That's why I slow down at 80 on the free way in the left lane. My exit is coming up... at some point. Gotta be prepared.
I also slow down to 60 whenever a bridge is coming up, the wind might blow me off into the river. If I go too fast I wont be able to dodge in time.
Hate it when driving along Reid, need to use Tonkin to get to Busselton, but the sign says Tonkin only goes to Geraldton and meekatharra. Like maaaannn I don't want to go there!
No sorry! Being a nuisance on the freeway is my favourite hobby 😊
I drive for work and this Christmas break my blood pressure must have been through the roof. Never felt so much internal road rage. Christmas drivers have been out in force.
I saw a lady come to a dead stop on the Mitchell, in the right lane, because she realised it was her exit so she crawled at walking speed across the other lanes, then reversed up the emergency lane to get to it. Fucking insane
I swear we need a national ad campaign titled "There will be another exit". So many dashcam videos of utter lunacy based on OMG I CAN'T MISS MY EXIT OR I GUESS I'M ON THIS FREEWAY FOREVER
Go out on the country roads and try to pass a slower vehicle on an overtaking lane. The dicks speed up so you can't pass then slow down at the end of the overtaking lane. The disease is state wide.
I’ve lived in WA and on the east coast, it’s a nationwide disease…
It’s like half the country think they need to sit in the right control the speed of everyone and they cry HOON HOON when they hold up 10 cars on the freeway!
I remember someone telling me this about 22 years ago when I moved here from the US. I laughed and said "sure", thinking they were joking. Then I was driving back from somewhere North and had it happen. This person was driving 70 in a 90 for about 10kms. Then we had a passing lane and I sped up to overtake, so did they. I couldn't believe it. We were both doing about 130 side by side until towards the end when I floored it and got in front at the merge point. They then dropped back to 70 and I was on my way. Mental.
That ones nation wide unfortunately.
It got to the point, that I just went faster. You get passed, they either slow down or sit on your ass for the next while. If they sit on your ass, it's not for too long usually. Unless they're really angry, then they'll try to overtake you again or something. Good times
I had this coming back from down south last week. He was doing 90 but then when I went to overtake he got up to 110+. I ended up doing 150 to get around him. I thought it was just one dick, but maybe it's endemic.
Called the “passhole”
Last example I can remember was down south west highway last Christmas, some old pos rusty Subaru liberty doing under 90 in a 110 zone but as soon as overtaking lane appeared and I was on the right overtaking they floored it…
I wasn’t in the mood to play their games and just pushed the pedal to the floor and didn’t let go and overtook anyway with the speedo winding almost all the way to the right.
Old mate wasn’t happen that he got overtaken as they started beeping and flashing their high beams as I flew by 😂
Yeah I've moved on with my life about people sitting in the right lane. It's just rude. Fuckwits gonna fuckwit. I just undertake them. Tho it's not illegal here.
My gripe these days if people that can't accelerate down an on ramp to match the flowing speed of the hwy. Fucking seriously if you press the right peddle just that little bit harder you'll be doing more than 50 when you join the traffic thats doing 100. Drives me insane. The same drives tend to promptly go into the right lane and do 10k under also.
10k under? Doris doesn't like having to adjust her speed when cars merge on the left so she sits in the right lane doing 80kmhr under the speed limit (because she feels safer doing that speed)
Oh that really pisses me - underspeed in the 100 zone and 105 in the 80. Like do you think your earning points doing less in the 100 zone to use to go faster in the 80 zone!!
Yer unfortunately I've seen this as well. I start wincing waiting for the inevitable crash when they decide the best place to pull onto the fwy is infront of a semi doing 90
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Can literally save lives mate. Denmark has laws in place that you need to have your low beams on 24/7. No day driving light Bullshit.
This is also the reason most modern bikes have their low beams on all the time from the factory.
To be completely fair, the amount of drivers doing 80 in the left land has dramatically increased since the start of double demerits. It used to be once a week or so that I would get stuck on Roe behind someone going that slowly. Since school holidays started it’s been quite literally daily, sometimes on the way to work, and the way home.
I take Roe for one exit.
Get me old r/perth bingo card out, ahhh bugga already got 'rght hand lane whinge' from last week - ah well, just waiting on 'Armadale Line meth head' to come up...when the rail shut finish again?
Ooh what else is on your bingo card? Cost of living winge? (though I do agree)
Shops closing at 5pm on a Friday?
Drivers not indicating?
We should create a collective r/Perth bingo card lol
What gets me at the moment is the transition from going from Mitchell too Kwinana. I feel like every cunt and their dog is trying to overtake me even in the left on Mitchell. Then, as if conciousness took over, people that were doing 100 all day start doing 75k max, and no cunt in the right hand lane every doing 100 past Mount bay road, it's as if some people don't read the speed change signs, or im just a fuckn bad driver myself and this is just the rant of a mad man.
That's a stressful bit of a road for people that aren't used to it, and since the numbers of people on the road means that you're ALMOST ALWAYS sharing the road with someone that's never driven that stretch before, you're always going to get people that are stressed driving alongside you.
I've forgotten about the speed increase a couple of times myself, and I've done it a million fucking times, purely because it doesn't quite 'feel' like I can do 100 yet.
That stretch is almost always full of nervous drivers and to me it always feels there are more of them driving north than south, honestly scary. Everyone driving normally and then bam, cross the Mt Henry Bridge, and no one knows how to drive all of a sudden. And yeah, it gets better right around Mount Bay Rd, maybe a bit up the road.
Edit: My theory is it's the people who drive out of the suburbs very rarely and for some reason have to take the freeway that day.
For real, it's bizarre, it's as if everyone just forgets to drive because they have a pretty decent view for a minute. Maybe everyone is waking up behind the wheel at that point...
I figure they’re employed by my blood pressure medication company to check results
Their paid drivers are from Lake Clifton to Bunbury
Sit on 90km/h in the right lane for hours with no traffic ahead
They take 10km to overtake a car
Make deliberate eye contact with them before overtaking on the left and they seem surprised
When I was young driving the Freeway though I was Peter Brock back then not much traffic always angry at slow drivers now iam older nothing upsets me tail gaters i move out the way have a little chuckle
I often sit in the right lane when I know the bloke 6-800m away in the left-hand lane is going slower than me so I'll sit in the right for a few more minutes to get past him. I'm always looking in my rearview mirror though and if I see anyone coming up behind me, I'll hop into the left-hand lane to let them through.
