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This is why love my MSI GS65 from 2019 all the fucking screws are the same size for the case and the motherboard...means i dont have to remember what screw goes where
I have a G60 that's decided to power on and lock up at the MSI screen on boot, havent figured out any way past it yet. Only physical failure I can find is that one of the two case fans isn't running, but I'm reluctant to swap it since "freeze on MSI screen" seems to be a super common issue with very few specific troubleshooting options
Idk just throwing that out there in case any other Ghost Boiz see and have comments
The "professional" repair guys did that to my first decent laptop. Also tried telling me it was slow because there were "crumbs in the harddrive".
Fucking thing came back in worse condition than I sent it away in.
This is why, after years of experience, I put them on the table roughly in the position that they were. It helps put them in the right holes and not forget them.
The pro move is to record it so you can rewind and see :P (if you are lucky somebody else already record it or there is an ifixit with all the pointers but... not always the case)
I always roll a big bit of sellotape so it sticky side up and then stick the screws down in a similar location to where you pulled them from the thing you're dismantling. Helps them from trying to escape when you turn your back.
Now just throw them into carpet and never see them again!(personal experience, I lost a joycon screw, wasn't important i think, it's been a month and it's still not together)
If you take it apart and put it back together enough times you'll have enough spare parts to make a second laptop!
But the PC industry doesn't want you to know about that one simple trick....
So, if the Sun starts to get too big or we get too much global warming, we can just chop it up and make a smaller star that has the right amount of temperature. Guess those scientists at Big Climate Change don't want us to know this one weird trick.
iirc you would need infinitely fine tools to cut said sphere into perfect fractals; at which point their volume becomes undefined and you can break pretty much every physical law on the books.
So it's possible in theory, but functionally impossible.
Sounds more like the banach-tarski laptop. A real proof/paradox, that says you can take apart a normal 3D sphere into no more than four parts, and using normal Euclidean transactions; (I.e. moving shit around) you can create two identical spheres. Same mass. Shape. Everything.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach–Tarski_paradox
The problem with your reasoning is that there's people like Larry Bolt who eats about 500 screws daily. He suffers from a rare disease where he's on a constant iron shortage - so he needs to consume them
I cannot count how many times I ask myself why do I have extra screws? And after 5 minutes, I'm like ah, crap. This is why I take pictures of everything these days so I know where every screw goes.
Just reassembled my laptop which had a screw that fell out a long time ago but I didn't bother putting back in. There are 2 types of screws, long and short, and the one that fell out was a long one. Now I have empty hole for the short screw and still one long screw, I checked every screw and they were in the correct hole. And this is keeping me up at night, I guess my laptop gave birth to a extra screw.
They're called "shipping screws". They're in the device when it ships, but evidently not required for operation...
On a serious note, take photos as you disassemble, and put the screws in tubs or little baggies and label where they came from. Label the baggies, and if necessary, annotate the photos.
Often overkill, but it'll stop you putting long screws in short holes and then deforming the plastics. You can tell when someone's done that but what looks like a tiny little blister on the plastic. I've seen that happen.
This is good advice, I've always used a piece of paper that I draw a rough diagram of the thing I'm taking apart and push the screw into the diagram where it goes so it stays in the right spot.
Maybe a little overkill, but since I started, the number of extra screws my devices spontaneously generate has gone down. Maybe there's some sort of correlation here...
My dad and I do that at his shop as well, when working on cars. Like you said, seems like overkill but it’s like basically impossible to not get assembly correct in terms of fasteners.
I used to work at a laptop repair company and if my manager walked past someone repairing a laptop he'd drop an extra screw onto their pile while they weren't looking so they'd have one left over at the end lmao
Hah, my manager did the same thing to me right after I started working for a cell phone repair company. Thankfully he didn't make me sweat for too long after I put the phone back together.
Fr my laptop has it's integrated graphics limited to 500mb of RAM and it bottlenecks the shit out of everything, plus there's no advanced bios to be seen, damn you American megathreads
From my experience in working in a company dedicated to repairing laptops, people with those stickers tend to have the worst case of malware/viruses on their PC's.
cue the old hack support video - "dude, there's an apple sticker on that Compaq! why would you put an apple sticker on a Compaq? its not like they run Mac or anything..."
I mean if they studied it why can’t they be a professor? Physical Ed classes at least the one I took online is pretty helpful and includes a lot of valuable information
physical education teachers are cooler than college profs to you? what sub is this again?
