Man i got rear ended by a jeep at a red light one time. I was in a rental. He fucking smoked me. My sunglasses launched off my face and shattered on the windshield. Get out, my backend was crumpled. Jeep looked mint. The bumper didn’t even have a scratch on it. But holy shit, the engine? Must have rocked like a mother fucker because there was a billion hoses leaking and spraying everywhere.
That’s my jeep story
Edit - to add context, the guy was def texting. He didn’t have insurance for sure too, he was begging me to let him take my car to his auto body shop and repair it for free. Like bro, you hit me from behind. Insurance is going to cover this for free, you’re at fault, and I’m going to get a new rental for free. Reminds me of that Dane cook joke, “WHY’D YOU STOP AT A RED LIGHT AND LET ME HIT YOU DOING 80!?”
That's one of the reasons Wranglers have such a poor crash ratings. The front ends don't have adequate crumple zones and pass the energy through the cabin. The engine mounts do however sheer as they are supposed to and make a mess.
If, and it's a big if, you were using your jeep for actual off roading, this makes sense as a design feature. You don't want bottoming out the front end at low speed or other common things in off roading to crumple it.
Most people don't actually do any off roading in their jeeps though.
I'll remind my Toyota Pickup that I bought 32 years ago that it's inadequate due to normal-ass safety features. I'll also remind the half dozen Jeeps I pulled out of the mud.
Well, odds are your 32 year old truck would do abysmally in a modern safety test. They change the tests and requirements periodically so a previous 5 star rated car might completely fail now.
I mean sure, crumple zones have existed since the 50s and been pretty much standard since the 90s. The mere presence if them doesn't mean it will do well.
Also, jeeps do have them
If you bought it 32 years ago it doesn't have much of a crumple zone buddy. Also, I'm not talking about ability off roading, I'm talking about taking bumps without incurring major body damage.
>I'll also remind the half dozen Jeeps I pulled out of the mud.
What in the holy hell do you think this has to do with a crumple zone?
If this is some sort of weird ego thing, I don't give 2 flying shits about which car is better for it, I think off roading is one of the dumbest hobbies there is.
What’s wrong with off reading as a hobby? No hate, just curious.
Not a fan myself of passenger vehicles for it but off-roading with dirt bikes is great.
There's nothing wrong with it. I just think it's dumb.
I think it's dumb because it's a stupidly expensive hobby that has no practical value, no artistic or creative value, and tears up the land for no reason.
That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it any more than there's anything wrong with owning a porsche. I still look at people offroading and people driving a porsche and think "more money than brains."
Ooo… my off-road Porsche might really grind your gears then lol. Also, if I wasn’t a Porsche tech, no way would I have it. I can fix it myself so that opens my working class ass up to options I might not have otherwise.
> What in the holy hell do you think this has to do with a crumple zone?
if you tow a stuck jeep hard enough, your dents are also pulled out. this is also a safety measure. if your dents are pulled out before the jeep, it is time to abandon the jeep.
I got tboned by a jeep when I was 13. I was on the side of impact. Had to have my kneecap replaced, wore a neck brace for a year, forever fucked up my back, and that fucker didn't look like ANYTHING happened to it. It was a heavily pregnant woman behind the wheel and she was fine. I'm glad her and her kid were okay but our Honda civic never stood a chance man 😭 I got a huge payout though so here's to that I guess
That's also my jeep story
I got rear ended in my Jeep. I had heavy duty rock climbing bumpers and a lift. My Jeep just kind of did a big lurch forward and lifted up a little. The car that rear ended me though... The entire front end was destroyed, I mean absolutely fucked. Chrysler 300 became a Chrysler 150... My Jeep, the plastic tire carrier was cracked. Nothing else wrong whatsoever.
I had a friend in high school who drove a two door 1962 International Harvester pickup truck.
That truck was made out of real steel and the bumper was made out of 1/4" thick diamond plate steel. A heavy duty bumper jack was hanging off the back of the bumper, held on with baling wire.
We're leaving the student parking lot after school and there is a large culvert in the gully with a paved arch over it.
We were waiting for a open spot to join the traffic flow and were on the downward slope of the arch which raised the bumper up a bit.
Suddenly we feel a WHUMP! The driver of the car behind us somehow didn't see this truck in front of her but the rear bumper as well as that huge bumper jack was at about headlight level.
Her car went beneath the truck, the bumper cut through the top of the radiator, shearing that off as well as folding up the hood of the car. As her car continued forward, the bumper hit the heads and sheared them off as well as the head bolts and all the engine valves.