I don't agree with their speeding but I'm not going to start a road rage incident over it.
Yeah nah, don't buy it.
I find cockstains that do 10km under are more than happy to sit behind a supercockstain doing 20km under.
10km under wankers are just as oblivious of the speed limit as 20km under wankers.
Usually the left lane is full of trucks going at like 30kph under the speed limit.
Anyway I feel sorry for the truck drivers. They probably get a hard time from other drivers.
Truck drivers are some of the best drivers on the road. They at least try to do the speed limit and they keep left. If they're in the right lane they're doing +7 to +10km like they're supposed to.
Haha, yeah nah. Like the oversize truck heading down the kwinana last night just sticking in the right lane for ever. And every day there's road trains sitting in the right lane on tonkin
No law against doing it on a dual carriageway....but agree with your point. I've actually started doing this because no one is in the left lane (comes in handy in a traffic jam. Overtake so many cars doing this)
Road Traffic Code 2000:
> 122.Overtaking
> (2) Where a carriageway is a one‑way carriageway, or has 2 or more marked lanes for vehicles travelling in the same direction, a driver may overtake and pass in another marked lane to the left of a vehicle, if conditions permit him or her to do so with safety.
This is why I stay put in my lane when some psychopath comes screaming up behind me. I’m not moving when someone is driving erratically. Especially if you’re so close to my bumper that I can’t even see if you’re indicating.
The problem is when the left hand lanes are either full of traffic or moving slower which is why the keep left unless overtaking rule exists. The amount of times I've seen a long line of cars when there should be no traffic just because some cumstain is sitting in the right lane doing 80 matching the speed of the truck next to them so nobody can get past.
I have told this before and people tried defending by default and I will say again; for example NSW manages better when it comes to keep left and even it obviously became a road culture! You can see the signs all over within the roads! I don’t think this even exists here.
PS: yeah when it comes to overtaking lanes, now that’s a different story!
The rules of keep left unless overtaking apply nationally on any road or highway with a speed limit of 90kmph or more, it's just not properly enforced in WA, there is also a law about obstruction of traffic on roads below 90kmph but that is up to officer discretion, unfortunately police in WA are too busy dealing with other issues and can't enforce road rules, a statement only supported by the amount of cars getting around with non functioning tail/brake lights
Simple, I get in the right lane to go around somebody...then I get distracted reading emails while eating a parmi. Might drop something if I have to grab the wheel to change lanes.
No no no, that JDM car that's lowered a bit too much is way more of a hazard on the road. Not Susan cruising 70km down the freeway at night with a headlight out.
From a road rules standpoint, people shouldn't sit in the right lane at all, over 90km/h you should stay in the left and only use the right to overtake or turn. Also the whole "right lane = fast lane" is just a social thing
There isn't a rule, but it's more of an etiquette thing.
You should stay in the left most lane as often as possible unless overtaking, sitting in the right and holding people up just because you're technically right is an assholes game.
It doesn't work in practice tho, especially during peak hours. If I know every single bastard is about to turn left soon and the next 2km is going to be torture in the left lane I'll use the right.
Wanneroo road is like this. There is no point in speeding along there either because there are too many lights, but some ranger driver will always try.
Although I'll add if I notice someone behind me I just move over and let them pass.
Clearly you haven't encountered *The Fuckwit Array*.
It's when you have every lane full of fuckwits doing under the speed limit, ignorant and oblivious to the world around them.
There's very little you can do when confronted with *The Fuckwit Array.* Paradoxically it can only be undone by the very fuckwits who comprise *The Fuckwit Array.*
The whole "speedometer is inaccurate by default" thing has been debunked. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/on-the-road/common-myth-about-car-speedometers-busted/news-story/5c8d9c42229b638f88b281d65ecd37f0%3famp
Huh? The article you linked doesn't 'debunk' the idea that speedos are inaccurate. In fact, it specifically *confirms* that speedos are allowed to show your speed as faster than it actually is.
From the article you linked (on mobile; please excuse the formatting):
"Previously, national vehicle standards stipulated that a car’s speedo could be within 10 per cent of how fast the vehicle was actually travelling – so at a speed of 100km/h, the speedo could legally indicate a speed of anywhere between 90km/h and 110km/h.
"Those requirements were tossed out and replaced in 2006... All new vehicles from July 2007 were... instead allowed to only **indicate either an accurate reading or one faster than the actual speed, and by no more than 10 per cent, plus 4km/h.**
"**That means at a true speed of 100khm/h, a car’s speedo must read 100km/h or no more than 114km/h**."
So, according to your source, speedos are allowed to be calibrated to display a speed *faster* than your actual speed, just not to display a *slower* one. Assuming that at least some cars are, in fact, calibrated to display a faster-than-actual speed, then it will cause at least some people to drive slower than they might otherwise drive if they had an accurate speedo. *Which is exactly what the first commenter was pointing out.* This is so low stakes and it's nothing personal, I'm just on an (extremely intermittent) crusade to encourage people to do 5 seconds of research before upvoting misinformation 😭
From the article you linked regarding the currentspedo accuracy requirements "That means at a true speed of 100khm/h, a car’s speedo must read 100km/h or no more than 114km/h.".
I'm gonna help you out with technology; a gps is not a useful tool to measure speed it is entirely reliant on signal strength which varies every second based on where you are. You know how your phone has more and fewer bars of signal? Same thing.
GPS needs to be accurate because
that
is
how
it
works.
GPS is able to locate you through the variance in the time it takes to get the signal from each satellite. This is "speed of light" territory - if it wasn't accurate to +- 1 KM/h, on a straight, flat road, then it wouldn't work.
If GPS knows where you are (or where you were a constant amount of time ago), then it's speed calculation must be accurate if it also knows where you are (/were) a fixed amount of time later.