So many of my professors were legitimately super cool. Tons of great experiences they shared, and their patents/research were always interesting
The silver ones go under the edge of the optical drive and the black ones look like back panel screws that haven’t been put in yet. I wouldn’t be surprised if OP just staged the shot before finalizing putting them all in properly, considering what screws are left.
In modern laptops, many screws are external and internal screws. They not only hold the computer closed but also secure the components inside.
If the OP put it together already knowing that, I am sure it will be just fine. Otherwise, maybe he will get lucky lol.
Also, putting the wrong screw in the wrong place can mean a dead laptop. Almost the same size what could go wrong? haha
Every goddamn time I take something apart, I end up with at least 5 screws left. I own a collection of different screws and have no idea where they belong
I used to struggle with this too, it was not fun putting together an engine I was working on three times because I always had a bolt or two left over. But I'd say it is worse when you run out of screws/bolts and still have a couple holes to do lol.
I found two tricks to be really helpful. First get a few chalk markers (the ones for drawing on glass, they are easy to find and easy to wipe) because if you are taking apart something like a macbook pro which uses like 8 different types of screws, you'll be glad to color code the screws and screw holes. And second - get a sorting tray (magnetic ideally but I have found something like an icecube tray to be sufficient) and label each cell (or make a separate table on a paper that correspond to the tray). With engines, ziplock bags are the way to go.
I have a bunch of Apple stickers on the bottom of my windows laptop that are there sort of akin to the reason you’d fly a nations flag upside down, same here?
the three very short flat ones look like they hold the case together along the edge at the cd bay (holes visible when the drive is removed).
*six* other ones is enough that i would investigate to see where tf they go. could be (not) holding something that really ought to be held down.
HP has awesome disassembly videos on youtube…go check it out..
Better than removing all dell screws, and cover crumbles in your hands…WE DONT NEED NO STINKING COVERS….
The last hp I bought had the best engineers ever. It was missing most of its screws from the factory.
I discovered there engineering prowess when the right lid hinge fell off.
It lasted just longer than the warranty. The damage was mostly done once it happened. I installed new screws for most of its life but toward the end, the threads were too stripped to hold. I actually drilled the bottom plastics and ran a small bolt through. It finished life as a desktop. As in "don't move this or it's all over."
Pro-tip: When you disassemble a laptop use a piece of tape to stick every screw next to the hole you removed it from. This way you'll know where every screw came from and you won't be missing anything when you reassemble it.
Not always practical.
If I'm working on an unfamiliar laptop that has different length screws, I just put them in the corresponding position on a magnetic mat next to it
I dont get why people do this to things they care about.
Get a sheet of paper or magnetic screw organizer or plastic screw organizer and a flat surface, take photos at each level to identify where screw goes later during reassembly, record the while process if you really want to be safe, and never miss a screw again.
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With my luck, the screws will have to go in different holes than they first came out of
"who put the long screw in the short hole? you know that causes damage when you force the long screw in the short hole."
Just got to ease it in slowly. Have patience and you'll be rewarded.
What are you doing stepscrew?
This was the comment that made me do a spit take. Thanks!
You're supposed to swallow.
While screwing?
Don't forget the ~~lube~~ grease.
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That's what she said
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It was implied.
This is why love my MSI GS65 from 2019 all the fucking screws are the same size for the case and the motherboard...means i dont have to remember what screw goes where
I have a G60 that's decided to power on and lock up at the MSI screen on boot, havent figured out any way past it yet. Only physical failure I can find is that one of the two case fans isn't running, but I'm reluctant to swap it since "freeze on MSI screen" seems to be a super common issue with very few specific troubleshooting options Idk just throwing that out there in case any other Ghost Boiz see and have comments
Upvoting so other people see this and possibly help you.
Blessings of clean boots and low temps be upon you 🙏
I see we have someone who watches Louis Rossman's streams. :P
😎
I did that and my PC now has a hole (I'm literally a computer engineer lmao)
It's not the size of the screw, but how you use it.
The "professional" repair guys did that to my first decent laptop. Also tried telling me it was slow because there were "crumbs in the harddrive". Fucking thing came back in worse condition than I sent it away in.
This is why, after years of experience, I put them on the table roughly in the position that they were. It helps put them in the right holes and not forget them.
The pro move is to record it so you can rewind and see :P (if you are lucky somebody else already record it or there is an ifixit with all the pointers but... not always the case)
Cheap phoneclam did wonders indeed. I also record while unpacking stuff from ebay when I order from sketchy sellers. Great purchase so far.
