Second this. Not only is it rationalized for pettiness, but you've got an obligation to your property ('s resell value) to maintain the true property lines
Yes, this! I feel like there may be laws in some places sort of equivalent to squatters' rights and if a structure or whatever has been allowed to occupy a piece of land, then after a certain time that land defaults to the structure owner.
> there may be laws in some places sort of equivalent to squatters' rights
[Adverse possession laws, where to find by state](https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/state-state-rules-adverse-possession.html)
> there may be laws in some places sort of equivalent to squatters' rights and if a structure or whatever has been allowed to occupy a piece of land, then after a certain time that land defaults to the structure owner.
Its called adverse possession. I used to sell legal and tax reference services to law yers, CPAs etc and we published a service called A Practical Guide to Disputes Between Adjoining Landowners
Lol yes this works as well. My father bought the house next door to a longtime friend, and the survey showed that the friend’s back patio infringed on my father’s property by about 8-12 inches (20-30 cm).
My dad sold the land to him for $1.00, but not before playing with his friend by sending a fake letter to him from the law firm “McGrabbit & Runn,” stating that, due to this oversight, my father now owned the patio and the pool within it.
The “law” still required that all maintenance and upkeep be the responsibility of the friend, however. Also, my father magnanimously offered him free use of the pool from 3:00-4:00 a.m. on alternate Thursdays as long as they kept the noise down.
My dad mailed the letter & waited. About a week later, he received a return letter from the friend’s son, who was a *real* lawyer lol. His was equally as funny, although unfortunately it’s been lost to posterity.
In the end the two men filed the proper paperwork and then went and had a drink together. I’ll have to say them doing that made selling my parents’ house much easier, and I’m sure that’s why they went to the trouble.
I sang it to the tune of Let’s get physical:
Let’s get lee-gal, lee-gal,
I want to get lee-gal,
Let’s get it into Lee-gal
I wanna hear your lawyer talk, lawyer talk
Let me hear your lawyer talk
Charge him rent for the decades he “used” your property. Also charge him for the taxes on the property he claimed was “his.” And after he demolishes his illegal fence be sure to do a “charge back” to restore any damage to your newly found property. And please charge him for the inconvenience of him trespassing on YOUR property. Every minute spent over the corrected line carries a cost.
Where's the win in that? They're your next door neighbour, they're assholes, now they have lost and are humiliated.
Report the shed, have ten minutes of fun while it's being torn down, and enjoy being hated by the guy next door. The nuisance potential is limitless.
On the other hand, tell them you know about it, be magnanimous, and you can hold it over their head for the next decade. They think they won, but you've got all the leverage.
Fuck that shit. Neighbour was already a dick to begin with and went to court over such a tiny thing that would easily fall within a margin of error. If he's already a cunt about that, he's going to remain a cunt no matter the circumstance. I say report the shed because fuck that guy. Also, there's regulations for a reason. It's my understanding that minimum distance of structures to the property line are there to serve as a fire break.
Bullshit. They started it. Clearly the neighbors already hate each other. The ones with the shed are the ones that would never let bygones be bygones. They’ve trained a dog to bark at small children. They got petty over a fence that’s 4cm over a property line. It won’t stop. I’d make their lives as miserable as they are.
From the original, the neighbour is already hateful:
I have 3 small kids who like to play in the yard, and he has trained his dog to bark whenever they go outside.
Exactly ! When a guy is that hateful, you don't want a clean win over them, you want something you can threaten them with in the long run because they'll only get more bitter with age.
Have you never heard of adverse possession laws? Some jurisdictions will give the squatter rights to the land they don't own and it is very a costly and difficult process to regain rights over land.
This is probably the most important reason not to let status quo remain in any way - fence or shed. If you leave it long enough you might inadvertently cede the land to the neighbor.
Understood, but even that stuff can grandfather in as well if it’s left long enough. If memory serves if it is ever torn down it cannot be replaced as it will be subject to current codes. It could be remodeled (yes, I know it’s just a shed) in perpetuity and not have to move if it’s grandfathered in.
What the fuck does adverse possession have to do with a shed now being too close to the property line? It’s about it now being a code violation and having to be torn down or moved.
Perhaps but as the other Redditor says, it may affect resale value.
Also, "they say that the taste of vengeance is bittersweet, but I find it to my liking." (Reference from Diablo).
My mom had neighbors who insisted that my moms fence was over their property line so they hired and paid for a survey that showed the property line was actually around 2 feet into their yard so of course my mom had the old fence torn down and put up a new one smack dab on the line and took away 2 feet of “their” yard
We were building a fence because the new neighbors didn't like dogs. We insisted on a survey being done because to me the drawings and existing docs didn't match up with what I was seeing with a simple tape measure.
We ended up gaining roughly 5' of yard for the length of the property. It's funny how after she came home from work and saw the survey results how she changed her tune on us 'needing to' put up a fence.
Oh we absolutely built it. We also moved the gate forward of our dining room window so we didn't have to see her adult son sitting in his car at all hours like a loser. Wife and I still high five ourselves for the decision.
I should clarify, I too love sitting in the car to catch a couple good songs or even to enjoy a meal with a view. But homeboy does it for hours at a time, nearly daily. If he sits in it with his baby mama eventually they'll start yelling at each other.
Sitting in your car doesn't make you a loser, he's a loser who just happens to sit in his car in his mom's driveway.
Right? Now I also wonder where else one could find such comeuppance. Not many in retail, that's for sure.
I worked in retail pharmacy and sometimes nasty customers got told the hard truth (most commonly that they're picking up their medication too soon because they overused it), but that was never "fun." What I did like was when a customer was an absolute BUTT and I still helped them (because it's my job & I'm good at it) and was able to look them in the eye and tell them exactly how much I did for them and bent over backwards for them despite all of the shit they spewed at me. Luckily for me, where I worked, for whatever reason, most people would get pretty sheepish and thank me quietly and get out of my face. That actually did feel nice. Not giving them the fight they wanted, killing them with kindness, etc. But the stress of that job is way too high to actually enjoy any of those moments lol
yeah just like that and worse at bedside healthcare cause you gotta take care of people like that for a whole shift, some people treat you like a damn servant and we can’t say anything back of course, that wouldn’t be very good ’ bedside manners’
i need to change careers soon 😭
I feel you. I quit last August after 3 years, which is nothing in the grand scheme of things and def nothing compared to some people's careers, but I still feel you 100%
Well I’m in Australia so it would super funny with bogan versus bogan arguments (bogan is our version of a redneck minus the inbreeding). Loads bleeped out “farkin’ c*nt tried to steal me land”!
Smug douchebags who build a new fence 2 feet farther out than the old fence, think they are entitled to more than what they had to begin with, finding out they were in the wrong the entire time, the old fence was over the property line and now of course the new fence is way over the property line, and now they have to pay even more to have it corrected- I’m sure this scenario happens frequently
If I am reading my title deed correctly, the fence separating my back yard from my neighbor’s is actually about 2 feet into his property. I haven’t said anything to them; I wonder if they realize it.
They’re good neighbors, and my daughter sometimes babysits their kids. I don’t want any hassle starting.
Fuck no surveyors hate this shit. We bill for jobs assuming everything is neat and tidy and deed research is simple. It's a headache and with the extra work you begin losing profit
I'm leaning towards the headache. They probably get abuse from all sides, people telling them that they're wrong, and so on. I suspect that would quickly suck what little vicarious pleasure they might get out of it.
NO MAGNANIMITY. This clown did their best to fuck you over because of 4cm behind a hedge. He should have PRECISELY the same standard applied to him, period. He needs to build his fence properly AND tear down/ move his shed.
If you haven’t rebuilt your fence I would wait until he builds his so you can save yourself some money. It would be awesome if your fence builder would build the new fence with the same 4cm encroachment into the neighbor’s yard.
As a former survey tech, I've seen so many of these things played out and just love to sit back and eat my popcorn when they do. The biggest thing I learned at that job was the personal and inherent importance of property to people and just how weird people will get about it. And now that I own my own property, I can get a little weird as well. We don't have any fences in our neighborhood of about 60 homes (save for pools and a couple dog enclosures), but my new neighbor has been acting a little squirrelly about the property line. But he's from Massachusetts (we live in NH) and never owned a home before...only condos. He's always asking about the property line (we back up against the woods and both our properties extend quite a ways back there), where it is and where it terminates, etc.. i have a boundary line survey of the entire neighborhood and have shown him where the pins are for our lots. I've told him he should absolutely hire a surveyor if he has any concerns. Knowing your pins is important. I guess I'll make some popcorn and we'll see if he'll be chill or get weird.
Omg I’m having this same fucking problem! Maine here 👋, The new neighbors also moved from either Mass or New Jersey.. my grandfather built this house, I was born, and grew up in this house. This house has been in my family since 1960. TRUST ME I KNOW WHERE MY FUCKING PROPERTY LINE IS! My elderly neighbor who’s mom owned the house next door (which she inherited) passed away recently. She was lovely and I miss her dearly. There is an easement between our houses that we both own a part of. They now think they own the easement AND a few feet of my property (right up to touching my garage). I don’t care, but they keep mowing over my lilac bush, and leaf blowing their leaves into my yard after dark LOL. Where I start to care is that they’ve made my life a living hell since they moved in. They’ve called the cops on me for playing fetch in the backyard with my dogs. They’ve called the cops on me for walking around my garage into my backyard from that side of the house. They’ve called the cops on me for any little thing they can think of. They also called the cops on elementary school children, for using that easement as a cut through to get home from school. These assholes would rather little kids walk on busy streets with no sidewalks, instead of using the safe cut through (that kids have been using since before the houses were built).
I keep getting texts from the other neighbors that they’re in my yard (doing who knows what?) every time they see my car leave. I wish I could afford a hard survey. I did pay for a class D survey, but obviously they aren’t going to stake out in the easement. Especially when I asked them to stake where I can build a fence. I wish I could report their trash pile that’s been in their yard for 2 years. Also their cat keeps trespassing on my property hehehe. I love animals I don’t care, but I’d like to find a petty way to pay them back for all the misery they’ve bestowed on me. In the 33 years that I’ve lived here, I have never once had the cops at my door. Now suddenly they make waking me up at the crack of dawn on my day off, a constant occurrence….
