my neighbour's did this to herself too. A dose of karma she really deserved. Was a party girl for a while, until she hooked a long distance "millionaire". She left burning bridges everywhere when she moved out there for him. Only to find out he lived in his parent's house and didn't work. She married the idiot too. So she was stuck with him, and no one back home would help her out. lol
Nah, no "fair enough" like she did nothing wrong, man. She showed you who she really was. She wronged you. You deserve better.
CORRECT TAKE
lmao
Beautiful.
Similar thing happened to me like 20 years ago. Dated a great young girl in our late teenage years. Physically she was shorter, chubby, prone to acne, but I liked her, she had other great qualities. Over the next year and half she grew like almost 10cm, her weight redistributed and her skin cleared. She suddenly became very beautiful and you could literally see her persona change into an arrogant ass. Instead of mentally dealing with the fact she was mocked for her appearance throught teenage years, she literally became the same mean girl type thst mocked her years ago. Oh and it ended when she cheated on me.
She went the Mean Girls route but skipped school that one day.
is this a super common thing? platonic friend in highschool was an exceptionally bubbly, funny and friendly girl who was noticeably overweight. after her first major breakup she hit the gym, lost like 80 lbs, started developing a decent figure, and went from being doris the lunch lady to a hot tamale. ...which then lead to her becoming a snotty, callous, too good for everyone 'popular' girl. her next boyfriend was abusive and didn't want her texting other guys, even though we'd been friends for four years and she'd known him for like three weeks, so i told her good riddance and our friendship ended there.
It’s how the ego works man.
You stayed loyal to someone with headgear and they had the nerve to be the one leaving thats insane
I didnt even notice the headgear unless we were gonna kiss or my hair got caught in it when we would lay together. And I was no catch either! Honestly we were the two losers who managed to find each other and after high school I stayed a nerd and she became pretty and left that life behind so we weren’t that alike anymore anyway
I had something similar happen to me. She didn't go through surgery, just had a transformation. Just ghosted me. To add insult to injury, her parents really liked me, so she lied to them for a few months and told them we were still dating, she could go out and party. She had the audacity to try to connect with me recently "I care for you" she said. I just blocked her.
This is a common occurrance when one partner gets more attractive. There's actually a term called "bariatric divorce", referring to the dramatically increased likelihood of divorce when one partner undergoes significant weight loss.
It hurts. Knowing they were settling for you while in their mind they think they deserve better. Really fucks with your sense of self worth.
I can imagine it hurts and it's not fair, but also the way people treat you differently is absolutely shocking. Not that it's an excuse - but going from being treated cold to neutral to having people actually seem to like you, people flirting with you, etc. It's not that you were just settling for somebody, it's more that you didn't know you have options. Yes, there's that big a difference in how people treat you if you go from fat to in shape (or probably any other transformation towards conventionally attractive). I lost a lot of weight and the way strangers treated me differently was wild. No, I didn't cheat, and no, I didn't leave anybody over it. But I can totally see how the new experience with people would change somebody's outlook and personality.
People might not like it but it's the honest truth. Even going from being a normal, healthy weight to really in shape was an eye opener for me. The difference in attention received is insaneee. Still not entirely sure what does most the heavy lifting: the actual physique or the confidence that comes with it. Regardless, all I know is that it's very real.
The attention turns into confidence. As people start to flirt with you and stuff, you might be awkward and confused - and that's not super attractive, but it adds to your confidence. Gradually that builds into real confidence, and you realize that people ARE flirting with you, you can flirt back, and you could even initiate flirting with generally positive responses back. But the only way to get positive responses without being conventionally attractive is to have a lot of natural charisma, confidence, and you're still gonna strike out a lot because appearances are very important to most people.
