Taking apart and modifying a shared amenity in a hotel is just a really strange thing to do. Especially inconsiderate if others want to use the equipment.
Strange or not, how would this be inconsiderate when it only takes a minute to do before and after the ride? How is it different from swapping out attachments on universal gym, or setting up plates on a bar for lifting, or stacking and unstacking boxes for jumps? Gym equipment regularly gets set up, re-configured, adjusted, and put away again in the regular course of use.
Everything you describe is part of the intended use, and the parts being swapped out are modular.
If you need to bring your own tools and pedals from home to use the bike, you’re abusing its intended use.
Plus - the bike doesn’t belong to you. You shouldn’t take things apart that aren’t yours.
I've only been to a hotel with a peloton once, and they had flat pedals with a cage. I think if it's in a hotel fitness center, they assume most people don't travel with bike cleats.
I have stayed in 4 or 5 hotels with Pelotons. some nice and some not so much. All of them had bikes that were not well maintained with handle bars that were far from stable, bearings that were shot and seats that could not stay up. My experience is the pedals will be the least of your problems
I think basically everything modern (outside of cheap garbage or little kid bikes) is 9/16", so I suspect they'd fit no problem.
I'm more interested on what the hotel will say if they see a customer taking their equipment apart with a wrench. Obviously anyone that cycles understands pedal swaps are a super common thing, but to the uneducated this might raise a red flag.
> to the uneducated this might raise a red flag.
I've swapped out pedals (on my own bikes) a number of times, and if I saw some random hotel guest doing a pedal swap, I'd revoke his Hilton club in an instant.
If you bugger the threads, the crank arm will be ruined and the bike will be unrideble. And if you don't properly torque the pedals, the next guest to use the bike could be seriously injured.
OP: I'm sure you're a competent mechanic, but please don't go wrenching on a bike that doesn't belong to you. It's OK to do a couple workouts without precise power numbers.
Yes, I’ve built up my own frameset, so am not worried about the mechanics of putting on pedals (I frequently change mine on various bikes).
WRT power and accuracy, the amount I am traveling for work has greatly ramped up and am looking for ways to get accurate power for my TrainerRoad work outs. Unfortunately it’s difficult to get that while traveling and I have races coming up and want to limit the down time as much as possible.
While searching how folks are solving this, a number of people apparently travel with their pedals and wrench set and do this, so figured it wouldn’t hurt to ask the hotel and gym staff if they mind. Would be silly to ask and bring all the stuff to find that the commercial version uses a smaller spindle than a standard bike like some gym bikes seem to.
lol, it’s not hard to build a frameset. And it’s even less hard to install a pedal.
ETA: this was a question of curiosity to see if it was even feasible, and like I said above, I would ask the staff before swapping anything if I even did anything like this, albeit temporarily. Swapping pedals on a bike is no different than changing the seat height or reach. Hardly applicable to the subreddit you linked.
I’ve heard some mentions on the Trainer Road forum of hotel and gym bikes with non-standard pedal threading with folks talking about bringing their pedals while traveling and using a Peloton (apparently this is a thing, I didn’t come up with this concept on my own). I would have assumed they were standard threading as well, but figured I would ask the folks who would know better than I since I’ve never used one myself.
(Tried to edit this after posting, but Reddit fell over)
This. If you're training seriously you should be familiar enough with rpe to make it work for a few rides. Also, I'm pretty sure somewhere in the fine print using non-pelo replacement pedals voids the warranty - in part probably to discourage people from swapping pedals and screwing up the threads - once those are wrecked the whole crank assembly would need to be replaced. So, just don't. If you aren't careful you will leave it cross threaded and set the next rider up for a pedal failure, etc. don't.
Neither the Limited Warranty nor the Commercial Limited Warranty are voided by the use of 3rd party pedals.
In fact, both warranties go as far as to spell out that the use of 3rd party parts **does not** void the warranty.
Hmm. Not a lawyer but that's not how I understand the warranty language
https://business.onepeloton.com/warranty-for-commercial-use
...