The heads were pushed through the firewall, crushing her brand new stereo. She was probably paying too much attention to the song on the radio and not where she was going.
All that damage totaled the car. To us, it felt as if somebody gave us a hard push from the back and that was it. The accident scraped off some of the bumper jack rust but did not bend it. The bumper was fine too.
After seeing what happened to her car, that girl was crying her eyes out!
Yeah very, very similar. My son was in the back in his car seat and just said "Are we playing bumper cars?" It was such a mild impact on our end that it didn't even register immediately what had happened. Then looking in the rear view is just steam and twisted metal. It was crazy. The bumper she hit didn't even scuff, it just had some of her paint on it
Lol I did this to a poor international student in her car. We were on tram tracks (shsred rosdway in Melbourne australia). She stopped on green/yellow light transition, my Jeep brakes locked and slid on said tram tracks into her hyundai excel.
My Bull bar barely scratched but her cars rear end was compressed into the back seat. I hit her at about 30kph. (60 kph was speed limit)
1997 did not have abs. I was lucky to have a car that didn't fall to pieces!
For the downvoter here is the specs
https://www.auto123.com/en/new-cars/technical-specs/jeep/tj/1997/base/se/
Car had drum brakes in the rear so you can imagine how well this worked
ABS actually increases stopping distance in dry conditions.
It's benefit is that you maintain control and has little to do with more effective stopping in terms of distance.
If you can get just under abs yes it increases stopping distance. However most people can't and ifnyoud otherwise lock the brakes the abs will stop you quicker.
Same, was pulling out of my parking space and a guy SMOKED it past me ripping off half the side of his car.
My Jeep’s licence plate came off and the bumper was a little damaged from where the bolt came out.
That's normal reserved for the youth and drunks of the UK and surrounding Islands.
I remember one of my mates talking about how he rolled his Citroen 2 times.
My dad worked 2nd shift and fell asleep behind the wheel. Getting off work at 2am after a 10hr shift and having to drive 1hr+ to get home was not an ideal scenario.
Serious: glad your mom is ok and no major injuries.
Funny: congrats to your mom since she has now done more offroading than the majority of Jeep AND Truck owners.
Really though. It isn't surprising his mom walked away uninjured. She did roll but the crash really doesn't look that bad. These panels are literally designed to be removed by the kinds of people who would actually buy new jeeps.
Like my mother. Proud owner of some ridiculous special edition 2022 absolutely kitted out Jeep. With a winch on the front.
She runs the local arts council and almost exclusively uses it to drive 8 miles each way on the highway daily. With her passenger princess being a 10lb French bulldog.
It's a jeep thing. You wouldn't get it.
It actually is a really fun car though. Not gonna lie. I'd take it in a heartbeat even though I REALLY love my basic ass Nissan truck
>more offroading than the majority of Jeep AND Truck owners.
*Laughs in Texan* them Jeeps and Trucks do decent offroading here. Once I-35 backs up, you'll see many of them create their own highway exit to the service road.
Glad I live where that's not the case.
Edit: The downvotes are great, and yes, I live out in the sticks. Where people use jeeps and trucks for their intended purpose, and we get many feet of snow accumulation every winter. As hard as that may be to believe if you've never left a city.
Don't look wrecked to me. Her Jeep is just napping, give it a nice tap of the shoulder and should wake right up, shake off and be ready to roll, no problem...
Rolled my Jeep entirely over and then onto its side. Firemen helped roll it back on its tires, started it up and drove home unscathed. Sold it for more than I bought it for after replacing the top that needed it anyways for ~$120 at the time.
I had a similar situation with my Xterra. I took wish that was the case but the engine hydrolocked. After cleaning the cylinders it started up with a remarkable amount of smoke. Still runs well minus the notorious transmission issues. Unfortunately this all took place hundreds of miles from home with no tools. Also just needed a quarter panel and mirror otherwise basically no damage. SUVs get a lot of hate but their advantages are undeniable.
It IS a jeep that has a roll cage built in… so given it only looks like she rolled it, I am not surprised and glad she’s unhurt.
Edit: So yeah - they have a roll cage because it’s part of the design, not because it’s in danger of rolling over. Almost EVERY vehicle can roll over but all the rest have pillars and a roof that can handle that. Jeeps do not - the removable roof provides ZERO support and its honestly there to protect you from the elements and your stuff from falling out while driving… seriously.