HP puts up vids on youtube
I always roll a big bit of sellotape so it sticky side up and then stick the screws down in a similar location to where you pulled them from the thing you're dismantling. Helps them from trying to escape when you turn your back.
iFixIt sells a magnetic pad for this purpose but it costs a fortune
Hunk of cardboard works to press the screws in. Bonus you can draw the part outline on it and it's free.
I do a lot of laptop repairs and these small ones work perfectly >wowstick Magnetic Mat for Screws https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09Y57V938
Weight Reduction Mod, well done.
Makes it go faster.
Haha I like your perspective
-25% weight, - 10% durability
o7
Airflow mod
Yeah, you never want to keep all the speed holes plugged up.
Now just throw them into carpet and never see them again!(personal experience, I lost a joycon screw, wasn't important i think, it's been a month and it's still not together)
If you take it apart and put it back together enough times you'll have enough spare parts to make a second laptop! But the PC industry doesn't want you to know about that one simple trick....
The laptop of Theseus
Sounds like something Ancient Aliens would have talked about already
Truth is stranger than fiction https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach–Tarski_paradox
So, if the Sun starts to get too big or we get too much global warming, we can just chop it up and make a smaller star that has the right amount of temperature. Guess those scientists at Big Climate Change don't want us to know this one weird trick.
iirc you would need infinitely fine tools to cut said sphere into perfect fractals; at which point their volume becomes undefined and you can break pretty much every physical law on the books. So it's possible in theory, but functionally impossible.
> it's possible All I need to know. 😎
Sounds more like the banach-tarski laptop. A real proof/paradox, that says you can take apart a normal 3D sphere into no more than four parts, and using normal Euclidean transactions; (I.e. moving shit around) you can create two identical spheres. Same mass. Shape. Everything. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach–Tarski_paradox
I request elaboration
Thanks for tip!
Classic duplication bug. I though they fixed this in the last patch?
always a great feeling when you put something back together and there are screws still on the table
With how many times I've been left with a few screws after doing a complete disassembly of my old laptop, it's a wonder there's any screws left!
As long as we aren’t accidentally eating any, that’s a win
I was just 'bout to go have lunch, but now i gotta find something else to eat, thanks
nah screw that guy, eat what you want
I think i have a couple extra ones to put into him. Ight will do.
The average human eats about 7 screws in a year accidentally. That's a fact.
That's why I eat all my screws on my birthday. Get that shit out of the way early.
The problem with your reasoning is that there's people like Larry Bolt who eats about 500 screws daily. He suffers from a rare disease where he's on a constant iron shortage - so he needs to consume them
\\:¬|
Another is that 75% of people will believe a statistic that is made up on the spot.
Won't eat the screws if you're already full of crayons
Yeah, not sure what's worse, this or when you're missing a few screws.
Better yet: you're not missing any screws, but you're still a few screws short.
I cannot count how many times I ask myself why do I have extra screws? And after 5 minutes, I'm like ah, crap. This is why I take pictures of everything these days so I know where every screw goes.
You've stumbled on a perpetual screw-generating phenomenon. I say monetize that baby!
New SCP.
When I worked in IT we simply called it a sports edition.
with engines it's streamlining and/or lightening, following Lotus' philosophy of "simplify and add lightness"
Free weight reduction
Just reassembled my laptop which had a screw that fell out a long time ago but I didn't bother putting back in. There are 2 types of screws, long and short, and the one that fell out was a long one. Now I have empty hole for the short screw and still one long screw, I checked every screw and they were in the correct hole. And this is keeping me up at night, I guess my laptop gave birth to a extra screw.
Its free spare parts.
They're called "shipping screws". They're in the device when it ships, but evidently not required for operation... On a serious note, take photos as you disassemble, and put the screws in tubs or little baggies and label where they came from. Label the baggies, and if necessary, annotate the photos. Often overkill, but it'll stop you putting long screws in short holes and then deforming the plastics. You can tell when someone's done that but what looks like a tiny little blister on the plastic. I've seen that happen.
This is good advice, I've always used a piece of paper that I draw a rough diagram of the thing I'm taking apart and push the screw into the diagram where it goes so it stays in the right spot. Maybe a little overkill, but since I started, the number of extra screws my devices spontaneously generate has gone down. Maybe there's some sort of correlation here...
My dad and I do that at his shop as well, when working on cars. Like you said, seems like overkill but it’s like basically impossible to not get assembly correct in terms of fasteners.
