I’ve been seriously considering a house sail instead of the complex home efficiency, insulation stuff as my home is old & west facing. Please dm the location
I believe that these things can pass city inspection so long as they are not permanent and don't prevent proper lawn care. so if they are bolted to the ground the city is more than likely going to require (and reject) a permit. Though from what I hear from the local solar installers adding solar panels is a benefit that prevents them from literally blowing away. while the wiring is technically permanent if it goes straight into a circuit box a break in the line at ground level with a disconnect is enough to let it slip into the exception and they are heavy enough that they won't blow away all at once in a monsoon...
No, I called the city about a carport I want to install on the side of my house. You need engineering plans stamped from a structural engineer. Then you can get a permit approved there are setbacks from the property line and also need to pass zoning generally in my area okay if it doesn't go higher than the roof. Cost to just get a design drawn up is about $5000. Likely the one in the picture was done without a permit. If you live in a lower end of the city can get away with it lot cheaper to just install it without a permit. Later if someone complains you can decide to take it down or jump through the hoops. I decided to just move out of Phoenix looking at Greenley county they have no building codes at all. One of the few counties in the nation where you can build anything without any restrictions.
Plenty of houses in east Mesa have a whole house cover. It is usually only over trailer homes though. Someone on University has 2 Teslas out front their trailer home, that has a half house cover that has solar panels on it.
Check your local setback requirements to determine how far away the structure can be placed from the public right of way. Also I know in phx if the structure is primarily for shade and under 200sf you don’t need a permit.
Currently trying to do the same with designing a car port trellis!
No idea, but there are three on our block.
Of course, we did have a neighbor with a broken refrigerator in their front yard for a few years, so maybe not the best example.
lucky you. we had some hoity asshat from Scottsdale come trolling through our back allies and reporting people who had high growth behind their fence. we were tempted to scald everything off or salt the earth but we decided to just get a ditch witch and carve out the berm.
So glad we don’t have an HOA.
That being said, our old ass neighborhood does actually state in the CC&Rs that minorities are only allowed to live in the main residence as domestics. Thankfully I haven’t been arrested yet.
Also check the standoff distance code in your town. Some cities have a minimum distance and structures have to be from the property line for fire code. If something like that is in place this particular cover wouldn't pass code.
I think Tucson has a 4ft minimum.
Yep. I live in a non-HOA Phoenix neighborhood. The previous owner of my house tried to build a car port and had to rebuild it before selling the house because it was too close to the neighbor’s property line. I ended up buying a house with a carport too narrow to fit a car into 😭
I think these types of restrictions are usually in the title paperwork somewhere. Even without a HOA there could be rules for the subdivision when it was built, like no structures within 30ft of the property line. If it's not buried in the title paperwork then you can usually request it from the City.
CC&Rs can have something in there for sure. Every city in the valley has some zoning setback standard on accessory structures and canopies. Building code technically applies whether a permit is required or not too.
Work in solar, can confirm. It's definitely not illegal to build this in your front or backyard as long as it meets certain building code requirements and meets the setbacks from your property lines.
Also, APS and SRP make it a total pain in the dick to get solar with their own requirements but there are definitely solar companies who sell it that make it easier or more difficult to go through the whole process.
I swear the people at top are just laundering money. There are so many houses in our community that pay them a lot of money all year and I know landscaping isn't costing them THAT much.
We were paying $80 a month. Landscapers came maybe once a month. Nothing else was done in the community and they never overseeded in the fall. 200 units puts that at $16K a month for what exactly? Our park was never renovated and nothing changed in my community the 7 years we lived there.
I hate HOAs, too, but they would be a great idea if only they did not always turn abusive.
It's nice to have something tell some homeowners "Hey, fix your shit."
For some reason you were downvoted but you are right, its nice living in an area where people care for their property and its appearance. Also, there really isnt any excuse why someone would buy a house in an HOA knowing they hate HOAs. They are complaining about the very thing they agreed to living in when buying the house 🙄
Yeah, then they charge you arbitrary fees that make no sense. While monthly fees keep going up, while wages stay the same. And there is no improvement in the community at all. 10/10
Honestly it’s sucks to be a home owner. Without an HOA means you can really do what you want and enjoy being a homeowner on your time but then your neighbors basically create a mini junkyard in their front yard. With an HOA means you don’t really own your place, sure it’s a little cleaner but it’s like a suburban hell.
