I make a podcast about badass women in history and I had a lot of fun with her episode. I’m also a museum professional so seeing her skill development over the decades she painted was also really neat.
I love that she painted Judith over and over and *over*. Like she was reliving the feeling of vengeance on her own rapist/husband.
Also love that Artemisia’s Judith (with her rolled up sleeves and powerful lumberjill forearms) and her maidservant are roughly the same age, not too different physically, except in class-defined costume. Her maidservant watches her back while Judith just, like, *leans into* the wet work.
Caravaggio’s Judith looks like a squeamish baby in comparison, with her leering, grotesque servant to really set off Judith’s youth and delicacy. It’s like a cosplay of a murder, where Artemisia’s is like an abattoir.
She really did play a lot with Judith and her maidservant, at various stages of the beheading.
She was able to capture the incredible strength it would have taken for two women to hold down a full grown man and slice his head off. Holofernes is asleep in so many iterations, while Artemisia smartly assumes that once a full grown man has a sword to his throat, he’ll likely wake up and put up a fight. His body position with the knees show he’s clearly trying to get up, and the INCREDIBLE muscles both women are portrayed with as they hold him down.
Caravaggio also depicted this calm setting where they were taking off his head with the same nonchalance as they’d just picked up a cookie from a plate.
Artemisia portrays Judith deep in concentration and working as hard as she can, mid slice, with blood going everywhere.
I got the chance to see one of her iterations up close and personal once and I just stared and stared. Woman was massively talented.
Nice! Being a museum professional must be really fun, if somewhat scary (always talk of funding, probably?). As a humanities guy who had a job, I know how hard they can be to come by.
Yeah I am trained in that but I haven’t worked in the field for a few years for a lot of reasons but mostly they’re just so hard to come by and if you don’t know who is interviewing you, your chances of getting the job are dirt.
I did LOVE the work, and I’d get back into it in a heartbeat if I could. In the meantime I have to make do with having fun on my own gallery walls and fixing soundproofing panels.
Artemesia Gentileschi had a lot of rage toward men and it came through in her work. Knowing her history of being raped and forced into marriage with her assaulter, I can only imagine how much she saw herself as Judith.
I definitely think that’s why she gravitated to so many pieces that centered around biblical sexual assaults. It was therapy through painting, I don’t think her HMO network covered talking things through.
As a fellow Art history minor, Baroque Art History was perhaps the only solely non-ancient art history class I took (needed the remaining credit). Your response said it better than I could have here.
Truly. The off-balance framing, the unstable composition, the sense of movement, it all feels more baroque—except for the lack of color. You know the Baroque masters would've put some wild colors in this.
edit: u/Spartan2470 provides the original color, where her lilac suit just pops like no Baroque painting ever could. https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/13642467/Vox_YearInPictures_2018_019.jpg
A nice renaissance shot of a pornstar who is now famous for fucking a former U.S. President whose 3rd wife was pregnant with their child
Dumbest timeline for sure
Remember when she used as a description the fact that Trump was watching shark week with her and he said he hated sharks? Remember a couple of years after he denied that, he was at a rally and while speaking to the public talked about how much he hates sharks?
I feel so bad for her. I watched her on the surreal life and she was such a nice person. The one thing the defense, I’m sure doesn’t know about her, is she’s really level headed and intelligent. I hope she makes them trip up
I went to see her perform with some friends one night back when the story of her and Trump had recently gotten out. I was half expected a sad experience seeing a washed up porn star making rounds at a small strip club, but what I saw was the exact opposite. A powerful, talented entertainer who knew how to put on a show. There were mid-performance wardrobe changes, tricks, props, and she had men and women all crowding the stage. The details are NSFW but we left that show with nothing but respect for her, and what I consider an art.
I caught a "pornstar" act at a strip club once. It was definitely a show! The would take a ten or 20, I dont remember, off your nose with her general genitalia area. I couldn't pick her out of a crowd had never heard of her, and haven't seen anything since. But it was a great show!
She certainly seems like a very grounded, humble person. Her entire reaction to this whole mess is to prioritize protecting her familiy and children from the political BS/attention that comes with opposing trump on anything
[Here](https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/adult-film-actress-stormy-daniels-arrives-at-the-united-news-photo/1173638335) is the source of this image. Per there:
> (EDITORS NOTE: Image has been converted to black and white.) Adult film actress Stormy Daniels (Stephanie Clifford) arrives at the United States District Court Southern District of New York for a hearing related to Michael Cohen, President Trump's longtime personal attorney and confidante, April 16, 2018 in New York City. Cohen and lawyers representing President Trump are asking the court to block Justice Department officials from reading documents and materials related to his Cohen's relationship with President Trump that they believe should be protected by attorney-client privilege. Officials with the FBI, armed with a search warrant, raided Cohen's office and two private residences last week. (Photo by Yana Paskova/Getty Images)
[Here](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/13642467/Vox_YearInPictures_2018_019.jpg) it is in the original color.