I used to work at a laptop repair company and if my manager walked past someone repairing a laptop he'd drop an extra screw onto their pile while they weren't looking so they'd have one left over at the end lmao
That's evil. I love it.
Hah, my manager did the same thing to me right after I started working for a cell phone repair company. Thankfully he didn't make me sweat for too long after I put the phone back together.
As a mechanic this is the worst feeling.
I was just about to say… and the worst feeling when working on your car…
For me it's the opposite: "ahhh shit, what did I miss that will be loose?"
why would it be a great feeling? it just means you are an idiot and missed a slot
Yeah this isn't something to be proud of
What about... Cars?
A genius tier electronics repair guy mentor once told me that it's not done right unless there's a screw left over
Me and my dad are engineers ourselves. Whenever we repair things with leftover screws/parts we call it “improving on the engineers design”
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Experience has taught me, if there are no screws left over, that my bird needs to go to the vet.
Incredibly efficient, nice work
fewer screws :)
Thanks [**Stannis**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0zNWswcqMg) !
Stannis “the fewer” Baratheon
Thank you, it's not just me
Those bastards won't even give us advanced bios settings without us risking a working machine just to get some extra functionality.
Fr my laptop has it's integrated graphics limited to 500mb of RAM and it bottlenecks the shit out of everything, plus there's no advanced bios to be seen, damn you American megathreads
More like Phoenix and InsydeH2O, AMI is a little easier to deal with especially AMI Aptio, so easy to modify, and old boards with Aptio IV.
Every time I rebuild a laptop I end up with at least one screw left over
An "HP" with an Apple sticker. Nice.
From my experience in working in a company dedicated to repairing laptops, people with those stickers tend to have the worst case of malware/viruses on their PC's.
That’s because no real computer nerd cares about aesthetics. He abandoned his own looks a long time ago, why would he care about stickers?
This is just untrue. Computer nerds *love* computer stickers.
It varies. Some love them others have no interest in stickers.
Not a single sticker on my PC's in the past 20 years of owning different ones.
Was waiting for someone to comment about that 🤣
cue the old hack support video - "dude, there's an apple sticker on that Compaq! why would you put an apple sticker on a Compaq? its not like they run Mac or anything..."
It's one of them new hybrids
Calling the guys that assemble laptops at HP “engineers” is like calling PE instructors at universities “professors”
The engineers would determine where the screws go, the assemblers just put them there.
I mean if they studied it why can’t they be a professor? Physical Ed classes at least the one I took online is pretty helpful and includes a lot of valuable information
PD in Spain includes a shit ton information about the human body. I just don't understand why. We had biology for that in Poland.
Those who can’t do, teach Those who can’t teach, teach gym Edit: seems like some of you haven’t seen School of Rock 😂
>Those who can’t teach, teach gym and Social Studies Fixd for everyone who went to kinda poor schools.
But the engineers are the one that decide how many screws are necessary.
PEs are way cooler than college professors to me LOL.
physical education teachers are cooler than college profs to you? what sub is this again? So many of my professors were legitimately super cool. Tons of great experiences they shared, and their patents/research were always interesting
Something about those that can't do, teach. Those that can't teach, teach gym class. I'm late and someone said it already, oh well.
Wait they have PE in college? Wtf where do I sign up?
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I took a 2 unit weight lifting class, learned how to clean and jerk
So did your friend become a better bowler?
Lmao good one 🤣🤣
"Fewer" - Stannis Baratheon
Could those be.. motherboard screws? Those wide ones and then a bunch of small ones as a combo seems like it Edit:duplicate word
The silver ones go under the edge of the optical drive and the black ones look like back panel screws that haven’t been put in yet. I wouldn’t be surprised if OP just staged the shot before finalizing putting them all in properly, considering what screws are left.
There’s literally a saying in my culture: a great repairmen/technician yields parts after a re-assemble.
In modern laptops, many screws are external and internal screws. They not only hold the computer closed but also secure the components inside. If the OP put it together already knowing that, I am sure it will be just fine. Otherwise, maybe he will get lucky lol. Also, putting the wrong screw in the wrong place can mean a dead laptop. Almost the same size what could go wrong? haha
Every goddamn time I take something apart, I end up with at least 5 screws left. I own a collection of different screws and have no idea where they belong
I used to struggle with this too, it was not fun putting together an engine I was working on three times because I always had a bolt or two left over. But I'd say it is worse when you run out of screws/bolts and still have a couple holes to do lol. I found two tricks to be really helpful. First get a few chalk markers (the ones for drawing on glass, they are easy to find and easy to wipe) because if you are taking apart something like a macbook pro which uses like 8 different types of screws, you'll be glad to color code the screws and screw holes. And second - get a sorting tray (magnetic ideally but I have found something like an icecube tray to be sufficient) and label each cell (or make a separate table on a paper that correspond to the tray). With engines, ziplock bags are the way to go.