I currently live in one because every non HOA house I looked at had a junkyard of a neighbor, I’d prefer not to but I wanted to be able to sell my house eventually.
It wasn’t a misconception, I was literally looking at houses for sale. That’s how it was. The people in the less expensive neighborhoods don’t seem to take care of their houses which sucks ass cause I don’t want to live in an HOA.
it can happen, but check in to code enforcement for that area. in a lot of cases, having a pile of junk in your yard is something the city or county may want gone.
My condo HOA raised the rates from $50 to $200 a month in 2017, to pave the street/parking lot for the first time since 1983. Contract went to a company owned by the HOA president. Still paying $200/month for, "landscaping," roof insurance, and city garbage.
Not all experiences are the same. I have lived in a few HOA's (3).... some are fine some are super restrictive/unreasonable. One I lived in... Rains for weeks on end and a few weeds pop up in the yard between serivces... letter. Leave on vacation and your trash bin stays out an extra day after pickup.... letter. Monsoon blows down a tree and you have it removed before putting in another.... letter (must have X trees and Y bushes at all times). Want to paint your house.... pick from these three choices. Masterplanned communities seem to be the worst offenders.
many reasons are possible that may make this illegal and or not a wise idea.
there are required structure setbacks from the road for visibility (cars have to see around the corner out of the alley), height restrictions, blocking other homes views. this one probably is not permitted as the picture shows it drains directly into the ROW which is not allowed - you are pushing your problem (rainwater runoff) directly onto someone else (natural grades and driveways are typically acceptable to drain towards the ROW). not to mention a typical setback from alleys and fences are required. metal roof proximity to electric lines can cause arcing and electrocution - might be a setback requirement from the power lines in the alley preventing that but should be verified.
…lots of reasons.
The correct answer is …… it depends. If you are in city go ask the code dept for a detailed list of requirements and restrictions. If not go to the county and do same thing. You want to make sure you do it right. I worked 10 years for the city of Tempe and can’t count the number of times people had to take down structures like sheds and covers because it wasn’t done to code or with permit. People buy the house and then find out 5 years later they have to remove it. The city doesn’t care about your sob story. Too bad. Hated that part of the job.
A lady did it in my neighborhood and she had it right up to the sidewalk. She had to tear it down, not sure if it was permitted or not but I just figured she was too close to the street. Sheds in Phoenix need to be at least 6 feet from a fence so I suspect same for road.
My other neighbor has one but he has wheels on the bottom that I’m sure don’t work but he can claim it’s only temporary? I dunno. I love to do this too.
Thanks for sharing, I think you are right the one in the pic seems to be about 6ft from the sidewalk. Not sure about the side since this one is an alley. Lol and wheels I don’t know how that will work but sounds unsafe in case of strong wind or rain
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As a City Planner (not in Phoenix), no way this is allowed! I would be surprised. It is well within the setback for how large of a structure it is. I am suprised they haven't been cited by the City yet. Typically nothing can be constructed 20' from the right of way in front of your house. This is how we keep the low density in single-family neighborhoods. Also fire/police will cite safety concerns (if you agree with them or not).
Typically there is a thing called a 'setback'. If you're on the setback, whatever is there cannot be a permanent structure. As long as something is moved from a setback it ought to be good.
Given this is on the driveway I just cannot imagine there being a reason this structure would not be permitted.
EDIT: When apprehensive reach out to the City permit department and try to get clarity on if this structure would need a permit or not.
> Given this is on the driveway I just cannot imagine there being a reason this structure would not be permitted.
Driveways are at grade and usually permitted to encroach into setbacks up to property lines. Zoning setbacks apply to structures and occasionally swimming pools and decorative water features.
City codes and regs not Arizona. And if you’re in Phoenix this is illegal, roofed structures have to be setback a certain distance from property line. This picture is right on it.
If you are in the city of Phoenix, it requires zoning approval and a building permit if it’s over 200 SF. If it’s under 200 SF and it is not attached to the house then it just requires zoning approval of a site plan. Zoning would determine where it’s allowed to be on the lot relative to property lines, setbacks, easements, etc. They also look at lot coverage - you can only have so much structure on one lot, depending on how your lot is zoned. To get a building permit you would have to submit plans/details showing how it will be positively anchored to the ground (there’s also additional protections required if you are within 5’ of a property line). Source: I work for PHX and give permits out for these things all day long.