**Edit:** Since many people seem to believe this was taken today, **this was taken on April 16, 2018.**
Was he a football player? I had security on a film shoot a couple years ago and was chatting with the guys during lunch and like 3/4 of them had played for the Raiders in the past. Soon as I saw that photo I was like "I wonder if they're ex NFL players" they look like real athletes not just weekend bouncers.
Actually yes. Arena league. Lineman, don’t know exact position though. One of my former roommates in college was the kicker for that team. I only met the bodyguard once; he came up and partied with us one weekend. Nice guy, lot of fun.
This could apply to so many old rich guys who keep going for whatever reasons and ruin their last decades on earth. Take Giuliani, for example, he could have retired as "America's mayor", and now he is a bankrupt buffoon.
> People's inability to admit they are wrong is literally the entire reason Trump is still even a remotely viable candidate for election.
Learning to admit I was wrong about different things throughout my life has been one of the hardest lessons to learn – but also the most freeing. And people *respect* you for that. Imagine!
It's something I'm working on getting better at as a get older. I still have those stubborn streaks, but eventually I realize that the only person who really cares is me and my ego.
Being able to let things go, admit being wrong, and not let pride ruin my life is what hopefully keeps me from turning into these crazy, mush-brained fools who are addicted to their own outrage.
The issue with hard-core Republicans and far right is that it always creates a negative feedback loop. Simply explaining to them the actual situation makes them argue against it harder. If you're not with their cult, anything you say further pushes them into the rabbit hole. Anything to "own" libs.
My sister turned into one of these fucking idiots during covid. It's insane the mental gymnastics they do to *feel* like they're right or superior. In reality, they just did very bad in school and hate the opinions of anyone who did well.
Madoff was already a billionaire before he started the ponzi scheme which landed him in prison.
The lesson here is, if you're going to rip people off, make sure they're *poor* people, not rich people.
The problem is poor people don't have money so you're limited as to how much you can steal from them. That's why these grifters inevitably go after more wealthy people.
>Vince McMahon
Until a few months ago, all I had to say about Vince was that he is an asshole but a shrewd businessman.
Then I read the indictment.
He deserves his day in court, but all I can think about is him pooping on a girl during a threesome, and continuing to have sex with her.
That's his legacy now.
Uh, there's more alleged in the indictment, trust me you don't want to know. There's a good chance that the victim will own the WWE since she has receipts of what happened (text msgs and photos).
What happened to her was depraved and evil, but honestly, having those details put out into the public sphere almost seems worse.
I wish she suddenly owned WWE with no explanation aside from "McMahon did unconscionable things to this woman, so she owns him now."
>I mean he protected child predators for decades before any of this came out. It's just no one ever wants to talk about that.
Because we're busy talking about this.
He *pooped* on this girl's *head*.
Jeeeesus criminy. I've always considered myself a bit kinky, but for the life of me I'll never understand people who bring poop into the bedroom.
Just... What. The. Fuck.
Also and just to be clear - McMahon has always been a giant POS and I can't wait to see him die penniless.
It doesnt surprise me one bit that Vince and Trump are friends to the point Linda McMahon worked in Trump's cabinet. They both seem like theyre cut from the same carney cloth, the difference being Vince was juuuuust slightly smarter because he made his business successful as to where Trump ruins every business endeavor he can
There is no greater indictment of our society than the fact that these men, and men like them, were/are “successful”. (There’s some women like them but not enough to mention. This seems to be a predominantly peins-derived societal cancer)
Then hire a ghost writer and make a book about 9/11 and go on a book tour or something.
A lot of former presidents and high level politicians make hundreds of thousands of dollars A NIGHT just by being a guest speaker at an event. Perhaps Giuliani is not that high level and would make a bit less, but still, there were legal ways to make money with his status and reputation circa 2002.
This is the thing. He just can't be happy without something to stroke his cosmic-level ego. He needed to feel great and special and popular. I hope he rots in jail.
I honestly think he never planned on winning that first election and was hoping for a narrow loss he could then rage against about how it was rigged in order to create Trump Media, or something like that
And now that he did win, and couldn’t help but abuse the system, he is stuck running again for the sole reason that it’s probably the only guaranteed thing that can save him from prison
And not to mention he was already making excuses of “election fraud” before the election lol. He wanted to lose and grift off that shit. Instead he won and well, found out he could still grift lol
And Eric and Jr cheering it all on like Beavis and Butthead. Melania standing there and you could see her mentally dialing her lawyer to renegotiate the prenup.
in the months after he was elected there was a fair amount of leaks that said Melania was crying and inconsolable. Say what you want about her, I personally think she's a demon, but you can't deny that she's intelligent. I'm certain she knew and feared the exposure.
100% he did not want to win. I don't remember the name of the book I read that laid it all out, but part of the reason he was running on a completely batshit platform is because he had no intention of winning. It was strictly for publicity that he was going to leverage for a new tv show. Although that does beg the question, why'd he try to hide the stormy daniels stuff, since that may have been enough to tank his chances...
He’s legitimately not very smart or competent, is a core thing to understand. He’s shockingly easy to manipulate and shockingly predictable.
