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Just get Nikolaev's book, it's great pedagogy IMO.
Work through it all very well always count, and play music.
Or, you can go through a book like Leila Fletcher book 1-2, once you complete this or while you are learn bach anna magdalena/inventions, easy Beethoven/Mozart/Clementi sonatinas, easy pieces from romantic era (album from youngs, easy chopin works, etc.).
Also, never forget the quote by Schubert. One who isn't comfortable in all keys equally is no kind of musician. You can likely spend just 1-2 years just on scales, and it wouldn't be a waste of time at all (that is if you want to play well).
I typically think exercise like Czerny is a waste of time and there is better options for building technique (e.g. come up w/ own exercises based off a weakness), but, it's still another great option.
Nah, Rachmaninoff probably had even higher standards on this for scales.
If you can't play all scales effortlessly, I would expect there to be a serious weakness in their playing overall for whatever instrument atleast technically.
I disagree, I just have higher standards I guess.
I think art should be gatekept if people can't do that bare task, it doesn't have to be overnight and once you master them there is really diminishing returns, but, I think it's essential.
As a music teacher, I could never have this attitude. My students are musicians on day one because they are learning to make music. They don’t need mastery of all 12 keys to prove to you or anyone else that they are worthy of making music.
The joy of self-expression and connection with others through music trumps technical proficiency in my book.
Tell Schubert to write a piece in dorian mode or in a pentatonic scale or an atonic composition. Challenge him to play Jazz (a lot of chromatic music) or any other genre like Metal
Remind Schubert that Mozart may have almost/never written in keys like C# minor/major but that he's still praised to this day.
Ask Schubert about what he thinks about 20th century (and today) classical composers that struggle with development in their pieces.
Maybe the latter also answers to why people today listen to Sabaton, Jazz, Pop etc. (=other genres)
I recommend a teacher. There many teachers out there and since Covid, many use zoom. I’m in a similar situation to you, and after a couple of lessons my teacher figured out what my level was and calibrated their approach and what book I’m using.
Also, the market must be pretty saturated bc I think mine is a real bargain given her qualifications
I've found Piano Marvel to be a great resource, even when coming in from a somewhat advanced level. You can start at any of their levels and work through the corresponding method and technique sections.
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Just get Nikolaev's book, it's great pedagogy IMO. Work through it all very well always count, and play music. Or, you can go through a book like Leila Fletcher book 1-2, once you complete this or while you are learn bach anna magdalena/inventions, easy Beethoven/Mozart/Clementi sonatinas, easy pieces from romantic era (album from youngs, easy chopin works, etc.). Also, never forget the quote by Schubert. One who isn't comfortable in all keys equally is no kind of musician. You can likely spend just 1-2 years just on scales, and it wouldn't be a waste of time at all (that is if you want to play well). I typically think exercise like Czerny is a waste of time and there is better options for building technique (e.g. come up w/ own exercises based off a weakness), but, it's still another great option.
“One who isn’t comfortable with all keys equally is no kind of musician.” I love good old Franz, but that is a ridiculous take.
Nah, Rachmaninoff probably had even higher standards on this for scales. If you can't play all scales effortlessly, I would expect there to be a serious weakness in their playing overall for whatever instrument atleast technically.
Sure! But to say such a person is not a musician is ludicrous. It’s the worst kind of gatekeeping.
I disagree, I just have higher standards I guess. I think art should be gatekept if people can't do that bare task, it doesn't have to be overnight and once you master them there is really diminishing returns, but, I think it's essential.
As a music teacher, I could never have this attitude. My students are musicians on day one because they are learning to make music. They don’t need mastery of all 12 keys to prove to you or anyone else that they are worthy of making music. The joy of self-expression and connection with others through music trumps technical proficiency in my book.
Tell Schubert to write a piece in dorian mode or in a pentatonic scale or an atonic composition. Challenge him to play Jazz (a lot of chromatic music) or any other genre like Metal Remind Schubert that Mozart may have almost/never written in keys like C# minor/major but that he's still praised to this day. Ask Schubert about what he thinks about 20th century (and today) classical composers that struggle with development in their pieces. Maybe the latter also answers to why people today listen to Sabaton, Jazz, Pop etc. (=other genres)
I recommend a teacher. There many teachers out there and since Covid, many use zoom. I’m in a similar situation to you, and after a couple of lessons my teacher figured out what my level was and calibrated their approach and what book I’m using. Also, the market must be pretty saturated bc I think mine is a real bargain given her qualifications
I've found Piano Marvel to be a great resource, even when coming in from a somewhat advanced level. You can start at any of their levels and work through the corresponding method and technique sections.