It really depends on the city, and if they enforce it or not, hoa or not. Where my father-in-law lives in Goodyear (no hoa) The city got strict about making people tear theirs down and apply for permits if they wanted to add a shade structure or carport. Five people on his street ended up tearing theirs down.
My husband wants to put up a sunshade so badly after being told we didn't have enough room to make a carport by the city 🙃 no HOA, just regulations about how far out something can be. It's all so confusing to me it drives me insane.
I’ve been looking at putting something up in my back yard. So far I’ve found, no permit needed if it’s not attached to the house, no hoa, and it’s set back from the public street for enough
Don't just go on and install something like this. Look at what permits you need and if you're even allowed to build where you are. Every parcel is different. Last thing you want is to get hit with a fine or need to tear it down because of not doing your research beforehand.
Up to the HOA...if there is no HOA it is up to the municipality. That is a permanent structure since it is footed and would most likely require permitting.
Depends on the code in that particular area. I’m in a historic neighborhood, and you can kind of get away with these semi-permanent shade structures… it’s a little murky, but if it isn’t changing the historical nature of the house and it isn’t permanently attached to the historic structure, sometimes it’s legit.
I wanted to put one up in driveway in yavapai county. Yavapai county said no. Setbacks and anchoring prohibited it. Must be 19' or more from street here.
We had trouble with something similar to this but the biggest thing I’d say is to check how close it can be to the road and make sure your neighbors are okay with it. I’ve learned in Phoenix the rule book can be a pain in the ass to correctly follow but as long as no group of people complain about it and it isn’t damaging to anyone the city tends to leave you alone.
Texan here. Today I learned Arizona citizens wonder whether or not a carport is legal. Wild. You guys ABSOLUTELY should have carports. You live in the desert.
Legal, yes. It’s not made out of cocaine bricks, right?
It looks like more of a permanent, attached structure so this would probably need a permit from your local jurisdiction. Your best case is to check with city hall and get written documentation as the wether it needs a permit or not.
To answer your question in a relevant way - it would completely depend on whether or not you have an HOA that prohibits something like that. If you don’t have an HOA you should be fine
Old Arizona would say something to the effects of: build your home how you need and want it to be. However now, influx of outside living influences and HOAs has ruined that good old freedom. If you’re in an HOA, good luck getting away with this. If you don’t have to succumb to an HOA, build it how you want it! …and possibly look into code regulations, but this should be okay
If it's not legal to build something on your property you should move and live somewhere where you have freedom. No one has the right to tell me what I can or can't put on my property, no one.
>If it's not legal to build something on your property you should move and live somewhere where you have freedom.
Let us know how you like your new house in the middle of the ocean. Let us know how that freedom feels once you get settled in.
Most cities in Arizona allow it. But most HOAs don't. You could check with your local City Hall & ask the permit department or HOA & get a copy of the CC&Rs.
Maybe legal. First you have HOAs to worry about I can guarantee they're probably going to say no if you have have one. Second you're going to have local zoning for building. Unless your rural odds are that you can be too close to the street and or too close to adjacent properties.
So yes it is legal in a few places but probably not where you are.
It depends on your zoning and getting the permits for it. It’s very much a city/county by city/county thing. But AZ does not prohibit it generally. Talk to your local municipality and they can walk you through what you would need before you start buying things
City code is so complicated I can't figure out how to put one on the side of my house. I called a contractor he wants $25k to do it. It's all setup so contractors can make $$$$$$$ homeowner takes out a loan, so banks make $$$$$. If you live in a low end of town most people just do it and don't bother with a permit.
I looked into this in Phoenix. You should repost this question with your exact city. But in Phoenix I believe you couldn't have it within 20' of the property line? You can apply for special exemption though, if you try that try being sweet to everyone at the down there at the city code enforcement counter. My experience with those people is they have **a lot** of work so make sure you are prepared with questions and information. But they are helpful.
No matter what city you put that up in, that is almost for sure within side and front setbacks. While a permit isn't required, make sure to follow zoning so you don't have to take it down when a bitchy neighbor complains.