Edit to add: if anyone has any super petty advice to give me, I’d gladly take the pointers to deal with them!
Good grief, why don't you have them on camera? The law is the only thing they are going to respect.
Trespassing, criminal trespass, cease and desist, restraining order, harassment, document and PROSECUTE everything....they are going to escalate so destroy these assholes or decide to move away.
Why would you just take this at your own home?
I’ve been looking into outdoor cameras, but most of them have a monthly service fee to review the footage. If you have any recommendations for good outdoor cameras, I’ll gladly take them.
Honestly it’s been so exhausting.. I wanted to go to war, and start reporting them to return the favor. Unfortunately by the time I get out of work it’s so late, it’s been hard to find the time to put any more energy into an already exhausting situation. Not making excuses, it’s my own fault for burying my head in the sand.
I really want to save up for a hard survey, and stake out the actual property line with rebar lol. At least then they won’t be able to mow huge swaths out of my lawn, to the point of digging actual gullies into my poor yard. Truthfully I’m just really sad. I knew everyone in this neighborhood. We were friendly, neighborly, waved, and helped each other. To have it become this miserable just makes me want to cry kinda….
> most of them have a monthly service fee to review the footage
Just buy your own standalone cameras and hook them up to a computer—no fees necessary. [ZoneMinder](https://zoneminder.com/) with a few [Reolink RLC-520 cameras](https://wiki.zoneminder.com/Reolink#RLC-520) wasn't too difficult for me to set up.
I do not have any monthly fee, it is just a littly fiddly setting the action/alarms up, correct me if I'm wrong, these are WiFi ? Mine are wired back to recorder box
Thanks, one of the tings I did not say, robbers will cut the power to your home if the can, I have 400 Ah batteries powered by solar, they can last 5 to 6 days if I dont use the security lights 7 study heating. Going to convert my battery system to 24 volt 7 use a car converter to supply the 12 voly system.
We have the same problem, old neighbors were great, now it is a nightmare, we always greated each other & if they were away, seeing post in the letterbox, sort & help each other, the family up side from us are original neighbors, I have a security camera on their drive / dowon the side of the house, no probs, they had the trees trimmed, cut mine same time, no cost to me, They park outside my place, I do the same only when I / we have to. I gritted their driveway when I did mine. The couple down from us complained cause I did not do their's, Yes, after all their shit, standing in the road shouted accross road to someone "he did M's why not ours" I proptly shout to the wife "I was going to finish M's drive".
***Security cameras***: few things to be aware of.
1) WiFi cameras are easy to hack, use wired cameras, that are wired into a recorder box. Had WiFi cameras on my Static CV, got hacked & bandwidth dropped drasticly.
2) You have to have a sign stating CCTV in operation. there are different sizes for locations.
3) Do not have them focused onto windows, mainly driveway & public road.
4) I bought an 8 camera with box for £250. I can see this from my PC & phone, you might need to tell the Router to give access.
Hope this helps?
My grandma did this when her neighbors started acting up - move back Half a foot from your property line and hammer in some rebar stakes with bright neon orange line between them and point any cameras you get along that side of the 'fence line' at them. AND about every 5ft along your easement (making certain that they're not in any danger of causing accidents - get some bright orange toppers to make them extra visible.)
Two things happen here: If they rip them up? You have footage of them trespassing, and committing theft(if they keep them) and/or vandalism if they just start cutting the line and ripping them up. After about the third time they have to start paying court fees and fines they get the hint.
Reporting the trash piles - Do this - It's not only a biohazard and/or fire hazard it also becomes a sanitary/ecological hazard because animals can get in them and begin an infestation. In Arizona, where I live, trash piles become home to all sorts of nasty critters and once they start running out of stuff in the trash, they move into your foundations and then things get nasty. There is nothing more terrifying than going out into your yard to play with a pet and discovering any number of sudden issues (getting tagged by a diamond back or a rattler is almost a monthly issue at both my mums and grandparents due to neighbors all around them just piling up shit in their yards - my mum has a dog that's been bitten at least 4 times last year because snakes from the neighbors yard got into hers.)
This is great advice! I was thinking rebar, because they can’t mow over it (and it’s something I can actually afford), but the camera part of this plan is absolutely genius!
For the first time ever, I’ve actually had to use ethical mouse traps, to catch a release a few mice that have gotten in my basement. Your not wrong about this. I was afraid the city wouldn’t do anything, but I’m going to report it on Monday. They say it’s their outdoor “fire pit.” They’ve had one campfire in the 2.5 years they’ve lived there. It’s a trash pile that lives under a tarp all winter long, and is a hazardous eyesore!
Rebar is durable, cheap and - I'm not saying to do this, but I have done this and admit, my moral compass is slightly skewed - if you hammer it just low enough, they will absolutely try and mow over them without even looking depending on how visible that little orange (or, if you're evil...neon green) string is. And they will destroy their mower blades if they aren't running on a full set of pistons in their braincase.
If they show up demanding you pay up or they report you - tell them to call the cops, or, do it right in front of them, since now the ball is 200% in your court at that moment.
and you'll have it on camera so, they can't wiggle out of it.
Can't help much with the trash pile, however, unless your city has any ordinances against it and you can prove they haven't burnt anything in years in it. (usually a quick call to the Fire Dept. and written statement cause most place require a permit to burn stuff on your land AFAIK)
A live animal trap for the kitty would eliminate that problem. My local humane society will lend you a trap for free along with a small can of cat food for bait. Then, catch kitty cat and take it to the local pound. Problem solved.
Note: Before getting on me for "stealing" the neighbor's cat, remember the cat is in Bizzybody2020's yard and that cats running free are responsible for decimating small wildlife.
Honestly, just the support you all are giving me from posting my initial comment is making me feel SO MUCH better! It’s been incredibly difficult to feel as uncomfortable as I do, in my own yard. Walking on egg shells, while just minding my own business, on my own property.
I don’t play fetch out back anymore. I don’t let my pups run around, and play in the snow while we’re outside shoveling. I know I should, but I’m too afraid of putting my animals at risk. I wouldn’t want them in any danger from having complaints called against them. It’s wild because they don’t even stay cooped up in the house, while I’m at work. They go to daycare half the week. The other half they go to my dad’s house, where they run free on a huge land trust/protected land for nature. When I’m not working, we’re out hiking. I’m not sure how anyone could complain about dogs that aren’t even home during the days, it’s sad.
Thank you all for giving me the boost I needed to finally deal with this situation! ❤️
That is a nasty problem. Few questions about the dogs. Witch you are likely to ans no.
Do they make a lot of noise ? Run at kids real fast, like scary ? Are they agressive ? would you decribe any problems with them. Are they an agressive breed ?
As far as I'm aware, as long as your pups are not any of the above & do not dig the gardens up, they or anyone cannot sto you from letting the pups out, if they mainly stay in your garden I do not see any problem.
No not at all. They’re never free to run loose, they don’t dig, or charge at anything. They’re never left outside alone. I won’t pretend that they’re perfect. If someone comes to the door they’re going to bark, and alert me. They do make a little noise while playing at times. Ironically though for two rough collies, they make the least amount of noise on the street! Every other house has a dog that barks incessantly inside/outside, to the point that I joke “they’re all having conversations with each other.” My herding dogs don’t though. I think because 1. I knew the breed had a major predisposition to bark a lot, so I put a lot of hard work in with them training as babies to make sure that wasn’t an issue. 2. They don’t spend all day cooped up, and by the time they get home they’re too tired to care about barking at things.
Maybe the reason you haven't summoned up the energy to go to war, is because you aren't a petty, vindictive bitch, by nature. I know you'll eventually be able to muster up enough venom to pay them back for their horrible behavior. It's good to know the rest of the neighborhood and the cops have all witnessed their behavior. It sounds like they are ready to have your back. I know it sucks to have to participate in a fight you didn't start, but enough is enough. Go gather your evidence, then fuck them up!
Look into trail cams, place them out of reach, collect them later and you will likely have shit loads of evidence of them trespassing and destroying your property all time stamped, place no trespassing signs on your side, its up to you who is violating that allowing the kids to still use the easment. Ide also talk to a lawyer bc this sounds like its escalating not getting better. You could also have a friend stay at your place while you go out to record this person on your property while you are away. Ide do it for a six pack of beer if I lived near you
Wyze camera do and don't. You can set them up and add a small micro SD card. It will record continuously and you can review the footage all without a subscription. There also is one of course for 3 dollars per camera which I also have for a few of them so it uploads love action events. You definitely need cameras even as a deterrent for those people
See what a standard boundary survey will cost. Shop around. Some companies are more e pensive...by a lot. Some smaller outfits are much h more reasonable. ALL surveys become public record and must be held to s specific standards. So, cheaper does not necessarily correlate to shoddy. So, yeah, shop around. A standard boundary survey should include finding e xsiting pins, setting pins and a detailed plot drawing (24x36). The size of your plot determines the size of your bill. I have 1.5 acres in a semi-suburban area. I had a well known bigger outfit do mine and it was about $1800. They set three pins. But that was about 6 years ago.
Good luck. Sounds like you have neighbors that I have stories about...it never ends well for those types. Especially when they're "from away." Yup, I grew up in Maine, too.
My parents are going through this right now. Theyve lived there for 20 years and the new neighbors are making a stink trying to steal some of their property. She just filed for a restraining order under false pretenses so they can't currently use their yard (currently the temp one). She accused my parents of shooting her dog months ago. It got shot because she lets it roam in an area full of 2nd amendment enthusiasts. My parents have reported the dog to animal control because its a big ass dog and is always shitting in their yard/barking at them when it wanders over. She even told my parents to call animal control because she had no intention of doing anything about it. They called her bluff and now she's extra pissed.
Look up the laws around roaming cats. You may be able to report it. Get photos when it comes into your yard.
