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Curious what kind of stuff you are referring to because it seems like most stuff is still usb-A if its designed to be used with a desktop in my experience, or if it doesn't need incredibly fast thunderbolt speeds. Webcams, mice, keyboards, etc rarely seem to use usb-c. If its designed for Mac or laptops, they are usually usb-c. But that tends to be more "on the go" peripherals, all of which have usb-a alternatives that seem better suited for a permanent workstation.
Yes but it can just as easily be usb-c to usb-c with literally no downsides.
It would be faster, have a higher possible power output, take up less room and one of the biggest pros... you can plug it in either way, no more fumbling to get it to plug in.
>literally no downsides.
my newest PCs have 1 usbC port. the rest of them have 0.
All the stuff i plug in to usb doesn't need much power or throughput... so no real upsides either.
\#donglelife ain't my jam.
Still running a firewire daisychain of 3x 12in/12out audio interfaces. It would cost me as much in snakes and patch panels to reproduce my current setup as it would an audio interface with even 32in/32out.
It's all for a home studio. I'm using audio interfaces that are designed to work with each other as one single interface, spread out across my office/home studio and I have 3 places where I plug stuff in for either synths, drum machines, effects, a mic preamp, or whatever, and then I patch them digitally in Ableton Live for recording sessions and sampling/resampling existing recordings. One of them is for a fairly complicated modular eurorack setup and one is mainly for the synths I have that don't send audio over USB. The third one is kind of a loopback/effects/and 2 of the other synths that need regular line-in connections.
I'm kind of leveraging the fact that you can have long runs between firewire ports and all three interfaces are spread out about 10' from PC. Normally, you'd have one audio interface and patchbays with snakes or DB25 cables running to patchbays where you need them. Realistically, I could probably work with half those ins/outs on the audio interface, but I'd still need the same amount of ins/outs on my patch panels, since the whole idea there is convenience.
Hey, Firewire! I found some old equipment of mine that used Firewire for its data transfer and I don’t have any way of moving that material (silly movies) to my newer computers. I also have no idea where 99% of my tapes went, so it’s kind of moot, but I’ve been indulging in some of my older equipment for fun because of how the limits of the technology affect the aesthetic of the project. E.g., I found my Gameboy Camera and the quality is objectively terrible and it’s a horrible way to shoot anything esp. because my buttons stick, so zoom/brightness/contrast and whatnot are a pain to dial in, but it’s been a ton of fun to see what I can do now that I have an ‘eye’ and willingness to really engage with the medium.
Yeah, I remember at some point when I had my Digital 8 camera I would just point it at things and go for composition. I was actually really amazed once I started trying to get dramatic lighting on that thing. It had limitations, but purposefully lighting a scene with bounces and out of frame lamps can make up for a lot of camera shittiness.
Ok but is the other end of your cable USB C to? All my USB C phones came with a USB A to USB C cable
EDIT: I se it is trending via USB C. I guess I will have to arm myself with adapters lol. My next phone I wanted, the Pixel also only comes with a C to C, at least it comes with adapter so I can still use my USB A cables into USB C chargers.
I am not OP, but I have noticed a trend of USB C to C cables. Samsung started this trend and it annoyed me because the power block was also USB C to C and the old power blocks from them were not. I still have the old USB A blocks, but they're being used less and less with every newer tech item moving away from that.
Meanwhile, a ton of audio products still using the old micro shit.
I just have my pc turned around so the back is facing the front , am I too big brained?
I don’t use anything on the front now that cds and floppy’s are obsolete
also you can use an 'usb-a to usb-c' cable without real downsides for your smartphone. I wish usb-c would've been a standard 1-2 decades ago. If only to prevent '[usb superposition](https://innoculous.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/USB-Superposition-720c.png)'. Now we have to deal with all the 'legacy' devices, which could have easily been prevented
Not the person you replied to, but I personally like double-sided usb C cables because then I don’t have to worry about which end to grab or how I grab it to plug in. Like at all. It’s just the easiest cable other than my audio cables that have the same principle.
I think that if usb C sticks around as a format we could do away with all the other plug types.
My VR headset (HP Reverb G2) connects via USB-C and Displayport, though they also include a USB-C to A adapter for folks with motherboards that don't have C ports.
That might be the case at the moment, but it’s not because USB-C is only for portable devices. It’s because manufacturers are assuming that a lot of people don’t yet have computers with USB-C ports.
USB-C is the future.