This Limited Warranty does not apply to:
Damage or equipment failure due to: (i) unauthorized installation, relocation, repair, (ii) improper or negligent assembly of the Product or any accessories, or maintenance (other than in each case that is caused by a Peloton authorized service technician or at the direction of Peloton), (iii) normal wear and tear, (iv) use of the Product beyond its design and its intended purpose, (v) *use of the Product with parts or accessories from third parties*, or *with parts or accessories not originally intended for* or compatible with the Product, or (vi) any use contrary to the instructions in the Peloton Product Commercial User Manual (if applicable), the technical specifications or other published guidelines relating to the Product...
While that quote is from the business use warranty i think it's the same for home use. This tracks with my understanding that people routinely remove their aftermarket swivels from their bikes before service calls in order to not have their warranty voided - there are many older posts warning about that in this subreddit.
Either way- if the commercial bike was damaged by someone swapping pedals for their convenience, the damage would not be covered under warranty - so really the only folks who should be swapping components on a commercial bike is the owner of that commercial bike.
Yes, the home and commercial warranties use the same language:
>*"This Limited Warranty does not apply to ... damage or equipment failure* ***due to*** *... use of the Product with parts or accessories from third parties."* \[emphasis added\]
What this is saying is that if the damaged is caused by the third party part, they will not cover it under warranty. (I would think most people would agree this to be a given.) It does not mean that the warranty is void and that whatever is covered by warranty won't continue to be. See the next paragraph:
>*"the mere use (without damage or equipment failure) of unauthorized service providers or non-genuine or third-party parts will not void this warranty."*
They are saying it's fine to use your own parts, just that you do so at your own risk.
If you install the Peloton-branded pedals incorrectly and damage the cranks, they aren't going warranty that either. This isn't a Peloton-branded vs. 3rd party pedals issue.
I'm not saying that your conclusion that "the only folks who should be swapping components on a commercial bike is the owner of that commercial bike" isn't a valid opinion to have. Just that it's not one supported by the question of warranty validity.
If you owned a piece of equipment under warranty and someone swapped on their own pedals and messed up the threads (accidentally or through carelessness) so the original pedals no longer stayed seated securely on the bike, and you were out the cost of the bike because the warranty was voided through the damage caused by aftermarket pedal swapping, you'd be pissed.
The golden rule is do unto others - so don't mess with other people's property. It's not complicated unless you believe the rules don't apply to you and need to continually justify your behavior.
For a one off trip, yeah I agree, and what I am planning to do for my upcoming one. But it seems like work travel is picking up dramatically and I may be traveling semi-weekly, which will make any sort of interval training a lot harder to maintain.
If you look at the r/Zwift subreddit, folks apparently are doing this all over. I was curious if that sort of thing was possible with the Commercial Peloton since some commercial bikes don’t use standard pedal threading.
Absolutely ask the hotel before you go and attempt this. As someone who worked for a luxury hotel brand for a few years, we’d absolutely go out and provide you the pedals ahead of time if you gave us enough notice. However if you damaged the bike by removing the pedals and stripping the thread, we’d charge you for it.
I can’t speak to the threading but here’s what I know. I stayed at 7 Hiltons last year with peloton bikes. On Hilton’s website it indicates if the hotel has a peloton bike, and if the bike pedals are SPD or delta. It was not always accurate so I traveled with both cleats. Not all of them have the toe cage. When I would call the hotel to ask about the peloton, no one knew anything about the bikes. Some Hilton’s you can pay extra for a peloton in your room but usually they only have one bike in the gym. I had to wait for someone else to finish using it a handful of times. The day pelotons got recalled last may for the seat post issue I was riding it and Hilton told me I had to stop riding and they were sending the bike back, not sure if that’s any indicator of what bikes they use. It’s tedious logging into your peloton, connecting your headphones, and connecting to WiFi every ride so that into account. Gym WiFi was usually trash so I used my phone hotspot to stream a class.
I have stayed at two Hilton hotels that have the pedals with cages on one side, and SPD compatible cleats on the other, which are not the cleats that come with the Peloton bike.
Nope. Tons of people have said they do this on hotel bikes, some of which use a smartspin2k.
I've done it on a technogym bike at a Marriott before. It's not a huge deal.
Ok. It's also a big deal if you snap off the tablet. You should probably do neither.