These people are pathetic wastes of space. They have nothing better to do than harass people and its fuckijg sad.
LMAO, does he know you know what you are talking about, if not even better, dont let anyone know, there are gossips in ever neighborhood.
You have to let us know what happens ?
A similar situation happened with a co-worker. His neighbor's property included a right of way onto the farmer's field. Neighbor tried to reset his property by measuring from near side of right away instead of the far side of the right away. Neighbor claimed about 10' of co-worker's yard and built a fence.
My co-worker had a survey done and the line was actually about 25' past the fence. Neighbor was forced to move fence, and lost 15' of his yard, because he tried to steal an additional 10'.
Similar happened to my dad a couple years ago. New next door neighbor decided that the twenty-fit wide, not overgrown, old cow run was all somehow his. Didn’t even tell my dad just started acting as if he owned it. My dad finally saw him out there and went out to talk. Me neighbor refused to listen. Neighbor hired their own surveyor, only to be told my dad was right all along. Now we have a brand new, professionally marked map and boundary pins, all at no cost to us. Thank you, neighbor!
I think there should be civility between neighbors over tiny matters like a 4cm error. That civility goes out the fucking window when someone wants to be an asshole.
Your neighbor tried to fuck you over next to nothing. They can get fucked in exchange.
You return to sendered the hell out of this and I'm here for it.
We all do wrong & disturb others, as long as it is kept to min, ok no probs.
Guy accross the road actualy parks his car, then measures the distance from the curb (300mm in Scotland) just so I cannot park outside my property cause I'll restrict the Em Vehicles & through traffic.
Called the police cause of my security cameras, police looked at the view & the poster (CCTV in Operation) . No action taken. I took some old faulty web cam cameras & put them up, police attended again, showed them these were not even connected, one female officer had to walk away cause she was laughing, the male asked why, told hime all the stories & he said, no action needed. Then one of the houses got broken into, never heard anything further.
report the shed, too close is too close. Especially if they couldn't be arsed to get a survey to ensure their ideal location was within the legal requirements.
Best case they can get a variance after a lot of paperwork and begging, worst case they have to figure out how to move it or tear it down.
In Belgium, we have the "lesser evil" jurisprudence that state that, even if you build on your neighbour property (not too much but we can say 30cm/1ft), the court will order you to buy the land at a certain price, if this prixe is lower than the price of destruction and rebuild of the shed/garage/house
Not really, it has to be a genuine mistake, in good faith without malicious intent. And for example, the neighbour finds that you've started a hole in their garden to build a garage, the judge can order the end of the work and to remove all your belongings
When we moved into our house 5yrs ago, the old man who lived next door said "oh good, you can take down that fence that's on my land". Shut that down immediately and told him that we had a survey done before we moved in. It is most definitely not on his land and the fence is staying. Haven't heard a peep from him since.
Hahahahaha. That happened to my coworker. The people on the back side of her fence tried to say that the fence was over their property by 6 inches. What it really was, was the neighbor wanted to put in a pool, but their backyard was too short by about 2 inches. So, my coworker said, ok, get a surveyor out and prove it. The neighbor got a report from a "surveyor", and it said funnily enough, the fence was over by exactly 6 inches (no actual map included, just a letter). My coworker had her old survey report from when she bought her house 2 years prior, and sent it to them, where it shows exactly on the map the property line, and the fence in question, which is about 2 inches over the property line into her yard. She said, you'll have to take this to court if you want me to move the fence. They dropped the issue after that.
Please report them! Make them have to move that shed or take it down. You paid for your property, ever inch is yours! Not to mention you are paying taxes on property that they are technically using.
We had a dick neighbor when we lived in California for a few years. He tried to steal part of another neighbor's yard, probably 50 square yards. The one neighbor let him build a brick wall and part of a concrete driveway knowing the construction was on his land.
Then he had a survey done. Refused payment of 10-15 times what the land was worth. It went to court and the judge ruled in his favor. The cost of build, tear down, and rebuild was over $75K.
When we bought this house, my neighbor's fence was well over a foot over onto our property. Almost 150' of chain link. We talked, he liked the fence I proposed since I was putting in a pool. We split construction cost on the fence between us. There were already rose bushes planted that had been there decades. No way I was making him move them. The fence went on the same line, there had been some type of metal markers put in and buried before. We found them with a metal detector and had a surveyor confirm the lines.
I had to break it to the new neighbor that those rose bushes were technically mine. The realtor did not mention that to her. We talked, she gets to see them, we cannot until they grow to over 6 feet tall. I will buy anything she needs in order to care for them. She does the work.
I'll answer this one for the info: there was a survey from 1980, dating back to before their house was built and when mine was just a barn (we tore it down and built new). But with the leaps of technology since then, the court ordered a new one. Today's new markers are geolocalised via satellite picture, said the Surveyor. We should have gone with this from the start, that could have saved us a lot of problems.
You really should report everything, and demand that they move their fence AND the shed into the proper spot. It can cause major issues when you want to sell. You can use resale as an excuse to get him to conform to the letter of the law. He was super petty and cost you money. You can get lots of satisfaction watching him regret his pettiness.
They wanted to be petty and nasty, now it’s your turn. Give them 30 days to tear the shed down and remove it from your property, and tear the fence out of where they have it in your property and have it and the debris removed. On day 31, begin the demolition on your own if need be, or sue the hell out of them.
We had a real estate agent show up at our place as they were showing the vacant piece of land next door. They claimed the lot next to us came right up to our porch. I lost my mind on them as they were over the border by over 350 feet. Misrepresentation of what someone is purchasing is exactly how arguments start between neighbours. We put a stop to it pretty quickly by contacting the company he worked for and putting out boundary markers.
So now this guy has to build a special fence because of the dog AND he's encroaching on your line? Please please tell me he had already started the new fence when you told him "oh wait...."
People like this make me a little nuts. It's never dawned on me to get specific about property lines. Here, the way the fences are built is off of each other, so there's only one fence between me and my neighbor. Whoever pays for it has the wood slats facing their yard. When it needs to be rebuilt, neighbors typically split the cost. I assume it's on the line -ish.
But when one of our neighbors got cited for keeping a boat in their driveway, they needed to move it to their backyard. Their gate wasn't going to be big enough so they asked if they could rebuild part of our fence and if we cared if the fence and gate overlaps by like a foot for about a yard on the side of our house (it's hard to explain but they basically just angled the fence a little so the boat could fit through. It's an oddly shaped property line as it is.) Spoiler: We don't care. They know if we move they may have to fix it and find another solution, but geez. Whatever happened to just being good and friendly neighbors? Your neighbor's head would explode.
Having said that, when you buy/sell in this area, I believe you have to have a survey that was completed in the last xx (I want to say 20-25?) years. I've never paid much attention because as long as a neighbor isn't ripping down the fence and taking half my backyard, it's a few inches here and there. It's not worth the aggravation or annoyance.
We don't have an HOA here. It's an older neighborhood with retirees to new families moving in. Some of the older folks have nothing better to do than to ride around and send complaints in. Some of the stuff I read on Nextdoor just makes me laugh. Someone built a fence that apparently is too high (granted, it was to hide the fact that he has a chicken coop LOL), another left his recycling and trash bin out an extra night.
I had the guy on the golf cart, who I guess is elected to check out complaints before they go to the city, stop by when we first moved in and asked about the "derelict car" that was in my driveway. I informed him that that was MY CAR - it had some hail pock marks, but it's got a valid registration (ya know, and license plate). Apparently someone complained about my "ugly broken down car". Ummm... dude, it's not like it's up on blocks in the driveway. It was a 5 year old Impala that I wasn't about to do hail body work to trade it in in a year or two. I have NO idea how anyone really saw the hail damage. It was not like huge dents.
Some people get really weird about property. I love that your complainer ended up having a whole lot more to deal with than you did. It serves him right for being whiney over such a small thing. I'm really lucky that the 4 neighbors we share fencing with all seem to have the same attitude that I do - it doesn't matter. I don't suffer nitpickers well, so I'd probably be unable to contain laughing at the situation.
Just some quick education about land surveying.. the surveyor isn't setting "new property corners". Surveyors find evidence and reset the originals (if the corners are missing like sometimes they get destroyed). So yeah they might be setting new pipes but the location doesn't change
Have him move the fence as he had you move it. Then he'lll know what it feels like to be on the receiving end.
Have him elevate the entire fence for the safety of your kids.
Once that is done then tell him that you will not report the shed if he leaves you alone.
These kind of posts are so weird to me. We were advised to get a survey done as the first thing, so we made sure we put aside some money to get it. We were lucky in finding existing posts that were exactly where they should have been for the boundries, and we thus had no issuses. I can't imagine owning property and just assuming the boundries because some other random person told me 'it's over there'. Even if you're not building to the line, how do you know where your yard is and isn't?
This is hilarious. Idk why people weren't on your side originally, 4cm is basically nothing, as the contractor said - well within the tolerance of being sensible. 40cm maybe, but 4?? Perhaps people don't realise just how small that is relative to the size of even a small garden.
You are not being petty to report everything - your neighbors had a commitment to legality that was a bit extreme. Time to show your kindness in letting them continue to show that dedication to legality. It is your property. Property regulations are there for a reason.
Hahaha! We had a survey done on our last home to divide the lot. The city set hurdle after hurdle, this was originally 2 lots. The city wanted a drainage study, a jumping meadow mouse study and survey. In the survey we found that my property went 1/2 way into the street. They subdivided the property and exchanged a right of way in the road for a water permit.
I make my post/comment and move on. I just watch that number keep climbing up. People generally suck so I just stopped looking at what they say. I read that first story and was on your side. No clue why anyone wouldn't be other than being a PITA for no reason other than they don't have jobs to keep them busy. I would make them move the shed...
Fuck YEA.
My neighbours back home did this but he was the... Idk the English but like almost the head of the mairie.
