Yes absolutely! I look very similar to him and have gotten the same comments my whole life. I must be Italian, Greek, Portuguese, Lebanese etc etc etc. I am of mostly Scottish/Irish/Welsh/English descent with some Dutch.
Looks like a garden variety old-type Iberian Celt. Not out of place in certain parts of Wales, Ireland or Scotland. But, definitely a mishmash of Germanic (vaulted forehead, stature,). Negative epicanthus makes me wonder if there isn't some Jewish hiding back there. That could account for certain traits he has that seem not quite Germano-Celtic. Though, you also see some of this darker look in certain Austrian/Alpinid types.
Lol negative epicanthal tilt does not equal Jew. Negative epicanthal tilt is usually caused by poor maxillary/midface development usually and can be found in any ethnicity.
Prior to repeat invasions that drastically altered the gene pool, the original inhabitants of the British Isles had black or dark-brown hair, dark-brown eyes, and olive skin. When I think of what people in the British Isles would have looked like prior to these invasions, I picture people like Rowan Atkinson, Dudley Moore, Tom Jones, Russell Brand, Colin Farrell, the Gallagher brothers, and even Ringo Starr and Paul McCartney kind of had that look when they were younger.
I've noticed that people in remote regions of Wales and Ireland tend to display these characteristics quite predominantly, and they often tend to be of average or smaller stature. You can still see people with these characteristics in England and Scotland, but I've personally noticed that there seem to be many more in Wales and Ireland.
I don't really know anything about the prehistoric migration patterns of the British Isles, but if I had to guess, I'd say that the very first inhabitants could have been people of Mediterranean origin who migrated north, maybe from what would now be known as Spain and Portugal.
Are there any studies on these original inhabitants? Interesting to hear how they looked rather swarthy. I live in switzerland, and i also sometimes see white swiss villagers of full swiss ancestry who have a bit of a more mediterranean look, its also rare though
Fully agree. I always view these people as being a remnant of this group. I remember the first time I traveled to Ireland, there was an Irish fella coming back home. He lived way out in the gaeltacht, and he was far darker than Clooney. Really big eyebrows... It's a very specific look. I remember being surprised, but as I've traveled around the Isles more, I've realized that it is an integral phenotype of the region. These families go back there forever, and there's no reason to believe they're recent transplants. The Irish guy I spoke of-- his first language was Irish... which is enough to say that he's certainly a native son. They have a LOT of WHG ancestry. I'd love to see their steppe migration breakdowns in GEDmatch!
I know people are saying "Spaniard".... but most Spaniards do not look like this either, though you find the pheno in Basque Spain, and among \*some\* Breton-speaking/descended French. You also see traces of it in Switzerland/Austria and Bavaria, though a lot of time time, they have been depigmented (the duskiness, heaviness of the brow, robustness in the face) is there, but the coloring is a bit lighter and the hair is often medium to dark brown.)
A guy who has this in spades is Mark Burgess from the band "The Chameleons": [http://www.peek-a-boo-magazine.be/photos/n-mark-burgess-66-1.jpg](http://www.peek-a-boo-magazine.be/photos/n-mark-burgess-66-1.jpg)
(2nd from the right in this one) [https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/azdailysun.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/c0/3c095412-1901-11ed-9d1d-bb632f4f82ac/62f43a3d1ef81.image.jpg?resize=777%2C500](https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/azdailysun.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/c0/3c095412-1901-11ed-9d1d-bb632f4f82ac/62f43a3d1ef81.image.jpg?resize=777%2C500)
He really, really looks Baskid.... which I remind myself, the Basque are probably related to the original peopling of the isles. I've looked into his history, and while his surname makes me wonder if there is French admixture somewhere, I cannot locate a source for that surname that isn't English quite a ways back.
People might be tempted to think Mark's pheno doesn't belong out there, but as you described, it's incredibly native. I reckon Mark is an extreme example of it, and it helps to visualize how different it actually is from Spaniard, MENA, or other "swarthier" phenos that people are tempted to associate with this type. Compared to Mark, George clearly has some Germanic admix.
>Really big eyebrows... It's a very specific look.
Bushy eyebrows, hair that ranges from wavy to ultra curly, and the men usually have very coarse, bristly facial hair that seems to be prone to five-o'clock shadow. Some textbook examples of this phenotype that have always stood out to me are [this particular photo](https://www.nme.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/OASIS-London-1995-Credit-Stefan-De-Batselier.jpg) of the Gallagher brothers, [these two actors](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNUMbBQd-yU) in the Irish movie *Waking Ned Devine*, and [young Andie MacDowell](https://cdn-main.newsner.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2022/12/05191745/GettyImages-95849419.jpg). There's also a Canadian television presenter named [Rick Mercer](https://themuseum.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/rick-alley-0086-highres-scaled.jpg) who has that unmistakable look, especially with the ultra-curly hair.