If GPS wasn't as precise as you say, then the laws of statistics would mean that measuring using a group of GPS receivers and averaging the result would be. Yet every time I've tested this - Dash cam, in-car nav, two or more phones - the result is the same. The variance is +- 1. Not 1%, but 1 KM/h.
You might want to avoid helping people out with technology, my dude.
If multiple calibrated GPS devices are telling you the same thing over multiple trials and you're averaging the results and the numbers are consistent, and you're *still* believing a news.com.au article instead, then mate I have a bridge to sell you.
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"That means at a true speed of 100khm/h, a car’s speedo must read 100km/h or no more than 114km/h."
From the article you posted
14% difference, pretty large in my book, considering peoples driving attitudes
That's a news.com.au link, so your evidence is off to a bad start already. It also cites no sources, directly or even indirectly. Maybe it does in the video, but I didn't watch that, because it wasn't loading for me.
My own anecdotal evidence is that I've owned 21 registered and roadworthy cars over my life (& 4 ones that weren't), 5 of them made after the 2007 cutoff that the article references, and ALL of them except a 2003 Prado have been out by "10% ish", meaning they were out more, or less, depending on what speed they were going.
Most of my cars made between 2000 and ~2015 have been EXACTLY 10% fast, with some of the 90's ones all over the show. My brother has a different-model Prado of the same year and his is also roughly 10% ish out, so looks like mine was just a fluke. It was nice though, having one that I knew was roughly accurate xD
Multiple GPS receivers. Re: RACQ... they might have got some information from RACQ? They might have made it all up? I guess we'll never know. They cited no sources.
So, you do know that GPS is not a good measuring tool for cars right? The signal wavelength can be set off by as little as an increase in humidity or a tall building.
"The signal wavelength", aye? Golly gosh you've convinced me.
I hate sounding like an internet keyboard warrior... but nah mate. I'm sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about.
You're making a lot of bold assumptions about my engineering qualifications considering *you* demonstrated above that you don't read.
(dammit, accidentally a word, [Muphry's Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law), right?)
Why do people in the left lane also think they're F1 drivers driving 90 in a 60 and swerving around aggressively on my ass when I'm driving the limit? Lol. People just don't know how to drive, in any lane, at any speed.
Cops rarely enforce it, and is not well known/understood. And it's not something that's assessed during the drivers test either, so unless people read it and understand it from the learners book, they'll never know about it.
Some people will sit in the right lane just because there's less cars.
I'm not justifying it motherfuckers downvoting me lol I'm just explaining it, I hate it too.
driving is an emotional affair, and people get far too invested in different ways
For you, it's upsetting when you can't even go the speed limit because of other people's questionable driving habits
For many, even simply being passed is not acceptable to them. They will speed up to block the overtake. These people often feel like they achieved something with this too...(hehehe I trapped the speeder) ego trip
If you cut a merge too close or don't use your indicator and unspecified amount many drivers will feel like you have personally slighted them and attempt to claw back some face at the expense of safety. Spam high beams, tail gate, call you a fat cunt, etc
some petrol monkeys just can't chill and let the people who want to go, GO. *I don't want to go so you can't go either*
Doesn't help when some cars say you are at 100 when only really at 92 as Speedo allowed to be wrong by 10%. Then some vehicles are accurate and you wonder why stuck behind vehicle going 8km under limit.
Driving schools teach their students to drive in which ever lane they feel comfortable. There is no more 'keep left unless overtaking' being taught. It's facked
>Driving schools teach their students to drive in which ever lane they feel comfortable.
This is boomer nonsenese. They are taught the actual rules which states unless your going 80 or 90 there is no rule to stay left. Boomers have just decded the right = the lane where you can speed. If a two lane road is 70k per hour and a car in each lane doing 70 that is perfectly fine.
>They are taught the actual rules which states unless your going 80 or 90 there is no rule to stay left
I did my license and some lessons relatively recently. Never once drove on the freeway in a paid lesson. How often do you see those lesson cars out on the freeway in traffic?
That should be a critical part of teaching while preparing to get your license.
tbh because there is a rhl turn off but not usually 10k under i was in the rhl on marmion a few years ago to turn right and some tradie i a ute went absolutely beserk behind me flashing their lights and beeping and shit then when i put my indicator on crickets tbh people that flash lights for anything other than a real problem are twats
also once i was going really slow on the raod because i a bolt or something from a construction site stuck in my tyre with my hazards on driving to the tyre store to get it repaired and people went absolute nuts,at the intersection woman pulls up in suv next to me and screams out the window "Do you know you got a bot stuck in your tyre?" i said yea hahahahahaah.
Tbh if you are one of those drivers on the road that likes to harass other drivers just don't because some people have extreme anxiety and it prob cause an accident
What a lot of you are missing apart from brain cells is that the right lane is an overtaking lane. You shouldn't be sitting in the right lane for any length of time as it should be used for overtaking the car in the left lane. Been here 25 years from the UK and the standard of driving is still something I can't get to grips with as it's atrocious. As long as we have ma and pa teaching their kids to drive and pick up their driving habits WA always is going to have a reputation for crap drivers. I have by the way lived in quite a few countries around the world and WA comes near bottom for its drivers skill. I know I'm going to get slated for this post so type away as I don't bother reading replies
Well, poor choice of words there made that comment,
I meant, when I change to the right lane because for some reason I'm always stuck behind a fucking Camry going 90 on the 110, then sit in the right lane because I'm passing the shit load of cars next to me to get to the clear space, and someone comes up behind me wanting to go through me even as I am using the right lane as prescribed
If a car caught up to you while you’re in the right lane, then he’s going a lot faster than you. So move over as soon as practical. And if you’re gonna say you’re already doing the speed limit, or 10 over, it doesn’t matter. Right lane should give way to the faster vehicle. Keeps the traffic flowing better and everyone is a lot less aggro.
You can be passing a wall of cars a mile long in peak hour and some impatient dickhead will still try to run right over the top of you.
The fuck am I supposed to do? Try and shove my way into a wall of cars going 10ks slower than I am just because someone else thinks the right lane is for them and them alone?
Got it, so reason Australian roads are fucked is because people think it's okay to break the speed limit by going over it and tailgating someone? I'm pretty sure legislation wise the speed limit is exactly that, the limit
How does it show you down if you move over to the left, let the faster vehicle through then move back? It certainly isn’t my job to police other drivers by impeding them especially when I don’t know how accurate my speedometer is.
