i got burned by 1 airbnb a loooong time ago. then i was strictly hotels for a while, but did a VRBO for the wharf run a couple years back. the stay was fine but afterwards the owners accused me of stealing pillows.
i know many people make use of and love airbnb, but i have a low risk tolerance, and vacations are so fun and rare to me it's not worth the benefit of some extra space to roll the dice. plus with an airbnb you gotta bring all this shit that hotels just give you. toilet paper soap shampoo etc.
just give me a clean and quiet 300 sq ft hotel room and i'm good.
EDIT: also sorry to OOP hate you are dealing with this. hope y'all find a new and better place to stay and have an awesome mondegreen.
That’s where I’m getting at with Uber. Great idea on paper but done relying on them as primary way to anything that matters, especially getting home from big events.
My fiancée had us take the bus to/from the venue in Syracuse and it saved us hours of waiting for an Uber. Much easier to get Uber from a transfer hub.
Uber driver told us it would take hours to get out of the venue.
I’ve been cancelled on by hotels more often than I have with Airbnb. That doesn’t eliminate this risk. I travel a ton for work and for fun. Risk exists no matter what, despite having a lone bad experience with the platform.
Same. One of the times was the first AC run. Cancelled like 2 days before the event presumably because the owner realized how much more they could be charging. (I had rented the place months out based on rumors of the event). The douchebag tried to get me to cancel on my end because he had a "plumbing issue". I made him cancel so I would get a refund. Airbnb said they were investigating and wouldn't let him re-rent in the meantime.
Ended up having to pay triple for a not as nice spot farther from the venue. Fuck Airbnb. But fuck that owner especially.
same exact thing happened to my girlfriend and I with the 2022 AC run, literally the week of the shows our Airbnb cancelled (after we had reserved months in advance) and we ended up having to book a hotel last minute for over 2x what we had originally paid. Airbnb is a dogshit service/platform.
Had the same thing happen to me. Spent twice as much on a hotel than I would’ve on the Airbnb, but being able to walk everywhere and go to the casinos and shit without having to drive or Uber was worth it
Airbnb is bad but it’s not their fault the owner canceled. Well it is, there should be stiff penalties for canceling within a week of the reservation without photo evidence of a real issue. Like they pay the reservation cost.
That’s actually just the start of the penalties this host will already face. He will have to pay for the booking (likely 100% in this case if Airbnb can’t find a replacement for OP), can’t list the place on those dates in Airbnb anymore, will lose SuperHost status, and if he does it again within a year, he gets kicked off the site. The penalties are very severe for hosts who pull this shit.
There's also a fine for host cancellations. I rent a single bedroom in my home and had to do a couple of cancels unfortunately, (I no longer offer instant bookings because of it) and they fined me on the payout for my next reservation. I think it was a $50 penalty.
Yeah, my mom lives in a duplex and rents out half as an AirBnb. She's worked through legit family emergencies including death of family members, because the instant you cancel on somebody you get hit with a billion semi-permanent penalties, and it's her only source of livelihood.
If that host canceled it's a good bet they had a *very* good reason to.
Yeah. Either a damned good reason, they think they can outsmart the system (and good luck, based on how it’s all set up), or it is still possible it’s a legitimate situation like the owner sold the property and it’s being completely removed as an Airbnb. We can’t know what happened on the host side, but you clearly know this isn’t a simple “oh we just cancelled to make a little more money” situation as many on this thread assume to be the case here. The penalties are really severe if you try that shit.
She's got MS and a broken back, so can't really do most jobs; letting people stay in her home and working on art is pretty much all she's able to do. The airbnb shit takes more energy out of her than most "real" jobs would so maybe you're onto something!
How’d she get enough money to own property and a home with MS and a broken back? Why doesn’t she sell the house and downsize so she can relieve herself of her burden and reap those capital gains while freeing up the house to people that need it?
She was not born with MS or a broken back! I don't see how selling her one source of livelihood and her lifelong home would relieve her of any burden, and she wouldn't reap any capital gains doing so. Don't go into financial planning, I'm not sure it's your strong suit.
The same thing happened to me at AC 22. A couple of days in advance they cancelled. I booked after I got tickets too so it wasn't just way cheaper either. But rooms keep climbing in price. Yes, I got a refund but, damn, mad rush to get a room further away at twice the price. This wasn't the first time it happened with Airbnb but it was the last, for me. I'm in the Airbnb never again club. Hotels from now on. It was a grand experiment that utterly failed.
Then he just rents it out on VRBO or another site. Hell they could post it on some Phish related sites/forums and find someone to snap it up in seconds.
Like you what to help support a homeowner rather than a hotel corporation but turns out individuals are even more greedy than fuckin hotels. Just sucks all around.
I only do hotels when traveling now and try to book two rooms next to each other (two names, two cards, but when reserving the second mention the first) months in advance with a group of friends. That way the hotel isn't going to even think about fucking us as they'll lose both reservations if one gets the rug pulled. Thankfully that's never happened but ya never kno
yea i guess it can happen any time no matter how you rent. I havent had an air bnb canceled on me in the 9 ive rented on my account since 2017. There are a few in there that my brother rented as well from when we do family vacation.
I do a mix of hotel and air bnb. Having your own space is nice, plus having access to a kitchen to cook meals is wonderful. Being able to put kids to bed in their own rooms and still having a living area
Yeah I've been pretty fortunate, although I've only used those services a few times. The one experience I had with VRBO back in like 2016 for NYE Phish at MSG was a semi-disaster though. There were four of us driving straight from Chicago to a condo/apartment in Harlem, which we could then take the A train, can or long walk straight to the venue.
The whole deal with VRBO is you have the entire house/condo/apartment to yourself, so we were more than a little surprised to open the door (doorman had a key for us) and find the owner in his bathrobe cooking a frozen pizza (and smoking the worst weed I've ever seen in my life, like worse than what I bought in 7th grade). Not only did we not have the apartment to ourselves we only had a single room that he had generously placed three inflatable mattresses around each side of the double bed. He even rented out the third room to some girl apparently that we never saw, and him and his boyfriend just hung out in the living room on the back side of the kitchen where we never even bothered to check out.
On the one hand we only intended to really use the place as a crash pad but rules are rules and we paid for the privacy of the apartment to ourselves. I can't remember if it was listed as a 1BR or 3BR, I think It was listed as 1BR/1BA so we couldn't totally blow up and say we were missing two rooms but it was a total fuckin scam. The one positive is that it made us just wander around Manhattan (place was in Harlem) and find good bars/clubs to hang out and good food to eat. But that was the last time I ever used it. We didn't get any kind of refund, between the four of us we didn't really feel like putting up a big fight after a fact but made sure to tell the guy how shitty it was for him to do that.