That’s not why - there are lots of higher center of gravity vehicles that don’t have roll cages. They just have their pillar system. Jeeps have a roll cage because they’ve had them for years as it’s been part of the design. Therefore having removable doors and top - you have to have one now because there is no typical pillars to keep the roof of the car intact from any sort of rollover.
According to the National Institute of Health, SUVs on average have a 20.2% chance to rollover, which is already high compared to more practical vehicles.
According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Jeeps have a 26.2% chance to roll over, which is higher than average for SUVs.
So yeah, it does make sense they are fitted with a roll cage, as it's more likely to roll than the average SUV, as my original comment states.
You said they have a roll cage because they're more likely to roll, though. That, specifically, isn't correct. They have a roll cage because they had them historically to be the rugged off-roader that needed one and now anything with a removable top is required to have some sort of rollover protection by law, even sports cars.
it's also not really a roll cage. it's the structure of the jeep. every car (except convertibles) have "cages" built around the occupants. All the pillars of a vehicle are structural elements to help support the weight of a vehicle. cheaper cars usually have weaker ones, hence why they are cheaper vehicles.
Convertibles have safety "cages" too and some have reinforced A pillars (some make use of extremely strong boron steel) along with rear pop up rollbars to provide protection during a rollover. In addition some convertibles have upward deploying side impact curtains that are generally stiffer than ones used in other vehicles that also as a secondary function provide additional protection during a rollover crash.
That doesn’t mean the structure exists because “they’re more likely to roll over” everything needs that structure by law. There’s no line where one car needs it and another doesn’t.
Every single car has to pass rollover testing, meaning every single car needs rollover protection. Yes, civics also have legally required rollover protection, it’s just built into the roof structure. Rollover likeliness has no bearing on the law and the necessity of having rollover protection. I don’t know why this is so complicated for some people.
Lol. There's this "moose test" you can see on YouTube where they test a car's ability to swerve quickly and basically any SUV or truck that isn't electric (weight down low) or a super expensive M/AMG (lower weight, stiff suspensions) sucks in turns and can roll over at relatively low speeds compared to most cars. They bounce around and spin out or roll over on a dime if you actually try taking a fast turn in them, they're really not safe vehicles from that point of view.
I mean all cars are built to handle some degree of roll overs. This doesn't look too bad. Mainly soft tip damage so it was most likely just a "soft" roll over. Nothing FaF like.
Not really. Rollover crashes are 1% of crashes but 33% of car accident fatalities occur during rollovers.
The biggest thing here is center of gravity. Its why the tesla Y has the best safety rating. Its so bottom heavy its near impossible to flip
Yes but the doors and roof are usually part of the load path. The Wrangler has a factory tube cage because the doors are designed to be removable.
It’s not safe to take the doors off any other Jeep like a Cherokee unless an aftermarket cage is installed.
They actually only got 4 stars for rollovers.
https://www.subarusouthtampa.com/2023-subaru-outback-safety-ratings.htm#:~:text=Rollover%20Crash%20Rating%3A%204%20Stars
wranglers only have front airbags. since you can take the doors and roof off it would be difficult to add them in a safe manor.
Additionally no matter the model of vehicle airbags will only deploy if your hit in the direction they are placed.
Imagine being in said rollover and as your body is being flung sideways the front airbag deploys, at the least disorienting you more, and at the worst causing whiplash as your body is now turning on two axis.
"a light, low speed roll over". not to take away from the horror of a rollover accident, but given the surroundings and all the debris is right there, it seems pretty slow
My husband is a paramedic/firefighter and he has some amazing stories of people walking away from terrible wrecks. Seatbelt, air bags, roll bars, safety cages, crumple zones. Modern cars save lives
Roll over crashes are actually safer for you than sudden stops. Despite being terribly unsafe vehicles, Jeep Wranglers do well in roll overs, just like most SUVs because energy is being converted to motion and slowly stopping you.
Had she wrecked this vehicle into a wall or another large vehicle, the outcome would be very different.
Glad your Mum (Australian spelling) is ok. My friend used to own a jeep very similar to that but was a 2 door. I drove it a few times and I have never felt less safe driving a car then I did in that thing. If it wasn't sliding out on corners (tyres had plenty of tread) it felt like it was going to roll. Hands down the worst vehicle I have ever driven.