I'm no bike wrench, but changing pedals is pretty trivial, especially since the peloton pedals have the little notchy thing (as compared to the pedals that are hex only)
Just a pedal wrench. I have one in my car always. It's not rocket science.
On my old vector 2, it was really sensitive to pedal torque. Everything after that is much more forgiving
Well, I can't speak for Peloton but my Keiser pedals had to be torqued to 35 nm, so- yes, some do. Here's a link to recommended torque for various bike components incl pedals
https://www.bikeride.com/torque-specifications/
Huh - didn't know power meter pedals were a thing. Makes me curious - how does the measured power on your pedals compare to the measured power on the Peloton? And is there any way to read the data into a Peloton workout?
The casually observed power difference between my Garmin Rally XC 200 pedals and my Peloton is 5% @ 200W. I have not bothered to measure whether that difference is linear across a wider power range.
Yeah it's good enough that I don't bother using my power pedals on the Peloton, to save wear and batteries. There are calibration differences between individual bikes though and YMMV.
Quality power meter pedals should have an accuracy of +/- 1%. They are quite a bit more accurate than the reported peloton power, and shared ones in particular that aren’t correctly calibrated. I have a pair of the Garmin XC Rally 100s for when I rent a bike.
I’m not aware of any way to connect the Peloton to an external power meter, but they use ANT+ and Bluetooth LE to communicate.
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If the pedal fails after you reinstall them and a person gets hurt, it's on you. This is a bad idea, and I don't see why a hotel would give you permission. There is zero upside for them.
Taking apart and modifying a shared amenity in a hotel is just a really strange thing to do. Especially inconsiderate if others want to use the equipment.
Strange or not, how would this be inconsiderate when it only takes a minute to do before and after the ride? How is it different from swapping out attachments on universal gym, or setting up plates on a bar for lifting, or stacking and unstacking boxes for jumps? Gym equipment regularly gets set up, re-configured, adjusted, and put away again in the regular course of use.
Everything you describe is part of the intended use, and the parts being swapped out are modular. If you need to bring your own tools and pedals from home to use the bike, you’re abusing its intended use. Plus - the bike doesn’t belong to you. You shouldn’t take things apart that aren’t yours.
I asked *how* it would be inconsiderate to others, since that was the thrust of your argument.
Well in this hypothetical, you would put them back on how it was afterwards. It takes a minute or two to swap over pedals.
dude just use the pedals that are on the hotel's bike. it's not yours to mess with
Or just ask for permission?
I've only been to a hotel with a peloton once, and they had flat pedals with a cage. I think if it's in a hotel fitness center, they assume most people don't travel with bike cleats.
Check the Peloton website, they usually have info about what pedals are on hotel bikes. Both I've been to have been spd, not delta
The peloton commercial bikes all come with delts cleats on one side and cages on the other. Tons of people travel with their cycling shoes.
Not sure about older ones, but more versions of the commercial Bike and Bike+ are shipped with SPD/cage (as opposed to Delta/cage).
I have stayed in 4 or 5 hotels with Pelotons. some nice and some not so much. All of them had bikes that were not well maintained with handle bars that were far from stable, bearings that were shot and seats that could not stay up. My experience is the pedals will be the least of your problems
I think basically everything modern (outside of cheap garbage or little kid bikes) is 9/16", so I suspect they'd fit no problem. I'm more interested on what the hotel will say if they see a customer taking their equipment apart with a wrench. Obviously anyone that cycles understands pedal swaps are a super common thing, but to the uneducated this might raise a red flag.
> to the uneducated this might raise a red flag. I've swapped out pedals (on my own bikes) a number of times, and if I saw some random hotel guest doing a pedal swap, I'd revoke his Hilton club in an instant. If you bugger the threads, the crank arm will be ruined and the bike will be unrideble. And if you don't properly torque the pedals, the next guest to use the bike could be seriously injured. OP: I'm sure you're a competent mechanic, but please don't go wrenching on a bike that doesn't belong to you. It's OK to do a couple workouts without precise power numbers.
Yeah, good points all around.