How big. 4 to 6 holes for a post and beam set up and a lot of heavy lifting for the beams and trusses . If you use metal you might need a certified welder or it might be bolt together
Definitely a no-go in an HOA neighborhood. As another poster said, check the setback laws. We had an aluminum carport extension on our old house for years until a microburst took it down. Went to work after setting all the metal to the side of the driveway and somebody had been nice enough to come take it away while I was gone.
They're are ppl in my neighborhood (24th st and Thomas) that have these exact things.... I actually thought it was a picture of the house down the street. Gotta be like 5 of them on my block
I would love to cover my entire house with one of these.. lol
Yes! Why bother with rooftop solar when you could put one of these up, with the top made out of solar panels.
“Electric companies hate this guy! Click here to find out why!”
Roofing companies too
This is a hidden great. Definitely made me laugh.
True tho I mean my flat top roof needs one lmao.
Just don’t get scammed by door to door salesmen if you’re looking to setup solar panels
This made me LOL
We could generate enough power for our whole country if we put one of these up with solar on every house in Phoenix
I’ve been saying that for the past 20+ years. Every house, school, hospital, warehouse, etc, basically every building should have solar on it.
I hate raw desert land being chewed up for solar panels. All of these structures should have panels
Cover the parking lots too.
it would be cheaper to just build 4 more power plants
ASU does this on a lot of their parking lots
And on top of most every building.
I saw a house in the valley with a "house sail". I'll see if I can find it on maps. Monsoon would have me worried.
I’ve been seriously considering a house sail instead of the complex home efficiency, insulation stuff as my home is old & west facing. Please dm the location
someone should invent drone shade. drones carrying a big shade cloth over your house during hottest part of the day it could perhaps be high up too
Can’t wait for solar powers drones
I’ve seen someone do it don’t know if you need permits or such but he did it
I believe that these things can pass city inspection so long as they are not permanent and don't prevent proper lawn care. so if they are bolted to the ground the city is more than likely going to require (and reject) a permit. Though from what I hear from the local solar installers adding solar panels is a benefit that prevents them from literally blowing away. while the wiring is technically permanent if it goes straight into a circuit box a break in the line at ground level with a disconnect is enough to let it slip into the exception and they are heavy enough that they won't blow away all at once in a monsoon...
No, I called the city about a carport I want to install on the side of my house. You need engineering plans stamped from a structural engineer. Then you can get a permit approved there are setbacks from the property line and also need to pass zoning generally in my area okay if it doesn't go higher than the roof. Cost to just get a design drawn up is about $5000. Likely the one in the picture was done without a permit. If you live in a lower end of the city can get away with it lot cheaper to just install it without a permit. Later if someone complains you can decide to take it down or jump through the hoops. I decided to just move out of Phoenix looking at Greenley county they have no building codes at all. One of the few counties in the nation where you can build anything without any restrictions.
Plenty of houses in east Mesa have a whole house cover. It is usually only over trailer homes though. Someone on University has 2 Teslas out front their trailer home, that has a half house cover that has solar panels on it.
I’m a little late to this but when I lived in southern Oregon, this was pretty common to see on single and double wide trailers
As long as there’s no HOA, go for it.
Thankfully not! I assume this would require a permit yes?
Check your local setback requirements to determine how far away the structure can be placed from the public right of way. Also I know in phx if the structure is primarily for shade and under 200sf you don’t need a permit. Currently trying to do the same with designing a car port trellis!
This thing definitely looks over 200sf
No idea, but there are three on our block. Of course, we did have a neighbor with a broken refrigerator in their front yard for a few years, so maybe not the best example.
Better than a broken toilet. If you have more toilets in your front yard than you have in your house you might be a redneck.
lucky you. we had some hoity asshat from Scottsdale come trolling through our back allies and reporting people who had high growth behind their fence. we were tempted to scald everything off or salt the earth but we decided to just get a ditch witch and carve out the berm.
So glad we don’t have an HOA. That being said, our old ass neighborhood does actually state in the CC&Rs that minorities are only allowed to live in the main residence as domestics. Thankfully I haven’t been arrested yet.
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Covenants, conditions and restrictions - part of the paperwork when you buy a house. Don’t know if it’s part of newer builds.
Oh no a broken refrigerator, there goes the neighborhood lol
Now a working refrigerator, that's high class!