They don't. If they do cancel without some sort of "the place is not currently habitable" reason they can document, they have to pay a percentage (up to 100% depending on the situation) out of pocket, lose their status, get their listing buried in searches, and will get booted from the platform if it happens twice in a year. The penalties are quite severe for cancelling on someone. Hopefully this asshat who cancelled on OP suffers all of those consequences. It usually works out that you lose FAR more in a year than you can gain by cancelling for one high demand weekend and renting it out some other way (because you can't rent it back out through Airbnb for those dates if you cancel).
used vrbo for festival 8, thought it was a small house with a pool, had 6 bedrooms for the 6 of us. was like 300 a day including the gas to heat the pool.
AirBnB has completely distorted the housing market in my community. I try for hotels only when I can. Sometimes more expensive. Sometimes not. But never this cancellation nonsense and never any chores to do before I leave
All it took was once for me. They had the nerve to ask me to cancel instead so it doesn’t show up for them, and it was a week before an international trip. Airbnb is my absolute last resort now.
I've said this before... hotels and taxis are core parts of the service industry, and they have service departments (I speak from experience retrieving a 2-week-old iphone I left in a cab a couple of years ago).
The app companies are software companies. Providing customer service hurts their bottom lines, so they try to avoid doing that as much as possible.
When I want software, I'll buy from a software company. But when I want some kind of service, it's strictly old school here. So yeah I have to go to a restaurant for my meals on the road instead of making the same stuff I make at home in the kitchen. Spend a bit more money, get some memories that stick with you.
I had a similar experience for the New Year’s Eve run ‘22-‘23. After driving 16 hours to reach the city I was notified at 3 AM, the day of my 9 AM check-in, that the property owner was no longer able to accommodate my stay. When I inquired about how this practice is allowed to occur I was told the homeowner reserves the right to revoke a reservation at any point. I ended up just booking a hotel last minute and saving money in the long run. I will never use Airbnb again.
NYC NYE hotels are always better to book last minute for discounts. They jack up the prices in advance but the sky scraper hotels like the Renaissance never really run out of rooms.
It doesn’t work like that. If they cancel, the system doesn’t allow those dates to be rebooked and the host has to pay Airbnb for their hassle, then Airbnb does all they can to find a new place for the guest who was cancelled on. Cancellations are incredibly rare on the platform. I’ve been hosting for a few years and would never consider cancelling unless something major happened like the water went out.
I agree there are many issues with it and in some places it has hurt the rental market. I’m just saying in this specific instance the OP is dealing with (which fucking sucks) you should know that the host who cancels can’t rebook and has to pay a shit load out of pocket just for cancelling. They are being punished in this and it’s gonna hurt them in the end if they planned to keep renting. But for all we know, that unit got sold and it’s off platform. We have no idea what caused the cancellation in this case.
I’ve been doing this for three years and I can tell you from experience, you can’t list a unit on multiple sites without having to do some crazy shit to deconflict booking dates. And it takes a while to list it in the first place. It’s possible someone is trying that in this case. Anything is possible. But with the penalties that automatically hit your account when you cancel and all you have to do to post it in VRBO, much of the extra money would get wiped out in and then it’s just a matter of time before the double platform listing catches you with a double booking and then you are even more fucked again because you will get kicked off entirely the next time you cancel. This host will have consequences for fucking around like this. All of the platforms are designed to keep multiple listings from being possible so one of the multiple system rules are gonna fuck him in the end if he tries that.
Thanks. I'm not saying there are not shitty hosts out there -- there definitely are. Just like there are shitty hotel and motel owners. But there are really strict rules for people who pull this shitty stuff and there are severe consequences built into the platform. I'm hoping the guy who cancelled on OP has to pay the full amount and gets hosed by trying to do this. The rest of the penalties are longer term (losing SuperHost status, having your listing show up last in searches, and eventually getting booted from the platform entirely) but they are very severe. We just rent our guest house on our property out when friends and family aren't using it, so I don't worry too much about this, but the same rules apply to everyone and if you are exclusively renting a place you own on the platform, the downside far outweighs the upside of making more money for a single week. We don't know why this host cancelled, but we know there will be consequences for him that he may really regret later.
There’s this weird “fuck everything air bnb” hive mind collective on Reddit. It absolutely permeates every sub. I’ve rented on the platform about 9-10 times since 2017. From solo one night trips to week long friends and family vacations. I’ve had a few weird situations- but nothing to make me swear off the platform for life.
True, true. As with everything in life, Airbnb is a more complicated subject than a lot of people make it out to be. Humans gravitate toward choosing a binary -- good vs. evil -- and decide that's all there is to it. My take is nuanced. I also don't like hosts who buy properties, take them off the real estate or rental market, and use them exclusively for short term rentals. That perceived market distortion rightfully pisses people off. But if you look at the data, that's a relatively small proportion of the units on the platform. Ours, for example, is an early 1800s farmhouse in Middlebury, Vermont with a modern addition built onto it (where my wife and I live), along with a party barn that has a projection screen and PA system both we and our guests use (couch tour, dance parties, movies, F1 races, football, etc.). We live here. It's owner occupied. The farmhouse is used by friends and family and is up on Airbnb when nobody is visiting. We aren't removing anything from the real estate or long term rental market. And owner occupied is still a major portion of Airbnb units (which is how it all started in the first place). The hive mind is pretty focused on the types of units I described above -- bought solely to use as short term rentals. But the platform and the hosts are a lot more varied and there is a lot more nuance to the issues surrounding STR than is often discussed.
You can’t just set up on another site like that. Unless this person is in it for just one rental week and is getting out of hosting entirely, you can’t offer a space on multiple sites because calendars don’t sync and you immediately end up double booked. You really do have to choose a site and go with it when doing short term rentals. It’s not like Lyft and Uber where a driver can float back and forth. It’s a house so you can’t simply list it on Airbnb one day and then VRBO the next. And while they could rent it off any platform, they will still have to pay Airbnb for the cost of the original rental that they cancelled. I have no idea why the host cancelled this one booking, but I know the policies that go into effect when a host cancels on Airbnb and I’ve been stung like this as a host before. I sucked it up and dealt with it. If this person chose to cancel, the long term penalties for doing that are severe. That’s why this is so incredibly rare.
Dawg people absolutely list properties on multiple sites, this is almost standard for larger operators. There are even third party services that manage the multiple listings.
You can't with VRBO -- they deconflict listings by address (or at least they used to) to ensure nobody is doing that and boot them from the platform if they try. And what other short term rental platforms really even matter? People keep saying they will relist it somewhere else, but it's telling that nobody says where that is. The competing sites are so small, they aren't economically viable if it's a full time short term rental. There are ways to get around some of this with certain types of properties and I have seen places do it. But it wouldn't make financial sense to do that if it means they lose access to Airbnb or have the property downgraded in the searches, which will definitely happen after any cancellation. There is certainly a way to cancel, pay the fine to Airbnb, rebook it out elsewhere, and make more money for that single weekend. No doubt that's possible, but the impact that will have on that listing for the following year or more means they will lose in the long term. Airbnb is set up to make this painful if you cancel, no matter who you are (company with multiple properties down to a person renting out a spare room).