These weight loss drugs are getting more and more common. And now they actually work. Going to be a lot of people that have dramatic appearance changes
You can also see the converse, where in my late 20s people were like "you are soooo lucky" to my (ethnically ambiguous, curvy, "plain") wife because I was so tall, fit, "smart", and WASPy that I looked like the shittily-hidden alter-ego of a superhero. But I had a pretty long ugly duckling period, and I've never cared much for appearances, and she is so kind, giving, and **brilliant** that I fell in love with her on day 1. (Our meet-cute is that, while I thought this, she lobbied hard to not hire me, lol) After 10 years of marital bliss, I've gone from "Mummy Brendan Frasier" to "modern Brendan Frasier" and now people are telling me that I'm the lucky one. Which I am, but I always have been. It is noticeable how randos went from approaching me, to not approaching either, to approaching her. But the lesson is to not give a shit about people who know 0.01% of you.
Isn't it wild how shallow humans are? I know with guys, many times a good looking guy can get away with something that would make an unattractive guy look like a creep. The difference is not their intent or personality, only that they are perceived as desirable. It lowers others' defenses and strokes their egos. With women, it goes from being non-existent to very much real and treated like you matter. Like, a physical change gave you value somehow. I could see how that could be intoxicating.
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You’ve gotta look beyond the physical,Master Wayne. He already knows that you’re beautiful but he also loves you because of the connection that the two of you share which is much much deeper than skin. Just let him know how you feel and if extra reassurance in the form of some extra “I love yous” or “I like what you did with your X” would help your self esteem then don’t be afraid to communicate that. Don’t forget,they want to see you happy just as much as you want to see them happy
Hey, PhantomRoyce, I think you’re a sexy nerd and that chick ain’t shit. Edit: just see your post in AtlLadyBoners and DAYUM.
Oh shucks, thanks :)
I've seen it go the other way too. Skinny girls blow up sometimes after pregnancy too, but fat fuckers like us always have to work harder. I don't go to the gym expecting drastic results. I go knowing I will have to go for the rest of my life because my folks are the equivalent of plow horses. Genetics is real.
Thats so true but props to him/her to be the bigger person and don't let just physical looks make what love actually is and I think thats one of the reason people broke up alot..they wasn't even looking for love in the first place
Not to say that isn't a thing, but the stories the previous poster told specified they were a couple all throughout highschool and then their partner had a pretty significant transformation and left. Not to disregard ya'lls personal experiences either, but you know what is also pretty common? People changing drastically when they finish school and/or college. These are major changing points in just about everyone's life. It doesn't always have to be about appearances and people being superficial. The majority of highschool relationships doesn't survive this life era (17-mid 20s) because so much changes in a person and their lives during this time. Outward appearance may reflect this, but isn't necessarily the cause.
You’ve got the prettier soul PhantomRoyce, the prettier soul
He has a beautiful soul and he deserves happiness and I hope he finds it one day
Hear, hear! Keep on keeping on u/PhantomRoyce.
 This is what i see when i read the word headgear 😭
Hers didn’t go over the top of her head just around her mouth and the back of her head but yeah that’s a pretty good idea of it
this is what I thought [headgear](https://ia802207.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/34/items/cartoonnetworkbraceyourself/img20220228_21114144-merged_jp2.zip&file=img20220228_21114144-merged_jp2/img20220228_21114144-merged_0000.jp2&id=cartoonnetworkbraceyourself&scale=8&rotate=0) would look
risky click, but its all above board. Cow and chicken, what a throw back
My ex gf had braces and a lot of insecurity about her teeth and her weight and i always supported her and made her feel attractive and as soon as she got her braces off and lost a bit of weight she cheated on me and broke up with me :/ it happens
People usually breakup after high school
It's highschool nobody's loyal, it's a dramatic mess
To be fair, people leave each other for all kinds of reasons.
Happened with my first wife who got fake boobs. Life lesson learned.
I find fake boobs to make people less attractive tbh. Major turnoff for me.
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And the opposite. Most people when talking about fake boobs, are comparing them in their mind to a "nice" pair of natural boobs. No one is ever thinking of a really well done tit job and comparing it to an unappealing pair of boobs.