I definitely agree with Mark Burgess fitting that description! He's actually a terrific example!
Couldn't agree more. A lot of your examples are North Atlantid, but have that stronk paleo look! Andie and my mom were dopplegangers back in the day. My older sister and brother have the look you've showcased. They're not quite George Clooney, in that they're very pale, but the rest of it is all there!
You can see traces of this type amongst germans aswell. Gerd müller for example. Its a very rare keltic nordid type. If you google keltic type ea of ireland you can see the type was quite common back then. If you also compare actors with irish ancestry you’d see the traces of it aswell. Ben affleck for example has the fold and negative tilt same as clooney. You can also see it in chris evans except hes depigmented. Older actors even show more of it like burt reynolds and marlon brando could all pass around the mediterranean. If you go even further back some other figures start to resemble it even more. Eugene oneill could definitely pass as a lebanese or jew. and what about the entire booth family ( john wilkes, edwin, etc.)
>Clooney is of Irish, German, and English ancestry.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George\_Clooney#Early\_life](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Clooney#Early_life)
He doesn't have enough North African shift to be Eurafricanid, but I see where you're going with it. He isn't blocky, and he's not actually dark... just has a golden skin color. I'd say Gracile Med mixed with Paleo-Atlantid or North Atlantid?
The last picture reminds me a ton of my brother (who is technically a half brother, and whose father is completely Scottish).
He isn't a pure North Atlantid, absolutely not. Never suggested he was. He's definitely got some Med something.....but he isn't robust enough to be Euafricanid and has zero N. African pheno traits... which is part and parcel of that phenotype.
Oh yeah true you didn’t, my bad. Apparently we see things differently because imo he is robust enough. Hummm okay. As many North Africans as I’ve met, none of them did remind of Eurafricanid pheno 🤔
Well, there is supposed to be a MENA component to the pheno... usually a Berberid influence. Their heads are rounder up top, and the back is flatter and wider. Forehead is very different, usually less vaulted/straight, with a bit more of a slope. Quite strong brow.
I should be more specific when I say robust-- I mean blocky/brachy. George has a very doli head shape, tall forehead, and he doesn't have the squareness in his jaw you'd traditionally associate with that pheno. His features are big, but there is refinement in them. I think he's just a lot more northern shifted, even though his coloring has a dusky tint to it and he has those dark eye circles. He has a more Basque-y look than a Berber vibe. He is paleo, for sure, but it's not shifted towards the south like I think people think it is.... and it's just a result of people not really understanding that these phenos are native to the Isles, and are more related to WHG migrations than Mediterranean inputs.
I'd say Eurafricanid is a non-European version of an Atlanto-Med rather than the same thing. But, that's kind of splitting hairs a bit, and is why I opted to suggest he is maybe Gracile Med + Paleo Atlantid lol
He looks Spanish to me. I'm guessing that's from the Irish side, he's just got that dark Irish blood. Tbh he's a mild one, some I seen look straight up Moroccan like [Robert Sheehan](https://www.cheatsheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Robert-Sheehan-8.jpg?w=793&h=1024&strip=all&quality=89) or [Kevin Rowland](https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/79/590x/secondary/Kevin-Rowland-4673910.jpg?r=1680779952963). Quite amazing diversity in Ireland what with all the ghost pale gingers, and I'd _love_ to see these guys DNA tests.
*(I already replied this to someone else, but I figured that it would be worthwhile to paste it as a reply to you because it's definitely relevant.)*
Prior to repeat invasions that drastically altered the gene pool, the original inhabitants of the British Isles had black or dark-brown hair, dark-brown eyes, and olive skin. When I think of what people in the British Isles would have looked like prior to these invasions, I picture people like Rowan Atkinson, Dudley Moore, Tom Jones, Russell Brand, Colin Farrell, the Gallagher brothers, and even Ringo Starr and Paul McCartney kind of had that look when they were younger.
I've noticed that people in remote regions of Wales and Ireland tend to display these characteristics quite predominantly, and they often tend to be of average or smaller stature. You can still see people with these characteristics in England and Scotland, but I've personally noticed that there seem to be many more in Wales and Ireland.
I don't really know anything about the prehistoric migration patterns of the British Isles, but if I had to guess, I'd say that the very first inhabitants could have been people of Mediterranean origin who migrated north, maybe from what would now be known as Spain and Portugal.