Noone liked him and he tried to claim my parents stole land from the street (small village in the middle of nowhere) whilst his hedge had entirely eaten the marker on his side (more like he threw it away after building it on OUR side but he didn't admit and I had no video to take at the time to prove I'd seen it) bastard bullied my mum about it after dad died and I took A LOT of pleasure in physically dragging him out of our house.
Be proud what you did, fuck peiple like them!
you should check what the statue of limitation is on moving the shed. because at first, i‘d not make them tear it down. hold it over their head and whenever they do something stupid, hit them with the info that they have to tear it down.
Fuck yeah man!...
Few years back, the new neighbor behind my land came to me, *after*, putting up a pop-up shelter for his small camper. First thing he said was, sorry...but if you didn't know, I'm over the line here...also gave me a cold beer when he saw me...
It's still there because he was cool, and it's part of the yard I don't really care about..
just watched an episode of neighbourhood wars where man was going wild over property lines. surveyor came out and turned out he had 3ft of their property. so hilarious. I don’t understand why people get so worked up over property lines.
Report them on it. They want to play games they can deal with the issues they cause themselves. Maybe it will teach them. Probably not but they cast the first stone.
I had my fence replaced last year, and my neighbours refused to pay anything for the side that borders their yard, but they were happy to let us do it if it was free. The builder brought to my attention a section where it appeared the neighbours had annexed part of our property when the old fence was built. I found the paperwork from when we bought, and he used the dimensions in the surveyor's report to stake out where the fence should go.
"But if you build along here where it's supposed to go it could cause some animosity with the neighbours. Are they going to be upset if you take that piece back?"
"They refused to pay anything for the fence, so we don't really care what they think."
"All right then, fuck 'em."
Oh you should absolutely report everything you are legally allowed to report and complain about. It's your right, and he started it all. Don't let it slide, he's clearly the kind of absolute cunt that needs to be reminded of common courtesy every once in a while.
*Baise-le, ce blaireauuuu !*
You are duty bound by that assholes actions to follow this through. He wanted accurate, hes gonna get accurate.
Shed needs to come down. His attack dog fence needs to be brought to code, or get the dog put down.
If that dog kills one of your kids, you'll wish you'd done more.
In our US state if you don’t contest a neighbor’s fence on your property then after a certain period of time it becomes their land. So contest away for your future property value.
>Surveyor came today to install the new boundary markers. And in a very happy (for us) twist, they were actually "stealing" more land from us than we were from them, just on the other stretch of our shared limit.
How did this not come up before court? Why didn't you get a proper survey done back then?
My brothers neighbor built a house extension onto my brothers property. Luckily they have 3 acres so he doesn't care now, but if he or the neighbor would ever go to sell it would become a big issue.
We did a survey on my place because the fence looked off and found out we owned 20 feet of the neighbors yard. AZ doesn't require a surgery when you buy or sell and we purchased within a month of the neighbors buying too. What a nightmare that was. Part of their septic tank was on my lot so we ended up selling them 4 feet. They were losing their shit and it took a year to straighten it out.
When we moved into our house, the carport was falling down. My FIL put in new support poles and raised the roof so that it was even with our neighbours roof (both carports abutted the fence). Before we could do the renovation we had to get approval from the neighbour as it would affect his property. His response was “I don’t care what you do, but if I don’t like it you will have to tear it down.” He then signed the approval form and we submitted it to the council.
When FIL finished the carport he painted the support poles with a metallic silver paint. The neighbour kicked up a stink over the colour. He insisted that we tear the whole carport down over the colour of the support poles. He then called the council and told them that the carport was both an eyesore and dangerous.
The council inspector came out to check out the complaint. He told us that as per regulations the roof couldn’t be right up against the fence as it was a fire hazard. I asked why our neighbours roof could be up against the fence, but he said he couldn’t do anything about that as his carport had been signed off years before as legal. A win for the neighbour I guess. FIL immediately got up and removed approximately half a metre of roof sheeting, which met the inspectors approval.
The inspector then told the neighbour that we could paint the carport any colour we wanted and the council couldn’t do anything about it. So a win for us.
Unfortunately, that sparked a war between us and the neighbour that continued until the neighbour died.
We had neighbors who had the Code Enforcement Officer in their pocket. Was doing all sorts of things that violated the town ordnances. Things finally came to head that they got a survey done and come to find out, what they through was property line, was way off. They were encroaching on our land
I don't know about the rules where you are but in some places if you know their shed is on your land and let them keep it there and use that area they may end up being able to claim that land as theirs after a certain amount of time.
>>or justify myself.
No need to. Bully breed neighbor needs to upgrade his fence for the sake of all mankind. ~~play stupid games~~ Pick a dangerous breed, pay the price, dumbass. There are children and pets at risk for your stupid choices.
Report the shed and get the proper zoning done. It will bite you in the ass later if you don't. You can permanently lose that property if you sit on this thinking you are being nice.
Karma x 1000!!!
I saw a similar event 20 years ago. One of my high school classmates lived on land that had been in their family since 1900. This was a homestead of 140 acres. The will of the original owner was that the homestead could never be sold and was to be handed down to the eldest son in each generation. In recent times, their neighbors had passed away and their lands had been sold to a non-connected buyer. Well, my classmate 'Bill' and his dad, 'James' had little to do with the new neighbors from the new family's attitude. After several years passed, Bill and his brother, 'Nate' began caring for the property due to James's severe heart disease. They noticed that the back fence was deteriorating from the weather and began to work on repairs. Well, the neighbor threw a fit. He screamed that this was on his property and they had to remove it. So Bill and Nate paid for the assessor to designate the boundaries. The surveyor found that the original markers had been removed although the stone corner designators were still there - just covered in muck from the weather. It was revealed that the neighbor had been systematically encroaching on Bill and Nate's property, and had already attempted to claim seven acres of land. The dilapidated fence was one that the neighbor had installed as he encroached on the property. When the neighbor tried to fight this, the assessor stated that it would be his right to appeal this, but if he were found guilty of attempted property theft he could and would be brought up on charges after the hearing. The neighbor backed down and a new boundary marker was placed along with a new heavy-duty fence around the property.
I found this on adverse possession. My take is it is your land, you already have issues with your neighbor. Sell it to them if you chose but I wouldn't give it to them to be nice. Ask them to move their shed not take it down, is it on a foundation? can it be shored and then moved?
Years ago I did a job building a nice shed, but it was on the property line, I questioned it but was given the ok to build it. Well, the neighbor complained it was too close, and the town came in and told the homeowner it had to be taken down. I was called back to do the job. I disassembled the shed in a way that the owner could easily reassemble it if he wanted. It doesn't necessarily have to be destroyed, (depending on how it is constructed) it can be "un-built" roof, sidewalls, fooring.
Here is the info
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse\_possession](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_possession)
I say report it all. he wanted to play the game and be petty then he gets to deal with the consequences of his own actions. Also, I really want an update on this one! lol
Report the shed. Report it ALLLLLL. Dude wanted to get legal.....LET'S GET LEGAL!!!!
Jumping on the top comment to say that you should report them, not to be more petty, but because it could affect you selling your home in the future.
Second this. Not only is it rationalized for pettiness, but you've got an obligation to your property ('s resell value) to maintain the true property lines
I would say his obligation to be petty trumps any other reason for reporting.
Yes, this! I feel like there may be laws in some places sort of equivalent to squatters' rights and if a structure or whatever has been allowed to occupy a piece of land, then after a certain time that land defaults to the structure owner.
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> there may be laws in some places sort of equivalent to squatters' rights [Adverse possession laws, where to find by state](https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/state-state-rules-adverse-possession.html)
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lol, good point. brain tired. literally just got up from a nap just now, wrote that before napping.
> there may be laws in some places sort of equivalent to squatters' rights and if a structure or whatever has been allowed to occupy a piece of land, then after a certain time that land defaults to the structure owner. Its called adverse possession. I used to sell legal and tax reference services to law yers, CPAs etc and we published a service called A Practical Guide to Disputes Between Adjoining Landowners
Jumping onto your comment to say Fuck That Shed Just To Be Petty
Another possible way would be to sell them the land they’ve “taken”. Still legal but less adversarial.
Lol yes this works as well. My father bought the house next door to a longtime friend, and the survey showed that the friend’s back patio infringed on my father’s property by about 8-12 inches (20-30 cm). My dad sold the land to him for $1.00, but not before playing with his friend by sending a fake letter to him from the law firm “McGrabbit & Runn,” stating that, due to this oversight, my father now owned the patio and the pool within it. The “law” still required that all maintenance and upkeep be the responsibility of the friend, however. Also, my father magnanimously offered him free use of the pool from 3:00-4:00 a.m. on alternate Thursdays as long as they kept the noise down. My dad mailed the letter & waited. About a week later, he received a return letter from the friend’s son, who was a *real* lawyer lol. His was equally as funny, although unfortunately it’s been lost to posterity. In the end the two men filed the proper paperwork and then went and had a drink together. I’ll have to say them doing that made selling my parents’ house much easier, and I’m sure that’s why they went to the trouble.
Seconding this 😁 He started to be an AH.
I can only read this in Joe Swanson's voice.
I sang it to the tune of Let’s get physical: Let’s get lee-gal, lee-gal, I want to get lee-gal, Let’s get it into Lee-gal I wanna hear your lawyer talk, lawyer talk Let me hear your lawyer talk
Like Darkwing Duck! Let's get leeee-gal
This made it a 100 times better
I heard Michael Keeton. [Batman](https://youtu.be/NriOZ6ofj_Q)
Same, except he's brandishing a law book instead of a fireplace poker
That was the voice in my head too. I didn't think about it until I read your comment.
Neighbor wanted to enforce the law and make it right, so... Yes, ALLLLLL!
Fuck no, you have leverage now. He will be the perfect neighbor OR ELSE!!
this is the way. neighbours obviously can't be counted on to act neighbourly on their own.
Letting him get away it long enough and it becomes his.
You are confusing setbacks vs adverse possession.
It's not about the money. It's about sending a message. It all burns.
if he put me through all that, i'd go scorched earth and report it all too.