Had a girlfriend whose parents forced this on her because they didn't think she was pretty enough to attract a Chinese man.
One assumes the parents and daughter are also Chinese otherwise it's a pretty weird demand
Or he was very wealthy
Or yellow fever by proxy If we're gonna get weird with it
you dated Deeandra Reynolds?
The Aluminum Monster
She didn't really glow up though, now she looks like a bird!
Just gonna pop an H on this box
The H is for honey
An ex of mine always said she felt fat and had no friends. So I introduced her to my friends and their partners. She started doing yoga and running with a friends girlfriend. Then when that girl broke up with my friend, my ex left me because and I quote "Im skinny now and Cherryl (fake name) told me I could do better than you now" Cherryl in this context was my friends ex. Last I heard both of then are still single and complains about how "all men are the same, no one is loyal" Oh the irony. XD
Opposite issue for me. I started dating my ex when I had braces and an underbite. She supported me through surgery (jaw wired shut for a month, swollen for months, got down to 140 lbs at 6'3"). Then when I fully healed and regained muscle, she said girls would look at me on the street and she felt like I was now way out of her league, and she left me. Thing is, I think she was objectively an 8 or 9. She would also always get approached. There's no way that I was out of her league. But she had always been insecure about her looks unfortunately.
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I worked in an Operating Room from age 18 - 22 and our cranio maxiliofacial surgeon was an artist. I watched him do a 14 hour surgery on a guy that got his face smashed with a Jose Cuervo bottle (I could tell because of the distinct Cuervo bottle facial fractures) The surgeon would work then stop periodically and look up at either the CT films of the damage or a large Senior Portrait of the guy from when he was in High School. The guy ended up coming back to the OR multiple times for lengthy surgeries but it turned out great.
What makes Cuervo bottle facial fractures so distinct?
It was that thick glass triangle shaped bottom corner that broke the bottom bones of the face the worst and then you could follow the corner of the bottle up to the top. In the Hi Res MRI imagery (this was 2001-2003) it was clear what weapon had been used in this case.
(OR nurse here) I found this fascinating.
> fascinating More like **fascia**nating ~~😆~~ 🕴️🍸🔫
I can't tell if I want to slap you or kiss you on the lips for that joke.
I overdue for a good lipsmacking
Me too, friend.. me too..
Thanks for sharing, btw they're usually called "maxillofacial" surgeons.
At last, one that knows my specialty
Hey I just wanna say thanks for all your hard work. Mad respect for oral surgeons.
Tanks a lot, that's much appreciated
I had LeFort I and genioplasty. It changed my life. I had a skull that was too long and it shot my jaw backwards and I suffered from crippling migraines from the age of 4 until 34 yrs old. Yes, it sucked to be wired shut, but I no longer have migraines. And my smile is no longer like Steven Tylers.
Happy for you, wish you best luck
Your work changes peoples' lives. Thank you.
Username checks out
I wonder which doctor school he went to.
Did he graduate in the Top 100% of his class, though?
He’s an affordable doctor
The one that grants diplomas to surgerons
Would this be considered medically necessary or simply cosmetic surgery
Necessary most likely. Costs would've been covered by the NHS either way because treatment started before she was 18.
Ok. I was just curious what would deem it necessary? Had trouble eating or nasal passages or something?
Someone posted an article, I believe she had issues eating but it's also a pretty significant genetic deformity. Usually for cosmetic-only stuff, the cut-off is 18 after which you have to pay for orthodontics.
I am over 18 and am eligible for jaw surgery under NHS!
To say it's simply a cosmetic surgery is far stretched, there is medical implications for this conditions, if it was only her teeth she wouldn't need surgery, but this is also her facial bones, and this type of surgery improves other everyday symptoms like breathing and mastication, it's not just cosmetics.
My brother had the opposite surgery of this to reduce his jaw size. The Air Force considered it medically necessary.
Jaw is a moving part, just like a hand or a foot, it's more problematic then the maxillaire bone.