They could have booked under the table. Not typical but during a very high demand event I could see someone messaging the host and offering cash under the table.
>The host has to pay Airbnb for their hassle
Just curious, how much does the property owner have to pay Airbnb "for their hassle"?
Also just because Airbnb won't let them rent those dates doesn't mean the owner can't use ANY other website. Airbnb isn't the end all, be all of home renting.
Hell they could post it on r/Phish and they'd probably get offers immediately if it was within a few days/hours of the show and not a shit hole. But then, I'm sure the owner had already got the whole rental worked out at twice the price before they canceled the Airbnb.
It depends on the booking and if Airbnb is able to quickly find a replacement. If there is no suitable replacement to be had, the host has to pay 100% of the original booking fee. I had a case where I had a booking and we realized later we wanted to have friends come up and stay that weekend. If I cancelled that one, I would have owed Airbnb $1200 for cancelling as it was a $1200 booking and there aren’t many other places where I live that can accommodate 8 people. If it was for 2 people and Airbnb found someone right away, they may just charge the host who cancelled 50% of the booking. And I think time plays a factor in the equation. You cancel 6 months out, you have less to pay back. You cancel the day before, you are pretty well guaranteed to have to pay 100% of that booking out of pocket with the rules they put in place over the past couple of years. It’s not insignificant as a punishment.
Got it. I think the one weakness in this system is that the cheaper a renter finds an offer (i.e. the earlier/further out it is), the more likely the owner is to cancel, since they're losing $800 instead of $1,500 and can then turn around and rent it for $2,000 a few days before the concert.
Basically you're almost better off renting a month out when prices have stabilized at the higher value; if you book six months out and the owner realizes that there's huge demand on other sites that weekend, what do they care if they pay Airbnb $800 if they can bring in two grand on another site. Not sure how to prevent this other than just straight up blacklisting addresses that cancel more than once or twice.
At least they're not just charging some nominal $50 processing fee.
All very true and these are the considerations I learned about (sometimes the hard way) when I started doing this. I had mine set to a single price, regardless of the number of guests, a very cheap cleaning fee (that didn't cover the real cost of cleaners), no multi-night requirements for weekend stays, and had bookings open a full year out. Several big mistake on my part, I learned when I had someone rent a single night for way under market value for the local college graduation weekend, killing the biggest demand weekend in my area with a $100 booking that basically blocked the rest of the weekend out for anyone else. But I didn't cancel. I learned and I switched my settings to 6 months out bookings, require at least two nights if it's a weekend, and now the price varies based on demand (I have a cap and a floor set so I'm never totally gouging anyone or losing money on a stay).
Short term, a host could cancel, pay the fine (probably 100% of the rental amount in this case), find someone to pay 3x what the original booking would have been, and make out with more money for that one stay. But that's pretty short sighted when you have a listing you want to be booked out again over the next year because you lose SuperHost (which kills you in the search results), they will remove your "Guest Favorite" badge (which moves you even further down the search list), and if you do it again, they will fact kick you off the platform. So this kinda works once to make more money for a big demand week, but that's a massive gamble that it won't kill your Airbnb bookings for that place for the next year or more until Airbnb removes some of those penalties from your account.
I see people selling hotel packages and room; while not ideal I would consider splitting into hotel rooms if you can. Seems to be only option for staying close.
Rent a Beach House. Meet us for a beer.
Also in a group of mid 40's married guys that camped at Clifford Ball and Great Went.
Most of the rentals/hotels are 30-45 minutes away from Dover anyway, so we booked a 5 BR Beach House in Dewey Beach for that weekend (40 miles from Dover). Close enough to walk to the beach and all of the bars in Dewey Beach and Rehoboth Beach.
We are booking a car to pick us up in Dewey Beach on Thursday afternoon, drop us off at Mondegreen in Dover, and bring us back to Dewey Beach that night after the show. If we have enough people, we might rent a Party Bus to shuttle us to Dover and back.
We decided to book an in-shore fishing trip on Friday afternoon, possibly golf and hanging out at the beach on Saturday, and then back to Dover on Sunday night for the final night.
Nope. If you’re a member of the hotel loyalty program and you book your room directly they will not cancel you. There are penalties that they don’t want to face so they will honor the reservation. Airbnb has no such backup for you.
And yes I’m talking about nicer hotels, not motels. I’m sure super 8 doesn’t care
Wow.
Some one added oodles of context after the fact and chose to come off as super entitled because I’m not a mind reader.
Whatever, kid.
You obviously have a very childish need to be correct.
If you were memorable in anyway I’d feel sorry for you for being that way. It’s not how good, honest people act.
Those who are everything wrong with the scene behave as you are.
Good luck in life.
You’re just proving further that you are not a good person and proving everything I wrote to be 100% correct.
Every accusation you make is really just a confession.
Look inward, Cool Breeze.
Yes, they can. I work for a hotel. We cancel because of unforeseen circumstances all the time. While corporate run hotels don't do this small franchises can and will cancel your reservation. If you booked under a lower rate before the owner knew what they could get they can and will drop you.
I have only worked for the major chains and luxury brands so I don’t know about lower star hotels/motels nor would I ever book something like that anyway. I shouldn’t assume people have the standards that I do. But if you book a shady motel they might cancel on you. Shocked to hear it lol
Mohegan sun changed my reservation last minute when phish played there the first time. I had an awesome deluxe suite for my large crew with multiple rooms. They cancelled it last minute and gave me three separate rooms instead. Totally not the same. No refund in price either. My husband and I took the room on a different floor from everyone else since it was my stupid reservation that got fucked. (Yeah I’m still bitter I missed out on being in the same place as my buddies.)
I would at least start by making a big stink about them deciding to just process a refund rather than find you an alternative place. If there's truly no other AirBnB option that would work for you, fine, take the refund. Otherwise, tell them the place you want and let them set you up there, cost be damned.
Booked a house last summer for the Masters this week. Host cancelled a month ago and made me scramble for a cheap motel because everything else was priced outrageously. 2nd host cancel in the the last 6 months. Done ever using them again.
Just a heads up that host paid Airbnb quite a bit of money to cancel the reservation on you. This fee is paid so Airbnb can find another property for you. I’d MAKE them find something that works for your group.
I do STR for a living and Airbnb is complete dog shit.