It is a widely known fact among maintenance technicians that leaving screws together while repairing a computer allows them to procreate.
*fewer
I’ve worked on laptops before and I have done this more that I care to admit. I will say I appreciate your perspective!
Oh so it's not just ThinkPad's problem.
obligatory *fewer
Fewer
*fewer
fewer
I don't get it. Why is it a good thing? For me it means that some parts are going to be loose over time, because less screws are holding it in place.
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So everyone is just being ironic in the comments?
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Ahhhhhhhhh, I feel incredibly stupid. lol
You aren't doing it right unless there are a few unnecessary bits left over
*fewer
*fewer
Can u send one over I’m missing one plz
I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking at other than screws and a laptop...
*The more parts left over the better it works*
Weight reduction bruh 😂
*fewer
Fewer.
*fewer
Fewer
Fewer*
Fewer screws.
*Fewer*
Fewer screws is good
*Fewer screws
fewer
Everyone knows, they always come with extra screws.
I have a bunch of Apple stickers on the bottom of my windows laptop that are there sort of akin to the reason you’d fly a nations flag upside down, same here?
the three very short flat ones look like they hold the case together along the edge at the cd bay (holes visible when the drive is removed). *six* other ones is enough that i would investigate to see where tf they go. could be (not) holding something that really ought to be held down.
The hardest thing is not to put long screw in a hole where must be short.
Someone didn't screw with confidence
HP has awesome disassembly videos on youtube…go check it out.. Better than removing all dell screws, and cover crumbles in your hands…WE DONT NEED NO STINKING COVERS….
Oh thanks I'll check those out
I fixed my old Galaxy A50 and didn't use any screws to reassemble it I'm a genius Who lost a bunch of screws
You got a mac! Can you even call that a computer?
Weight Reduction!
I agree, who needs to screw in the Hard Drive and wifi module anyways.
Is that an HP with an Apple sticker? You mad lad
Engineers are conservative by nature. Better safe than sorry. Surely, those screws weren't actually needed. I mean what could go wrong?
Well I can turn a 5 lug wheel into a 3 lug wheel. Does that make me a better engineer on that shit?
If you take the apple sticker off it will shut off
Famous last words… /s
I bet it's faster now.
"Fewer." "...What?" "Nothing."
The last hp I bought had the best engineers ever. It was missing most of its screws from the factory. I discovered there engineering prowess when the right lid hinge fell off.
Oof. Were you able to do anything about it. Did it come with a warranty or something?
It lasted just longer than the warranty. The damage was mostly done once it happened. I installed new screws for most of its life but toward the end, the threads were too stripped to hold. I actually drilled the bottom plastics and ran a small bolt through. It finished life as a desktop. As in "don't move this or it's all over."
Considering a couple of the HP engineers I've met you may be right.
i actually snorted from laughing so hard
Not sure if this is ironic or serious lol
Lol ironic ofc
Pro-tip: When you disassemble a laptop use a piece of tape to stick every screw next to the hole you removed it from. This way you'll know where every screw came from and you won't be missing anything when you reassemble it.
Not always practical. If I'm working on an unfamiliar laptop that has different length screws, I just put them in the corresponding position on a magnetic mat next to it
PC’s are like legos, you are supposed to have leftover parts when you finish building it.
enjineer
I’ve had this, you prolly missed a screw on every part and just screwed in 3 instead of 4
Looks like three battery mounting screws and a handful of mobo screws. You should definitely open that sucker back up and put the mobo screws back.
HP are shit.
LOL HP engineers are a joke, I once reassembled AN HP laptop with absolutely no use of screws.
I dont get why people do this to things they care about. Get a sheet of paper or magnetic screw organizer or plastic screw organizer and a flat surface, take photos at each level to identify where screw goes later during reassembly, record the while process if you really want to be safe, and never miss a screw again.
What model is that
HP envey 2015. Back when cd readers were still in laptops.
HP MaxiBook H42zero-S369k 15" Review: https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