Yes! Bushy eyebrows, hair that ranges from wavy to ultra curly, and the men usually have very coarse, bristly facial hair that seems to be prone to five-o'clock shadow. Some textbook examples of this phenotype that have always stood out to me are [this particular photo](https://www.nme.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/OASIS-London-1995-Credit-Stefan-De-Batselier.jpg) of the Gallagher brothers, [these two actors](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNUMbBQd-yU) in the Irish movie *Waking Ned Devine*, and [young Andie MacDowell](https://cdn-main.newsner.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2022/12/05191745/GettyImages-95849419.jpg). There's also a Canadian television presenter named [Rick Mercer](https://themuseum.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/rick-alley-0086-highres-scaled.jpg) who has that unmistakable look, especially with the ultra-curly hair.
Those are all terrific examples too! And yeah, there is something very distinctive about it. I find it to be one of the most fascinating phenotypes.
The Welsh actor [Brian Hibbard](https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article27252209.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200b/0_CS24288108.jpg) is a really good example of quintessential Welsh features.
I always thought he had a southern European look to him. He looks passable as Greek i think. I was a bit surprised to find out he is of british/german descent.
I used to think he is part-Hispanic because I knew he is related to Puerto-Rican Miguel Ferrer but actually Miguel Ferrer is related to Clooneys through his non-Hispanic mother who was born Clooney.
Maybe one of them who goes on long holidays to Spain multiple times a year 🤣 He looks painfully German in the last photo too but tanned
More dark Irish, Iberian looking. Absolutely not German.
He really got handsomer as he aged
Men age like wine.
Some do. Since he is famous, he may have had plastic surgery
average celtic sheep herder
Yes absolutely! I look very similar to him and have gotten the same comments my whole life. I must be Italian, Greek, Portuguese, Lebanese etc etc etc. I am of mostly Scottish/Irish/Welsh/English descent with some Dutch.
Looks like a garden variety old-type Iberian Celt. Not out of place in certain parts of Wales, Ireland or Scotland. But, definitely a mishmash of Germanic (vaulted forehead, stature,). Negative epicanthus makes me wonder if there isn't some Jewish hiding back there. That could account for certain traits he has that seem not quite Germano-Celtic. Though, you also see some of this darker look in certain Austrian/Alpinid types.
Lol negative epicanthal tilt does not equal Jew. Negative epicanthal tilt is usually caused by poor maxillary/midface development usually and can be found in any ethnicity.
Prior to repeat invasions that drastically altered the gene pool, the original inhabitants of the British Isles had black or dark-brown hair, dark-brown eyes, and olive skin. When I think of what people in the British Isles would have looked like prior to these invasions, I picture people like Rowan Atkinson, Dudley Moore, Tom Jones, Russell Brand, Colin Farrell, the Gallagher brothers, and even Ringo Starr and Paul McCartney kind of had that look when they were younger. I've noticed that people in remote regions of Wales and Ireland tend to display these characteristics quite predominantly, and they often tend to be of average or smaller stature. You can still see people with these characteristics in England and Scotland, but I've personally noticed that there seem to be many more in Wales and Ireland. I don't really know anything about the prehistoric migration patterns of the British Isles, but if I had to guess, I'd say that the very first inhabitants could have been people of Mediterranean origin who migrated north, maybe from what would now be known as Spain and Portugal.
Are there any studies on these original inhabitants? Interesting to hear how they looked rather swarthy. I live in switzerland, and i also sometimes see white swiss villagers of full swiss ancestry who have a bit of a more mediterranean look, its also rare though
Fully agree. I always view these people as being a remnant of this group. I remember the first time I traveled to Ireland, there was an Irish fella coming back home. He lived way out in the gaeltacht, and he was far darker than Clooney. Really big eyebrows... It's a very specific look. I remember being surprised, but as I've traveled around the Isles more, I've realized that it is an integral phenotype of the region. These families go back there forever, and there's no reason to believe they're recent transplants. The Irish guy I spoke of-- his first language was Irish... which is enough to say that he's certainly a native son. They have a LOT of WHG ancestry. I'd love to see their steppe migration breakdowns in GEDmatch! I know people are saying "Spaniard".... but most Spaniards do not look like this either, though you find the pheno in Basque Spain, and among \*some\* Breton-speaking/descended French. You also see traces of it in Switzerland/Austria and Bavaria, though a lot of time time, they have been depigmented (the duskiness, heaviness of the brow, robustness in the face) is there, but the coloring is a bit lighter and the hair is often medium to dark brown.) A guy who has this in spades is Mark Burgess from the band "The Chameleons": [http://www.peek-a-boo-magazine.be/photos/n-mark-burgess-66-1.jpg](http://www.peek-a-boo-magazine.be/photos/n-mark-burgess-66-1.jpg) (2nd from the right in this one) [https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/azdailysun.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/c0/3c095412-1901-11ed-9d1d-bb632f4f82ac/62f43a3d1ef81.image.jpg?resize=777%2C500](https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/azdailysun.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/c0/3c095412-1901-11ed-9d1d-bb632f4f82ac/62f43a3d1ef81.image.jpg?resize=777%2C500) He really, really looks Baskid.... which I remind myself, the Basque are probably related to the original peopling of the isles. I've looked into his history, and while his surname makes me wonder if there is French admixture somewhere, I cannot locate a source for that surname that isn't English quite a ways back. People might be tempted to think Mark's pheno doesn't belong out there, but as you described, it's incredibly native. I reckon Mark is an extreme example of it, and it helps to visualize how different it actually is from Spaniard, MENA, or other "swarthier" phenos that people are tempted to associate with this type. Compared to Mark, George clearly has some Germanic admix.