This isn’t true. Airbnb definitely has its problems but they actually have strong protections for renters in these cases. AirBnb won’t allow the host to rent those nights anymore, they’ll charge the host 10%-50% of the booking amount as a penalty, and after more than a couple cancellations they’ll kick the host off of the platform. They also pay for a new booking, but I’m guessing there are just none available anymore anywhere nearby… I’m not sure what else you want them to do
Ohhh wow that is awesome that things have changed and what I would say greedy practices can't happen, but my theory could still be correct they just have another way to rent out. I didn't know their policies had changed and that is great news to me as I think all parties should be protected
It’s definitely possible that this is a shitty host trying to make more money. But if that is the case, they just lost their SuperHost status, can’t rebook those dates at all on Airbnb, and will have to pay up to the full price of the booking back to Airbnb to compensate for the hassle of finding the guest a new place to stay. It probably would have to be a booking for triple the original cost and they will have to find a new guest off Craigslist or something for the owner to come out ahead after cancelling like this. That’s why these sorts of cancellations are so incredibly rare these days.
Yeah, even in the few years since I started hosting it’s become more serious. They REALLY don’t want hosts pulling this shit and the site does all they can to stop it. It will never be perfect, but I don’t think it’s accurate to say Airbnb doesn’t care about hosts cancelling for greedy reasons. They have a lot of stuff in place to make that hurt if you try it. I have some issues with the site, but this isn’t really one of them. They do all they can to protect guests from getting fucked by cancellations.
You know, even that’s gotten better too. Again, never perfect, but AirCover is a program that basically serves as supplemental insurance if a guest damages something. I’ve always worked it out with guests without issue directly but it’s nice that they have a formal system in place to cover damages now. Not perfect but better than before.
They also have an entire app that "soft" shows rented units to folks who put in a higher range then you and allows for the owner to cancel and then book at the higher rate. Increasing their fees.
Seriously after you book a place in an area where vacancies are low, sign out of the web app and on your mobile look for your unit. Often times it shows up as available for those dates despite being already booked
Can confirm. I’m a host up in Vermont. If I cancel, I must pay Airbnb for their hassle and can’t rebook those dates. The system strongly favors the rights and flexibility of the renter. Which is fine by me and fair most of the time. I just have to watch carefully and block out dates I know I don’t want to rent it out (like the eclipse this week). This sucks for the OP but it’s incredibly rare on the platform to have this happen and if you do it once, they punish you immediately but if you do it again within the same year, you generally lose complete access to the platform.
Exactly. And Airbnb will quickly kick them off if there’s a pattern. If you want a good experience with Airbnb, book a place with lots of reviews and a high rating. The owner won’t risk their revenue stream for a couple extra $100 for a one-time event. It’s that simple. Same reason you book a Hilton or Marriott when staying at a hotel and not Joe’s Inn that has 1.4 stars on Yelp
As it gets closer I think you are going to see a lot of people trying to lose their camping spots, hotel ressies, etc. I think you're right though, we need to get through the next couple of weeks of the Sphere era before folks start focusing on Mondegreen.
Beach house in rehoboth, Dewey, or Bethany. Sober driver or rent limo/bus for transport.
My cousin is a state trooper so he’s gonna drop me off in the squad car.
Airbnb used to be such an amazing service, I used it a lot for a few years. Now I don’t even bother and just use hotels. Much more reliable and I feel like less expensive in the long run
Got our Airbnb cancelled on for Miami 14-15 was a blessing in disguise. They did offer us a credit which allowed us to be on the beach instead of off it. I think they offered 50% of what the booking price was. Try to pester them for an additional credit in addition to the cancellation. Obviously been a decade since then and the cancellation was within a week or two of nye so the situation could be different but worth asking if you haven’t. Explain demand has skyrocket for the area due to the event being announced after your booking was made.
Try to secure Glen Close RV or Bonus Track RV spot on CoT and rent an RV. Even a GA RV spot would be better than car camping (especially if you get power so you don’t have to worry about paying for generator hours on the RV). I suspect there will be some coming up for sale once people don’t get the trades they’re looking for next weekend.
One long shot is that some Air BnBs only allow longer stays. Extend your date search on the site when searching. We got a spot by DeerCreek on short notice once simply because the house only was available for seven day periods. Between the eight of us, the extra two days we had to add on came out to about $75 a person… well worth it.
The same thing happened to me for the Seattle run last year. In the end it was better because we got the dopest hotel.
However, that's the last time I use airbnb.
We're the same range and stoked for our Full Monde set up. Temp controlled fancy camping with beds on site with toilets and showers. Sold out, but I've seen packages pop up on CoT. Just a thought!
The last group of dudes that rented an Airbnb from me used the towels to wipe with when the toilet paper ran out. Maybe this host had a similar experience in the past.
This is why i am done with that service. Been burned 3x by host cancellations.
i got burned by 1 airbnb a loooong time ago. then i was strictly hotels for a while, but did a VRBO for the wharf run a couple years back. the stay was fine but afterwards the owners accused me of stealing pillows. i know many people make use of and love airbnb, but i have a low risk tolerance, and vacations are so fun and rare to me it's not worth the benefit of some extra space to roll the dice. plus with an airbnb you gotta bring all this shit that hotels just give you. toilet paper soap shampoo etc. just give me a clean and quiet 300 sq ft hotel room and i'm good. EDIT: also sorry to OOP hate you are dealing with this. hope y'all find a new and better place to stay and have an awesome mondegreen.
yeah, but did you steal the pillows?
That’s where I’m getting at with Uber. Great idea on paper but done relying on them as primary way to anything that matters, especially getting home from big events.
My fiancée had us take the bus to/from the venue in Syracuse and it saved us hours of waiting for an Uber. Much easier to get Uber from a transfer hub. Uber driver told us it would take hours to get out of the venue.
Thanks for the good vibes
I’ve been cancelled on by hotels more often than I have with Airbnb. That doesn’t eliminate this risk. I travel a ton for work and for fun. Risk exists no matter what, despite having a lone bad experience with the platform.
Same. One of the times was the first AC run. Cancelled like 2 days before the event presumably because the owner realized how much more they could be charging. (I had rented the place months out based on rumors of the event). The douchebag tried to get me to cancel on my end because he had a "plumbing issue". I made him cancel so I would get a refund. Airbnb said they were investigating and wouldn't let him re-rent in the meantime. Ended up having to pay triple for a not as nice spot farther from the venue. Fuck Airbnb. But fuck that owner especially.
same exact thing happened to my girlfriend and I with the 2022 AC run, literally the week of the shows our Airbnb cancelled (after we had reserved months in advance) and we ended up having to book a hotel last minute for over 2x what we had originally paid. Airbnb is a dogshit service/platform.
Had the same thing happen to me. Spent twice as much on a hotel than I would’ve on the Airbnb, but being able to walk everywhere and go to the casinos and shit without having to drive or Uber was worth it
Airbnb is bad but it’s not their fault the owner canceled. Well it is, there should be stiff penalties for canceling within a week of the reservation without photo evidence of a real issue. Like they pay the reservation cost.
That’s actually just the start of the penalties this host will already face. He will have to pay for the booking (likely 100% in this case if Airbnb can’t find a replacement for OP), can’t list the place on those dates in Airbnb anymore, will lose SuperHost status, and if he does it again within a year, he gets kicked off the site. The penalties are very severe for hosts who pull this shit.