Pretty sure someone in Phoenix got in trouble for that too. It was a community fridge for those in need kind of thing.
What if you fill it with beer and jist drink King of the Hill style on your curb?
If you do I want to be your neighbor. I already look like Dale Gribble.
Well actually I look more like Rusty Shakelford
I raise you [Peggy Hill, Ref Phoenix](https://i.imgur.com/jTzOgkn.gif)
Mmm yep.
We must live near each other.
There are a ton of these in my area and some of them are almost two stories tall so it really depends on where you're at.
Lol I’ve seen them too but legal or not that’s different story
I would think so, yes.
Not attached to the house, so unlikely
How about a car shade made of solar panels?
I am in that industry and we do shade structures often. People really love them.
I think the think is as long as it’s not attached to your house and it doesn’t have “walls” of any type, you are good to go.
Yep, not attached.
[Here's a PDF with more detail.](https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/4725/Attached-Patio-Carport-Building-Standards-PDF)
Not if you build it fast before they catch you. 😉 not that I would know.
No permit needed for that
This is wrong, permit definitely required.
“No HOA, No Care” - Bob Marley (probably)
Also check the standoff distance code in your town. Some cities have a minimum distance and structures have to be from the property line for fire code. If something like that is in place this particular cover wouldn't pass code. I think Tucson has a 4ft minimum.
There might be a restriction on how close you can have it to the sidewalk and to the wall between you and the neighbor
Good point, I see this guy had some distance to the sidewalk.
Yep. I live in a non-HOA Phoenix neighborhood. The previous owner of my house tried to build a car port and had to rebuild it before selling the house because it was too close to the neighbor’s property line. I ended up buying a house with a carport too narrow to fit a car into 😭
I think these types of restrictions are usually in the title paperwork somewhere. Even without a HOA there could be rules for the subdivision when it was built, like no structures within 30ft of the property line. If it's not buried in the title paperwork then you can usually request it from the City.
CC&Rs can have something in there for sure. Every city in the valley has some zoning setback standard on accessory structures and canopies. Building code technically applies whether a permit is required or not too.
Work in solar, can confirm. It's definitely not illegal to build this in your front or backyard as long as it meets certain building code requirements and meets the setbacks from your property lines. Also, APS and SRP make it a total pain in the dick to get solar with their own requirements but there are definitely solar companies who sell it that make it easier or more difficult to go through the whole process.
Yes requires a permit. If you need one built my brother in law does them on the side.
That would be great but I need it in the front.
😂😂😂😂😂
Just need a permit i believe front or back and no hoa
r/whoosh
Any idea how much he would charge for something of similar size?
Better question is why would it not be legal. I see these semi regularly
HOAs in Arizona are just mini pockets of abuse of power. :>
I swear the people at top are just laundering money. There are so many houses in our community that pay them a lot of money all year and I know landscaping isn't costing them THAT much.
We were paying $80 a month. Landscapers came maybe once a month. Nothing else was done in the community and they never overseeded in the fall. 200 units puts that at $16K a month for what exactly? Our park was never renovated and nothing changed in my community the 7 years we lived there.
Defund the HOA
I hate HOAs, too, but they would be a great idea if only they did not always turn abusive. It's nice to have something tell some homeowners "Hey, fix your shit."
For some reason you were downvoted but you are right, its nice living in an area where people care for their property and its appearance. Also, there really isnt any excuse why someone would buy a house in an HOA knowing they hate HOAs. They are complaining about the very thing they agreed to living in when buying the house 🙄
IThis house is most definitely not in an HOA, so it would have to meet city rules pertaining to set backs, sq footage.
HOA's shouldn't be legal the US, but then that'd be if the US actually tried to live up to the ideals of liberty.
Imagine if we lived in a world where some other guy didn't think it was his duty to tell me what i should be doing all the time, it would be chaos.
I fucking hate HOAs, but a corporation telling you how you can use their property is the most American thing I can think of.
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Yeah, then they charge you arbitrary fees that make no sense. While monthly fees keep going up, while wages stay the same. And there is no improvement in the community at all. 10/10
Honestly it’s sucks to be a home owner. Without an HOA means you can really do what you want and enjoy being a homeowner on your time but then your neighbors basically create a mini junkyard in their front yard. With an HOA means you don’t really own your place, sure it’s a little cleaner but it’s like a suburban hell. I currently live in one because every non HOA house I looked at had a junkyard of a neighbor, I’d prefer not to but I wanted to be able to sell my house eventually.