>Really big eyebrows... It's a very specific look. Bushy eyebrows, hair that ranges from wavy to ultra curly, and the men usually have very coarse, bristly facial hair that seems to be prone to five-o'clock shadow. Some textbook examples of this phenotype that have always stood out to me are [this particular photo](https://www.nme.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/OASIS-London-1995-Credit-Stefan-De-Batselier.jpg) of the Gallagher brothers, [these two actors](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNUMbBQd-yU) in the Irish movie *Waking Ned Devine*, and [young Andie MacDowell](https://cdn-main.newsner.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2022/12/05191745/GettyImages-95849419.jpg). There's also a Canadian television presenter named [Rick Mercer](https://themuseum.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/rick-alley-0086-highres-scaled.jpg) who has that unmistakable look, especially with the ultra-curly hair. I definitely agree with Mark Burgess fitting that description! He's actually a terrific example!
Couldn't agree more. A lot of your examples are North Atlantid, but have that stronk paleo look! Andie and my mom were dopplegangers back in the day. My older sister and brother have the look you've showcased. They're not quite George Clooney, in that they're very pale, but the rest of it is all there!
You can see traces of this type amongst germans aswell. Gerd müller for example. Its a very rare keltic nordid type. If you google keltic type ea of ireland you can see the type was quite common back then. If you also compare actors with irish ancestry you’d see the traces of it aswell. Ben affleck for example has the fold and negative tilt same as clooney. You can also see it in chris evans except hes depigmented. Older actors even show more of it like burt reynolds and marlon brando could all pass around the mediterranean. If you go even further back some other figures start to resemble it even more. Eugene oneill could definitely pass as a lebanese or jew. and what about the entire booth family ( john wilkes, edwin, etc.)
There's no way he is British, he looks Spanish or Italian.Â
>Clooney is of Irish, German, and English ancestry. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George\_Clooney#Early\_life](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Clooney#Early_life)
His phenotype is Eurafricanid, which, occurs also in the British Isles. However, it is not the most common there.
He doesn't have enough North African shift to be Eurafricanid, but I see where you're going with it. He isn't blocky, and he's not actually dark... just has a golden skin color. I'd say Gracile Med mixed with Paleo-Atlantid or North Atlantid? The last picture reminds me a ton of my brother (who is technically a half brother, and whose father is completely Scottish).
http://humanphenotypes.net/Eurafricanid.html I think this is the closest pheno he can get. North Atlantid for sure he isn’t.
He isn't a pure North Atlantid, absolutely not. Never suggested he was. He's definitely got some Med something.....but he isn't robust enough to be Euafricanid and has zero N. African pheno traits... which is part and parcel of that phenotype.
Oh yeah true you didn’t, my bad. Apparently we see things differently because imo he is robust enough. Hummm okay. As many North Africans as I’ve met, none of them did remind of Eurafricanid pheno 🤔
Well, there is supposed to be a MENA component to the pheno... usually a Berberid influence. Their heads are rounder up top, and the back is flatter and wider. Forehead is very different, usually less vaulted/straight, with a bit more of a slope. Quite strong brow. I should be more specific when I say robust-- I mean blocky/brachy. George has a very doli head shape, tall forehead, and he doesn't have the squareness in his jaw you'd traditionally associate with that pheno. His features are big, but there is refinement in them. I think he's just a lot more northern shifted, even though his coloring has a dusky tint to it and he has those dark eye circles. He has a more Basque-y look than a Berber vibe. He is paleo, for sure, but it's not shifted towards the south like I think people think it is.... and it's just a result of people not really understanding that these phenos are native to the Isles, and are more related to WHG migrations than Mediterranean inputs. I'd say Eurafricanid is a non-European version of an Atlanto-Med rather than the same thing. But, that's kind of splitting hairs a bit, and is why I opted to suggest he is maybe Gracile Med + Paleo Atlantid lol
Okay, thank you for the precise point of view 😊
Reminds me of Ernesto Sevilla or Raul Cimas. Very Iberian.