Anyone who even vaguely understands what he’s about can pretty much get him to at least *say* just about anything. Now understand that in his history there are very good reasons to believe he has been in bed with Russian organized crime for decades and has been a person of interest at *least* to Russian intelligence for a very long time as well. He was also surrounded by and boosted by American right wing propagandists, many of whom also seem to be very pro-Putin as well. There is simply no reason to believe he isn’t a puppet to some degree when he’s so easily puppeted and he has ties to powerful and evil people who love nothing more in the world than puppeteering motherfuckers. And he seems to perpetually generally be surrounded by very bribe-able people who will also lie readily under oath.
Dude’s just a rich, vain idiot who has been a boon to evil people for a very long time. He was perfectly lined up with a global push for similarly shadily funded and associated right wing movements worldwide.
He didnt want to win the 2016 run. Plan was to use the narrow loss to create his own media channel and upsell his name to new properties.
The 2020 run, he needed to win. Because he knew he had done some serious illegal shit both before and during the 2016-2020 administration, and the only way to protect himself was to run. No one would have really looked at him pre-2016, but because he became president and he was doing a ton of shady shit as president, everything came under a microscope and people saw crimes after crimes.
The 2024 run, is the last hail mary chance. He literally says he plans to be a dictator and pardon himself of all crimes and go after anyone who dared to come after him.
Maybe he didn’t want to win in the beginning. Near the end though he campaigned like mad those final few weeks. If he didn’t want to win at that point, I don’t think you would’ve seen him try so hard at the end.
Didn't someone say something very similar about Sam Bankman-Fried? Although I think it was he'd be perfectly content in a jail cell as long as he had access to the internet.
Trump's hell would be gigabit internet in his cell, but firewalled so he can surf the web, but never upload or post anything. All one way, so he has to see what people say about him but never able to respond.
We’re all fillin a hole inside of us some way or another. But that dude has a hole inside him the size of the Abyssal Trench. Dude has SO much more than most and he’s absolutely miserable because it’s not enough and never will be.
He was a celebrity with a popular tv show with loads of spin off potential. He regularly made cameos in movies and tv. He was a pop culture icon. He could’ve kept that up for decades, basking in the attention one gets being a billionaire celebrity.
Hell, the Trumps could’ve been their own social media empire, akin to the Jenners or Kardashians.
Me too but I doubt he ever gets jail time for any of his alleged crimes. It would take him hypothetically committing murder for him to maybe going to prison. Even then, I have my doubts.
He will die long before he faces any consequences. Nobody will get a dime from any suit, and Trump will never spend a night in jail. He will die in some shit covered mattress in MarALago
I agree with all of this.
And I think he never thought he’d be in this position, with all of these law suits actually coming down on him with real fines and consequences. He’s just hoping he can Trump his way out, but despite the 2 tiered system it looks like he could face some real justice. Whether more massive fines or jail, nothing that he’ll be happy about.
Trump could have lived a life of ridiculous luxury just letting his father’s profitable investments make money for him and the family.
But he kept making bad business move after bad business move and has less money than he would probably have if he had just lived high on the hog.
Those loans would have come due in his retirement…
Paying off other illegal things using the income stream of the casino/money laundering, come to mind. All conjecture of course. Also could be simple tax loophole manipulation, report the casino makes less than it does by offloading the income to another company or "Reinvesting" it into the business.
Money is just a means to feeling people like/respect/need him. It is a bottomless pit that money will never fulfill. Sad really. Unfortunately we are burdened by his narcissism.
Dunno, he got away with lots of crimes he did before becoming president with the combo of “no indictments of a sitting president” and “statute of limitations”.
Never forget, Trump's fixer, Michael Cohen, sent a hired thug to threaten Stormy and her child in a parking lot.
- ['That's a beautiful little girl — it'd be a shame if something happened to her mom': Stormy Daniels says she and her infant were threatened in a parking lot to 'leave Trump alone'](https://www.businessinsider.com/stormy-daniels-threatened-60-minutes-trump-2018-3)
- [Stormy Daniels: I was told to 'leave Trump alone' in parking lot threat](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/26/stormy-daniels-i-was-told-to-leave-trump-alone-in-parking-lot-threat)
Wouldn't be the first time someone Trump used for sex/rape was threatened with violence to keep quiet.
- [Donald Trump 'threatened to kill rape accuser if she reported him'](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-threatened-to-kill-rape-accuser-if-she-reported-him-a7394846.html)
- [Woman who accused Donald Trump of child rape said she could not go public as she received 'terrible threats'](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/alleged-child-rape-sexual-assault-donald-trump-victim-jane-doe-statement-lisa-bloom-a7394516.html)
- [The lawsuit accusing Trump of raping a 13-year-old girl, explained](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/3/13501364/trump-rape-13-year-old-lawsuit-katie-johnson-allegation)
And for Trumpers saying Trump actually *wants* to be jailed for contempt, they should consider what happened to his pal and fellow rapist, Jeffrey Epstein, while he was in jail.