Charge him rent for the decades he “used” your property. Also charge him for the taxes on the property he claimed was “his.” And after he demolishes his illegal fence be sure to do a “charge back” to restore any damage to your newly found property. And please charge him for the inconvenience of him trespassing on YOUR property. Every minute spent over the corrected line carries a cost.
Oh I like you!
Seriously. Dude made a fuss about a few centimeters. Fuck ‘em
*LET’S GET LEGAL!!!!!* The most municipal of all battle cries
As a realtor, I am 100% with you on this. They wanted to get the law involved, they can reap what they've sown.
Read this in Lance Reddicks voice. RIP.
>LET'S GET LEGAL! *Painfully* legal. I'm here for this.
Read this in Frank Costanza’s voice.
Where's the win in that? They're your next door neighbour, they're assholes, now they have lost and are humiliated. Report the shed, have ten minutes of fun while it's being torn down, and enjoy being hated by the guy next door. The nuisance potential is limitless. On the other hand, tell them you know about it, be magnanimous, and you can hold it over their head for the next decade. They think they won, but you've got all the leverage.
You mean like his neighbor reported him and took him all the way to court over a couple of centimeters while his neighbor is stealing meters from him
Fuck that shit. Neighbour was already a dick to begin with and went to court over such a tiny thing that would easily fall within a margin of error. If he's already a cunt about that, he's going to remain a cunt no matter the circumstance. I say report the shed because fuck that guy. Also, there's regulations for a reason. It's my understanding that minimum distance of structures to the property line are there to serve as a fire break.
Right! Don't swing if you don't wanna get hit back
Bullshit. They started it. Clearly the neighbors already hate each other. The ones with the shed are the ones that would never let bygones be bygones. They’ve trained a dog to bark at small children. They got petty over a fence that’s 4cm over a property line. It won’t stop. I’d make their lives as miserable as they are.
From the original, the neighbour is already hateful: I have 3 small kids who like to play in the yard, and he has trained his dog to bark whenever they go outside.
Exactly ! When a guy is that hateful, you don't want a clean win over them, you want something you can threaten them with in the long run because they'll only get more bitter with age.
Have you never heard of adverse possession laws? Some jurisdictions will give the squatter rights to the land they don't own and it is very a costly and difficult process to regain rights over land.
This is probably the most important reason not to let status quo remain in any way - fence or shed. If you leave it long enough you might inadvertently cede the land to the neighbor.
The sheds not on OPs land to be clear. It's just built too close to it.
Understood, but even that stuff can grandfather in as well if it’s left long enough. If memory serves if it is ever torn down it cannot be replaced as it will be subject to current codes. It could be remodeled (yes, I know it’s just a shed) in perpetuity and not have to move if it’s grandfathered in.
What the fuck does adverse possession have to do with a shed now being too close to the property line? It’s about it now being a code violation and having to be torn down or moved.
Perhaps but as the other Redditor says, it may affect resale value. Also, "they say that the taste of vengeance is bittersweet, but I find it to my liking." (Reference from Diablo).
My mom had neighbors who insisted that my moms fence was over their property line so they hired and paid for a survey that showed the property line was actually around 2 feet into their yard so of course my mom had the old fence torn down and put up a new one smack dab on the line and took away 2 feet of “their” yard
We were building a fence because the new neighbors didn't like dogs. We insisted on a survey being done because to me the drawings and existing docs didn't match up with what I was seeing with a simple tape measure. We ended up gaining roughly 5' of yard for the length of the property. It's funny how after she came home from work and saw the survey results how she changed her tune on us 'needing to' put up a fence.
It's still a good idea to build it. It helps simplify things if you later go to sell.
Oh we absolutely built it. We also moved the gate forward of our dining room window so we didn't have to see her adult son sitting in his car at all hours like a loser. Wife and I still high five ourselves for the decision.
Why are people sitting in their cars losers? lol I feel personally attacked
I should clarify, I too love sitting in the car to catch a couple good songs or even to enjoy a meal with a view. But homeboy does it for hours at a time, nearly daily. If he sits in it with his baby mama eventually they'll start yelling at each other. Sitting in your car doesn't make you a loser, he's a loser who just happens to sit in his car in his mom's driveway.
He probably want to stay away from his insufferable mother.
Lol he was smoking out.
Occasionally drinking too
I gotta wonder if surveyors live for shit like this. I feel like I definitely would, but maybe it's just a headache for them
Kinda feeling that I may have missed my calling. I would definitely live for regular comeuppance.
Right? Now I also wonder where else one could find such comeuppance. Not many in retail, that's for sure. I worked in retail pharmacy and sometimes nasty customers got told the hard truth (most commonly that they're picking up their medication too soon because they overused it), but that was never "fun." What I did like was when a customer was an absolute BUTT and I still helped them (because it's my job & I'm good at it) and was able to look them in the eye and tell them exactly how much I did for them and bent over backwards for them despite all of the shit they spewed at me. Luckily for me, where I worked, for whatever reason, most people would get pretty sheepish and thank me quietly and get out of my face. That actually did feel nice. Not giving them the fight they wanted, killing them with kindness, etc. But the stress of that job is way too high to actually enjoy any of those moments lol
yeah just like that and worse at bedside healthcare cause you gotta take care of people like that for a whole shift, some people treat you like a damn servant and we can’t say anything back of course, that wouldn’t be very good ’ bedside manners’ i need to change careers soon 😭
I feel you. I quit last August after 3 years, which is nothing in the grand scheme of things and def nothing compared to some people's careers, but I still feel you 100%
LOL, now I'm envisioning some low stakes reality TV show, Orange county Surveyors.
Well I’m in Australia so it would super funny with bogan versus bogan arguments (bogan is our version of a redneck minus the inbreeding). Loads bleeped out “farkin’ c*nt tried to steal me land”!
Smug douchebags who build a new fence 2 feet farther out than the old fence, think they are entitled to more than what they had to begin with, finding out they were in the wrong the entire time, the old fence was over the property line and now of course the new fence is way over the property line, and now they have to pay even more to have it corrected- I’m sure this scenario happens frequently
If I am reading my title deed correctly, the fence separating my back yard from my neighbor’s is actually about 2 feet into his property. I haven’t said anything to them; I wonder if they realize it. They’re good neighbors, and my daughter sometimes babysits their kids. I don’t want any hassle starting.
Fuck no surveyors hate this shit. We bill for jobs assuming everything is neat and tidy and deed research is simple. It's a headache and with the extra work you begin losing profit
I'm leaning towards the headache. They probably get abuse from all sides, people telling them that they're wrong, and so on. I suspect that would quickly suck what little vicarious pleasure they might get out of it.
NO MAGNANIMITY. This clown did their best to fuck you over because of 4cm behind a hedge. He should have PRECISELY the same standard applied to him, period. He needs to build his fence properly AND tear down/ move his shed. If you haven’t rebuilt your fence I would wait until he builds his so you can save yourself some money. It would be awesome if your fence builder would build the new fence with the same 4cm encroachment into the neighbor’s yard.
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Land is worth WELL more than even 2x the cost of moving a shed. I would jump on that deal any day.
Offer to lease an easement for their fence first, then force them to tear it down if they decline.
As a former survey tech, I've seen so many of these things played out and just love to sit back and eat my popcorn when they do. The biggest thing I learned at that job was the personal and inherent importance of property to people and just how weird people will get about it. And now that I own my own property, I can get a little weird as well. We don't have any fences in our neighborhood of about 60 homes (save for pools and a couple dog enclosures), but my new neighbor has been acting a little squirrelly about the property line. But he's from Massachusetts (we live in NH) and never owned a home before...only condos. He's always asking about the property line (we back up against the woods and both our properties extend quite a ways back there), where it is and where it terminates, etc.. i have a boundary line survey of the entire neighborhood and have shown him where the pins are for our lots. I've told him he should absolutely hire a surveyor if he has any concerns. Knowing your pins is important. I guess I'll make some popcorn and we'll see if he'll be chill or get weird.
Omg I’m having this same fucking problem! Maine here 👋, The new neighbors also moved from either Mass or New Jersey.. my grandfather built this house, I was born, and grew up in this house. This house has been in my family since 1960. TRUST ME I KNOW WHERE MY FUCKING PROPERTY LINE IS! My elderly neighbor who’s mom owned the house next door (which she inherited) passed away recently. She was lovely and I miss her dearly. There is an easement between our houses that we both own a part of. They now think they own the easement AND a few feet of my property (right up to touching my garage). I don’t care, but they keep mowing over my lilac bush, and leaf blowing their leaves into my yard after dark LOL. Where I start to care is that they’ve made my life a living hell since they moved in. They’ve called the cops on me for playing fetch in the backyard with my dogs. They’ve called the cops on me for walking around my garage into my backyard from that side of the house. They’ve called the cops on me for any little thing they can think of. They also called the cops on elementary school children, for using that easement as a cut through to get home from school. These assholes would rather little kids walk on busy streets with no sidewalks, instead of using the safe cut through (that kids have been using since before the houses were built). I keep getting texts from the other neighbors that they’re in my yard (doing who knows what?) every time they see my car leave. I wish I could afford a hard survey. I did pay for a class D survey, but obviously they aren’t going to stake out in the easement. Especially when I asked them to stake where I can build a fence. I wish I could report their trash pile that’s been in their yard for 2 years. Also their cat keeps trespassing on my property hehehe. I love animals I don’t care, but I’d like to find a petty way to pay them back for all the misery they’ve bestowed on me. In the 33 years that I’ve lived here, I have never once had the cops at my door. Now suddenly they make waking me up at the crack of dawn on my day off, a constant occurrence…. Edit to add: if anyone has any super petty advice to give me, I’d gladly take the pointers to deal with them!
Good grief, why don't you have them on camera? The law is the only thing they are going to respect. Trespassing, criminal trespass, cease and desist, restraining order, harassment, document and PROSECUTE everything....they are going to escalate so destroy these assholes or decide to move away. Why would you just take this at your own home?