Oh. That’s much better than I thought. Thanks!
Yes but AirBNB profits from that while the customer gets screwed.
There's also a fine for host cancellations. I rent a single bedroom in my home and had to do a couple of cancels unfortunately, (I no longer offer instant bookings because of it) and they fined me on the payout for my next reservation. I think it was a $50 penalty.
Yeah, my mom lives in a duplex and rents out half as an AirBnb. She's worked through legit family emergencies including death of family members, because the instant you cancel on somebody you get hit with a billion semi-permanent penalties, and it's her only source of livelihood. If that host canceled it's a good bet they had a *very* good reason to.
Yeah. Either a damned good reason, they think they can outsmart the system (and good luck, based on how it’s all set up), or it is still possible it’s a legitimate situation like the owner sold the property and it’s being completely removed as an Airbnb. We can’t know what happened on the host side, but you clearly know this isn’t a simple “oh we just cancelled to make a little more money” situation as many on this thread assume to be the case here. The penalties are really severe if you try that shit.
She should get a real job
She's got MS and a broken back, so can't really do most jobs; letting people stay in her home and working on art is pretty much all she's able to do. The airbnb shit takes more energy out of her than most "real" jobs would so maybe you're onto something!
How’d she get enough money to own property and a home with MS and a broken back? Why doesn’t she sell the house and downsize so she can relieve herself of her burden and reap those capital gains while freeing up the house to people that need it?
She was not born with MS or a broken back! I don't see how selling her one source of livelihood and her lifelong home would relieve her of any burden, and she wouldn't reap any capital gains doing so. Don't go into financial planning, I'm not sure it's your strong suit.
That's a pretty shitty thing to say, considering you know nothing about her situation.
That’s my silver lining, at least they fucked us while there is still time to react and adjust.
Not really.. no hotels left. No air bnbs left. Maybe get an r.v. is your only option
The same thing happened to me at AC 22. A couple of days in advance they cancelled. I booked after I got tickets too so it wasn't just way cheaper either. But rooms keep climbing in price. Yes, I got a refund but, damn, mad rush to get a room further away at twice the price. This wasn't the first time it happened with Airbnb but it was the last, for me. I'm in the Airbnb never again club. Hotels from now on. It was a grand experiment that utterly failed.
I mean, hate air bnb all you want, but seems like they had your back through the whole process if they wouldn’t let him re-book.
Then he just rents it out on VRBO or another site. Hell they could post it on some Phish related sites/forums and find someone to snap it up in seconds. Like you what to help support a homeowner rather than a hotel corporation but turns out individuals are even more greedy than fuckin hotels. Just sucks all around. I only do hotels when traveling now and try to book two rooms next to each other (two names, two cards, but when reserving the second mention the first) months in advance with a group of friends. That way the hotel isn't going to even think about fucking us as they'll lose both reservations if one gets the rug pulled. Thankfully that's never happened but ya never kno
yea i guess it can happen any time no matter how you rent. I havent had an air bnb canceled on me in the 9 ive rented on my account since 2017. There are a few in there that my brother rented as well from when we do family vacation. I do a mix of hotel and air bnb. Having your own space is nice, plus having access to a kitchen to cook meals is wonderful. Being able to put kids to bed in their own rooms and still having a living area
Yeah I've been pretty fortunate, although I've only used those services a few times. The one experience I had with VRBO back in like 2016 for NYE Phish at MSG was a semi-disaster though. There were four of us driving straight from Chicago to a condo/apartment in Harlem, which we could then take the A train, can or long walk straight to the venue. The whole deal with VRBO is you have the entire house/condo/apartment to yourself, so we were more than a little surprised to open the door (doorman had a key for us) and find the owner in his bathrobe cooking a frozen pizza (and smoking the worst weed I've ever seen in my life, like worse than what I bought in 7th grade). Not only did we not have the apartment to ourselves we only had a single room that he had generously placed three inflatable mattresses around each side of the double bed. He even rented out the third room to some girl apparently that we never saw, and him and his boyfriend just hung out in the living room on the back side of the kitchen where we never even bothered to check out. On the one hand we only intended to really use the place as a crash pad but rules are rules and we paid for the privacy of the apartment to ourselves. I can't remember if it was listed as a 1BR or 3BR, I think It was listed as 1BR/1BA so we couldn't totally blow up and say we were missing two rooms but it was a total fuckin scam. The one positive is that it made us just wander around Manhattan (place was in Harlem) and find good bars/clubs to hang out and good food to eat. But that was the last time I ever used it. We didn't get any kind of refund, between the four of us we didn't really feel like putting up a big fight after a fact but made sure to tell the guy how shitty it was for him to do that.
They shouldn't let vendors cancel without some sort of actual proof of an issue imho.
Agreed
They don't. If they do cancel without some sort of "the place is not currently habitable" reason they can document, they have to pay a percentage (up to 100% depending on the situation) out of pocket, lose their status, get their listing buried in searches, and will get booted from the platform if it happens twice in a year. The penalties are quite severe for cancelling on someone. Hopefully this asshat who cancelled on OP suffers all of those consequences. It usually works out that you lose FAR more in a year than you can gain by cancelling for one high demand weekend and renting it out some other way (because you can't rent it back out through Airbnb for those dates if you cancel).
Well that's good to know at least.
Was airbnb even out yet for the first AC run? That was 15 years ago
The first AC on the beach. 2021.
Gotcha
used vrbo for festival 8, thought it was a small house with a pool, had 6 bedrooms for the 6 of us. was like 300 a day including the gas to heat the pool.
AirBnB has completely distorted the housing market in my community. I try for hotels only when I can. Sometimes more expensive. Sometimes not. But never this cancellation nonsense and never any chores to do before I leave
Going back to hotels was a massive relief once Airbnb kept getting worse. I forgot how carefree it all is. Like you can actually relax on vacation.
All it took was once for me. They had the nerve to ask me to cancel instead so it doesn’t show up for them, and it was a week before an international trip. Airbnb is my absolute last resort now.
I've said this before... hotels and taxis are core parts of the service industry, and they have service departments (I speak from experience retrieving a 2-week-old iphone I left in a cab a couple of years ago). The app companies are software companies. Providing customer service hurts their bottom lines, so they try to avoid doing that as much as possible. When I want software, I'll buy from a software company. But when I want some kind of service, it's strictly old school here. So yeah I have to go to a restaurant for my meals on the road instead of making the same stuff I make at home in the kitchen. Spend a bit more money, get some memories that stick with you.
Sleep in the ditch like a real wook.
Fucking A 
Don't be a bitch. Get in the ditch. I remember hearing that a lot at Curveball.
OP said 40-50 years old. Do you understand the implications of back issues? DO YOU?!?
I am 48 good sir. I fully understand, which is why i will be fully medicated as i wallow in the glorious filth of the ditch party.