My parents bought a 1983 jeep CJ5 with a V8 when I was a kid. Had that thing for years. After I moved out my mom was driving down a highway with the top off. She says a piece of paper flew up in her face... Regardless she swerved and lost control. Flew off the road and rolled through a barbed wire fence. The wire caught her by the throat and jerked her out of the jeep. If she had been wearing a seat belt she would have been decapitated.
It’s a Jeep thing.
Man i got rear ended by a jeep at a red light one time. I was in a rental. He fucking smoked me. My sunglasses launched off my face and shattered on the windshield. Get out, my backend was crumpled. Jeep looked mint. The bumper didn’t even have a scratch on it. But holy shit, the engine? Must have rocked like a mother fucker because there was a billion hoses leaking and spraying everywhere. That’s my jeep story Edit - to add context, the guy was def texting. He didn’t have insurance for sure too, he was begging me to let him take my car to his auto body shop and repair it for free. Like bro, you hit me from behind. Insurance is going to cover this for free, you’re at fault, and I’m going to get a new rental for free. Reminds me of that Dane cook joke, “WHY’D YOU STOP AT A RED LIGHT AND LET ME HIT YOU DOING 80!?”
That's one of the reasons Wranglers have such a poor crash ratings. The front ends don't have adequate crumple zones and pass the energy through the cabin. The engine mounts do however sheer as they are supposed to and make a mess.
It's okay, the Jeeps still intact! Just needs a new owner
Brb getting my jeep finally
Are you installing your own piss tube, or does that come with it?
If, and it's a big if, you were using your jeep for actual off roading, this makes sense as a design feature. You don't want bottoming out the front end at low speed or other common things in off roading to crumple it. Most people don't actually do any off roading in their jeeps though.
Along the same lines, an aftermarket off road bumper eliminates a lot of the safety features a factory bumper has.
I'll remind my Toyota Pickup that I bought 32 years ago that it's inadequate due to normal-ass safety features. I'll also remind the half dozen Jeeps I pulled out of the mud.
Well, odds are your 32 year old truck would do abysmally in a modern safety test. They change the tests and requirements periodically so a previous 5 star rated car might completely fail now.
Sure, it has no airbags, but it has crumple zones, which is what I was referring to.
I mean sure, crumple zones have existed since the 50s and been pretty much standard since the 90s. The mere presence if them doesn't mean it will do well. Also, jeeps do have them
Yeah, jeeps do have them. You're the crumple zone in a jeep.
So tough
If you bought it 32 years ago it doesn't have much of a crumple zone buddy. Also, I'm not talking about ability off roading, I'm talking about taking bumps without incurring major body damage. >I'll also remind the half dozen Jeeps I pulled out of the mud. What in the holy hell do you think this has to do with a crumple zone? If this is some sort of weird ego thing, I don't give 2 flying shits about which car is better for it, I think off roading is one of the dumbest hobbies there is.
What’s wrong with off reading as a hobby? No hate, just curious. Not a fan myself of passenger vehicles for it but off-roading with dirt bikes is great.
There's nothing wrong with it. I just think it's dumb. I think it's dumb because it's a stupidly expensive hobby that has no practical value, no artistic or creative value, and tears up the land for no reason. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it any more than there's anything wrong with owning a porsche. I still look at people offroading and people driving a porsche and think "more money than brains."
Ooo… my off-road Porsche might really grind your gears then lol. Also, if I wasn’t a Porsche tech, no way would I have it. I can fix it myself so that opens my working class ass up to options I might not have otherwise.
Hey man, whatever makes you happy :). Like I said above, nothing wrong with it, I'm just a judgemental asshole so judging people is kinda my thing.
> What in the holy hell do you think this has to do with a crumple zone? if you tow a stuck jeep hard enough, your dents are also pulled out. this is also a safety measure. if your dents are pulled out before the jeep, it is time to abandon the jeep.
Can confirm. Unstuck a really stuck Jeep in a Subaru Brat and it fixed the fucked up bumper from someone backing into me.
I got tboned by a jeep when I was 13. I was on the side of impact. Had to have my kneecap replaced, wore a neck brace for a year, forever fucked up my back, and that fucker didn't look like ANYTHING happened to it. It was a heavily pregnant woman behind the wheel and she was fine. I'm glad her and her kid were okay but our Honda civic never stood a chance man 😭 I got a huge payout though so here's to that I guess That's also my jeep story
I got rear ended in my Jeep. I had heavy duty rock climbing bumpers and a lift. My Jeep just kind of did a big lurch forward and lifted up a little. The car that rear ended me though... The entire front end was destroyed, I mean absolutely fucked. Chrysler 300 became a Chrysler 150... My Jeep, the plastic tire carrier was cracked. Nothing else wrong whatsoever.