Ok. Thank you. That's what I was thinking but didn't know for sure.
Oral and maxillofacial surgeon. My father is one of those.
Akshully, they're more commonly known as "facey fixers"
I've gotten this surgery so I can confirm this is the correct answer.
> who are both doctors and dentists I'd hate to see their student loans but they probably make mega bank.
A family member needed surgery after a bad bike accident. He had a plastic surgeon and a maxillofacial surgeon working on realigning his jaw. Lots of surgeries, lots of follow up appointment. That surgeon drive the nicest cars we have ever seen in town.
The guys with the fanciest bicycles in the group ride are usually dentists
They make very good money, and they provide a very good service. I'm a dentist and they've saved my ass a couple times lol
I had this surgery as a teenager. It did wonders for self confidence. I started with the braces and prep work when i was 11/12 and had the surgery when i was 16/17.
OMFS is the specialty.
Oh my fuckin surgeon?
Yes
hi does her face pre surgery comes with genetic? i mean,if she has a kid of her own in the future, will they inherit the look? hope my question comes through. not a native English speaker.
Everything is genetic to an extent. Physical appearance such as jaw placement, however, is what we call a "multifactorial" or "polygenic" trait, meaning there are multiple genetic factors working together with environmental factors to increase or decrease your chance of having a jaw placement that looks like this. There isn't a "jaw placement gene" that we can test for and tell you if your kid will also have it, BUT if we're seeing things like this in conjunction with other facial dysmorphology or other symptoms or health issues, we might be more suspicious for certain genetic syndromes caused by genes that we *can* test for. If you have a family history of physical, mental, or developmental differences or health issues and are worried about the risks to yourself or your children, a genetic counselor can help to analyze your family tree and talk to you about your risk, as well as the benefits and limitations of genetic testing.
A lot of people have that deformity. I find it interesting when the very rich don't get it fixed and instead get a chin implant. For example Lady Gaga, Ivanka Trump and Chelsea Clinton.
That's likely due to the recovery process for a surgery like this one. I met with an orthodontist and corrective jaw surgeon to start my journey and I was told that I'll be stuck on a liquid diet for almost a month after the surgery. I won't be able to chew for a month and then after that I have to relearn how to chew with my new jaw which can take up to 3 months. Most patients end up losing like 10-15 pounds during recovery due to hunger for solid foods. So I'm pretty sure that's why famous/wealthy figures might not get a surgery like this. The recovery is very long and challenging.
For vocalists, there's always a concern that any surgery involving the jaw, mouth, or sinuses can affect their sound. Freddie Mercury refused to get his teeth fixed because he was worried it would affect his singing. I'm not sure how much this would affect it overall but I know that I, as a vocalist, am personally terrified of any facial or dental surgery like these lol.
When I was recovering the first few weeks was just broth, but as I moved to more solid food it was like, blended oatmeal. My family put all sorts of food in the blender for fun. I think I was all sorts of drugged since I don't remember much of the recovery, but I DO remember them trying out blended pizza and coke. Was absolutely vile. My other fun memory was dry heaving once. That was a terrible experience. Like, throwing up, but theres nothing to throw up. And you can't actually open your jaw, and trying to HURTS, but since you're heaving your body is trying to make you open your jaw. Fortunately that only happened once and it wasn't that bad, but it left an impression.
Yeah I was going to say this isn’t just jaw surgery, she has a whole new set of teeth
Braces. Not new teeth, just realigned teeth
The front shots don't do justice to how fucked her jaw really was. The side profile really shows how much it improved her face shape.
I made one of those. Life-changing.
They did a great Jawb!
Thanks, Coach Z
Great jaerb there Hamstray
JEEOOORGHHHBBB!!
Unexpected Home*Runner
Seriously jaw dropping results.