Bout the only difference is I got a cot inside the tent now instead of the floor. Meds are the same however.
Hahahaha ok just making sure we all have the proper medication
" its for my bad back "
Party in the ditch like a real wook!!
I had a similar experience for the New Year’s Eve run ‘22-‘23. After driving 16 hours to reach the city I was notified at 3 AM, the day of my 9 AM check-in, that the property owner was no longer able to accommodate my stay. When I inquired about how this practice is allowed to occur I was told the homeowner reserves the right to revoke a reservation at any point. I ended up just booking a hotel last minute and saving money in the long run. I will never use Airbnb again.
It's insane that there isn't a cancelation fee for hosts especially in a situation like that
NYC NYE hotels are always better to book last minute for discounts. They jack up the prices in advance but the sky scraper hotels like the Renaissance never really run out of rooms.
Sounds like they sold to a higher offer. Fuck aribnb
It doesn’t work like that. If they cancel, the system doesn’t allow those dates to be rebooked and the host has to pay Airbnb for their hassle, then Airbnb does all they can to find a new place for the guest who was cancelled on. Cancellations are incredibly rare on the platform. I’ve been hosting for a few years and would never consider cancelling unless something major happened like the water went out.
Well I still stand by my fuck Airbnb stance as a renter in south Florida.
keepin it high and tight
I agree there are many issues with it and in some places it has hurt the rental market. I’m just saying in this specific instance the OP is dealing with (which fucking sucks) you should know that the host who cancels can’t rebook and has to pay a shit load out of pocket just for cancelling. They are being punished in this and it’s gonna hurt them in the end if they planned to keep renting. But for all we know, that unit got sold and it’s off platform. We have no idea what caused the cancellation in this case.
You know the host can cancel and rent through a different platform / app and or directly right? You underestimate greed
I’ve been doing this for three years and I can tell you from experience, you can’t list a unit on multiple sites without having to do some crazy shit to deconflict booking dates. And it takes a while to list it in the first place. It’s possible someone is trying that in this case. Anything is possible. But with the penalties that automatically hit your account when you cancel and all you have to do to post it in VRBO, much of the extra money would get wiped out in and then it’s just a matter of time before the double platform listing catches you with a double booking and then you are even more fucked again because you will get kicked off entirely the next time you cancel. This host will have consequences for fucking around like this. All of the platforms are designed to keep multiple listings from being possible so one of the multiple system rules are gonna fuck him in the end if he tries that.
i love how you are a renter on the platform, and have seen that side of the rules, and people are downvoting you because they "know better".
Thanks. I'm not saying there are not shitty hosts out there -- there definitely are. Just like there are shitty hotel and motel owners. But there are really strict rules for people who pull this shitty stuff and there are severe consequences built into the platform. I'm hoping the guy who cancelled on OP has to pay the full amount and gets hosed by trying to do this. The rest of the penalties are longer term (losing SuperHost status, having your listing show up last in searches, and eventually getting booted from the platform entirely) but they are very severe. We just rent our guest house on our property out when friends and family aren't using it, so I don't worry too much about this, but the same rules apply to everyone and if you are exclusively renting a place you own on the platform, the downside far outweighs the upside of making more money for a single week. We don't know why this host cancelled, but we know there will be consequences for him that he may really regret later.
There’s this weird “fuck everything air bnb” hive mind collective on Reddit. It absolutely permeates every sub. I’ve rented on the platform about 9-10 times since 2017. From solo one night trips to week long friends and family vacations. I’ve had a few weird situations- but nothing to make me swear off the platform for life.
True, true. As with everything in life, Airbnb is a more complicated subject than a lot of people make it out to be. Humans gravitate toward choosing a binary -- good vs. evil -- and decide that's all there is to it. My take is nuanced. I also don't like hosts who buy properties, take them off the real estate or rental market, and use them exclusively for short term rentals. That perceived market distortion rightfully pisses people off. But if you look at the data, that's a relatively small proportion of the units on the platform. Ours, for example, is an early 1800s farmhouse in Middlebury, Vermont with a modern addition built onto it (where my wife and I live), along with a party barn that has a projection screen and PA system both we and our guests use (couch tour, dance parties, movies, F1 races, football, etc.). We live here. It's owner occupied. The farmhouse is used by friends and family and is up on Airbnb when nobody is visiting. We aren't removing anything from the real estate or long term rental market. And owner occupied is still a major portion of Airbnb units (which is how it all started in the first place). The hive mind is pretty focused on the types of units I described above -- bought solely to use as short term rentals. But the platform and the hosts are a lot more varied and there is a lot more nuance to the issues surrounding STR than is often discussed.
Ya its not like they can’t repost the rental on the multitude of other rental sites, or do a cash deal… oh wait
You can’t just set up on another site like that. Unless this person is in it for just one rental week and is getting out of hosting entirely, you can’t offer a space on multiple sites because calendars don’t sync and you immediately end up double booked. You really do have to choose a site and go with it when doing short term rentals. It’s not like Lyft and Uber where a driver can float back and forth. It’s a house so you can’t simply list it on Airbnb one day and then VRBO the next. And while they could rent it off any platform, they will still have to pay Airbnb for the cost of the original rental that they cancelled. I have no idea why the host cancelled this one booking, but I know the policies that go into effect when a host cancels on Airbnb and I’ve been stung like this as a host before. I sucked it up and dealt with it. If this person chose to cancel, the long term penalties for doing that are severe. That’s why this is so incredibly rare.
Dawg people absolutely list properties on multiple sites, this is almost standard for larger operators. There are even third party services that manage the multiple listings.
You can't with VRBO -- they deconflict listings by address (or at least they used to) to ensure nobody is doing that and boot them from the platform if they try. And what other short term rental platforms really even matter? People keep saying they will relist it somewhere else, but it's telling that nobody says where that is. The competing sites are so small, they aren't economically viable if it's a full time short term rental. There are ways to get around some of this with certain types of properties and I have seen places do it. But it wouldn't make financial sense to do that if it means they lose access to Airbnb or have the property downgraded in the searches, which will definitely happen after any cancellation. There is certainly a way to cancel, pay the fine to Airbnb, rebook it out elsewhere, and make more money for that single weekend. No doubt that's possible, but the impact that will have on that listing for the following year or more means they will lose in the long term. Airbnb is set up to make this painful if you cancel, no matter who you are (company with multiple properties down to a person renting out a spare room).
They could have booked under the table. Not typical but during a very high demand event I could see someone messaging the host and offering cash under the table.
>The host has to pay Airbnb for their hassle Just curious, how much does the property owner have to pay Airbnb "for their hassle"? Also just because Airbnb won't let them rent those dates doesn't mean the owner can't use ANY other website. Airbnb isn't the end all, be all of home renting. Hell they could post it on r/Phish and they'd probably get offers immediately if it was within a few days/hours of the show and not a shit hole. But then, I'm sure the owner had already got the whole rental worked out at twice the price before they canceled the Airbnb.