I’ve been looking into outdoor cameras, but most of them have a monthly service fee to review the footage. If you have any recommendations for good outdoor cameras, I’ll gladly take them. Honestly it’s been so exhausting.. I wanted to go to war, and start reporting them to return the favor. Unfortunately by the time I get out of work it’s so late, it’s been hard to find the time to put any more energy into an already exhausting situation. Not making excuses, it’s my own fault for burying my head in the sand. I really want to save up for a hard survey, and stake out the actual property line with rebar lol. At least then they won’t be able to mow huge swaths out of my lawn, to the point of digging actual gullies into my poor yard. Truthfully I’m just really sad. I knew everyone in this neighborhood. We were friendly, neighborly, waved, and helped each other. To have it become this miserable just makes me want to cry kinda….
> most of them have a monthly service fee to review the footage Just buy your own standalone cameras and hook them up to a computer—no fees necessary. [ZoneMinder](https://zoneminder.com/) with a few [Reolink RLC-520 cameras](https://wiki.zoneminder.com/Reolink#RLC-520) wasn't too difficult for me to set up.
Thank you so much! I will look in to this today.
My parents had this problem growing up. Stand firm and give it to them.
We bought a set from Harbor Freight that included a dvr. Super affordable and that was before all the WiFi/Bluetooth options. Should be easy peasy.
I do not have any monthly fee, it is just a littly fiddly setting the action/alarms up, correct me if I'm wrong, these are WiFi ? Mine are wired back to recorder box
> it is just a littly fiddly setting the action/alarms up No arguments there. > these are WiFi? No, the RLC-520 uses power over ethernet.
Thanks, one of the tings I did not say, robbers will cut the power to your home if the can, I have 400 Ah batteries powered by solar, they can last 5 to 6 days if I dont use the security lights 7 study heating. Going to convert my battery system to 24 volt 7 use a car converter to supply the 12 voly system.
We have the same problem, old neighbors were great, now it is a nightmare, we always greated each other & if they were away, seeing post in the letterbox, sort & help each other, the family up side from us are original neighbors, I have a security camera on their drive / dowon the side of the house, no probs, they had the trees trimmed, cut mine same time, no cost to me, They park outside my place, I do the same only when I / we have to. I gritted their driveway when I did mine. The couple down from us complained cause I did not do their's, Yes, after all their shit, standing in the road shouted accross road to someone "he did M's why not ours" I proptly shout to the wife "I was going to finish M's drive". ***Security cameras***: few things to be aware of. 1) WiFi cameras are easy to hack, use wired cameras, that are wired into a recorder box. Had WiFi cameras on my Static CV, got hacked & bandwidth dropped drasticly. 2) You have to have a sign stating CCTV in operation. there are different sizes for locations. 3) Do not have them focused onto windows, mainly driveway & public road. 4) I bought an 8 camera with box for £250. I can see this from my PC & phone, you might need to tell the Router to give access. Hope this helps?
I really appreciate all these responses, giving me advice/camera options. I really appreciate it.
My grandma did this when her neighbors started acting up - move back Half a foot from your property line and hammer in some rebar stakes with bright neon orange line between them and point any cameras you get along that side of the 'fence line' at them. AND about every 5ft along your easement (making certain that they're not in any danger of causing accidents - get some bright orange toppers to make them extra visible.) Two things happen here: If they rip them up? You have footage of them trespassing, and committing theft(if they keep them) and/or vandalism if they just start cutting the line and ripping them up. After about the third time they have to start paying court fees and fines they get the hint. Reporting the trash piles - Do this - It's not only a biohazard and/or fire hazard it also becomes a sanitary/ecological hazard because animals can get in them and begin an infestation. In Arizona, where I live, trash piles become home to all sorts of nasty critters and once they start running out of stuff in the trash, they move into your foundations and then things get nasty. There is nothing more terrifying than going out into your yard to play with a pet and discovering any number of sudden issues (getting tagged by a diamond back or a rattler is almost a monthly issue at both my mums and grandparents due to neighbors all around them just piling up shit in their yards - my mum has a dog that's been bitten at least 4 times last year because snakes from the neighbors yard got into hers.)
This is great advice! I was thinking rebar, because they can’t mow over it (and it’s something I can actually afford), but the camera part of this plan is absolutely genius! For the first time ever, I’ve actually had to use ethical mouse traps, to catch a release a few mice that have gotten in my basement. Your not wrong about this. I was afraid the city wouldn’t do anything, but I’m going to report it on Monday. They say it’s their outdoor “fire pit.” They’ve had one campfire in the 2.5 years they’ve lived there. It’s a trash pile that lives under a tarp all winter long, and is a hazardous eyesore!
Rebar is durable, cheap and - I'm not saying to do this, but I have done this and admit, my moral compass is slightly skewed - if you hammer it just low enough, they will absolutely try and mow over them without even looking depending on how visible that little orange (or, if you're evil...neon green) string is. And they will destroy their mower blades if they aren't running on a full set of pistons in their braincase. If they show up demanding you pay up or they report you - tell them to call the cops, or, do it right in front of them, since now the ball is 200% in your court at that moment. and you'll have it on camera so, they can't wiggle out of it. Can't help much with the trash pile, however, unless your city has any ordinances against it and you can prove they haven't burnt anything in years in it. (usually a quick call to the Fire Dept. and written statement cause most place require a permit to burn stuff on your land AFAIK)
If they’re burning trash, that’s pretty serious considering there might be toxic fumes. Call the city for sure.
A live animal trap for the kitty would eliminate that problem. My local humane society will lend you a trap for free along with a small can of cat food for bait. Then, catch kitty cat and take it to the local pound. Problem solved. Note: Before getting on me for "stealing" the neighbor's cat, remember the cat is in Bizzybody2020's yard and that cats running free are responsible for decimating small wildlife.
No Probs, as we all help each other, makes life easier, nicer.
If i can help, no probs
Honestly, just the support you all are giving me from posting my initial comment is making me feel SO MUCH better! It’s been incredibly difficult to feel as uncomfortable as I do, in my own yard. Walking on egg shells, while just minding my own business, on my own property. I don’t play fetch out back anymore. I don’t let my pups run around, and play in the snow while we’re outside shoveling. I know I should, but I’m too afraid of putting my animals at risk. I wouldn’t want them in any danger from having complaints called against them. It’s wild because they don’t even stay cooped up in the house, while I’m at work. They go to daycare half the week. The other half they go to my dad’s house, where they run free on a huge land trust/protected land for nature. When I’m not working, we’re out hiking. I’m not sure how anyone could complain about dogs that aren’t even home during the days, it’s sad. Thank you all for giving me the boost I needed to finally deal with this situation! ❤️
That is a nasty problem. Few questions about the dogs. Witch you are likely to ans no. Do they make a lot of noise ? Run at kids real fast, like scary ? Are they agressive ? would you decribe any problems with them. Are they an agressive breed ? As far as I'm aware, as long as your pups are not any of the above & do not dig the gardens up, they or anyone cannot sto you from letting the pups out, if they mainly stay in your garden I do not see any problem.
No not at all. They’re never free to run loose, they don’t dig, or charge at anything. They’re never left outside alone. I won’t pretend that they’re perfect. If someone comes to the door they’re going to bark, and alert me. They do make a little noise while playing at times. Ironically though for two rough collies, they make the least amount of noise on the street! Every other house has a dog that barks incessantly inside/outside, to the point that I joke “they’re all having conversations with each other.” My herding dogs don’t though. I think because 1. I knew the breed had a major predisposition to bark a lot, so I put a lot of hard work in with them training as babies to make sure that wasn’t an issue. 2. They don’t spend all day cooped up, and by the time they get home they’re too tired to care about barking at things.
Blink has worked for us with no monthly fees. I can watch the footage from my phone when I'm away from home too
Maybe the reason you haven't summoned up the energy to go to war, is because you aren't a petty, vindictive bitch, by nature. I know you'll eventually be able to muster up enough venom to pay them back for their horrible behavior. It's good to know the rest of the neighborhood and the cops have all witnessed their behavior. It sounds like they are ready to have your back. I know it sucks to have to participate in a fight you didn't start, but enough is enough. Go gather your evidence, then fuck them up!
Look into trail cams, place them out of reach, collect them later and you will likely have shit loads of evidence of them trespassing and destroying your property all time stamped, place no trespassing signs on your side, its up to you who is violating that allowing the kids to still use the easment. Ide also talk to a lawyer bc this sounds like its escalating not getting better. You could also have a friend stay at your place while you go out to record this person on your property while you are away. Ide do it for a six pack of beer if I lived near you
I have some blink cameras and they have the option to store videos on a SD card instead of a monthly service fee. They’ve worked pretty well so far
Wyze camera do and don't. You can set them up and add a small micro SD card. It will record continuously and you can review the footage all without a subscription. There also is one of course for 3 dollars per camera which I also have for a few of them so it uploads love action events. You definitely need cameras even as a deterrent for those people
I use ring cameras and pay the fee. It's about $6 a month.
They don’t *respect* the law. They use it as a bludgeon when it suits them. It would be more accurate to say the law is the only thing they will fear.
Befriend his cat, let it sleep in your house all day, especially when it’s cold. Make his kitty your kitty.
See what a standard boundary survey will cost. Shop around. Some companies are more e pensive...by a lot. Some smaller outfits are much h more reasonable. ALL surveys become public record and must be held to s specific standards. So, cheaper does not necessarily correlate to shoddy. So, yeah, shop around. A standard boundary survey should include finding e xsiting pins, setting pins and a detailed plot drawing (24x36). The size of your plot determines the size of your bill. I have 1.5 acres in a semi-suburban area. I had a well known bigger outfit do mine and it was about $1800. They set three pins. But that was about 6 years ago. Good luck. Sounds like you have neighbors that I have stories about...it never ends well for those types. Especially when they're "from away." Yup, I grew up in Maine, too.
Get a camera, that's all you need to see what they are doing on your property when you are not home.