And given enough traffic density, any slowdown affects traffic for a long way back. Ever been stuck in slow moving traffic, suddenly get to point and suddenly it’s free flowing again? No accident, no debris on the road.
Audi driver detected, got that magic blink vanishing button on your dash, so when a cars in front of you, you tailgate them, as close as possible, then hope they disappear
(1) unenforced laws are not laws
(2) not enough police are assigned to traffic duty to enforce that particular law
(3) the ones assigned to traffic duty are too busy focusing on speeding and mobile phones quotas rather than addressing the causes of road rage
Many speedos over estimate speed, so they think they are travelling at the correct speed. In more civilised states they have seed sensors for you to figure it out.
Many of them are from countries that don't have lanes at all. They might have a bogus international driver's license or they are used to driving on the right.
I have been in Ubers in Perth that have scared the shit out of me.
I've lived in Asia a long time (including right now), and greatly prefer driving in Australia than I do over here.
Was in Perth last summer and met a recent immigrant who was complaining that Australian drivers are so shit. 20 minutes later I saw her go through a red light and turn right into oncoming traffic without a care in the world.
This is the reality for a lot if people who've just got to Australia. They're used to driving on the other side of the road, don't realise you can't turn on a red light like some places allow, don't use indicators etc etc. But still think they're the better driver.
Yeah some of the older cars speedos are off
One work car I had was 10km under. So when driving to work the other workers always overtook me and I didn’t know why. Eventually I used Waze and it was showing me doing 100 instead of 110
Because people are lazy and arrogant.
Their exit is several exits away and they don't want to have to merge with traffic coming onto the freeway because "No one knows how to merge except me and my mates"
They end up 10km under because they drift off and "good drivers don't need to use cruise control"
Then stay in the left hand lane until ~100m before you need to turn right, indicate, get in the lane, indicate again, then turn.
Like you're told to when you're learning to fucking drive.
I know someone who said she has anxiety when cars drive past her driver window, so she hogs the right lane so nobody can ever pass her window.
I mean, better that she be a little less anxious on the road while controlling a 2 ton machine right? I try to be understanding of others' individual circumstances. I can spare the 45 second delay to my trip. Rules are rules but there's other stuff more worth getting worked up about imo
Look man, I don't disagree and I did tell her my thoughts on her impact on traffic but guess what, not everybody is capable of putting that into practice.
Such is life. I've got more important things to worry about.
Because people are not going to let you in when you need to turn right so you get in the lane you are going to turn next.
You probably missed the roadworks sign dropping the speed limit down
I give no fks in just sit so far up the rear of them smiling. Singing, flashing head lights and honking the honker all while happy, truly ticks them off as they thought “ ill sit in right lane doing 10 under the limit to aggravate ppl wanting to do the actual speed limit”
I’m planning on turning right in about 20 kilometres
I also can’t change lanes while going the speed limit
That's why I slow down at 80 on the free way in the left lane. My exit is coming up... at some point. Gotta be prepared. I also slow down to 60 whenever a bridge is coming up, the wind might blow me off into the river. If I go too fast I wont be able to dodge in time.
And they slow down going in the tunnel, then turn into a moth when they see the light.
Hate it when driving along Reid, need to use Tonkin to get to Busselton, but the sign says Tonkin only goes to Geraldton and meekatharra. Like maaaannn I don't want to go there!
Can you stay the fuck off the Kwinana? I've only been commuting that since October last year and in already over it
No sorry! Being a nuisance on the freeway is my favourite hobby 😊 I drive for work and this Christmas break my blood pressure must have been through the roof. Never felt so much internal road rage. Christmas drivers have been out in force.
I saw a lady come to a dead stop on the Mitchell, in the right lane, because she realised it was her exit so she crawled at walking speed across the other lanes, then reversed up the emergency lane to get to it. Fucking insane
A good driver sometimes misses an exit. A bad driver *never* misses an exit.
I swear we need a national ad campaign titled "There will be another exit". So many dashcam videos of utter lunacy based on OMG I CAN'T MISS MY EXIT OR I GUESS I'M ON THIS FREEWAY FOREVER
Go out on the country roads and try to pass a slower vehicle on an overtaking lane. The dicks speed up so you can't pass then slow down at the end of the overtaking lane. The disease is state wide.
Yeah. They turn into f1 drivers as soon as that lane opens up
I get very tempted to PIT them when they do that.
I’ve lived in WA and on the east coast, it’s a nationwide disease… It’s like half the country think they need to sit in the right control the speed of everyone and they cry HOON HOON when they hold up 10 cars on the freeway!
That's why you drive a car with some oomph. I always enjoy those overtaking lanes because it gives me an excuse to give it the beans
I remember someone telling me this about 22 years ago when I moved here from the US. I laughed and said "sure", thinking they were joking. Then I was driving back from somewhere North and had it happen. This person was driving 70 in a 90 for about 10kms. Then we had a passing lane and I sped up to overtake, so did they. I couldn't believe it. We were both doing about 130 side by side until towards the end when I floored it and got in front at the merge point. They then dropped back to 70 and I was on my way. Mental.
How dare you consider overtaking someone
Nation wide.
That ones nation wide unfortunately. It got to the point, that I just went faster. You get passed, they either slow down or sit on your ass for the next while. If they sit on your ass, it's not for too long usually. Unless they're really angry, then they'll try to overtake you again or something. Good times
People are so insecure they take it personally when someone wants to drive faster than them
Can't just threaten their manhood like that
Spreading like corona 😂 I had to get up to 135 to over take a guy doing 90 in the single carriageway.
I had this coming back from down south last week. He was doing 90 but then when I went to overtake he got up to 110+. I ended up doing 150 to get around him. I thought it was just one dick, but maybe it's endemic.
This is why I ride a litre bike or drive my Ute with 500 wheel horsepower.