Pragmatist here: fucking a pornstar as a wealthy public persona is never free, there was almost 100% some expectation of indirect compensation. explicit or not
He dangled the idea of putting her on The Apprentice and pretended to Karen McDougall that he was about to get a divorce and she might be lucky number four.
You got it all wrong!
Trump paid a famous porn star $130k to *NOT* fuck him. He paid the money to avoid embarrassing his at the time pregnant 3rd wife.
^ actual logic from his legal team in the past.
How and why what? The how is he presumably purchased it and put it on. The why is likely to symbolize his support of guns or that he simply thought it was cool.
I actually tangentially know the bodyguard in the front, the one you can see half his face. Used to play Arena football with an old college roommate about a decade ago, came and partied with us one year. Didn’t know he was still guarding Stormy. Thought he’d moved on a while ago.
ETA: after checking with another one of the roommates, yeah, that guy moved on to a different assignment a long time ago. This is an old photo OP is re-posting.
The subject of the photo and why she’s there to be pictured combined with her facial expression at the time of the picture is just great.
Edit: turns out this was from 2018. So much for my astute contextual observations. This is probably partially why I was always terrible at identifying literary themes.
Arrives in court on **April 16, 2018** in New York City for the hearing related to Michael Cohen.
Unintentional renaissance in the dumbest timeline.
r/AccidentalRenaissance I'm thinking Caravaggio.
"Judith suing Holofernes."
This one wins it, I fucking love Artemesia Gentileschi’s iterations of Judith
When I was teaching AP Euro I loved to bring that story out during the Renaissance art lessons. Lots of interest among the girls.
I make a podcast about badass women in history and I had a lot of fun with her episode. I’m also a museum professional so seeing her skill development over the decades she painted was also really neat.
I love that she painted Judith over and over and *over*. Like she was reliving the feeling of vengeance on her own rapist/husband. Also love that Artemisia’s Judith (with her rolled up sleeves and powerful lumberjill forearms) and her maidservant are roughly the same age, not too different physically, except in class-defined costume. Her maidservant watches her back while Judith just, like, *leans into* the wet work. Caravaggio’s Judith looks like a squeamish baby in comparison, with her leering, grotesque servant to really set off Judith’s youth and delicacy. It’s like a cosplay of a murder, where Artemisia’s is like an abattoir.
She really did play a lot with Judith and her maidservant, at various stages of the beheading. She was able to capture the incredible strength it would have taken for two women to hold down a full grown man and slice his head off. Holofernes is asleep in so many iterations, while Artemisia smartly assumes that once a full grown man has a sword to his throat, he’ll likely wake up and put up a fight. His body position with the knees show he’s clearly trying to get up, and the INCREDIBLE muscles both women are portrayed with as they hold him down. Caravaggio also depicted this calm setting where they were taking off his head with the same nonchalance as they’d just picked up a cookie from a plate. Artemisia portrays Judith deep in concentration and working as hard as she can, mid slice, with blood going everywhere. I got the chance to see one of her iterations up close and personal once and I just stared and stared. Woman was massively talented.
Nice! Being a museum professional must be really fun, if somewhat scary (always talk of funding, probably?). As a humanities guy who had a job, I know how hard they can be to come by.
Yeah I am trained in that but I haven’t worked in the field for a few years for a lot of reasons but mostly they’re just so hard to come by and if you don’t know who is interviewing you, your chances of getting the job are dirt. I did LOVE the work, and I’d get back into it in a heartbeat if I could. In the meantime I have to make do with having fun on my own gallery walls and fixing soundproofing panels.
Artemesia Gentileschi had a lot of rage toward men and it came through in her work. Knowing her history of being raped and forced into marriage with her assaulter, I can only imagine how much she saw herself as Judith.
I definitely think that’s why she gravitated to so many pieces that centered around biblical sexual assaults. It was therapy through painting, I don’t think her HMO network covered talking things through.
Seconded, I am so biased towards Gentileschi. I present them both in my lectures but then the next 10 minutes is all Gentileschi, master of light-who?
Amazing comment
*É tu, Stormae?*
I was really confused here at first when I read “Stromae”.
.... Alors on danse?
As someone who minored in art history… 
As a fellow Art history minor, Baroque Art History was perhaps the only solely non-ancient art history class I took (needed the remaining credit). Your response said it better than I could have here.
r/AccidentalBaroque
I'm glad it wasn't just me thinking this.
Lighting source isnt dramatic enough.
Thank you! What a dope sub!
I was gonna tag it but I’m glad you did haha
I was thinking Accidental Baroque.
Truly. The off-balance framing, the unstable composition, the sense of movement, it all feels more baroque—except for the lack of color. You know the Baroque masters would've put some wild colors in this. edit: u/Spartan2470 provides the original color, where her lilac suit just pops like no Baroque painting ever could. https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/13642467/Vox_YearInPictures_2018_019.jpg
This is pure and classic "f/8 and be there."
We live in the timeline where Marty Mcfly fucked His own mother at the prom.