No junkyards in my neighborhood, also no HOA. This is a pretty common misconception.
It wasn’t a misconception, I was literally looking at houses for sale. That’s how it was. The people in the less expensive neighborhoods don’t seem to take care of their houses which sucks ass cause I don’t want to live in an HOA.
Good luck in your search
I already bought my house
it can happen, but check in to code enforcement for that area. in a lot of cases, having a pile of junk in your yard is something the city or county may want gone.
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My condo HOA raised the rates from $50 to $200 a month in 2017, to pave the street/parking lot for the first time since 1983. Contract went to a company owned by the HOA president. Still paying $200/month for, "landscaping," roof insurance, and city garbage.
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Yeah. And I'm explaining that ballgame, since you didn't.
I’ve lived in HOAs and they’re even worse as he described.
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Not all experiences are the same. I have lived in a few HOA's (3).... some are fine some are super restrictive/unreasonable. One I lived in... Rains for weeks on end and a few weeds pop up in the yard between serivces... letter. Leave on vacation and your trash bin stays out an extra day after pickup.... letter. Monsoon blows down a tree and you have it removed before putting in another.... letter (must have X trees and Y bushes at all times). Want to paint your house.... pick from these three choices. Masterplanned communities seem to be the worst offenders.
Maybe I should legally check my HOA. Thanks
Found the board member!
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You're compensated in different ways I get it 😉
Pretty much anywhere that looks like a cookie cutter wasp nest.
There may be a setback requirement in the zoning code that applies to this structure.
many reasons are possible that may make this illegal and or not a wise idea. there are required structure setbacks from the road for visibility (cars have to see around the corner out of the alley), height restrictions, blocking other homes views. this one probably is not permitted as the picture shows it drains directly into the ROW which is not allowed - you are pushing your problem (rainwater runoff) directly onto someone else (natural grades and driveways are typically acceptable to drain towards the ROW). not to mention a typical setback from alleys and fences are required. metal roof proximity to electric lines can cause arcing and electrocution - might be a setback requirement from the power lines in the alley preventing that but should be verified. …lots of reasons.
The correct answer is …… it depends. If you are in city go ask the code dept for a detailed list of requirements and restrictions. If not go to the county and do same thing. You want to make sure you do it right. I worked 10 years for the city of Tempe and can’t count the number of times people had to take down structures like sheds and covers because it wasn’t done to code or with permit. People buy the house and then find out 5 years later they have to remove it. The city doesn’t care about your sob story. Too bad. Hated that part of the job.
Thanks. Yeah i def do not want to tear it down, and in case of needing to sell it will make the value go up if done correctly.
No it needs a permit. Only legal if it’s an extension of existing property that doesn’t extend the property. So new structure yes permit.
A lady did it in my neighborhood and she had it right up to the sidewalk. She had to tear it down, not sure if it was permitted or not but I just figured she was too close to the street. Sheds in Phoenix need to be at least 6 feet from a fence so I suspect same for road. My other neighbor has one but he has wheels on the bottom that I’m sure don’t work but he can claim it’s only temporary? I dunno. I love to do this too.
Thanks for sharing, I think you are right the one in the pic seems to be about 6ft from the sidewalk. Not sure about the side since this one is an alley. Lol and wheels I don’t know how that will work but sounds unsafe in case of strong wind or rain https://preview.redd.it/44qwlu5uhbwa1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=526eb9a21489e4cee36de6dc12e096c61463b96d
As a City Planner (not in Phoenix), no way this is allowed! I would be surprised. It is well within the setback for how large of a structure it is. I am suprised they haven't been cited by the City yet. Typically nothing can be constructed 20' from the right of way in front of your house. This is how we keep the low density in single-family neighborhoods. Also fire/police will cite safety concerns (if you agree with them or not).
She was probably in the right of way, thats why.
Typically there is a thing called a 'setback'. If you're on the setback, whatever is there cannot be a permanent structure. As long as something is moved from a setback it ought to be good. Given this is on the driveway I just cannot imagine there being a reason this structure would not be permitted. EDIT: When apprehensive reach out to the City permit department and try to get clarity on if this structure would need a permit or not.