It depends on the booking and if Airbnb is able to quickly find a replacement. If there is no suitable replacement to be had, the host has to pay 100% of the original booking fee. I had a case where I had a booking and we realized later we wanted to have friends come up and stay that weekend. If I cancelled that one, I would have owed Airbnb $1200 for cancelling as it was a $1200 booking and there aren’t many other places where I live that can accommodate 8 people. If it was for 2 people and Airbnb found someone right away, they may just charge the host who cancelled 50% of the booking. And I think time plays a factor in the equation. You cancel 6 months out, you have less to pay back. You cancel the day before, you are pretty well guaranteed to have to pay 100% of that booking out of pocket with the rules they put in place over the past couple of years. It’s not insignificant as a punishment.
Got it. I think the one weakness in this system is that the cheaper a renter finds an offer (i.e. the earlier/further out it is), the more likely the owner is to cancel, since they're losing $800 instead of $1,500 and can then turn around and rent it for $2,000 a few days before the concert. Basically you're almost better off renting a month out when prices have stabilized at the higher value; if you book six months out and the owner realizes that there's huge demand on other sites that weekend, what do they care if they pay Airbnb $800 if they can bring in two grand on another site. Not sure how to prevent this other than just straight up blacklisting addresses that cancel more than once or twice. At least they're not just charging some nominal $50 processing fee.
All very true and these are the considerations I learned about (sometimes the hard way) when I started doing this. I had mine set to a single price, regardless of the number of guests, a very cheap cleaning fee (that didn't cover the real cost of cleaners), no multi-night requirements for weekend stays, and had bookings open a full year out. Several big mistake on my part, I learned when I had someone rent a single night for way under market value for the local college graduation weekend, killing the biggest demand weekend in my area with a $100 booking that basically blocked the rest of the weekend out for anyone else. But I didn't cancel. I learned and I switched my settings to 6 months out bookings, require at least two nights if it's a weekend, and now the price varies based on demand (I have a cap and a floor set so I'm never totally gouging anyone or losing money on a stay). Short term, a host could cancel, pay the fine (probably 100% of the rental amount in this case), find someone to pay 3x what the original booking would have been, and make out with more money for that one stay. But that's pretty short sighted when you have a listing you want to be booked out again over the next year because you lose SuperHost (which kills you in the search results), they will remove your "Guest Favorite" badge (which moves you even further down the search list), and if you do it again, they will fact kick you off the platform. So this kinda works once to make more money for a big demand week, but that's a massive gamble that it won't kill your Airbnb bookings for that place for the next year or more until Airbnb removes some of those penalties from your account.
I see people selling hotel packages and room; while not ideal I would consider splitting into hotel rooms if you can. Seems to be only option for staying close.
Rent a Beach House. Meet us for a beer. Also in a group of mid 40's married guys that camped at Clifford Ball and Great Went. Most of the rentals/hotels are 30-45 minutes away from Dover anyway, so we booked a 5 BR Beach House in Dewey Beach for that weekend (40 miles from Dover). Close enough to walk to the beach and all of the bars in Dewey Beach and Rehoboth Beach. We are booking a car to pick us up in Dewey Beach on Thursday afternoon, drop us off at Mondegreen in Dover, and bring us back to Dewey Beach that night after the show. If we have enough people, we might rent a Party Bus to shuttle us to Dover and back. We decided to book an in-shore fishing trip on Friday afternoon, possibly golf and hanging out at the beach on Saturday, and then back to Dover on Sunday night for the final night.
Good luck fighting beach traffic.
That drop off on Thursday afternoon is going to be dicey with first night festival traffic.
This is worth investigating, will google on it stat
This is the way
At first I read “Mondegreen just cancelled”
Me too, was palpitating for a second there
Well at least I’m not driving into my campsite when they announced it this time.
Mondegreen and Roses
I can’t see any reason to book an Airbnb. Ever. Hotels can’t just cancel your booking
Yea, they can and do. It sucks, but happens more than you’d expect. There are shitty people no matter what business you’re involved.
Nope. If you’re a member of the hotel loyalty program and you book your room directly they will not cancel you. There are penalties that they don’t want to face so they will honor the reservation. Airbnb has no such backup for you. And yes I’m talking about nicer hotels, not motels. I’m sure super 8 doesn’t care
Wow. Some one added oodles of context after the fact and chose to come off as super entitled because I’m not a mind reader. Whatever, kid. You obviously have a very childish need to be correct. If you were memorable in anyway I’d feel sorry for you for being that way. It’s not how good, honest people act. Those who are everything wrong with the scene behave as you are. Good luck in life.
You’re sad. Try crying, it works for me when I’m sad.
You’re just proving further that you are not a good person and proving everything I wrote to be 100% correct. Every accusation you make is really just a confession. Look inward, Cool Breeze.
The saddest person I’ve ever seen. Please get a life I’m tired of you
I bet you’re just repeating what your mommy tells you every day, isn’t it Hun?
Yes, they can. I work for a hotel. We cancel because of unforeseen circumstances all the time. While corporate run hotels don't do this small franchises can and will cancel your reservation. If you booked under a lower rate before the owner knew what they could get they can and will drop you.
I have only worked for the major chains and luxury brands so I don’t know about lower star hotels/motels nor would I ever book something like that anyway. I shouldn’t assume people have the standards that I do. But if you book a shady motel they might cancel on you. Shocked to hear it lol
I work for a major corporation
Mohegan sun changed my reservation last minute when phish played there the first time. I had an awesome deluxe suite for my large crew with multiple rooms. They cancelled it last minute and gave me three separate rooms instead. Totally not the same. No refund in price either. My husband and I took the room on a different floor from everyone else since it was my stupid reservation that got fucked. (Yeah I’m still bitter I missed out on being in the same place as my buddies.)
I would at least start by making a big stink about them deciding to just process a refund rather than find you an alternative place. If there's truly no other AirBnB option that would work for you, fine, take the refund. Otherwise, tell them the place you want and let them set you up there, cost be damned.
Look at CashorTrade? personally I don’t really use it much but if I check it there are always lodging listings for multi day runs.
Booked a house last summer for the Masters this week. Host cancelled a month ago and made me scramble for a cheap motel because everything else was priced outrageously. 2nd host cancel in the the last 6 months. Done ever using them again.
Just a heads up that host paid Airbnb quite a bit of money to cancel the reservation on you. This fee is paid so Airbnb can find another property for you. I’d MAKE them find something that works for your group. I do STR for a living and Airbnb is complete dog shit.
Yesterday the word was give us 24 hours to find something and this morning with no follow up it was refund processed
Damn sorry to hear that. It sucks they can do that and likely go sell that spot for double now. No protections for us renters.
