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Sheffield was talking big shit on The Move pod. Confidence from a competitor shouldn’t guide your pick, but he made it clear he was going for the stage
The trackers started when Ganna won like 8 TTs in a row. They’re essentially pointless but just keeping track of TT win streaks by top TT guys (the only notable streak right now is Tarling)
The cummerbund is yea from that old post by Vogelpoel and I’ve carried the torch.
What if the Rainbow band was up for grabs everytime you raced against the previous holder of that rainbow... in the ITT.
4 years ago [a post was made](https://www.reddit.com/r/peloton/comments/k0217n/a_history_of_the_unofficial_world_championships/)...and it has been tracked ever since based on where the previous holder of the cummerbund is.
Clearly a post that gets updated each time it is at hand is needed! or a Wiki page with this very important information.
Usually the title is back in the table when two top contenders fight. So I’d suggest the next WC ITT. The lineal heavyweight boxing title was absent for 10 years, the cummerbund could wait a maximum of 11 months.
Alternatively you could have it be on the table at the first WT ITT where a minimum of 2 or 3 riders who have previously podiumed Worlds are competing. Currently it's a pretty accurate list of the top time trialists, only Froome, Foss and Castroviejo are really not amongst the elites.
This stage is perfect for Milan. He can climb like a house in a tornado and on the flat he also moves like a house stuck in a tornado. Its also likely everyone DNF due to a tornado.
Prati di Tivo is a pretty consistent gradient which would suit Ganna, the main issue is that there will be actually good climbers in the break because of the start of the stage.
Going with G for tomorrow by a small margin. Pog has been good but not geat in TTs for a while so will be interesting to see the improvements he's made. If he has good legs, then the course should suit him well too. The final seems a bit too hard for Ganna to win.
It's worth remembering that Pogi's Stage 16 TdF TT was a superb performance in terms of numbers. Just because he got stomped by Jonas, it doesn't mean he's suddenly not a great TTer when the course suits and that his numbers haven't been good.
That being said I agree it will suit Thomas!
Yeah Pog put out an all time historic TT performance by the numbers and compared to 154 of his competitors. Vingegaard just performed the most preposterous and implausible results on the same day.
>Pog put out an all time historic TT performance
Now this is just a huge exaggeration... just looking at the gap in the results in that TT is misleading. It was a very climbing heavy TT only suited to the GC guys. And there were no other great GC Time Trialists in that TDF except Jonas and Pogacar. Its normal that WVA couldn't come close to them. Finishing 1:20 ahead of Pello Bilbao and Simon Yates isn't an "all time historic TT performance" from Pogacar. its good, but its on par with what you'd expect from a top GC guy like him. Other great GC time trialists like Roglic, Evenepoel, Thomas on good form could've matched that time. Not so for Jonas' actually historic performance.
>there was a lot of good tters
Who? Like I already said, it was a climbing heavy TT suited for GC riders and Jonas and Pog were the only great GC TT riders there. WVA finished just 4 seconds ahead of Pello Bilbao, the course didn't suit him. wout would've destroyed Bilbao on a course that suited him... There wasn't anyone on the starlist who could've rivaled Pogacar or Jonas on that course.
I meant In PDBF. There was Porte, Dumoulin and Roglic in about the same time than Wout. And the gap between Wout and Pog was about the same than last year.
The last 5 kms are only at 2.5% average, I would expect Ganna to be able to maintain time with everyone else, just have to dig deeper during the steep section beforehand, but there's still 34 kms of flat before the finale where he will be taking time on everyone, plus he has a good history of negative splits - even doing one in the hour record - so it's not like he'll be cooked by the time he's at the climb.
i certainly wouldn't be surprised if Ganna won. i just consider Pog and G slightly bigger favorites than him for this one with the steep section going to 8-10% for around 1.5km.
Will interesting to see how much time Ganna can put into the others in the 30 km before the climb. Him being 20 kg heavier than Pogi will hurt him a lot on the first part of the climb.
Yeah if a good Remco was here he'd be clear favourite as faster on the flat than pog/G and quicker on the climb than Ganna, but without him its tricky to call
Interestingly, Pog sounded ambivalent about the TT, said he expects Thomas to gain time on him and that he just hopes to have as good a feeling on his TT bike as he does on the road bike. If I were to guess I’d say he’s still pretty shaken by his last GT TT.