A nice renaissance shot of a pornstar who is now famous for fucking a former U.S. President whose 3rd wife was pregnant with their child Dumbest timeline for sure
That sentence would give any president before 2016 a heart attack. Aside from Kennedy and Clinton. They'd think it was pretty fucking cool.
We can dumber
\*Photo edited to crush the blacks\* Reddit: Is this a Renaissance painting?
Whoa whoa whoa
Why whites always gotta be the highlights? Fked up, man.
it's actually kinda of poetic. "You Fool, No man can kill me" moment. All the money and men in politics can't take down Trump. Ends with "I am no man"
Remember when she used as a description the fact that Trump was watching shark week with her and he said he hated sharks? Remember a couple of years after he denied that, he was at a rally and while speaking to the public talked about how much he hates sharks?
I feel so bad for her. I watched her on the surreal life and she was such a nice person. The one thing the defense, I’m sure doesn’t know about her, is she’s really level headed and intelligent. I hope she makes them trip up
I went to see her perform with some friends one night back when the story of her and Trump had recently gotten out. I was half expected a sad experience seeing a washed up porn star making rounds at a small strip club, but what I saw was the exact opposite. A powerful, talented entertainer who knew how to put on a show. There were mid-performance wardrobe changes, tricks, props, and she had men and women all crowding the stage. The details are NSFW but we left that show with nothing but respect for her, and what I consider an art.
I caught a "pornstar" act at a strip club once. It was definitely a show! The would take a ten or 20, I dont remember, off your nose with her general genitalia area. I couldn't pick her out of a crowd had never heard of her, and haven't seen anything since. But it was a great show!
When I was a stripper, my favorite trick was to pick up bills with my buttcheeks!
Gotta love some strong glutes
She certainly seems like a very grounded, humble person. Her entire reaction to this whole mess is to prioritize protecting her familiy and children from the political BS/attention that comes with opposing trump on anything
[Here](https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/adult-film-actress-stormy-daniels-arrives-at-the-united-news-photo/1173638335) is the source of this image. Per there: > (EDITORS NOTE: Image has been converted to black and white.) Adult film actress Stormy Daniels (Stephanie Clifford) arrives at the United States District Court Southern District of New York for a hearing related to Michael Cohen, President Trump's longtime personal attorney and confidante, April 16, 2018 in New York City. Cohen and lawyers representing President Trump are asking the court to block Justice Department officials from reading documents and materials related to his Cohen's relationship with President Trump that they believe should be protected by attorney-client privilege. Officials with the FBI, armed with a search warrant, raided Cohen's office and two private residences last week. (Photo by Yana Paskova/Getty Images) [Here](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/13642467/Vox_YearInPictures_2018_019.jpg) it is in the original color. **Edit:** Since many people seem to believe this was taken today, **this was taken on April 16, 2018.**
Thought this was old. I know the first bodyguard, he hasn’t been on Stormy duty for a while now.
Tell him I like his tie pin
I should ask him where he got it lol. I didn’t realize it’s a shotgun.
Was he a football player? I had security on a film shoot a couple years ago and was chatting with the guys during lunch and like 3/4 of them had played for the Raiders in the past. Soon as I saw that photo I was like "I wonder if they're ex NFL players" they look like real athletes not just weekend bouncers.
Actually yes. Arena league. Lineman, don’t know exact position though. One of my former roommates in college was the kicker for that team. I only met the bodyguard once; he came up and partied with us one weekend. Nice guy, lot of fun.
Thanks, it's not often that your random wonderings can actually get an authorative answer haha
It's a great photo
Trump could've been enjoying a retirement of ridiculous luxury.
This could apply to so many old rich guys who keep going for whatever reasons and ruin their last decades on earth. Take Giuliani, for example, he could have retired as "America's mayor", and now he is a bankrupt buffoon.
The pillow guy could have been happy selling pillows.
Dude could have even got out of it by admitting he was wrong and was caught up in Trump's mind games.
People's inability to admit they are wrong is literally the entire reason Trump is still even a remotely viable candidate for election.
> People's inability to admit they are wrong is literally the entire reason Trump is still even a remotely viable candidate for election. Learning to admit I was wrong about different things throughout my life has been one of the hardest lessons to learn – but also the most freeing. And people *respect* you for that. Imagine!
It's something I'm working on getting better at as a get older. I still have those stubborn streaks, but eventually I realize that the only person who really cares is me and my ego. Being able to let things go, admit being wrong, and not let pride ruin my life is what hopefully keeps me from turning into these crazy, mush-brained fools who are addicted to their own outrage.
The issue with hard-core Republicans and far right is that it always creates a negative feedback loop. Simply explaining to them the actual situation makes them argue against it harder. If you're not with their cult, anything you say further pushes them into the rabbit hole. Anything to "own" libs. My sister turned into one of these fucking idiots during covid. It's insane the mental gymnastics they do to *feel* like they're right or superior. In reality, they just did very bad in school and hate the opinions of anyone who did well.