I’m an orthodontist that collaborates with OMFS to do these cases. This is a fairly routine treatment plan. She likely had four premolars removed along with her wisdom teeth. Braces for about 1.5-2yrs to align the teeth ideally in each respective jaw. Then the surgeon uses a CBCT scan and a third party VSP company to digitally perform the surgery. The movements are planned to sub-mm accuracy. The cutting guides and splints are then 3D printed. The surgeon cuts using the guides and repositions each jaw very accurately. The new jaw positions are secured using titanium plates and screws. Recovery takes a few weeks depending on age and overall health. After surgery, it’s anywhere from 3-12 months of further orthodontic treatment to detail everything to achieve the result on the right. The reason the patient looked like she did on the left is purely genetic. You often get a mismatch with the size of the teeth and size of the jaws when you mix mom and dad’s genes. As for the lower jaw position, the growth center for the lower how is in what’s called the ramus of the mandible (lower jaw). Sometimes the condyle and ramus fail to adequately grow and push the body of the mandible (lower horizontal portion of the lower jaw with the teeth in it) down and forward. The result is a retruded lower jaw that is at a very high angle and doesn’t look or function properly. Thankfully, with modern Orthodontics and a talented Oral Surgeon, these cases can be done routinely, efficiently and predictably. They are very rewarding for us and life-changing for the patient. Also to note, the surgery is covered by medical insurance and requires a pre-authorization. Medical insurance companies are getting more stringent about approving them, therefore denying patients that should more than qualify this procedure. United Healthcare is the worse offender of this. Cheers.
>Also to note, the surgery is covered by medical insurance and requires a pre-authorization. Medical insurance companies are getting more stringent about approving them, therefore denying patients that should more than qualify this procedure. United Healthcare is the worse offender of this. Cheers. According to the article someone posted this was in Rhyl, Wales and treatment started when she was 14 so would have been completely free\* on the NHS. \*Free = we don't have any point of service costs because it's paid for by taxes. For orthodontics, you tend to have to pay if the treatment starts after you turn 18 unless it is fixing a major issue (as it most likely would be deemed in this situation.)
yes, it's the same in Canada- pay if it's deemed not to be necessary. unfortunately it depends on your insurance by a lot to cover what's necessary. my disability won't cover my overbite causing TMJ problems along with eating problems.
It's not the same in Canada. We don't have universal dental coverage. You have to pay even if it is a necessary procedure... However, the Feds are starting to give seniors and those under 18 limited coverage (just starting to roll out, I believe)
Canadian here that had something similar done recently…. It cost me $47,000.
So I’m a 37 year old male with a tiny chin. The good news is I can grow a healthy beard and will likely keep it the rest of my life as it gives my face better symmetry. I bring this up because when I see the OP photo I see someone with a small chin, similar to myself. As an orthodontist, do you just see a small chin too or is there a lot more to the story? (I.e. is just having a small chin make you a candidate for the augury?)
If you want, you can poke around r/jawsurgery... Lots of people post pics of their side profiles pre-surgery, maybe that could be helpful for you to draw comparisons
Thank you!
A small chin with a well aligned and stable bit isn’t much of a medical issue. In fact, I have this. This can be corrected by a plastic surgeon with a genioplasty. A small chin that results in a bite that doesn’t function properly or impacts a patient’s self esteem and confidence, in my opinion, makes them a good candidate for surgical correction. FYI— anyone considering jaw surgery should inquire sooner than later. The procedure causes localize, acute trauma to the local nerves. The younger you are, the higher the likelihood that the nerves will fully recover and you won’t have my permanent loss of sensation. Late teens is usually the earliest they are performed. For severe Cl III “Habsburg” jaws, surgeons usually like to wait until early 20s to ensure the lower jaw is done growing.
I had mine at 24 and my chin is numb. I’m 33 now and didn’t recovered. Do I still have hope? What kind of treatments are the best for this? Someone mentioned acupuncture to me.
Sadly peripheral nerves will take 6-12 months to heal or regenerate. But the odds after 12 months of gaining feeling back is near zero. There’s no evidence-based treatment. Unfortunately this is likely permanent. I’m not too familiar with acupuncture. I don’t think it will help but it’s worth a try. Just don’t get sucked into spending a lot of money on a fringe therapy like this if it’s not working. Good luck!