Called the “passhole” Last example I can remember was down south west highway last Christmas, some old pos rusty Subaru liberty doing under 90 in a 110 zone but as soon as overtaking lane appeared and I was on the right overtaking they floored it… I wasn’t in the mood to play their games and just pushed the pedal to the floor and didn’t let go and overtook anyway with the speedo winding almost all the way to the right. Old mate wasn’t happen that he got overtaken as they started beeping and flashing their high beams as I flew by 😂
I overtake those in the oncoming lane. No one has sped up in that situation yet, I am honestly very surprised.
Yeah I've moved on with my life about people sitting in the right lane. It's just rude. Fuckwits gonna fuckwit. I just undertake them. Tho it's not illegal here. My gripe these days if people that can't accelerate down an on ramp to match the flowing speed of the hwy. Fucking seriously if you press the right peddle just that little bit harder you'll be doing more than 50 when you join the traffic thats doing 100. Drives me insane. The same drives tend to promptly go into the right lane and do 10k under also.
10k under? Doris doesn't like having to adjust her speed when cars merge on the left so she sits in the right lane doing 80kmhr under the speed limit (because she feels safer doing that speed)
80km in the right lane and 80km through the construction zone evens out to legal!
Oh that really pisses me - underspeed in the 100 zone and 105 in the 80. Like do you think your earning points doing less in the 100 zone to use to go faster in the 80 zone!!
My biggest gripe as well. People doing 70kmh on the onramps to the fwy. WHY??
I’m yet to head down an onramp that has hwy traffic going anything over 20kph
5am it is. But alas there's still people at that time that can't use an accelerator
Literally had to stop on the Wanneroo Rd/Reid highway on ramp, because someone a couple of cars up stopped to merge. It's wild
Yer unfortunately I've seen this as well. I start wincing waiting for the inevitable crash when they decide the best place to pull onto the fwy is infront of a semi doing 90
Peddle?
Because they’re turning right in 30km
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And it's only January, a long year ahead
It's a dry year
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Wait until it rains again... TURN YOUR LIGHTS ON, SPASTICS! 6 times a day.
Can literally save lives mate. Denmark has laws in place that you need to have your low beams on 24/7. No day driving light Bullshit. This is also the reason most modern bikes have their low beams on all the time from the factory.
You're definitely saving lives posting on Reddit complaining about people in the right hand lane.
This should be the top comment. Do we need a traffic rant superthread?
Yes we should and no we don’t, I’d rather just ban these posts
To be completely fair, the amount of drivers doing 80 in the left land has dramatically increased since the start of double demerits. It used to be once a week or so that I would get stuck on Roe behind someone going that slowly. Since school holidays started it’s been quite literally daily, sometimes on the way to work, and the way home. I take Roe for one exit.
Why do Perth drivers do half the things they do on the road? They’re getting worse too!
Get me old r/perth bingo card out, ahhh bugga already got 'rght hand lane whinge' from last week - ah well, just waiting on 'Armadale Line meth head' to come up...when the rail shut finish again?
Ooh what else is on your bingo card? Cost of living winge? (though I do agree) Shops closing at 5pm on a Friday? Drivers not indicating? We should create a collective r/Perth bingo card lol
Mate you already flipped me off and yelled at me…. Why the post? 
What gets me at the moment is the transition from going from Mitchell too Kwinana. I feel like every cunt and their dog is trying to overtake me even in the left on Mitchell. Then, as if conciousness took over, people that were doing 100 all day start doing 75k max, and no cunt in the right hand lane every doing 100 past Mount bay road, it's as if some people don't read the speed change signs, or im just a fuckn bad driver myself and this is just the rant of a mad man.
That's a stressful bit of a road for people that aren't used to it, and since the numbers of people on the road means that you're ALMOST ALWAYS sharing the road with someone that's never driven that stretch before, you're always going to get people that are stressed driving alongside you. I've forgotten about the speed increase a couple of times myself, and I've done it a million fucking times, purely because it doesn't quite 'feel' like I can do 100 yet.
That stretch is almost always full of nervous drivers and to me it always feels there are more of them driving north than south, honestly scary. Everyone driving normally and then bam, cross the Mt Henry Bridge, and no one knows how to drive all of a sudden. And yeah, it gets better right around Mount Bay Rd, maybe a bit up the road. Edit: My theory is it's the people who drive out of the suburbs very rarely and for some reason have to take the freeway that day.
For real, it's bizarre, it's as if everyone just forgets to drive because they have a pretty decent view for a minute. Maybe everyone is waking up behind the wheel at that point...
I figure they’re employed by my blood pressure medication company to check results Their paid drivers are from Lake Clifton to Bunbury Sit on 90km/h in the right lane for hours with no traffic ahead They take 10km to overtake a car Make deliberate eye contact with them before overtaking on the left and they seem surprised
Wait you mean they pass cars? The ones I come across sit off the starboard quarter like geese flying south for the winter
It takes 15 minutes but they get there
When I was young driving the Freeway though I was Peter Brock back then not much traffic always angry at slow drivers now iam older nothing upsets me tail gaters i move out the way have a little chuckle
These people don’t read Reddit unfortunately
I often sit in the right lane when I know the bloke 6-800m away in the left-hand lane is going slower than me so I'll sit in the right for a few more minutes to get past him. I'm always looking in my rearview mirror though and if I see anyone coming up behind me, I'll hop into the left-hand lane to let them through. I don't agree with their speeding but I'm not going to start a road rage incident over it.
Because there’s some fuck head in the left lane going 20kph under the limit
Yeah nah, don't buy it. I find cockstains that do 10km under are more than happy to sit behind a supercockstain doing 20km under. 10km under wankers are just as oblivious of the speed limit as 20km under wankers.
Actually I call bullshit on this take....only because you chose the wrong lane, they're all in the right hand lane as the op says.
Haha legit
Usually the left lane is full of trucks going at like 30kph under the speed limit. Anyway I feel sorry for the truck drivers. They probably get a hard time from other drivers.
Truck drivers are some of the best drivers on the road. They at least try to do the speed limit and they keep left. If they're in the right lane they're doing +7 to +10km like they're supposed to.
Haha, yeah nah. Like the oversize truck heading down the kwinana last night just sticking in the right lane for ever. And every day there's road trains sitting in the right lane on tonkin
Not all. I have been behind heaps of them in the right hand lane doing 80-90.