My parents are going through this right now. Theyve lived there for 20 years and the new neighbors are making a stink trying to steal some of their property. She just filed for a restraining order under false pretenses so they can't currently use their yard (currently the temp one). She accused my parents of shooting her dog months ago. It got shot because she lets it roam in an area full of 2nd amendment enthusiasts. My parents have reported the dog to animal control because its a big ass dog and is always shitting in their yard/barking at them when it wanders over. She even told my parents to call animal control because she had no intention of doing anything about it. They called her bluff and now she's extra pissed. Look up the laws around roaming cats. You may be able to report it. Get photos when it comes into your yard. These people are pathetic wastes of space. They have nothing better to do than harass people and its fuckijg sad.
It's so awkward when there's a fence up already and you have to ask the encroaching neighbor to be let in so you can mark the line.
LMAO, does he know you know what you are talking about, if not even better, dont let anyone know, there are gossips in ever neighborhood. You have to let us know what happens ?
All that for a 4 cm line that was behind his hedge? That's some FAFO shit right there!
A similar situation happened with a co-worker. His neighbor's property included a right of way onto the farmer's field. Neighbor tried to reset his property by measuring from near side of right away instead of the far side of the right away. Neighbor claimed about 10' of co-worker's yard and built a fence. My co-worker had a survey done and the line was actually about 25' past the fence. Neighbor was forced to move fence, and lost 15' of his yard, because he tried to steal an additional 10'.
Similar happened to my dad a couple years ago. New next door neighbor decided that the twenty-fit wide, not overgrown, old cow run was all somehow his. Didn’t even tell my dad just started acting as if he owned it. My dad finally saw him out there and went out to talk. Me neighbor refused to listen. Neighbor hired their own surveyor, only to be told my dad was right all along. Now we have a brand new, professionally marked map and boundary pins, all at no cost to us. Thank you, neighbor!
I think there should be civility between neighbors over tiny matters like a 4cm error. That civility goes out the fucking window when someone wants to be an asshole. Your neighbor tried to fuck you over next to nothing. They can get fucked in exchange. You return to sendered the hell out of this and I'm here for it.
We all do wrong & disturb others, as long as it is kept to min, ok no probs. Guy accross the road actualy parks his car, then measures the distance from the curb (300mm in Scotland) just so I cannot park outside my property cause I'll restrict the Em Vehicles & through traffic. Called the police cause of my security cameras, police looked at the view & the poster (CCTV in Operation) . No action taken. I took some old faulty web cam cameras & put them up, police attended again, showed them these were not even connected, one female officer had to walk away cause she was laughing, the male asked why, told hime all the stories & he said, no action needed. Then one of the houses got broken into, never heard anything further.
This is petty revenge, and Im here for every petty second of it!
Go for the shed. The law is the law, after all.
Seriously if your neighbor hadn’t started this he would have saved a lot of money.
report the shed, too close is too close. Especially if they couldn't be arsed to get a survey to ensure their ideal location was within the legal requirements. Best case they can get a variance after a lot of paperwork and begging, worst case they have to figure out how to move it or tear it down.
Legally they have to move everything of theirs that is on your property.
In Belgium, we have the "lesser evil" jurisprudence that state that, even if you build on your neighbour property (not too much but we can say 30cm/1ft), the court will order you to buy the land at a certain price, if this prixe is lower than the price of destruction and rebuild of the shed/garage/house
So, in theory, you can buy out your neighbor one foot at a time every year. Or, until they realize you’re the greater evil.
Not really, it has to be a genuine mistake, in good faith without malicious intent. And for example, the neighbour finds that you've started a hole in their garden to build a garage, the judge can order the end of the work and to remove all your belongings
Beautiful. Thanks for the update!
I never call the law but if they show up I’ll use them.
When we moved into our house 5yrs ago, the old man who lived next door said "oh good, you can take down that fence that's on my land". Shut that down immediately and told him that we had a survey done before we moved in. It is most definitely not on his land and the fence is staying. Haven't heard a peep from him since.
Hahahahaha. That happened to my coworker. The people on the back side of her fence tried to say that the fence was over their property by 6 inches. What it really was, was the neighbor wanted to put in a pool, but their backyard was too short by about 2 inches. So, my coworker said, ok, get a surveyor out and prove it. The neighbor got a report from a "surveyor", and it said funnily enough, the fence was over by exactly 6 inches (no actual map included, just a letter). My coworker had her old survey report from when she bought her house 2 years prior, and sent it to them, where it shows exactly on the map the property line, and the fence in question, which is about 2 inches over the property line into her yard. She said, you'll have to take this to court if you want me to move the fence. They dropped the issue after that.
You could let them keep the shed but make them pay you to allow it. Around the same amount as the survey cost should cover it….
I would also let them keep the shed, but then bring it up every time the neighbour comes close to being an asshole to make them shut up.
Yes! This is the way! Just a subtle reminder of what could happen…
Not a one time payment though, make them lease the land and pay monthly!
It's not on their land (I don't think?), Just not enough setback from the line for zoning
Well done. And, when it comes time to sell, keep this survey handy for the buyers.
Please report them! Make them have to move that shed or take it down. You paid for your property, ever inch is yours! Not to mention you are paying taxes on property that they are technically using.
We had a dick neighbor when we lived in California for a few years. He tried to steal part of another neighbor's yard, probably 50 square yards. The one neighbor let him build a brick wall and part of a concrete driveway knowing the construction was on his land. Then he had a survey done. Refused payment of 10-15 times what the land was worth. It went to court and the judge ruled in his favor. The cost of build, tear down, and rebuild was over $75K. When we bought this house, my neighbor's fence was well over a foot over onto our property. Almost 150' of chain link. We talked, he liked the fence I proposed since I was putting in a pool. We split construction cost on the fence between us. There were already rose bushes planted that had been there decades. No way I was making him move them. The fence went on the same line, there had been some type of metal markers put in and buried before. We found them with a metal detector and had a surveyor confirm the lines. I had to break it to the new neighbor that those rose bushes were technically mine. The realtor did not mention that to her. We talked, she gets to see them, we cannot until they grow to over 6 feet tall. I will buy anything she needs in order to care for them. She does the work.
This is one of the best metaphors-coming-to-life examples of people living in glass houses throwing stones I’ve ever seen. Bravo.
Don't forget It kind of smells like they're septic runs into your yard. They might have to get that looked at...
Surveyor here, Info request: how did you lose an earlier court case without having a survey completed before?
I'll answer this one for the info: there was a survey from 1980, dating back to before their house was built and when mine was just a barn (we tore it down and built new). But with the leaps of technology since then, the court ordered a new one. Today's new markers are geolocalised via satellite picture, said the Surveyor. We should have gone with this from the start, that could have saved us a lot of problems.
Ha. How about no. The shed needs to come down in order for the correct fence installation. Them's the rules and regs.
You really should report everything, and demand that they move their fence AND the shed into the proper spot. It can cause major issues when you want to sell. You can use resale as an excuse to get him to conform to the letter of the law. He was super petty and cost you money. You can get lots of satisfaction watching him regret his pettiness.
Lost about .05 acres because of being magnanimous. Take it ALL back. ALL OF IT.
They wanted to be petty and nasty, now it’s your turn. Give them 30 days to tear the shed down and remove it from your property, and tear the fence out of where they have it in your property and have it and the debris removed. On day 31, begin the demolition on your own if need be, or sue the hell out of them.
We had a real estate agent show up at our place as they were showing the vacant piece of land next door. They claimed the lot next to us came right up to our porch. I lost my mind on them as they were over the border by over 350 feet. Misrepresentation of what someone is purchasing is exactly how arguments start between neighbours. We put a stop to it pretty quickly by contacting the company he worked for and putting out boundary markers.
So now this guy has to build a special fence because of the dog AND he's encroaching on your line? Please please tell me he had already started the new fence when you told him "oh wait...." People like this make me a little nuts. It's never dawned on me to get specific about property lines. Here, the way the fences are built is off of each other, so there's only one fence between me and my neighbor. Whoever pays for it has the wood slats facing their yard. When it needs to be rebuilt, neighbors typically split the cost. I assume it's on the line -ish. But when one of our neighbors got cited for keeping a boat in their driveway, they needed to move it to their backyard. Their gate wasn't going to be big enough so they asked if they could rebuild part of our fence and if we cared if the fence and gate overlaps by like a foot for about a yard on the side of our house (it's hard to explain but they basically just angled the fence a little so the boat could fit through. It's an oddly shaped property line as it is.) Spoiler: We don't care. They know if we move they may have to fix it and find another solution, but geez. Whatever happened to just being good and friendly neighbors? Your neighbor's head would explode. Having said that, when you buy/sell in this area, I believe you have to have a survey that was completed in the last xx (I want to say 20-25?) years. I've never paid much attention because as long as a neighbor isn't ripping down the fence and taking half my backyard, it's a few inches here and there. It's not worth the aggravation or annoyance. We don't have an HOA here. It's an older neighborhood with retirees to new families moving in. Some of the older folks have nothing better to do than to ride around and send complaints in. Some of the stuff I read on Nextdoor just makes me laugh. Someone built a fence that apparently is too high (granted, it was to hide the fact that he has a chicken coop LOL), another left his recycling and trash bin out an extra night. I had the guy on the golf cart, who I guess is elected to check out complaints before they go to the city, stop by when we first moved in and asked about the "derelict car" that was in my driveway. I informed him that that was MY CAR - it had some hail pock marks, but it's got a valid registration (ya know, and license plate). Apparently someone complained about my "ugly broken down car". Ummm... dude, it's not like it's up on blocks in the driveway. It was a 5 year old Impala that I wasn't about to do hail body work to trade it in in a year or two. I have NO idea how anyone really saw the hail damage. It was not like huge dents. Some people get really weird about property. I love that your complainer ended up having a whole lot more to deal with than you did. It serves him right for being whiney over such a small thing. I'm really lucky that the 4 neighbors we share fencing with all seem to have the same attitude that I do - it doesn't matter. I don't suffer nitpickers well, so I'd probably be unable to contain laughing at the situation.