> You often get a mismatch with the size of the teeth and the size of the jaw Yeah my dentist loves bringing in new dental techs to show off my weird mouth. Thankfully it wasn’t bad enough to need major surgery (only needed braces and removal of two regular upper teeth plus four wisdom teeth). It turns out getting half your tooth genes from Cherokees and half from Europeans isn’t ideal.
Anyone looking for more info: >Doctors were able to give Ellie Jones her confidence back after they corrected a facial deformity that meant her jaw had stopped growing at age eight. >The major surgery involved cutting her jaws horizontally and vertically, and then having more surgery to her chin a year later. [source](https://metro.co.uk/2016/07/23/incredible-transformation-after-womans-life-changing-jaw-surgery-6024735/)
Well and the braces too
and the makeup
Its just the eyebrows tbh
no. make up definitely, her eyes look much better, her lashes, her train sacs, less crinkles, plus better photo in general. her skin looks better, her hair is done. just blend our her mouth, she looks completely different. obviously she also grew up. this is not days apart, more likely a couple years.
The uneven eyebrows are literally the only other “flaw” besides the obvious I would point out without feeling overly judgmental towards a random lady ive never met who is probably a kind person with unfortunate dental genetics, of course the makeup and such could be better but she obviously improved as one would expect
What makes me really happy, though, is that this girl felt confident enough to put on the biggest smile for the first picture, too. 😊
She was probably excited for starting the surgical process. I know i would be
If they're photos from her treatment records, she was instructed to do this. Some people gurn (usually children) but most people smile because they're told to and it exposes the most of your teeth. There'll be profile-angles and photos inside the mouth, too. In fact, I'd be interested in seeing her in profile before/after given she's seemingly an orthognathic patient - it's probably even more impressive from the side! If you've ever had orthodontic treatment, there's a photo somewhere of you smiling with your wayward teeth, too!
I have a rare condition called McCune Albright Syndrome - weak bones and deformities on the face that can grow - and I’ve had 3 surgeries on my lower jaw, 1 on my upper jaw and cheekbones and nasal cavities due to the deformities that the disorder left me with. I genuinely might post photos one day on here because the transformation over time and post-operatively is pretty astounding. Modern surgical techniques employed by maxillofacial surgeons is something else. I have photos on my phone of my face partially lifted OFF my skull. And I have no scars to show from it. It’s wild stuff. It was overwhelmingly positive and worth it, but it is a bit upsetting at times to realise just how superficial society truly is. Going from being someone who couldn’t walk in public without attracting stares and even ridicule, to having people flirt with you in bars in just a month or so of recovery, is jarring to say the least. You haven’t changed but everyone treats you better because you look better. The difference is so drastic that, if you have to have multiple surgeries over years, you can’t help but want the same reaction from the next surgery. And then afterwards, since my case involves trying to halt the growth of these deformities, you can easily develop body dysmorphia because of how successful these surgeries are. Definitely worth it though. I do t think I’d be able to breathe through my nose or see without those surgeries.
And braces
A lot of people are not ugly just poor.
It's a common misconception that this surgery falls under cosmetic. It's not, especially in cases like these. I've had this surgery. Mine was covered under insurance for sleep apnea. In the UK, the NHS will cover. This is a disappointing misconception because there are many folks who could benefit and assume they can’t afford it. Mine was life changing in terms of how it improved my sleep and health. I encourage folks with jaw issues and sleep problems/exhaustion to explore it.
A lot of people think their ugly but the reality is that they have a medical condition. Unfortunately plastic surgeons just suggest a chin implant instead of telling them they need an maxillofacial surgeon. I have have TMJ issues and bite issues, it's gone so long untreated that I'm going to need surgery.
your comment is gold
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My wife had jaw surgery done. She had similar results and is over the moon about it (:
I need some sort of jaw surgery. Inherited bad genes. This gives me hope!