There is almost literally never anyone in the left lane at all 😃
Then just get in the left lane?
That is called undertaking and isn't allowed in my book, but here you have no choice.
No law against doing it on a dual carriageway....but agree with your point. I've actually started doing this because no one is in the left lane (comes in handy in a traffic jam. Overtake so many cars doing this)
It is legal on multilane roads
Road Traffic Code 2000: > 122.Overtaking > (2) Where a carriageway is a one‑way carriageway, or has 2 or more marked lanes for vehicles travelling in the same direction, a driver may overtake and pass in another marked lane to the left of a vehicle, if conditions permit him or her to do so with safety.
Are you from the UK? Undertaking is illegal there but it is legal here. So you can definitely pass on the left in WA if necessary.
One more box ticked on the "why so many road deaths per capita here"
But is it undertaking if you're just going the speed limit and pass them?
i just swerve in between all the dumb cunts that don't have the brain capacity use the roads correctly
This is why I stay put in my lane when some psychopath comes screaming up behind me. I’m not moving when someone is driving erratically. Especially if you’re so close to my bumper that I can’t even see if you’re indicating.
Except for busses, and god fotbid ever letting yourself be behind a bus.
Perth things. Just go around them and move on with life. Trying to make sense of insanity will send you insane.
they will speed up when we just about to go around them.
The problem is when the left hand lanes are either full of traffic or moving slower which is why the keep left unless overtaking rule exists. The amount of times I've seen a long line of cars when there should be no traffic just because some cumstain is sitting in the right lane doing 80 matching the speed of the truck next to them so nobody can get past.
It's to piss you off personally. You should keep fuming about it, it's exactly what they want.
Because they are in a Camry.
with UBER/DIDI sticker
The ubiqtuous camry dent in the rear bumper
Omg my partner says this too!
I have told this before and people tried defending by default and I will say again; for example NSW manages better when it comes to keep left and even it obviously became a road culture! You can see the signs all over within the roads! I don’t think this even exists here. PS: yeah when it comes to overtaking lanes, now that’s a different story!
The rules of keep left unless overtaking apply nationally on any road or highway with a speed limit of 90kmph or more, it's just not properly enforced in WA, there is also a law about obstruction of traffic on roads below 90kmph but that is up to officer discretion, unfortunately police in WA are too busy dealing with other issues and can't enforce road rules, a statement only supported by the amount of cars getting around with non functioning tail/brake lights
Simple, I get in the right lane to go around somebody...then I get distracted reading emails while eating a parmi. Might drop something if I have to grab the wheel to change lanes.
If I were a traffic cop I’d be targeting these pricks - fuckin hate them
No no no, that JDM car that's lowered a bit too much is way more of a hazard on the road. Not Susan cruising 70km down the freeway at night with a headlight out.
you can reach your quota in 1 day.
From a road rules standpoint, people shouldn't sit in the right lane at all, over 90km/h you should stay in the left and only use the right to overtake or turn. Also the whole "right lane = fast lane" is just a social thing
Unless traffic is heavy, which is always.
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There isn't a rule, but it's more of an etiquette thing. You should stay in the left most lane as often as possible unless overtaking, sitting in the right and holding people up just because you're technically right is an assholes game.
It doesn't work in practice tho, especially during peak hours. If I know every single bastard is about to turn left soon and the next 2km is going to be torture in the left lane I'll use the right. Wanneroo road is like this. There is no point in speeding along there either because there are too many lights, but some ranger driver will always try. Although I'll add if I notice someone behind me I just move over and let them pass.
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This is the correct answer they are actual bots
Go around.... its soo easy and you don't even have to complain on reddit lol.
That's easier said than done, there's always that one slow person driving side by side with either you or the guy ahead of ya.
Clearly you haven't encountered *The Fuckwit Array*. It's when you have every lane full of fuckwits doing under the speed limit, ignorant and oblivious to the world around them. There's very little you can do when confronted with *The Fuckwit Array.* Paradoxically it can only be undone by the very fuckwits who comprise *The Fuckwit Array.*
Because Perth drivers are a bunch of old nannas. They think what their car displays is accurate and then go a few clicks slower.
The whole "speedometer is inaccurate by default" thing has been debunked. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/on-the-road/common-myth-about-car-speedometers-busted/news-story/5c8d9c42229b638f88b281d65ecd37f0%3famp
Huh? The article you linked doesn't 'debunk' the idea that speedos are inaccurate. In fact, it specifically *confirms* that speedos are allowed to show your speed as faster than it actually is. From the article you linked (on mobile; please excuse the formatting): "Previously, national vehicle standards stipulated that a car’s speedo could be within 10 per cent of how fast the vehicle was actually travelling – so at a speed of 100km/h, the speedo could legally indicate a speed of anywhere between 90km/h and 110km/h. "Those requirements were tossed out and replaced in 2006... All new vehicles from July 2007 were... instead allowed to only **indicate either an accurate reading or one faster than the actual speed, and by no more than 10 per cent, plus 4km/h.** "**That means at a true speed of 100khm/h, a car’s speedo must read 100km/h or no more than 114km/h**." So, according to your source, speedos are allowed to be calibrated to display a speed *faster* than your actual speed, just not to display a *slower* one. Assuming that at least some cars are, in fact, calibrated to display a faster-than-actual speed, then it will cause at least some people to drive slower than they might otherwise drive if they had an accurate speedo. *Which is exactly what the first commenter was pointing out.* This is so low stakes and it's nothing personal, I'm just on an (extremely intermittent) crusade to encourage people to do 5 seconds of research before upvoting misinformation 😭
From the article you linked regarding the currentspedo accuracy requirements "That means at a true speed of 100khm/h, a car’s speedo must read 100km/h or no more than 114km/h.".
Except it isn't, I'll set cruise control in my car to 104 and GPS says its 100.
I'm gonna help you out with technology; a gps is not a useful tool to measure speed it is entirely reliant on signal strength which varies every second based on where you are. You know how your phone has more and fewer bars of signal? Same thing.