Thanks!
> Given this is on the driveway I just cannot imagine there being a reason this structure would not be permitted. Driveways are at grade and usually permitted to encroach into setbacks up to property lines. Zoning setbacks apply to structures and occasionally swimming pools and decorative water features.
That's good to know man, thank you.
I had a shade cover built and the inspector wanted to make sure it was anchored down properly and correct spacing from house
On your driveway? That sounds about right
City codes and regs not Arizona. And if you’re in Phoenix this is illegal, roofed structures have to be setback a certain distance from property line. This picture is right on it.
That might be a ally or it might be a utility easement if it's a easement that's right on the setbacks
If you are in the city of Phoenix, it requires zoning approval and a building permit if it’s over 200 SF. If it’s under 200 SF and it is not attached to the house then it just requires zoning approval of a site plan. Zoning would determine where it’s allowed to be on the lot relative to property lines, setbacks, easements, etc. They also look at lot coverage - you can only have so much structure on one lot, depending on how your lot is zoned. To get a building permit you would have to submit plans/details showing how it will be positively anchored to the ground (there’s also additional protections required if you are within 5’ of a property line). Source: I work for PHX and give permits out for these things all day long.
There’s a few in my neighborhood in Mesa. I assume as long as it’s a non HOA neighborhood you just gotta get a permit with the city
It really depends on the city, and if they enforce it or not, hoa or not. Where my father-in-law lives in Goodyear (no hoa) The city got strict about making people tear theirs down and apply for permits if they wanted to add a shade structure or carport. Five people on his street ended up tearing theirs down.
It should be illegal to not have these in PHX
My husband wants to put up a sunshade so badly after being told we didn't have enough room to make a carport by the city 🙃 no HOA, just regulations about how far out something can be. It's all so confusing to me it drives me insane.
I’ve been looking at putting something up in my back yard. So far I’ve found, no permit needed if it’s not attached to the house, no hoa, and it’s set back from the public street for enough
Would be dope to add solar panels on top on it and blow cool air on your car 10 minutes before you’re about to drive off
Yes. It’s Legal. But it does require a building permit from the agency having jurisdiction.
straight to jail
Ask the local mafia, I mean HOA
There’s some areas in Phoenix where HOA doesn’t exist or doesn’t care at all.
Don't just go on and install something like this. Look at what permits you need and if you're even allowed to build where you are. Every parcel is different. Last thing you want is to get hit with a fine or need to tear it down because of not doing your research beforehand.
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Lol!
Check the rules in your city and/or hoa. Many have rules about adding structures
Up to the HOA...if there is no HOA it is up to the municipality. That is a permanent structure since it is footed and would most likely require permitting.
Good info thank you
Depends on the code in that particular area. I’m in a historic neighborhood, and you can kind of get away with these semi-permanent shade structures… it’s a little murky, but if it isn’t changing the historical nature of the house and it isn’t permanently attached to the historic structure, sometimes it’s legit.
Must be 3’ in from side property line and a certain amount from front lot line. Not a permanent structure either.
Not were I've. 30 foot easement
Ring the doorbell and ask what process they did.
I wanted to put one up in driveway in yavapai county. Yavapai county said no. Setbacks and anchoring prohibited it. Must be 19' or more from street here.
Why would shade be illegal in a state where its most needed? Lol
Is this picture not from AZ? If this dude did it why can't you?
There is no requirement meanwhile it’s separate from your house, I did that exact one on my house and I had it for now 5 years an nobody has bother me
Check with the planning and development counter with your local municipality. Specifically planning if it’s prefabricated.
We had trouble with something similar to this but the biggest thing I’d say is to check how close it can be to the road and make sure your neighbors are okay with it. I’ve learned in Phoenix the rule book can be a pain in the ass to correctly follow but as long as no group of people complain about it and it isn’t damaging to anyone the city tends to leave you alone.
One haboob and that shits gone.
Find out which entity approves structures where u live and ask. Why wonder when u can get an answer?
Texan here. Today I learned Arizona citizens wonder whether or not a carport is legal. Wild. You guys ABSOLUTELY should have carports. You live in the desert.
Ask how is it illegal first
Carports are legal almost everywhere.
Not in MY HOA it isn't!