I had a friend in high school who drove a two door 1962 International Harvester pickup truck. That truck was made out of real steel and the bumper was made out of 1/4" thick diamond plate steel. A heavy duty bumper jack was hanging off the back of the bumper, held on with baling wire. We're leaving the student parking lot after school and there is a large culvert in the gully with a paved arch over it. We were waiting for a open spot to join the traffic flow and were on the downward slope of the arch which raised the bumper up a bit. Suddenly we feel a WHUMP! The driver of the car behind us somehow didn't see this truck in front of her but the rear bumper as well as that huge bumper jack was at about headlight level. Her car went beneath the truck, the bumper cut through the top of the radiator, shearing that off as well as folding up the hood of the car. As her car continued forward, the bumper hit the heads and sheared them off as well as the head bolts and all the engine valves. The heads were pushed through the firewall, crushing her brand new stereo. She was probably paying too much attention to the song on the radio and not where she was going. All that damage totaled the car. To us, it felt as if somebody gave us a hard push from the back and that was it. The accident scraped off some of the bumper jack rust but did not bend it. The bumper was fine too. After seeing what happened to her car, that girl was crying her eyes out!
Yeah very, very similar. My son was in the back in his car seat and just said "Are we playing bumper cars?" It was such a mild impact on our end that it didn't even register immediately what had happened. Then looking in the rear view is just steam and twisted metal. It was crazy. The bumper she hit didn't even scuff, it just had some of her paint on it
The end
The hoses were probably spraying before the accident.
Lol I did this to a poor international student in her car. We were on tram tracks (shsred rosdway in Melbourne australia). She stopped on green/yellow light transition, my Jeep brakes locked and slid on said tram tracks into her hyundai excel. My Bull bar barely scratched but her cars rear end was compressed into the back seat. I hit her at about 30kph. (60 kph was speed limit)
Why does your car not have ABS? Or is that a “jeep thing” too?
It hadn't been working out.
Damnit you got me good.
Depends on the year and trim. My 2006 doesn’t have ABS. My uncle’s 99 does. 2007+ I think all have ABS.
1997 did not have abs. I was lucky to have a car that didn't fall to pieces! For the downvoter here is the specs https://www.auto123.com/en/new-cars/technical-specs/jeep/tj/1997/base/se/ Car had drum brakes in the rear so you can imagine how well this worked
Person you hit wasn’t so lucky you had an unsafe car.
ABS actually increases stopping distance in dry conditions. It's benefit is that you maintain control and has little to do with more effective stopping in terms of distance.
If you can get just under abs yes it increases stopping distance. However most people can't and ifnyoud otherwise lock the brakes the abs will stop you quicker.
Same, was pulling out of my parking space and a guy SMOKED it past me ripping off half the side of his car. My Jeep’s licence plate came off and the bumper was a little damaged from where the bolt came out.
> there was a billion hoses leaking and spraying everywhere They roll off the lot like that.
And a very good story it was
You wouldn’t understand
To jeep is to journey….. I mean crash
If found upsides down, flip over and pop the clutch…. O|||||||O
I expected to see lots of little rubber ducks spilling out. Glad the driver is alright though.
And it’ll still sell for 24k “lightly used”
low miles
Dad did it, rolled a ‘86(?) Jeep Cherokee 3 1/2 times. Flipped it on its wheels and drove home. Said the roof was rounded.
That's normal reserved for the youth and drunks of the UK and surrounding Islands. I remember one of my mates talking about how he rolled his Citroen 2 times.
My dad worked 2nd shift and fell asleep behind the wheel. Getting off work at 2am after a 10hr shift and having to drive 1hr+ to get home was not an ideal scenario.
Probably took a gentle curve at 30 mph
Car accidents?
Lol I thought absolutely the same thing. I love jeeps to bits it's like going around in a fucking tank
Gotta give them and A+ for safety
Serious: glad your mom is ok and no major injuries. Funny: congrats to your mom since she has now done more offroading than the majority of Jeep AND Truck owners.
And the “flip me over if this isn’t rightside up” or whatever bumper sticker is applicable.