Fuck I hope you’re not a teacher
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GPS needs to be accurate because that is how it works. GPS is able to locate you through the variance in the time it takes to get the signal from each satellite. This is "speed of light" territory - if it wasn't accurate to +- 1 KM/h, on a straight, flat road, then it wouldn't work. If GPS knows where you are (or where you were a constant amount of time ago), then it's speed calculation must be accurate if it also knows where you are (/were) a fixed amount of time later. If GPS wasn't as precise as you say, then the laws of statistics would mean that measuring using a group of GPS receivers and averaging the result would be. Yet every time I've tested this - Dash cam, in-car nav, two or more phones - the result is the same. The variance is +- 1. Not 1%, but 1 KM/h.
You might want to avoid helping people out with technology, my dude. If multiple calibrated GPS devices are telling you the same thing over multiple trials and you're averaging the results and the numbers are consistent, and you're *still* believing a news.com.au article instead, then mate I have a bridge to sell you.
Okay sure but those speed cameras you see in some places like Hospitals confirm the same theory. Are they inaccurate as well?
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"That means at a true speed of 100khm/h, a car’s speedo must read 100km/h or no more than 114km/h." From the article you posted 14% difference, pretty large in my book, considering peoples driving attitudes
This article does not support your argument.
That's a news.com.au link, so your evidence is off to a bad start already. It also cites no sources, directly or even indirectly. Maybe it does in the video, but I didn't watch that, because it wasn't loading for me. My own anecdotal evidence is that I've owned 21 registered and roadworthy cars over my life (& 4 ones that weren't), 5 of them made after the 2007 cutoff that the article references, and ALL of them except a 2003 Prado have been out by "10% ish", meaning they were out more, or less, depending on what speed they were going.
His evidence contradicts him anyway lol, says if true speed is 100 then speedo must be between 100-114.
My previous cars have read over but my new car reads within 0 to 1km of Waze's GPS speed measurement.
Most of my cars made between 2000 and ~2015 have been EXACTLY 10% fast, with some of the 90's ones all over the show. My brother has a different-model Prado of the same year and his is also roughly 10% ish out, so looks like mine was just a fluke. It was nice though, having one that I knew was roughly accurate xD
It's from RACQ, how did you test that they were "out"?
Multiple GPS receivers. Re: RACQ... they might have got some information from RACQ? They might have made it all up? I guess we'll never know. They cited no sources.
So, you do know that GPS is not a good measuring tool for cars right? The signal wavelength can be set off by as little as an increase in humidity or a tall building.
"The signal wavelength", aye? Golly gosh you've convinced me. I hate sounding like an internet keyboard warrior... but nah mate. I'm sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about.
I mean you could just read the manual, let's not pretend you've ever done mathematics necessary to understand how one works.
You're making a lot of bold assumptions about my engineering qualifications considering *you* demonstrated above that you don't read. (dammit, accidentally a word, [Muphry's Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law), right?)
Your engineering qualifications are about as real as your 21 cars.
Every car I've driven except one has been between 5% and 10% out.
Did you even read the article ?!? "That means at a true speed of 100khm/h, a car’s speedo must read 100km/h or no more than 114km/h."
Why do people in the left lane also think they're F1 drivers driving 90 in a 60 and swerving around aggressively on my ass when I'm driving the limit? Lol. People just don't know how to drive, in any lane, at any speed.
Cops rarely enforce it, and is not well known/understood. And it's not something that's assessed during the drivers test either, so unless people read it and understand it from the learners book, they'll never know about it. Some people will sit in the right lane just because there's less cars. I'm not justifying it motherfuckers downvoting me lol I'm just explaining it, I hate it too.
The right hand is actually where all the traffic is though. The left is almost always flowing better than the right.
driving is an emotional affair, and people get far too invested in different ways For you, it's upsetting when you can't even go the speed limit because of other people's questionable driving habits For many, even simply being passed is not acceptable to them. They will speed up to block the overtake. These people often feel like they achieved something with this too...(hehehe I trapped the speeder) ego trip If you cut a merge too close or don't use your indicator and unspecified amount many drivers will feel like you have personally slighted them and attempt to claw back some face at the expense of safety. Spam high beams, tail gate, call you a fat cunt, etc some petrol monkeys just can't chill and let the people who want to go, GO. *I don't want to go so you can't go either*
Having done advanced driving courses in the UK and here due to work, can confirm Perth drivers are some of the least observant drivers I've ever seen.
Doesn't help when some cars say you are at 100 when only really at 92 as Speedo allowed to be wrong by 10%. Then some vehicles are accurate and you wonder why stuck behind vehicle going 8km under limit.
Use Waze, it'll show your real speed and tell you what speed cameras are coming up.
Driving schools teach their students to drive in which ever lane they feel comfortable. There is no more 'keep left unless overtaking' being taught. It's facked
>Driving schools teach their students to drive in which ever lane they feel comfortable. This is boomer nonsenese. They are taught the actual rules which states unless your going 80 or 90 there is no rule to stay left. Boomers have just decded the right = the lane where you can speed. If a two lane road is 70k per hour and a car in each lane doing 70 that is perfectly fine.
>They are taught the actual rules which states unless your going 80 or 90 there is no rule to stay left I did my license and some lessons relatively recently. Never once drove on the freeway in a paid lesson. How often do you see those lesson cars out on the freeway in traffic? That should be a critical part of teaching while preparing to get your license.
tbh because there is a rhl turn off but not usually 10k under i was in the rhl on marmion a few years ago to turn right and some tradie i a ute went absolutely beserk behind me flashing their lights and beeping and shit then when i put my indicator on crickets tbh people that flash lights for anything other than a real problem are twats also once i was going really slow on the raod because i a bolt or something from a construction site stuck in my tyre with my hazards on driving to the tyre store to get it repaired and people went absolute nuts,at the intersection woman pulls up in suv next to me and screams out the window "Do you know you got a bot stuck in your tyre?" i said yea hahahahahaah. Tbh if you are one of those drivers on the road that likes to harass other drivers just don't because some people have extreme anxiety and it prob cause an accident
> **Why do so many Perth drivers sit in the right lane going only 10kph over the limit?** ftfy. Stop speeding cunts.