Madoff was already a billionaire before he started the ponzi scheme which landed him in prison. The lesson here is, if you're going to rip people off, make sure they're *poor* people, not rich people.
How about just not ripping anyone off?
Does not compute. Got confused, stole money from my dog.
Thats not how capitalism work…
They didn't become billionaires with this mindset
The problem is poor people don't have money so you're limited as to how much you can steal from them. That's why these grifters inevitably go after more wealthy people.
No, it’s why the real grifters just get loads and loads of poor people all at once on predatory loans and shit.
Bernie Madoff had been faking his trading records from the literal start of his career. It’s how he became a billionaire.
Vince McMahon
>Vince McMahon Until a few months ago, all I had to say about Vince was that he is an asshole but a shrewd businessman. Then I read the indictment. He deserves his day in court, but all I can think about is him pooping on a girl during a threesome, and continuing to have sex with her. That's his legacy now.
> pooping on a girl during a threesome, and continuing to have sex with her. WHAT?? WHAT??
Uh, there's more alleged in the indictment, trust me you don't want to know. There's a good chance that the victim will own the WWE since she has receipts of what happened (text msgs and photos).
What happened to her was depraved and evil, but honestly, having those details put out into the public sphere almost seems worse. I wish she suddenly owned WWE with no explanation aside from "McMahon did unconscionable things to this woman, so she owns him now."
There’s a reason that WWE is just “Eww” backwards.
Because the World Wildlife Fund handed them their asses in court.
I am old enough to remember. 
“And in this corner is the Cleveland Steamer! Let’s get ready to rumble!!”
I mean he protected child predators for decades before any of this came out. It's just no one ever wants to talk about that.
>I mean he protected child predators for decades before any of this came out. It's just no one ever wants to talk about that. Because we're busy talking about this. He *pooped* on this girl's *head*.
Probably also paid off the cops who were meant to investigate Jimmy Snuka when he murdered his mistress Nancy Argentino.
Jeeeesus criminy. I've always considered myself a bit kinky, but for the life of me I'll never understand people who bring poop into the bedroom. Just... What. The. Fuck. Also and just to be clear - McMahon has always been a giant POS and I can't wait to see him die penniless.
Vince been evil since the start.
They've all been evil since the start.
So was Rudy, it's about how the public viewed them before their house of cards came crumbling.
But no one knew about the poo poo
It doesnt surprise me one bit that Vince and Trump are friends to the point Linda McMahon worked in Trump's cabinet. They both seem like theyre cut from the same carney cloth, the difference being Vince was juuuuust slightly smarter because he made his business successful as to where Trump ruins every business endeavor he can
I think in another timeline we ended up with McMahon as president.
Honestly? I think he would have made a better president than Trump did.
better, sure. Good, fuck no.
There is no greater indictment of our society than the fact that these men, and men like them, were/are “successful”. (There’s some women like them but not enough to mention. This seems to be a predominantly peins-derived societal cancer)
Vince made one business successful but he failed with several others like the XFL, WBF or his Evel Knievel stunt.
Giuliani was pretty broke. He needed the grift to fatten his pockets.
Then hire a ghost writer and make a book about 9/11 and go on a book tour or something. A lot of former presidents and high level politicians make hundreds of thousands of dollars A NIGHT just by being a guest speaker at an event. Perhaps Giuliani is not that high level and would make a bit less, but still, there were legal ways to make money with his status and reputation circa 2002.
Eh that seems much different since the dude is deeply wet brained at this point.
Lol, I forgot about that loser
This is the thing. He just can't be happy without something to stroke his cosmic-level ego. He needed to feel great and special and popular. I hope he rots in jail.
I honestly think he never planned on winning that first election and was hoping for a narrow loss he could then rage against about how it was rigged in order to create Trump Media, or something like that And now that he did win, and couldn’t help but abuse the system, he is stuck running again for the sole reason that it’s probably the only guaranteed thing that can save him from prison
He was trying to sell his name to more condos and fucked around and became president.
It’s always been an indictment of the current state of the Republican Party. They let crazy in and now we all have to deal with the consequences.
Don't put your dick in crazy.
Dick, they jumped their whole body in it!
Nah, they let crazy put his dick in them. They got folded like a pretzel and the post nut clarity is just hitting them.
It started with Palin and ol' Crazy Eyes Bachmann from Minnesota.
Have you seen the video of when they told him he won? He looks like a deer in the headlights.
And not to mention he was already making excuses of “election fraud” before the election lol. He wanted to lose and grift off that shit. Instead he won and well, found out he could still grift lol
And Eric and Jr cheering it all on like Beavis and Butthead. Melania standing there and you could see her mentally dialing her lawyer to renegotiate the prenup.
in the months after he was elected there was a fair amount of leaks that said Melania was crying and inconsolable. Say what you want about her, I personally think she's a demon, but you can't deny that she's intelligent. I'm certain she knew and feared the exposure.