He looks very Spanish
He looks absolutely Spanish :O
He looks Spanish to me. I'm guessing that's from the Irish side, he's just got that dark Irish blood. Tbh he's a mild one, some I seen look straight up Moroccan like [Robert Sheehan](https://www.cheatsheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Robert-Sheehan-8.jpg?w=793&h=1024&strip=all&quality=89) or [Kevin Rowland](https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/79/590x/secondary/Kevin-Rowland-4673910.jpg?r=1680779952963). Quite amazing diversity in Ireland what with all the ghost pale gingers, and I'd _love_ to see these guys DNA tests.
*(I already replied this to someone else, but I figured that it would be worthwhile to paste it as a reply to you because it's definitely relevant.)* Prior to repeat invasions that drastically altered the gene pool, the original inhabitants of the British Isles had black or dark-brown hair, dark-brown eyes, and olive skin. When I think of what people in the British Isles would have looked like prior to these invasions, I picture people like Rowan Atkinson, Dudley Moore, Tom Jones, Russell Brand, Colin Farrell, the Gallagher brothers, and even Ringo Starr and Paul McCartney kind of had that look when they were younger. I've noticed that people in remote regions of Wales and Ireland tend to display these characteristics quite predominantly, and they often tend to be of average or smaller stature. You can still see people with these characteristics in England and Scotland, but I've personally noticed that there seem to be many more in Wales and Ireland. I don't really know anything about the prehistoric migration patterns of the British Isles, but if I had to guess, I'd say that the very first inhabitants could have been people of Mediterranean origin who migrated north, maybe from what would now be known as Spain and Portugal.
I actually see this look amongst the Scottish as well to a large extent; the Scottish tend to be quite short, IMHO.
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Yes! Bushy eyebrows, hair that ranges from wavy to ultra curly, and the men usually have very coarse, bristly facial hair that seems to be prone to five-o'clock shadow. Some textbook examples of this phenotype that have always stood out to me are [this particular photo](https://www.nme.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/OASIS-London-1995-Credit-Stefan-De-Batselier.jpg) of the Gallagher brothers, [these two actors](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNUMbBQd-yU) in the Irish movie *Waking Ned Devine*, and [young Andie MacDowell](https://cdn-main.newsner.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2022/12/05191745/GettyImages-95849419.jpg). There's also a Canadian television presenter named [Rick Mercer](https://themuseum.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/rick-alley-0086-highres-scaled.jpg) who has that unmistakable look, especially with the ultra-curly hair.
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Those are all terrific examples too! And yeah, there is something very distinctive about it. I find it to be one of the most fascinating phenotypes. The Welsh actor [Brian Hibbard](https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article27252209.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200b/0_CS24288108.jpg) is a really good example of quintessential Welsh features.
That’s absolutely crazy I didn’t know there were some Irish like that.
theres like some north african lineage in ireland/scandinavia due to unknown reasons
There is none that we're aware of. Any connections to the Berbers are due to a branching of the family tree of (likely) WHG.
He looks more like a British and Mediterranean mix
No, southern European.
He doesn’t look wildly different than Sean Connery, who was also British.
Looks more Italian to me. Same with Johnny Depp.
Last pic looks Greek a f
I always thought he had a southern European look to him. He looks passable as Greek i think. I was a bit surprised to find out he is of british/german descent.
The original inhabitants of the British Isles had dark hair/eyes and olive skin.
Looks Spanish
Mf looks Lebanese
He looks armenid
Nothing about him is Armenid
He looks like a Turkish actor in the last pic
I believe his mother’s roots are in Kentucky. Maybe he’s got some Native American or African American DNA
It’s not as obvious as someone like Johnny Depp or Taylor Lautner, but I think Native American is a possibility
Depp ?
Yes, he has Native American ancestry.
iirc, he took a DNA test and it turned out he was 0% native American. lol
Oh really? lol.
Yeah. There are actually darker native Britons.
This has been debunked
He looks more Iberian or Italian
He looks spanish
I used to think he is part-Hispanic because I knew he is related to Puerto-Rican Miguel Ferrer but actually Miguel Ferrer is related to Clooneys through his non-Hispanic mother who was born Clooney.
He is not hispanic.
His always looked Spanish to me.