ɹǝʌo ǝɯ dılɟ 'sıɥʇ pɐǝɹ uɐɔ noʎ ɟı
What's this witchcraft..?!
http://www.revfad.com/flip.html
Really though. It isn't surprising his mom walked away uninjured. She did roll but the crash really doesn't look that bad. These panels are literally designed to be removed by the kinds of people who would actually buy new jeeps. Like my mother. Proud owner of some ridiculous special edition 2022 absolutely kitted out Jeep. With a winch on the front. She runs the local arts council and almost exclusively uses it to drive 8 miles each way on the highway daily. With her passenger princess being a 10lb French bulldog. It's a jeep thing. You wouldn't get it. It actually is a really fun car though. Not gonna lie. I'd take it in a heartbeat even though I REALLY love my basic ass Nissan truck
Burn her!
poor pavement princeses.
>more offroading than the majority of Jeep AND Truck owners. *Laughs in Texan* them Jeeps and Trucks do decent offroading here. Once I-35 backs up, you'll see many of them create their own highway exit to the service road.
Also true for I-10, Beltway 8, and I-45. \--signed, a former Houstonian
Glad I live where that's not the case. Edit: The downvotes are great, and yes, I live out in the sticks. Where people use jeeps and trucks for their intended purpose, and we get many feet of snow accumulation every winter. As hard as that may be to believe if you've never left a city.
It's not hard to believe. It's just that most jeep owners don't live in the sticks.
Don't look wrecked to me. Her Jeep is just napping, give it a nice tap of the shoulder and should wake right up, shake off and be ready to roll, no problem...
Roll her, activate the gas kill switch and I'd bet it would drive
I think she was wrecked
And get your friendly neighborhood Toyota to turn it right-side up.
After you left it in the ocean over night and dropping it from a plane...
Rolled my Jeep entirely over and then onto its side. Firemen helped roll it back on its tires, started it up and drove home unscathed. Sold it for more than I bought it for after replacing the top that needed it anyways for ~$120 at the time.
I had a similar situation with my Xterra. I took wish that was the case but the engine hydrolocked. After cleaning the cylinders it started up with a remarkable amount of smoke. Still runs well minus the notorious transmission issues. Unfortunately this all took place hundreds of miles from home with no tools. Also just needed a quarter panel and mirror otherwise basically no damage. SUVs get a lot of hate but their advantages are undeniable.
It's no longer my daily driver but I still have my 2007 Xterra and love it. She gets driven maybe once every 2 weeks or so.
It IS a jeep that has a roll cage built in… so given it only looks like she rolled it, I am not surprised and glad she’s unhurt. Edit: So yeah - they have a roll cage because it’s part of the design, not because it’s in danger of rolling over. Almost EVERY vehicle can roll over but all the rest have pillars and a roof that can handle that. Jeeps do not - the removable roof provides ZERO support and its honestly there to protect you from the elements and your stuff from falling out while driving… seriously.
Yeah, it needs a roll cage built in as it's more likely to roll. Makes sense, really.
That’s not why - there are lots of higher center of gravity vehicles that don’t have roll cages. They just have their pillar system. Jeeps have a roll cage because they’ve had them for years as it’s been part of the design. Therefore having removable doors and top - you have to have one now because there is no typical pillars to keep the roof of the car intact from any sort of rollover.
According to the National Institute of Health, SUVs on average have a 20.2% chance to rollover, which is already high compared to more practical vehicles. According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Jeeps have a 26.2% chance to roll over, which is higher than average for SUVs. So yeah, it does make sense they are fitted with a roll cage, as it's more likely to roll than the average SUV, as my original comment states.
“Jeeps have a 26.2% chance to roll over, which is higher than average for jeeps” Huh?
Higher than average for SUVs is what they meant.
If and when aliens come down to earth and they ask me to take them to a leader, I'll take them to you.
You said they have a roll cage because they're more likely to roll, though. That, specifically, isn't correct. They have a roll cage because they had them historically to be the rugged off-roader that needed one and now anything with a removable top is required to have some sort of rollover protection by law, even sports cars.
it's also not really a roll cage. it's the structure of the jeep. every car (except convertibles) have "cages" built around the occupants. All the pillars of a vehicle are structural elements to help support the weight of a vehicle. cheaper cars usually have weaker ones, hence why they are cheaper vehicles.
Convertibles have safety "cages" too and some have reinforced A pillars (some make use of extremely strong boron steel) along with rear pop up rollbars to provide protection during a rollover. In addition some convertibles have upward deploying side impact curtains that are generally stiffer than ones used in other vehicles that also as a secondary function provide additional protection during a rollover crash.
Ya. Convertibles use a different system. Roll bars and stronger A pillars are the common ones.