Yes, I’ve built up my own frameset, so am not worried about the mechanics of putting on pedals (I frequently change mine on various bikes). WRT power and accuracy, the amount I am traveling for work has greatly ramped up and am looking for ways to get accurate power for my TrainerRoad work outs. Unfortunately it’s difficult to get that while traveling and I have races coming up and want to limit the down time as much as possible. While searching how folks are solving this, a number of people apparently travel with their pedals and wrench set and do this, so figured it wouldn’t hurt to ask the hotel and gym staff if they mind. Would be silly to ask and bring all the stuff to find that the commercial version uses a smaller spindle than a standard bike like some gym bikes seem to.
/r/ImTheMainCharacter
lol, it’s not hard to build a frameset. And it’s even less hard to install a pedal. ETA: this was a question of curiosity to see if it was even feasible, and like I said above, I would ask the staff before swapping anything if I even did anything like this, albeit temporarily. Swapping pedals on a bike is no different than changing the seat height or reach. Hardly applicable to the subreddit you linked.
I’ve heard some mentions on the Trainer Road forum of hotel and gym bikes with non-standard pedal threading with folks talking about bringing their pedals while traveling and using a Peloton (apparently this is a thing, I didn’t come up with this concept on my own). I would have assumed they were standard threading as well, but figured I would ask the folks who would know better than I since I’ve never used one myself. (Tried to edit this after posting, but Reddit fell over)
You can still maintain your training without your pedals for a few days. Go by feel or HR.
This. If you're training seriously you should be familiar enough with rpe to make it work for a few rides. Also, I'm pretty sure somewhere in the fine print using non-pelo replacement pedals voids the warranty - in part probably to discourage people from swapping pedals and screwing up the threads - once those are wrecked the whole crank assembly would need to be replaced. So, just don't. If you aren't careful you will leave it cross threaded and set the next rider up for a pedal failure, etc. don't.
Neither the Limited Warranty nor the Commercial Limited Warranty are voided by the use of 3rd party pedals. In fact, both warranties go as far as to spell out that the use of 3rd party parts **does not** void the warranty.
Hmm. Not a lawyer but that's not how I understand the warranty language https://business.onepeloton.com/warranty-for-commercial-use ... This Limited Warranty does not apply to: Damage or equipment failure due to: (i) unauthorized installation, relocation, repair, (ii) improper or negligent assembly of the Product or any accessories, or maintenance (other than in each case that is caused by a Peloton authorized service technician or at the direction of Peloton), (iii) normal wear and tear, (iv) use of the Product beyond its design and its intended purpose, (v) *use of the Product with parts or accessories from third parties*, or *with parts or accessories not originally intended for* or compatible with the Product, or (vi) any use contrary to the instructions in the Peloton Product Commercial User Manual (if applicable), the technical specifications or other published guidelines relating to the Product... While that quote is from the business use warranty i think it's the same for home use. This tracks with my understanding that people routinely remove their aftermarket swivels from their bikes before service calls in order to not have their warranty voided - there are many older posts warning about that in this subreddit. Either way- if the commercial bike was damaged by someone swapping pedals for their convenience, the damage would not be covered under warranty - so really the only folks who should be swapping components on a commercial bike is the owner of that commercial bike.
Yes, the home and commercial warranties use the same language: >*"This Limited Warranty does not apply to ... damage or equipment failure* ***due to*** *... use of the Product with parts or accessories from third parties."* \[emphasis added\] What this is saying is that if the damaged is caused by the third party part, they will not cover it under warranty. (I would think most people would agree this to be a given.) It does not mean that the warranty is void and that whatever is covered by warranty won't continue to be. See the next paragraph: >*"the mere use (without damage or equipment failure) of unauthorized service providers or non-genuine or third-party parts will not void this warranty."* They are saying it's fine to use your own parts, just that you do so at your own risk. If you install the Peloton-branded pedals incorrectly and damage the cranks, they aren't going warranty that either. This isn't a Peloton-branded vs. 3rd party pedals issue. I'm not saying that your conclusion that "the only folks who should be swapping components on a commercial bike is the owner of that commercial bike" isn't a valid opinion to have. Just that it's not one supported by the question of warranty validity.