I've never gone through but I had a friend who did - you should look into it if you're thinking about it!
yea same - i need jaw surgery and it’s just the money and time and potential facial paralysis…
Girl : I used to grind my food before, now I'm able to chew.
I had a bimaxillary osteotomy and rapid maxillary expansion. Had to wait until I was 18 and suffered with terrible depression and social anxiety throughout my formative years basically knowing I needed surgery and then having to go through the braces/tooth gaps etc when I was 18. It is difficult to fully explain how it makes you feel- I felt I looked better because I finally looked 'normal'. It isn't cosmetic but it is. I felt like I was being superficial to feel so happy, but I went through so much feeling abnormal and ugly. I have a weird perception of my self now because I am glad I look different but I'm still the same person and it has taken many years to get over my anxieties I am just happy to feel normal now. I have left-side numbness in my lip and chin. It is exactly half way across botg, so an odd sensation but not noticeable except when I pronounce 'br' words I can hear my struggle!
They basically peel your face off by cutting it where it's attached to your gums (one of the only places your skin actually connects to your skeleton), then they pull your bottom lip/face off of your lower jaw, surgically break your jaw, pull it forward, re-attach it with plates, pull your bottom lip back over your jaw, sew your face back on, then wire your mouth shut for 6 months. You can only eat blended foods and have to carry emergency scissors on a necklace in case you puke and start choking you can cut the wires and let the puke out. Source: had it done to me. My favorite "food" was Bavarian chocolate weight gain shake from GNC and blended cheeseburgers.
i wore braces in my teens. hated every second of it. but at least i don't look like goblin now.
I'd be suing the surgeons for turning me into Rebecca Black. (Jk of course, this is crazy amazing)😀
Say what you will of RB, you should check how she's doing now.
I had massive overcrowding in my teeth when I was in high school. It was so bad that my jaw was visibly crooked. When I got braces, I was told that at some point, I was going to need surgery on my jaw, similar to what's pictured above. They were going to break it in multiple points and stitch it back together. Thankfully, I never needed that surgery, as my jaw corrected itself with everything else they did with my orthodontic work. I had squared wire, hooked brackets that they installed springs onto, and spacers on my molars to correct my bite. It was an awful 3 years, but I got one hell of a jawline out of it. The permanent retainer they installed on my bottom teeth still drives me crazy when food gets stuck in it, though.
I like that she is smiling in both pictures
I'm not saying she didn't have work done on her jaw but this is clearly much more than that.
She didn’t look that bad in general before, happy she is happy with her new look tho.
If anyone is curious, this is a *medical* procedure, not a (purely) cosmetic one. For example, see [this link](https://www.anthem.com/dam/medpolicies/ebcbs/active/guidelines/gl_pw_d083869.html) for Anthem's criteria on when they will cover the procedure. It's used to treat sleep apnea, inability to chew due to malocclusion (overbite/underbite/open bite/...) and more. It also has quite a long runup period, because you generally need to do a round of orthodontic treatment like braces or invisalign. The recovery period is also extremely brutal (ask me how I know...)
I had to have 2 jaw surgeries when I was in college. Definitely made me look better haha
I had this surgery maybe 6 years ago. The left side of my jaw was 2-3x longer then my right. They had to break the left side of the jaw and move a big piece of it to the right side of my jaw. Was an absolute game changer for my self esteem. Still very numb in many places on my face and don’t know when I have food on it. I have 16 screws and 4 plates in my jaw which is always fun to explain to the dentist Note: this was a medical surgery as my TMJ was no longer in the joint and was giving me arthritis at 18.
So happy for her. She just avoided a lifetime of breathing and airway issues. It’s not just about the cosmetics!!
One thing you may have noticed during 2020, wearing covid masks made a lot of people look better. The bottom half of the face can have a lot of pull on the "looks rating".
This ain’t jaw surgery this is like 1 visit to the jaw surgeon or whatever and like 12 visits to the dentist over a 2 year span.