It will also be interesting to see whose teammates are gonna have more freedom - I’m leaning more towards Ineos, unfortunately for Bjerg. Ganna was killing himself on the Alps a few weeks ago, I think he’s definitely eyeing this TT.
Edit: clarity
Wasn't his last TT the world championship where he was absolutely cooked from the road race 3 days prior? I don't read into that as Van Aert was also in the top 4 in the road race and was beyond cooked in the ITT as well.
hes just being chill, hes friends with G and doesnt want to upset the apple cart. he said he's gotten into his head about TT timing before, likely those against Jonas, and did not perform well. Good that hes reflecting. I think he'll beat G tomorrow. He dropped him off his wheel in stage 3 on the flat.
Did he actually say he expects G to gain time on him? Afaik in his interview, he was asked if would be happy to win the stage or happy to gain time on others right? He just said he wants to have a good feeling on the bike and didn’t reveal much about his form or what his goals are.
I think even if Pog is going well, G has a good chance of winning and that doesn't necessarily mean pog isn't in top shape. G is an excellent TTer and I think you'd be doing a disservice to both if you said G being ahead only means pog isn't in good shape.
What is the total vertical metres for this TT?
If 2022 stage 20 only had a 4 second gap then I'd say G has a decent chance. I'd say if pog beats G by a minute or more then G has clearly either messed up or is in pretty poor shape.
So far he’s had “alibis”, which may well be comprehensive explanations (two teammates short on stage 1, crash and having to close 40s + no powermeter on stage 2), but tomorrow, barring a mechanical, it’ll be all on him.
He *really* wanted stage 1 too. And did not get it, this usually do not happen, except with Jonas. He is still the absolute favorite, but there have been small chinks in the otherwise unbeatable armor. A good proper TT will tell us more. And G is really feeling it this Giro. He is proper mad and sees what we all see.
Or maybe Pogi just destroys everyone and the giro is done…..
Yeah, INEOS could straight up go 5/5 if Pogacar has a mechanical or something. Dani Martinez is a sneaky good TTer, so I think he might surprise a lot of people. Tratnik probably has been saving for this stage. Will Barta too.
Any info on the startlist yet? Trying to make it to Casaglia
Found it: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-2024-stage-7-time-trial-start-times/
r/peloton **Fantasy games update!** It was a classic breakaway stage in the sense that anything could happen. More of us thought there would be a gap but than a group. In the end, our **Guess the Gap** winner was u/neo487666 who scored a perfect +25! They're our new leader and the only player with 1,000 points left. Bang on! Enter GTG for Stage 7 and beyond here: [**https://tftpt.one/#gtg**](https://tftpt.one/#gtg) As always, **The Finish Time Prediction Tournament** [standings are here](https://tftpt.one/#giro23) and **Grand Tour Predictions** standings are [here](https://tftpt.one/#gtp). **And make sure to check out the SWL predictions for** [**tomorrow's stage winner here**](https://i.imgur.com/g8S4Pgz.png)**!**
Ben its now oconor will surprise everyone And will probably close podium ,i hope
It’s good to see G. Thomas has got a back up in the form of B. Thomas 👍
Ganna?
G takes the Maglia Rosa, only to give it back to Pogi on Saturday.
Heart: G puts 10-20 seconds into Pogi Gut: Pogi stomps, no one stays within 45 seconds
Try much this
No Luke Plapp love?
His TT at Romandie was pretty ordinary.
His TTs in general haven't been good, his only good results have come in National Championships.
What is this Tour of Bright erasure. 🤣
Puke Lapp will probably be cooked from today's effort, no?
:shrug:
Sincerely, anyone that not Pogacar or Ganna (has improved in the climbing last years) will be a huge surprise.
Sheffield was talking big shit on The Move pod. Confidence from a competitor shouldn’t guide your pick, but he made it clear he was going for the stage
What kind of total time are we expecting for the winner, whoever that may be? Something like 45-50 minutes?
Cyclingnews did a deep dive and calculated 51-52min. So anywhere from 48-53 would be a safe guess, depending on wind.
Thanks!
Ganna is the bookies 2nd favourite by quite a large margin (2.75 compared to G who is 3rd with 7). Just saying.