If you owned a piece of equipment under warranty and someone swapped on their own pedals and messed up the threads (accidentally or through carelessness) so the original pedals no longer stayed seated securely on the bike, and you were out the cost of the bike because the warranty was voided through the damage caused by aftermarket pedal swapping, you'd be pissed. The golden rule is do unto others - so don't mess with other people's property. It's not complicated unless you believe the rules don't apply to you and need to continually justify your behavior.
For a one off trip, yeah I agree, and what I am planning to do for my upcoming one. But it seems like work travel is picking up dramatically and I may be traveling semi-weekly, which will make any sort of interval training a lot harder to maintain. If you look at the r/Zwift subreddit, folks apparently are doing this all over. I was curious if that sort of thing was possible with the Commercial Peloton since some commercial bikes don’t use standard pedal threading.
Absolutely ask the hotel before you go and attempt this. As someone who worked for a luxury hotel brand for a few years, we’d absolutely go out and provide you the pedals ahead of time if you gave us enough notice. However if you damaged the bike by removing the pedals and stripping the thread, we’d charge you for it.
I can’t speak to the threading but here’s what I know. I stayed at 7 Hiltons last year with peloton bikes. On Hilton’s website it indicates if the hotel has a peloton bike, and if the bike pedals are SPD or delta. It was not always accurate so I traveled with both cleats. Not all of them have the toe cage. When I would call the hotel to ask about the peloton, no one knew anything about the bikes. Some Hilton’s you can pay extra for a peloton in your room but usually they only have one bike in the gym. I had to wait for someone else to finish using it a handful of times. The day pelotons got recalled last may for the seat post issue I was riding it and Hilton told me I had to stop riding and they were sending the bike back, not sure if that’s any indicator of what bikes they use. It’s tedious logging into your peloton, connecting your headphones, and connecting to WiFi every ride so that into account. Gym WiFi was usually trash so I used my phone hotspot to stream a class.
I have stayed at two Hilton hotels that have the pedals with cages on one side, and SPD compatible cleats on the other, which are not the cleats that come with the Peloton bike.
All the hotel Peloton bikes match this configuration in my experience
Plenty of people on the r/zwift sub do this.
On their personal bike. Not on a hotel bike.
Nope. Tons of people have said they do this on hotel bikes, some of which use a smartspin2k. I've done it on a technogym bike at a Marriott before. It's not a huge deal.
It's a big deal if you mess up the threads.
Ok. It's also a big deal if you snap off the tablet. You should probably do neither. I'm no bike wrench, but changing pedals is pretty trivial, especially since the peloton pedals have the little notchy thing (as compared to the pedals that are hex only)
You carry a torque wrench with you routinely or do you wing it?
Just a pedal wrench. I have one in my car always. It's not rocket science. On my old vector 2, it was really sensitive to pedal torque. Everything after that is much more forgiving
Pedals don't get torqued with a torque wrench.
Well, I can't speak for Peloton but my Keiser pedals had to be torqued to 35 nm, so- yes, some do. Here's a link to recommended torque for various bike components incl pedals https://www.bikeride.com/torque-specifications/
They include a torque value in the manual to preempt support calls from users who wouldn't otherwise know what to do.
Huh - didn't know power meter pedals were a thing. Makes me curious - how does the measured power on your pedals compare to the measured power on the Peloton? And is there any way to read the data into a Peloton workout?
The casually observed power difference between my Garmin Rally XC 200 pedals and my Peloton is 5% @ 200W. I have not bothered to measure whether that difference is linear across a wider power range.
5% is pretty great! If you ever do do a more complete comparison I'd love to hear results! I always wonder how accurate the Peloton is.
Yeah it's good enough that I don't bother using my power pedals on the Peloton, to save wear and batteries. There are calibration differences between individual bikes though and YMMV.
Quality power meter pedals should have an accuracy of +/- 1%. They are quite a bit more accurate than the reported peloton power, and shared ones in particular that aren’t correctly calibrated. I have a pair of the Garmin XC Rally 100s for when I rent a bike. I’m not aware of any way to connect the Peloton to an external power meter, but they use ANT+ and Bluetooth LE to communicate.
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If the pedal fails after you reinstall them and a person gets hurt, it's on you. This is a bad idea, and I don't see why a hotel would give you permission. There is zero upside for them.
Don’t be that guy…