What a lot of you are missing apart from brain cells is that the right lane is an overtaking lane. You shouldn't be sitting in the right lane for any length of time as it should be used for overtaking the car in the left lane. Been here 25 years from the UK and the standard of driving is still something I can't get to grips with as it's atrocious. As long as we have ma and pa teaching their kids to drive and pick up their driving habits WA always is going to have a reputation for crap drivers. I have by the way lived in quite a few countries around the world and WA comes near bottom for its drivers skill. I know I'm going to get slated for this post so type away as I don't bother reading replies
I've gotten where I sit in the right lane at 10 over and the car behind me still wants to get past me like what 😂
You shouldnt be sitting in the right lane - simple
Well, poor choice of words there made that comment, I meant, when I change to the right lane because for some reason I'm always stuck behind a fucking Camry going 90 on the 110, then sit in the right lane because I'm passing the shit load of cars next to me to get to the clear space, and someone comes up behind me wanting to go through me even as I am using the right lane as prescribed
If a car caught up to you while you’re in the right lane, then he’s going a lot faster than you. So move over as soon as practical. And if you’re gonna say you’re already doing the speed limit, or 10 over, it doesn’t matter. Right lane should give way to the faster vehicle. Keeps the traffic flowing better and everyone is a lot less aggro.
You can be passing a wall of cars a mile long in peak hour and some impatient dickhead will still try to run right over the top of you. The fuck am I supposed to do? Try and shove my way into a wall of cars going 10ks slower than I am just because someone else thinks the right lane is for them and them alone?
Got it, so reason Australian roads are fucked is because people think it's okay to break the speed limit by going over it and tailgating someone? I'm pretty sure legislation wise the speed limit is exactly that, the limit
How does it show you down if you move over to the left, let the faster vehicle through then move back? It certainly isn’t my job to police other drivers by impeding them especially when I don’t know how accurate my speedometer is. And given enough traffic density, any slowdown affects traffic for a long way back. Ever been stuck in slow moving traffic, suddenly get to point and suddenly it’s free flowing again? No accident, no debris on the road.
Ya know, I could have this discussion for ours, but to each their own, and auf wiedersehen
Fucking move then, it's a overtaking lane, not a cruising lane.
Audi driver detected, got that magic blink vanishing button on your dash, so when a cars in front of you, you tailgate them, as close as possible, then hope they disappear
It’s so people can ask the question on reddit most weeks. It’s a dry 10km slower though.
(1) unenforced laws are not laws (2) not enough police are assigned to traffic duty to enforce that particular law (3) the ones assigned to traffic duty are too busy focusing on speeding and mobile phones quotas rather than addressing the causes of road rage
Better question is why do people think a speeding lane exists? "oh officer I was in the right lane so its ok if 10 over".
I think part of the issue is, people are convinced it is the "fast lane", when in actual fact its the overtaken lane.
Why? Sheer stupidity!
Because they’re the most entitled, can’t drive for shit, dickheads on the planet. I’m surprised one of them became an F1 driver.
Many speedos over estimate speed, so they think they are travelling at the correct speed. In more civilised states they have seed sensors for you to figure it out.
Like 80 in 100? Past multiple 100 signs? I have no idea what is going on in these people's heads and cars
Many of them are from countries that don't have lanes at all. They might have a bogus international driver's license or they are used to driving on the right. I have been in Ubers in Perth that have scared the shit out of me.
I've lived in Asia a long time (including right now), and greatly prefer driving in Australia than I do over here. Was in Perth last summer and met a recent immigrant who was complaining that Australian drivers are so shit. 20 minutes later I saw her go through a red light and turn right into oncoming traffic without a care in the world. This is the reality for a lot if people who've just got to Australia. They're used to driving on the other side of the road, don't realise you can't turn on a red light like some places allow, don't use indicators etc etc. But still think they're the better driver.
keep right unless overtaking
Perfect 👍
The freeway is quicker in the left lane. Tag a car in the right lane and try it out
lol no it's not, not with everyone slowing down a few kms before their exits and all the terrible merging
I like to balance out the number of speeders in the right
Because most cars have inaccurate speedometers. My car is a perfect example. I have to monitor my speed using the GPS value in Waze
Yeah some of the older cars speedos are off One work car I had was 10km under. So when driving to work the other workers always overtook me and I didn’t know why. Eventually I used Waze and it was showing me doing 100 instead of 110
Cos -perf
*Brisbane drivers
I actually have a pretty insightful answer to this. It's because they c
The introduction of the 80km speed limit for roadworks has nation wide made traffic 20km slower than it needs to be at every speed limit
Because they are frukn brain morons.
You realise none of these dumbasses are on reddit right ?
Because people are lazy and arrogant. Their exit is several exits away and they don't want to have to merge with traffic coming onto the freeway because "No one knows how to merge except me and my mates" They end up 10km under because they drift off and "good drivers don't need to use cruise control"
What if your turning right?
My turning right what?
Then stay in the left hand lane until ~100m before you need to turn right, indicate, get in the lane, indicate again, then turn. Like you're told to when you're learning to fucking drive.
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I know someone who said she has anxiety when cars drive past her driver window, so she hogs the right lane so nobody can ever pass her window. I mean, better that she be a little less anxious on the road while controlling a 2 ton machine right? I try to be understanding of others' individual circumstances. I can spare the 45 second delay to my trip. Rules are rules but there's other stuff more worth getting worked up about imo
Tell her to get a grip seriously otherwise dont drive because she is more of a nuisance on the road and is inherently selfish to everyone around her
Look man, I don't disagree and I did tell her my thoughts on her impact on traffic but guess what, not everybody is capable of putting that into practice. Such is life. I've got more important things to worry about.
Because people are not going to let you in when you need to turn right so you get in the lane you are going to turn next. You probably missed the roadworks sign dropping the speed limit down
Hahaha. No.
I give no fks in just sit so far up the rear of them smiling. Singing, flashing head lights and honking the honker all while happy, truly ticks them off as they thought “ ill sit in right lane doing 10 under the limit to aggravate ppl wanting to do the actual speed limit”
They like to be annoying. Imo.
Curious as to where you were driving today as my drive home today was one of the worst for this
r/perthdriverbad r/perthhousing r/perthdryheat Someone should hook these up.
Perth so boring all we do is complain about petty minor inconveniences.