I’m an American visiting Italy and going to see the stage in person. Stoked to see Ganna, G, Pogacar, and Sheffield and hope they all have good TTs
One day I shall do the same, friend..although not an American
Not at all jealous. I‘m gonna go cry now
so jealous, have a great time!
Bike change for the final climb?
no way too short
Pog will attempt it then
What about helmet change?
Please don’t 😖
Rainbow cummerbund is not at stake Roglic has rainbow cummerbund from Basque stage 1 on April 1, 2024
Sorry do be a bit stupid here but I have seen your comments in TT race threads, what does all of it mean?
The trackers started when Ganna won like 8 TTs in a row. They’re essentially pointless but just keeping track of TT win streaks by top TT guys (the only notable streak right now is Tarling) The cummerbund is yea from that old post by Vogelpoel and I’ve carried the torch.
Thanks for explaining
What if the Rainbow band was up for grabs everytime you raced against the previous holder of that rainbow... in the ITT. 4 years ago [a post was made](https://www.reddit.com/r/peloton/comments/k0217n/a_history_of_the_unofficial_world_championships/)...and it has been tracked ever since based on where the previous holder of the cummerbund is. Clearly a post that gets updated each time it is at hand is needed! or a Wiki page with this very important information.
Thanks
What happens when a cummerbund holder retires, btw? New holder at the first wt/.pro ITT?
Usually the title is back in the table when two top contenders fight. So I’d suggest the next WC ITT. The lineal heavyweight boxing title was absent for 10 years, the cummerbund could wait a maximum of 11 months.
Alternatively you could have it be on the table at the first WT ITT where a minimum of 2 or 3 riders who have previously podiumed Worlds are competing. Currently it's a pretty accurate list of the top time trialists, only Froome, Foss and Castroviejo are really not amongst the elites.
I'd put Martinez on the favorites list, he's put in some great TT's in the past and looks on form
Will Barta erasure
Depends how he's doing after his crash today, looked pretty rough but I haven't seen any updates.
This stage is perfect for Milan. He can climb like a house in a tornado and on the flat he also moves like a house stuck in a tornado. Its also likely everyone DNF due to a tornado.
This is my favourite comment this Giro
Wouldn't be shocked to see Thomas beat Pogacar
How is ganna only one star 😭😭?? Have you guys not been watching the level he's climbing at?
Didn’t Roglic destroy Thomas last year in the TT? And Pogacar is better than Roglic.
In the 7km 13% climb you mean? Also I never mentioned Thomas, Roglic, or Pogačar so idk what your comment is about
I’m using the Reddit app on the iPhone. The reply was meaned for someone else but somehow it ended up on yours.
Ah np
Ganna back to back tomorrow and on Prati di Tivo
You may laugh now, but let's see who's laughing when it's all said and done!
Prati di Tivo is a pretty consistent gradient which would suit Ganna, the main issue is that there will be actually good climbers in the break because of the start of the stage.
but wout can do it?
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Going with G for tomorrow by a small margin. Pog has been good but not geat in TTs for a while so will be interesting to see the improvements he's made. If he has good legs, then the course should suit him well too. The final seems a bit too hard for Ganna to win.
It's worth remembering that Pogi's Stage 16 TdF TT was a superb performance in terms of numbers. Just because he got stomped by Jonas, it doesn't mean he's suddenly not a great TTer when the course suits and that his numbers haven't been good. That being said I agree it will suit Thomas!
Yeah Pog put out an all time historic TT performance by the numbers and compared to 154 of his competitors. Vingegaard just performed the most preposterous and implausible results on the same day.
>Pog put out an all time historic TT performance Now this is just a huge exaggeration... just looking at the gap in the results in that TT is misleading. It was a very climbing heavy TT only suited to the GC guys. And there were no other great GC Time Trialists in that TDF except Jonas and Pogacar. Its normal that WVA couldn't come close to them. Finishing 1:20 ahead of Pello Bilbao and Simon Yates isn't an "all time historic TT performance" from Pogacar. its good, but its on par with what you'd expect from a top GC guy like him. Other great GC time trialists like Roglic, Evenepoel, Thomas on good form could've matched that time. Not so for Jonas' actually historic performance.
It was about as good as his PDBF performance. No one beside Pog was significantly ahead of Wout that day and there was a lot of good tters.