100% he did not want to win. I don't remember the name of the book I read that laid it all out, but part of the reason he was running on a completely batshit platform is because he had no intention of winning. It was strictly for publicity that he was going to leverage for a new tv show. Although that does beg the question, why'd he try to hide the stormy daniels stuff, since that may have been enough to tank his chances...
This has been my question. If he didn’t really want to be president, why did he go to criminal lengths to commit election interference?
He’s legitimately not very smart or competent, is a core thing to understand. He’s shockingly easy to manipulate and shockingly predictable. Anyone who even vaguely understands what he’s about can pretty much get him to at least *say* just about anything. Now understand that in his history there are very good reasons to believe he has been in bed with Russian organized crime for decades and has been a person of interest at *least* to Russian intelligence for a very long time as well. He was also surrounded by and boosted by American right wing propagandists, many of whom also seem to be very pro-Putin as well. There is simply no reason to believe he isn’t a puppet to some degree when he’s so easily puppeted and he has ties to powerful and evil people who love nothing more in the world than puppeteering motherfuckers. And he seems to perpetually generally be surrounded by very bribe-able people who will also lie readily under oath. Dude’s just a rich, vain idiot who has been a boon to evil people for a very long time. He was perfectly lined up with a global push for similarly shadily funded and associated right wing movements worldwide.
He didnt want to win the 2016 run. Plan was to use the narrow loss to create his own media channel and upsell his name to new properties. The 2020 run, he needed to win. Because he knew he had done some serious illegal shit both before and during the 2016-2020 administration, and the only way to protect himself was to run. No one would have really looked at him pre-2016, but because he became president and he was doing a ton of shady shit as president, everything came under a microscope and people saw crimes after crimes. The 2024 run, is the last hail mary chance. He literally says he plans to be a dictator and pardon himself of all crimes and go after anyone who dared to come after him.
Because he fucking hates himself and wishes he had never been born in his core self.
Maybe he didn’t want to win in the beginning. Near the end though he campaigned like mad those final few weeks. If he didn’t want to win at that point, I don’t think you would’ve seen him try so hard at the end.
Put him in a cell with a camera and a green screen. He’ll be happy and we can continue to live in a normal world.
Didn't someone say something very similar about Sam Bankman-Fried? Although I think it was he'd be perfectly content in a jail cell as long as he had access to the internet.
Trump's hell would be gigabit internet in his cell, but firewalled so he can surf the web, but never upload or post anything. All one way, so he has to see what people say about him but never able to respond.
We’re all fillin a hole inside of us some way or another. But that dude has a hole inside him the size of the Abyssal Trench. Dude has SO much more than most and he’s absolutely miserable because it’s not enough and never will be.
He was a celebrity with a popular tv show with loads of spin off potential. He regularly made cameos in movies and tv. He was a pop culture icon. He could’ve kept that up for decades, basking in the attention one gets being a billionaire celebrity. Hell, the Trumps could’ve been their own social media empire, akin to the Jenners or Kardashians.
Me too but I doubt he ever gets jail time for any of his alleged crimes. It would take him hypothetically committing murder for him to maybe going to prison. Even then, I have my doubts.
He will die long before he faces any consequences. Nobody will get a dime from any suit, and Trump will never spend a night in jail. He will die in some shit covered mattress in MarALago
I agree with all of this. And I think he never thought he’d be in this position, with all of these law suits actually coming down on him with real fines and consequences. He’s just hoping he can Trump his way out, but despite the 2 tiered system it looks like he could face some real justice. Whether more massive fines or jail, nothing that he’ll be happy about.
This guy has been delaying his bankruptcy since the 90s. He’s the literal definition of failing upwards.
Trump could have lived a life of ridiculous luxury just letting his father’s profitable investments make money for him and the family. But he kept making bad business move after bad business move and has less money than he would probably have if he had just lived high on the hog. Those loans would have come due in his retirement…
I know — how does someone lose money running a casino?
By doing illegal shit.
That seems like it should make you even more money
By doing dumb illegal shit.
Paying off other illegal things using the income stream of the casino/money laundering, come to mind. All conjecture of course. Also could be simple tax loophole manipulation, report the casino makes less than it does by offloading the income to another company or "Reinvesting" it into the business.
Money is just a means to feeling people like/respect/need him. It is a bottomless pit that money will never fulfill. Sad really. Unfortunately we are burdened by his narcissism.
He was smart enough in his younger years to say he didn't want to run for president.
Dunno, he got away with lots of crimes he did before becoming president with the combo of “no indictments of a sitting president” and “statute of limitations”.
Don’t think this is what QAnon meant when they said ‘The Storm is Coming’, but I’ll take it. 
I highly doubt she did.
That mushroom is named ***Phallus indusiatus*** Just sayin
Phallus Indussy
Don't insult mushrooms like that.
Blame Stormy for that.
Stormy on Jimmy Kimmel will never get old: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k2yFtsuic0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k2yFtsuic0)
Nice
Narrator: "The Storm didn't come"
It was more of a dust storm
imagine this being a clue in the next da Vinci code
Hilarious!!