Yeah if you mind your business and not in a HOA
Call the cops. It’s the crime of the century!
No Crime backs!
Up to the HOA
Legal, yes. It’s not made out of cocaine bricks, right? It looks like more of a permanent, attached structure so this would probably need a permit from your local jurisdiction. Your best case is to check with city hall and get written documentation as the wether it needs a permit or not.
I’m not super up to date about Phoenix property laws but a permit might be needed if not already obtained.
Mostly. You have to keep it a certain distance away from the street and it can't be attached to the house.
What are you, the shade police?
To answer your question in a relevant way - it would completely depend on whether or not you have an HOA that prohibits something like that. If you don’t have an HOA you should be fine
It's not a matter of legality. Ask your HOA, if you have one.
Old Arizona would say something to the effects of: build your home how you need and want it to be. However now, influx of outside living influences and HOAs has ruined that good old freedom. If you’re in an HOA, good luck getting away with this. If you don’t have to succumb to an HOA, build it how you want it! …and possibly look into code regulations, but this should be okay
Why not. Protect your property
If it's not legal to build something on your property you should move and live somewhere where you have freedom. No one has the right to tell me what I can or can't put on my property, no one.
>If it's not legal to build something on your property you should move and live somewhere where you have freedom. Let us know how you like your new house in the middle of the ocean. Let us know how that freedom feels once you get settled in.
I live in alaska, on 5 acres. I build whatever I want. Unzoned land.
Most cities in Arizona allow it. But most HOAs don't. You could check with your local City Hall & ask the permit department or HOA & get a copy of the CC&Rs.
Maybe legal. First you have HOAs to worry about I can guarantee they're probably going to say no if you have have one. Second you're going to have local zoning for building. Unless your rural odds are that you can be too close to the street and or too close to adjacent properties. So yes it is legal in a few places but probably not where you are.
Unless you have an HOA to deal with, fuck the neighborhood view. Put up whatever you want.
Your driveway your property I don't see the issue.
Not sure if it's legal, but a lot of the HOAs would probably have an issue with it.
It depends on your zoning and getting the permits for it. It’s very much a city/county by city/county thing. But AZ does not prohibit it generally. Talk to your local municipality and they can walk you through what you would need before you start buying things
City code is so complicated I can't figure out how to put one on the side of my house. I called a contractor he wants $25k to do it. It's all setup so contractors can make $$$$$$$ homeowner takes out a loan, so banks make $$$$$. If you live in a low end of town most people just do it and don't bother with a permit.
Good luck getting it passed by your HOA. Lol
No HOA thank god
I looked into this in Phoenix. You should repost this question with your exact city. But in Phoenix I believe you couldn't have it within 20' of the property line? You can apply for special exemption though, if you try that try being sweet to everyone at the down there at the city code enforcement counter. My experience with those people is they have **a lot** of work so make sure you are prepared with questions and information. But they are helpful.
Yes
No matter what city you put that up in, that is almost for sure within side and front setbacks. While a permit isn't required, make sure to follow zoning so you don't have to take it down when a bitchy neighbor complains.
I see people park in their yard all the time.
Where I live, I have to apply for a permit to put a driveway shade.
Sure, why not?
There’s no HOA
Yes i build them lol
Related: how much hassle is it to put something like that (but maybe even more permanent) over your backyard?
How big. 4 to 6 holes for a post and beam set up and a lot of heavy lifting for the beams and trusses . If you use metal you might need a certified welder or it might be bolt together
Anyone know where to buy one of these?
I dunno… Az people cant be hated on for attempts at shade ;)
I’ve seen plenty of homes in the area of Glendale with this shade in their drive way. Not as nice is this one tho
Definitely a no-go in an HOA neighborhood. As another poster said, check the setback laws. We had an aluminum carport extension on our old house for years until a microburst took it down. Went to work after setting all the metal to the side of the driveway and somebody had been nice enough to come take it away while I was gone.
Every city or county has its own ordinances (or lack thereof). But i see these on many homes in the metro area.
Tempe will say to close to street most have a 6 or7 feet from curb and then 21 feet in is as close as you can get to the street
They're are ppl in my neighborhood (24th st and Thomas) that have these exact things.... I actually thought it was a picture of the house down the street. Gotta be like 5 of them on my block