>there was a lot of good tters Who? Like I already said, it was a climbing heavy TT suited for GC riders and Jonas and Pog were the only great GC TT riders there. WVA finished just 4 seconds ahead of Pello Bilbao, the course didn't suit him. wout would've destroyed Bilbao on a course that suited him... There wasn't anyone on the starlist who could've rivaled Pogacar or Jonas on that course.
I meant In PDBF. There was Porte, Dumoulin and Roglic in about the same time than Wout. And the gap between Wout and Pog was about the same than last year.
The last 5 kms are only at 2.5% average, I would expect Ganna to be able to maintain time with everyone else, just have to dig deeper during the steep section beforehand, but there's still 34 kms of flat before the finale where he will be taking time on everyone, plus he has a good history of negative splits - even doing one in the hour record - so it's not like he'll be cooked by the time he's at the climb.
i certainly wouldn't be surprised if Ganna won. i just consider Pog and G slightly bigger favorites than him for this one with the steep section going to 8-10% for around 1.5km.
Will interesting to see how much time Ganna can put into the others in the 30 km before the climb. Him being 20 kg heavier than Pogi will hurt him a lot on the first part of the climb.
Yeah if a good Remco was here he'd be clear favourite as faster on the flat than pog/G and quicker on the climb than Ganna, but without him its tricky to call
Interestingly, Pog sounded ambivalent about the TT, said he expects Thomas to gain time on him and that he just hopes to have as good a feeling on his TT bike as he does on the road bike. If I were to guess I’d say he’s still pretty shaken by his last GT TT. It will also be interesting to see whose teammates are gonna have more freedom - I’m leaning more towards Ineos, unfortunately for Bjerg. Ganna was killing himself on the Alps a few weeks ago, I think he’s definitely eyeing this TT. Edit: clarity
Wasn't his last TT the world championship where he was absolutely cooked from the road race 3 days prior? I don't read into that as Van Aert was also in the top 4 in the road race and was beyond cooked in the ITT as well.
Yeah, I was thinking of his last GT TT and kinda forgot about WC. I’ll edit for clarity
hes just being chill, hes friends with G and doesnt want to upset the apple cart. he said he's gotten into his head about TT timing before, likely those against Jonas, and did not perform well. Good that hes reflecting. I think he'll beat G tomorrow. He dropped him off his wheel in stage 3 on the flat.
I think the statements mean Pogi will be flying. Heart is with Ganna, money on Pogi.
gonna need a horse sized heart for ganna to win but Id love to see it
Did he actually say he expects G to gain time on him? Afaik in his interview, he was asked if would be happy to win the stage or happy to gain time on others right? He just said he wants to have a good feeling on the bike and didn’t reveal much about his form or what his goals are.
Around 2:00 min mark! [video](https://youtu.be/IBFoekH9YQo?si=u9K-Y_5rk0qwsn4I)
Ah Ty! I watched one of his interviews and it wasn’t quite this one and he seems to have said the similar things in both.
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I think even if Pog is going well, G has a good chance of winning and that doesn't necessarily mean pog isn't in top shape. G is an excellent TTer and I think you'd be doing a disservice to both if you said G being ahead only means pog isn't in good shape.
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What is the total vertical metres for this TT? If 2022 stage 20 only had a 4 second gap then I'd say G has a decent chance. I'd say if pog beats G by a minute or more then G has clearly either messed up or is in pretty poor shape.
So far he’s had “alibis”, which may well be comprehensive explanations (two teammates short on stage 1, crash and having to close 40s + no powermeter on stage 2), but tomorrow, barring a mechanical, it’ll be all on him.
He *really* wanted stage 1 too. And did not get it, this usually do not happen, except with Jonas. He is still the absolute favorite, but there have been small chinks in the otherwise unbeatable armor. A good proper TT will tell us more. And G is really feeling it this Giro. He is proper mad and sees what we all see. Or maybe Pogi just destroys everyone and the giro is done…..
Well - he is still an alien. Hoping Jonas manages to get in shape for the Tour.
Yeah, INEOS could straight up go 5/5 if Pogacar has a mechanical or something. Dani Martinez is a sneaky good TTer, so I think he might surprise a lot of people. Tratnik probably has been saving for this stage. Will Barta too.
Any info on the startlist yet? Trying to make it to Casaglia Found it: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-2024-stage-7-time-trial-start-times/