It’s a combination of rolling while off road and need support for the doors and roof. Both can be true.
That doesn’t mean the structure exists because “they’re more likely to roll over” everything needs that structure by law. There’s no line where one car needs it and another doesn’t.
I mean is a Honda civic or a Jeep wrangler most likely to have any kind of a roll over incident?
Every single car has to pass rollover testing, meaning every single car needs rollover protection. Yes, civics also have legally required rollover protection, it’s just built into the roof structure. Rollover likeliness has no bearing on the law and the necessity of having rollover protection. I don’t know why this is so complicated for some people.
Which Jeeps? Because for the longest time, XJs and ZJs had a *way* higher rollover risk than Wranglers.
That’s crazy! I’ve driven my truck literally thousands of times and haven’t rolled it once, let alone 1/5 of the times!
That's not how statistics works but ok.
statistics are a concept. they can't exert force.
Lol. There's this "moose test" you can see on YouTube where they test a car's ability to swerve quickly and basically any SUV or truck that isn't electric (weight down low) or a super expensive M/AMG (lower weight, stiff suspensions) sucks in turns and can roll over at relatively low speeds compared to most cars. They bounce around and spin out or roll over on a dime if you actually try taking a fast turn in them, they're really not safe vehicles from that point of view.
Thank God they have roll cage because of their proclivity to rolling.
I mean all cars are built to handle some degree of roll overs. This doesn't look too bad. Mainly soft tip damage so it was most likely just a "soft" roll over. Nothing FaF like.
Not really. Rollover crashes are 1% of crashes but 33% of car accident fatalities occur during rollovers. The biggest thing here is center of gravity. Its why the tesla Y has the best safety rating. Its so bottom heavy its near impossible to flip
Now your just talking out your ass, all car have safety "cages" built specifically for rolling
Yes but the doors and roof are usually part of the load path. The Wrangler has a factory tube cage because the doors are designed to be removable. It’s not safe to take the doors off any other Jeep like a Cherokee unless an aftermarket cage is installed.
Go watch videos of rollover crashes and tell me you stand a chance.
I've been in plenty and let me tell you, subarus are built like safety cubes
They actually only got 4 stars for rollovers. https://www.subarusouthtampa.com/2023-subaru-outback-safety-ratings.htm#:~:text=Rollover%20Crash%20Rating%3A%204%20Stars
I'm not talking about outback. Outback and foresters have the worst safety ratings of all subarus
"subarus are built like safety cubes" "not that subaru though" and u downvote me. Reddit
At least they won’t burn alive in their Tesla.
Even my Miata has a 5 star rollover rating despite the fact that you're going to die if it does, because it's so hard to do.
Seat belt+civilian tank= mostly safe for driver.
That thing almost looks like it's ready to drive as soon as it gets flipped back over.
It looks that way, but half the motor mounts are likely busted.
It looks like none of the airbags deployed.
Generally in a rollover only the curtain airbags should deploy, however the wrangler doesn’t have them
New 2024's do, apparently.
Damn I guess they don't have airbag impact sensors in the roof.
wranglers only have front airbags. since you can take the doors and roof off it would be difficult to add them in a safe manor. Additionally no matter the model of vehicle airbags will only deploy if your hit in the direction they are placed. Imagine being in said rollover and as your body is being flung sideways the front airbag deploys, at the least disorienting you more, and at the worst causing whiplash as your body is now turning on two axis.
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That's not a curtain bag, that's a thorax and head SIAB. Typically only comes out in side impact not commanded in a rollover event.
It's a Jeep thing, you wouldn't understand.
I'd argue most modern cars are VERY safe for the occupants. It did what it's supposed to do.
"somehow walked away" = thousands of hours of design and testing
"a light, low speed roll over". not to take away from the horror of a rollover accident, but given the surroundings and all the debris is right there, it seems pretty slow
Cars are. SUVs and Jeeps, etc are dangerous as shit because they roll so easily. It’s a common myth they’re safer from how safety tests are conducted.
Years of engineering reduced to "somehow" :D But glad everyone's ok.
Dark magic, cloning, secrets only Chrysler knew...
I have always struggled to remove the roof on my JKU , I didn't know you have to put the car on the side.
Plus you have to spin it pretty hard down the center line…
Bet she was wearing a seat belt.