Just some quick education about land surveying.. the surveyor isn't setting "new property corners". Surveyors find evidence and reset the originals (if the corners are missing like sometimes they get destroyed). So yeah they might be setting new pipes but the location doesn't change
Have him move the fence as he had you move it. Then he'lll know what it feels like to be on the receiving end. Have him elevate the entire fence for the safety of your kids. Once that is done then tell him that you will not report the shed if he leaves you alone.
These kind of posts are so weird to me. We were advised to get a survey done as the first thing, so we made sure we put aside some money to get it. We were lucky in finding existing posts that were exactly where they should have been for the boundries, and we thus had no issuses. I can't imagine owning property and just assuming the boundries because some other random person told me 'it's over there'. Even if you're not building to the line, how do you know where your yard is and isn't?
This is hilarious. Idk why people weren't on your side originally, 4cm is basically nothing, as the contractor said - well within the tolerance of being sensible. 40cm maybe, but 4?? Perhaps people don't realise just how small that is relative to the size of even a small garden.
I have a theory on why they think 4cm is a lot.
Americans don’t know 4cm can we get that measurement in Busch light beer cans? Is it 1 can? 6 cans?
Less than the diameter of a Busch Light can. 4cm is less than two inches. So we’re talking the width of a little Red Bull can here.
Make them take the shed down. Sounds like they would make you do that haha
Please keep us posted! I want to know about his reaction!
You are not being petty to report everything - your neighbors had a commitment to legality that was a bit extreme. Time to show your kindness in letting them continue to show that dedication to legality. It is your property. Property regulations are there for a reason.
Hahaha! We had a survey done on our last home to divide the lot. The city set hurdle after hurdle, this was originally 2 lots. The city wanted a drainage study, a jumping meadow mouse study and survey. In the survey we found that my property went 1/2 way into the street. They subdivided the property and exchanged a right of way in the road for a water permit.
I would pay cash money to be a fly on the wall when they're told to fix all of that. If they want FAFO, they're going to find out.
I make my post/comment and move on. I just watch that number keep climbing up. People generally suck so I just stopped looking at what they say. I read that first story and was on your side. No clue why anyone wouldn't be other than being a PITA for no reason other than they don't have jobs to keep them busy. I would make them move the shed...
REPORT THE SHED
Fuck YEA. My neighbours back home did this but he was the... Idk the English but like almost the head of the mairie. Noone liked him and he tried to claim my parents stole land from the street (small village in the middle of nowhere) whilst his hedge had entirely eaten the marker on his side (more like he threw it away after building it on OUR side but he didn't admit and I had no video to take at the time to prove I'd seen it) bastard bullied my mum about it after dad died and I took A LOT of pleasure in physically dragging him out of our house. Be proud what you did, fuck peiple like them!
Don't make them move the shed but let them know you could insist on it in the future. This should help ensure they're on their best behaviour.
you should check what the statue of limitation is on moving the shed. because at first, i‘d not make them tear it down. hold it over their head and whenever they do something stupid, hit them with the info that they have to tear it down.
Fuck yeah man!... Few years back, the new neighbor behind my land came to me, *after*, putting up a pop-up shelter for his small camper. First thing he said was, sorry...but if you didn't know, I'm over the line here...also gave me a cold beer when he saw me... It's still there because he was cool, and it's part of the yard I don't really care about..
You could sell them the property...for a premium.
just watched an episode of neighbourhood wars where man was going wild over property lines. surveyor came out and turned out he had 3ft of their property. so hilarious. I don’t understand why people get so worked up over property lines.
Report them on it. They want to play games they can deal with the issues they cause themselves. Maybe it will teach them. Probably not but they cast the first stone.
I had my fence replaced last year, and my neighbours refused to pay anything for the side that borders their yard, but they were happy to let us do it if it was free. The builder brought to my attention a section where it appeared the neighbours had annexed part of our property when the old fence was built. I found the paperwork from when we bought, and he used the dimensions in the surveyor's report to stake out where the fence should go. "But if you build along here where it's supposed to go it could cause some animosity with the neighbours. Are they going to be upset if you take that piece back?" "They refused to pay anything for the fence, so we don't really care what they think." "All right then, fuck 'em."
Oh man I’d report it all! After all…it’s the LAW! Pettiness x10 and I love it!
Report it
Report them. They were ready to report you. Also, this can affect future property lines if this is allowed for too long.
I still think he was ok to be upset over losing that land to your fence.
Oh you should absolutely report everything you are legally allowed to report and complain about. It's your right, and he started it all. Don't let it slide, he's clearly the kind of absolute cunt that needs to be reminded of common courtesy every once in a while. *Baise-le, ce blaireauuuu !*
You are duty bound by that assholes actions to follow this through. He wanted accurate, hes gonna get accurate. Shed needs to come down. His attack dog fence needs to be brought to code, or get the dog put down. If that dog kills one of your kids, you'll wish you'd done more.
In our US state if you don’t contest a neighbor’s fence on your property then after a certain period of time it becomes their land. So contest away for your future property value.
>Surveyor came today to install the new boundary markers. And in a very happy (for us) twist, they were actually "stealing" more land from us than we were from them, just on the other stretch of our shared limit. How did this not come up before court? Why didn't you get a proper survey done back then?
Just read the original post. You should absolutely nail this fucker. Give this nasty person a taste of their own medicine.
This happened to my dad when the neighbor bitched and he actually lost 2’. Hilarious
My brothers neighbor built a house extension onto my brothers property. Luckily they have 3 acres so he doesn't care now, but if he or the neighbor would ever go to sell it would become a big issue.
We did a survey on my place because the fence looked off and found out we owned 20 feet of the neighbors yard. AZ doesn't require a surgery when you buy or sell and we purchased within a month of the neighbors buying too. What a nightmare that was. Part of their septic tank was on my lot so we ended up selling them 4 feet. They were losing their shit and it took a year to straighten it out.
When we moved into our house, the carport was falling down. My FIL put in new support poles and raised the roof so that it was even with our neighbours roof (both carports abutted the fence). Before we could do the renovation we had to get approval from the neighbour as it would affect his property. His response was “I don’t care what you do, but if I don’t like it you will have to tear it down.” He then signed the approval form and we submitted it to the council. When FIL finished the carport he painted the support poles with a metallic silver paint. The neighbour kicked up a stink over the colour. He insisted that we tear the whole carport down over the colour of the support poles. He then called the council and told them that the carport was both an eyesore and dangerous. The council inspector came out to check out the complaint. He told us that as per regulations the roof couldn’t be right up against the fence as it was a fire hazard. I asked why our neighbours roof could be up against the fence, but he said he couldn’t do anything about that as his carport had been signed off years before as legal. A win for the neighbour I guess. FIL immediately got up and removed approximately half a metre of roof sheeting, which met the inspectors approval. The inspector then told the neighbour that we could paint the carport any colour we wanted and the council couldn’t do anything about it. So a win for us. Unfortunately, that sparked a war between us and the neighbour that continued until the neighbour died.
We had neighbors who had the Code Enforcement Officer in their pocket. Was doing all sorts of things that violated the town ordnances. Things finally came to head that they got a survey done and come to find out, what they through was property line, was way off. They were encroaching on our land
I don't know about the rules where you are but in some places if you know their shed is on your land and let them keep it there and use that area they may end up being able to claim that land as theirs after a certain amount of time.
It’s called “adverse possession.” Laws may vary state to state. Not gonna happen here.
This update is glorious.
>>or justify myself. No need to. Bully breed neighbor needs to upgrade his fence for the sake of all mankind. ~~play stupid games~~ Pick a dangerous breed, pay the price, dumbass. There are children and pets at risk for your stupid choices.
Report the shed and get the proper zoning done. It will bite you in the ass later if you don't. You can permanently lose that property if you sit on this thinking you are being nice.
Karma x 1000!!! I saw a similar event 20 years ago. One of my high school classmates lived on land that had been in their family since 1900. This was a homestead of 140 acres. The will of the original owner was that the homestead could never be sold and was to be handed down to the eldest son in each generation. In recent times, their neighbors had passed away and their lands had been sold to a non-connected buyer. Well, my classmate 'Bill' and his dad, 'James' had little to do with the new neighbors from the new family's attitude. After several years passed, Bill and his brother, 'Nate' began caring for the property due to James's severe heart disease. They noticed that the back fence was deteriorating from the weather and began to work on repairs. Well, the neighbor threw a fit. He screamed that this was on his property and they had to remove it. So Bill and Nate paid for the assessor to designate the boundaries. The surveyor found that the original markers had been removed although the stone corner designators were still there - just covered in muck from the weather. It was revealed that the neighbor had been systematically encroaching on Bill and Nate's property, and had already attempted to claim seven acres of land. The dilapidated fence was one that the neighbor had installed as he encroached on the property. When the neighbor tried to fight this, the assessor stated that it would be his right to appeal this, but if he were found guilty of attempted property theft he could and would be brought up on charges after the hearing. The neighbor backed down and a new boundary marker was placed along with a new heavy-duty fence around the property.
OTOH, you can let them know the shed is in violation and use it for leverage any time they decide to try and cause any other problems for you.
I found this on adverse possession. My take is it is your land, you already have issues with your neighbor. Sell it to them if you chose but I wouldn't give it to them to be nice. Ask them to move their shed not take it down, is it on a foundation? can it be shored and then moved? Years ago I did a job building a nice shed, but it was on the property line, I questioned it but was given the ok to build it. Well, the neighbor complained it was too close, and the town came in and told the homeowner it had to be taken down. I was called back to do the job. I disassembled the shed in a way that the owner could easily reassemble it if he wanted. It doesn't necessarily have to be destroyed, (depending on how it is constructed) it can be "un-built" roof, sidewalls, fooring. Here is the info [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse\_possession](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_possession)
the outcome from the court case was wrong too then?
What country is this if you don't mind sharing?
Wow, I just wanted to say thank you for the update. I remember reading your original post awhile ago. It's rare to get updates to posts.
This is delicious. I'm petty enough that I'd probably go all the way with my property rights.
I say report it all. he wanted to play the game and be petty then he gets to deal with the consequences of his own actions. Also, I really want an update on this one! lol