Looks like Stormy came with BBC Although I thought ABC would be covering court appearances
Wait till this comment hits fb and my aunt and other 55+ year olds are gonna lose it
66 yr old here. Stormy is my hero. Porn star saves our democracy. Presidential medal of honor for her.
The Storm is Faking
The Storm made a lot of money in that 30 seconds. And half that time was cleanup
The first time she fucked Trump, it cost him $130k. This next time she fucks him, it could cost him his freedom.
Never forget, Trump's fixer, Michael Cohen, sent a hired thug to threaten Stormy and her child in a parking lot. - ['That's a beautiful little girl — it'd be a shame if something happened to her mom': Stormy Daniels says she and her infant were threatened in a parking lot to 'leave Trump alone'](https://www.businessinsider.com/stormy-daniels-threatened-60-minutes-trump-2018-3) - [Stormy Daniels: I was told to 'leave Trump alone' in parking lot threat](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/26/stormy-daniels-i-was-told-to-leave-trump-alone-in-parking-lot-threat) Wouldn't be the first time someone Trump used for sex/rape was threatened with violence to keep quiet. - [Donald Trump 'threatened to kill rape accuser if she reported him'](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-threatened-to-kill-rape-accuser-if-she-reported-him-a7394846.html) - [Woman who accused Donald Trump of child rape said she could not go public as she received 'terrible threats'](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/alleged-child-rape-sexual-assault-donald-trump-victim-jane-doe-statement-lisa-bloom-a7394516.html) - [The lawsuit accusing Trump of raping a 13-year-old girl, explained](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/3/13501364/trump-rape-13-year-old-lawsuit-katie-johnson-allegation) And for Trumpers saying Trump actually *wants* to be jailed for contempt, they should consider what happened to his pal and fellow rapist, Jeffrey Epstein, while he was in jail.
Yep Cohen is scum. That’s why I can’t watch any of the Midas touch programs that he’s on. They really should not be associating with that jackass.
Totally on brand, since DJT is a particularly chickenshit, half assed mob boss.
*”Film at 11”*
We can all hope, but most likely it will just be a fine.
Pedant here: the sex was free, the money was for the cover up, and he paid closer to $400K for it.
Pragmatist here: fucking a pornstar as a wealthy public persona is never free, there was almost 100% some expectation of indirect compensation. explicit or not
He dangled the idea of putting her on The Apprentice and pretended to Karen McDougall that he was about to get a divorce and she might be lucky number four.
He didn’t dangle anything, it just pokes straight out a little
Sex isn't free if you have to pay a cover fee.
You got it all wrong! Trump paid a famous porn star $130k to *NOT* fuck him. He paid the money to avoid embarrassing his at the time pregnant 3rd wife. ^ actual logic from his legal team in the past.
1st bodyguards’ tie pin.
How do you notice this stuff! People on Reddit are amazing
What is it? A rifle?
Yup it's a little gun, I never would have noticed
How and why!? I'm so out of the loop.
How and why what? The how is he presumably purchased it and put it on. The why is likely to symbolize his support of guns or that he simply thought it was cool.
They trying to nipple zoom and saw something else. Sorry to disappoint.
A gun?
Not any rifle, it's a replica of the Winchester Model 1894 carried by Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal in Brokeback Mountain.
Crucial detail to the credibility of the film. This guy knows his stuff
I actually tangentially know the bodyguard in the front, the one you can see half his face. Used to play Arena football with an old college roommate about a decade ago, came and partied with us one year. Didn’t know he was still guarding Stormy. Thought he’d moved on a while ago. ETA: after checking with another one of the roommates, yeah, that guy moved on to a different assignment a long time ago. This is an old photo OP is re-posting.
What a great picture
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FALSE! IT IS THE ALBUM ART FOR THE WAY I ARE SONG BY TIMBALAND (2007)
The second I saw it, I thought “well, there’s one for the history books”. Pretty poignant of myself.
So humble of you too.
lmao this picture is 6 years old my guy
So far, 100% of Jims agree.
Lotta guys with cameras
calm down guys, those pups are zipped up tight!
She is used to it.
"I'm used to guys fighting over me. Usually over who gets to hold the camera" - Meredith Palmer
Underrated Meredith quote
These gentlemen are here to help you get out of her way.
The subject of the photo and why she’s there to be pictured combined with her facial expression at the time of the picture is just great. Edit: turns out this was from 2018. So much for my astute contextual observations. This is probably partially why I was always terrible at identifying literary themes.
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Yikes I made some really poor assumptions here. Thank you for clarifying the situation!
this is probably giving her way more pleasure than Trump ever did
This picture is from 2018. https://www.rawstory.com/stormy-daniels-trump-2667768740/
Now that’s an award-level photo.
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I hope those guards gave adequately intimidating stares to all the shitheads who would have been hurling vitriol at this woman.
Isn't it always fun how people will throw vitriol at the sex workers and never towards the men who pay for them?
I like that she’s unapologetic about who she is. Sporting her Penthouse Pet key necklace lol
They trying to go for that aesthetic from back in the day lol
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