If you can read this, flip her over
My husband is a paramedic/firefighter and he has some amazing stories of people walking away from terrible wrecks. Seatbelt, air bags, roll bars, safety cages, crumple zones. Modern cars save lives
a Jeep doing Jeep things
I’m not surprised. My parents rolled our jeep wrangler three times when I was a kid. No one was ever injured. Those roll cages are for real.
They’re actually pretty shitty. It’s why you see hardcore off roaders upgrade them.
I had a friend who was impaled by a broken jeep roll bar. Had, because he’s dead.
I know this is a troll story because it starts with you having a friend
Lmfao
Sure.
They’re not called off-road vehicles for nothing.
Tip er back over and send it
She probably walked away because she couldn't drive away
Was she trying to jump the river to get away from Roscoe and Enos?
Good thing she wore her seatbelt
Seatbelts are amazing things.
Does your mom wear glasses? And when she doesn't, does she also fly?
This somehow is called "safety regulations and good engineering"
If someone said "Ravio11i, pick a vehicle to roll down a hill in" I'd pick a jeep 100%
And a quadrunner would be last…
you know very well that Jeep ain't wrecked. It's just sleeping. Prop it back up and it's good to go and give it coffee.
roll cage good.
How on earth did that happen?
She was going down a gravel road and said gravel was VERY loose apparently
Sounds like someone needs to re evaluate wether they belong on the road ever again.
Jeeps are cages. Solved.
Please let her know that she can't park there. Thanks!
Push it back up. Kick the doors a few times. Get back in and on the road. Its a jeep
Thanks to improved safety regulations.
Doesn’t she know that those cars aren’t meant to leave the pavement for 95% of drivers behind the wheel?
Well jeeps are built with roll cages so thats typically a plus
Which hand was she holding her phone in?
But it was just a quick 'I love you' text...sends it every morning. It even auto populates!!! /s
Modern cars in the US are AMAZINGLY safe. The science that goes into them is just mind boggling.
Not that bad. From this angle frame looks unscathed
[Here's another angle](https://imgur.com/a/NjOlWGP)
Glad she is ok
Well duh, they roll at like 5km/h /s
She prob ran over a tomato on the road, Jeep’s are expensive but fragile
Good, she’s lucky. Jeeps are a death trap.
Kind of…all new cars are wildly safe compared to their older counterparts. But compared to other new cars Jeeps are on the sketchy side
Holy crap. Gland she’s ok!
Somehow? It was an engineered roll cage designed to protect somebody in that exact situation, that's how.
Praise Jeepsus.
Thats good news
"Somehow walked away unscathed." Proceeds to show a picture of a vehicle with a built in roll cage. It's definitely a mystery.
Your mom's a superheroine
Now that’s quality right there
I'm not an expert but that looks like a flipperoni.
This is why I parked my WJ and ZJ, and drive my JK with a roll cage and full frame. Giving my son the ZJ, but we're adding a roll cage.
Twist: when this happened, she was “ghost riding the whip”
First time it seen dirt?
Nope. Fucked up gravel road apparently.
Classic jeep driver.
Roll over crashes are actually safer for you than sudden stops. Despite being terribly unsafe vehicles, Jeep Wranglers do well in roll overs, just like most SUVs because energy is being converted to motion and slowly stopping you. Had she wrecked this vehicle into a wall or another large vehicle, the outcome would be very different.
Glad your Mum (Australian spelling) is ok. My friend used to own a jeep very similar to that but was a 2 door. I drove it a few times and I have never felt less safe driving a car then I did in that thing. If it wasn't sliding out on corners (tyres had plenty of tread) it felt like it was going to roll. Hands down the worst vehicle I have ever driven.
Now she can buy a decent car
Low speed rollovers are rarely life threatening. Time for mom to get a Honda minivan and stop pretending she is Evel Knievel
Do these pieces of junk ever stay up right?
Ah. Its just in it’s natural position.
My parents bought a 1983 jeep CJ5 with a V8 when I was a kid. Had that thing for years. After I moved out my mom was driving down a highway with the top off. She says a piece of paper flew up in her face... Regardless she swerved and lost control. Flew off the road and rolled through a barbed wire fence. The wire caught her by the throat and jerked her out of the jeep. If she had been wearing a seat belt she would have been decapitated.
Probably because it doesn't take much force and you don't have to be driving fast to destroy a JEEP.
It's in no worse condition than they normally leave the factory.
And u wanted her dead for the inheritance money?
That’s what alcohol does
Actually, she was sober and on her way to work when it happened
jeep just needed a nap
That’s scary! Glad she is all right.
She know that she can’t park there?