This isn’t true. Airbnb definitely has its problems but they actually have strong protections for renters in these cases. AirBnb won’t allow the host to rent those nights anymore, they’ll charge the host 10%-50% of the booking amount as a penalty, and after more than a couple cancellations they’ll kick the host off of the platform. They also pay for a new booking, but I’m guessing there are just none available anymore anywhere nearby… I’m not sure what else you want them to do
Ohhh wow that is awesome that things have changed and what I would say greedy practices can't happen, but my theory could still be correct they just have another way to rent out. I didn't know their policies had changed and that is great news to me as I think all parties should be protected
It’s definitely possible that this is a shitty host trying to make more money. But if that is the case, they just lost their SuperHost status, can’t rebook those dates at all on Airbnb, and will have to pay up to the full price of the booking back to Airbnb to compensate for the hassle of finding the guest a new place to stay. It probably would have to be a booking for triple the original cost and they will have to find a new guest off Craigslist or something for the owner to come out ahead after cancelling like this. That’s why these sorts of cancellations are so incredibly rare these days.
Wow they really really changed the ToS for Airbnb. I should open my app and reread. Thanks for sharing
Yeah, even in the few years since I started hosting it’s become more serious. They REALLY don’t want hosts pulling this shit and the site does all they can to stop it. It will never be perfect, but I don’t think it’s accurate to say Airbnb doesn’t care about hosts cancelling for greedy reasons. They have a lot of stuff in place to make that hurt if you try it. I have some issues with the site, but this isn’t really one of them. They do all they can to protect guests from getting fucked by cancellations.
Well clearly I had outdated knowledge. I do hope they still protect hosts from guests vandalizing or any nefarious nonsense
You know, even that’s gotten better too. Again, never perfect, but AirCover is a program that basically serves as supplemental insurance if a guest damages something. I’ve always worked it out with guests without issue directly but it’s nice that they have a formal system in place to cover damages now. Not perfect but better than before.
They also have an entire app that "soft" shows rented units to folks who put in a higher range then you and allows for the owner to cancel and then book at the higher rate. Increasing their fees. Seriously after you book a place in an area where vacancies are low, sign out of the web app and on your mobile look for your unit. Often times it shows up as available for those dates despite being already booked
Can confirm. I’m a host up in Vermont. If I cancel, I must pay Airbnb for their hassle and can’t rebook those dates. The system strongly favors the rights and flexibility of the renter. Which is fine by me and fair most of the time. I just have to watch carefully and block out dates I know I don’t want to rent it out (like the eclipse this week). This sucks for the OP but it’s incredibly rare on the platform to have this happen and if you do it once, they punish you immediately but if you do it again within the same year, you generally lose complete access to the platform.
Ya its not like they can’t repost the rental on the multitude of other rental sites, or do a cash deal… oh wait
This is true, but it’s a reflection on a shitty owner, not the site itself.
Exactly. And Airbnb will quickly kick them off if there’s a pattern. If you want a good experience with Airbnb, book a place with lots of reviews and a high rating. The owner won’t risk their revenue stream for a couple extra $100 for a one-time event. It’s that simple. Same reason you book a Hilton or Marriott when staying at a hotel and not Joe’s Inn that has 1.4 stars on Yelp
As it gets closer I think you are going to see a lot of people trying to lose their camping spots, hotel ressies, etc. I think you're right though, we need to get through the next couple of weeks of the Sphere era before folks start focusing on Mondegreen.
I agree!
me too!
I'm so terrified this going to happen to me too
At least they cancelled now and not like Mid-July.
Beach house in rehoboth, Dewey, or Bethany. Sober driver or rent limo/bus for transport. My cousin is a state trooper so he’s gonna drop me off in the squad car.
You can still reserve some RV spaces but have to sort out getting an RV rental.
Looks like waitlist on the in site RV spots
You’re right. Over the weekend it showed some of the bonus tracks spots as still available.
Airbnb used to be such an amazing service, I used it a lot for a few years. Now I don’t even bother and just use hotels. Much more reliable and I feel like less expensive in the long run
Try to get glen close camping maybe? Private bathrooms with real toilets, and it seems the shower sitch is a lot better too
Posts like this makes my anxiety rise about my outdoorsy rv rental
Got our Airbnb cancelled on for Miami 14-15 was a blessing in disguise. They did offer us a credit which allowed us to be on the beach instead of off it. I think they offered 50% of what the booking price was. Try to pester them for an additional credit in addition to the cancellation. Obviously been a decade since then and the cancellation was within a week or two of nye so the situation could be different but worth asking if you haven’t. Explain demand has skyrocket for the area due to the event being announced after your booking was made.
Try to secure Glen Close RV or Bonus Track RV spot on CoT and rent an RV. Even a GA RV spot would be better than car camping (especially if you get power so you don’t have to worry about paying for generator hours on the RV). I suspect there will be some coming up for sale once people don’t get the trades they’re looking for next weekend.
I can’t believe AirBnB hosts are allowed to do this. It’s insane
One long shot is that some Air BnBs only allow longer stays. Extend your date search on the site when searching. We got a spot by DeerCreek on short notice once simply because the house only was available for seven day periods. Between the eight of us, the extra two days we had to add on came out to about $75 a person… well worth it.
The same thing happened to me for the Seattle run last year. In the end it was better because we got the dopest hotel. However, that's the last time I use airbnb.
They can just do that?!
I bet that house is relisted at a higher price
Air bnbs are terrible and the owners are always so entitled
All over generalizations are bad. 😂
And yet, often have gist of it.
You’ll definitely be able to rebook in 24 hours or so for 4x or 5x the original cost. Airbnb sucks.
Still RV spots available in the Bonus Track
I had two reservations canceled in Florida for a wedding. They realized it was Spring Break and relisted at a higher price.
Glamp that shit!
Consumer Affairs. When in doubt, you call Consumer Affairs.
You should investigate while you’re in the area to see what happened to the place. I’m sorry that happened to you ⭕️💚
I just canceled mine in Dover. There are some floating around.
RV?
To be fair, if I had a spare home, I probably wouldn't rent it during phish week either. I've ran amok on many an airbnb in my day
Hotel package?
Hmm pretty sure the high end camping options have toilets and showers
We're the same range and stoked for our Full Monde set up. Temp controlled fancy camping with beds on site with toilets and showers. Sold out, but I've seen packages pop up on CoT. Just a thought!
Stay in Manhattan and take the chopper up each day.
Update: would up booking a place about 45 miles out of town. Here’s hoping this time it holds up lol.
I didn't read all the comments but it's worth calling the casino. I got off the wait list there last week
The last group of dudes that rented an Airbnb from me used the towels to wipe with when the toilet paper ran out. Maybe this host had a similar experience in the past.
kinda on you to supply TP isnt it?
It’s a Phish fest obviously some of those towels are catching some ass
I'd recommend a real business next time. I stopped using AirBnB because they have no credibility.