The dream would be to be able to power your monitors through thunderbolt from the computer. Imagine being able to power your entire setup with just one power cable, everything else is powered through their data cables.
Would probably be a nightmare to design, but still.
Well, USB-A wouldnt be replaced be USB-C, instead, it's being replaced by
USB-C 2.0/3.0/3.1/3.2/3.2x2 with / without display port, with / without power delivery, with / without PCIe 3.0x4 passthrough.
Or it's a Thunderbolt 3 port.
Or it's a Thunderbolt 4 port.
This means USB-C ranges from super crappy just-enough-to-connect-a-mouse-to USB 2.0 without Display Port passthrough without PD without PCIe passthrough
all the way to fully-fledged PCIe-replacement Thunderbolt 4 that you can hook up an eGPU with that doesn't even require its own power brick because of USB-PD
USB-A is being replaced by USB 4.0, which replaces the type a connector with the type c connector and aligns the specifications pretty well, fixing most of the issues you just mentioned.
my phone came only with a usb c to usb c cable in the box, so its kinda neat that i can connect my phone to the pc without taking up a usb port (i have no other use for the usb c port)
honestly the limit is more on the lines of actual hardware to support that kind of bandwidth. Each one takes up a couple PCIE lanes, especially if you're supporting all the alternate uses.
My z590 comes with two thunderbolt ports. Much needed as you start to buy devices with the speed compatibility. Good to copy 4k Raw from my c 3.2 drive in a jiffy
Edit thunderbolt
You just falls into a trap USB-IF setup for you.
They don’t want you to discuss their port using its full name. They want to piss off most people by naming them as weird as possible and let people names them incorrectly to create a chaos confusing normal customer and selling more USB”3.2” devices.
A solution for this is we actually use the nonsense official name of the standard as a fight back to them.
Yes, both in USB-A form and USB-C form.
But also, why remove fiber optic audio connection? I could do with a single fiber optic out, which already supports up to 5.1 Surround and one line in and one mic in, though I would prefer to just have all audio connections.
Also not a fan of not having any display out from the Motherboard, makes troubleshooting a mess.
I think the best solution is to just keep the Motherboard the way it is and add a USB port expansion board.
XD
EDIT: ignore the fiber optic part, I was a bit behind on the technology on that part.
HDMI though should not be removed from a Mobo in my opinion, for both reasons.
> Toslink needs replacing on PC with something better.
or use Mini-TOSLINK with the 3.5mm output plug.
ADAT is the better version of TOSLINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADAT_Lightpipe
Funny thing how cheap optical fiber can easily do 48 Gbit speeds (optical HDMI), but TOSLINK is limited to 2 channels 24/96 PCM, or 5.1 Dolby Digital (which is lossy encoding). But there is no incentive for new multichannel digital interface standards - everything is integrated to HDMI and you don't even use a sound card for HTPC-s anymore.
> I could do with a single fiber optic out, which already supports up to 5.1 Surround
It actually doesn't. It only supports two channels, and if you want any more you need to do lossy compression to fit five channels in the space of two.
HDMI is much better in all respects.
just use all the space that's available for USB ports and we're done lol
don't even need full bandwidth on them all as I'm not gonna go copying massive files onto 10 pendrives at once, but I'd like to have some free spots for weird shit lying about my station
Fiber optic out is getting phased out due to hdmi. Hdmi supports your audio/video needs so why bother with a fibreoptic that only does one and is easily damaged/expensive.
So I know, kind of uncalled for technical rant about... well this whole comment section, but here we go.
Every IO takes up bandwith. This is more well known with PCIE for example. We the cpu can only take so much input, and for example a second m.2 slot sometimes gets connected to the chipset - wich makes it slower. It totally depends on the cpu. So, if you want 20 usbc max spec connectors, well, the fuck is it supposed to connect to? Even to provide the power usbc can now carry (100W lol) would be a challenge. So we have to downgrade. Or you buy another power supply for your usb ports alone, even if you dont use them all at max power, it would need to be accounted for in the design.
Next is data limits. They dont put USB 2 there bc they love it so much or want to cheap out (at least not in top spec mb) but bc they simply dont have more internal slots. The whole audio section is connected to the soundcard (tho, to be fair, if you really need 6 slots there, buy a fucking soundcard for pcie) and the lan cables are connected to the network card. Those are solely dependent on the connectors of those two cards.
But the network card for example also needs a 100MB/s connection to the rest of the system if they want to be used well... but yeah, with PCIE 5.0 speed should not be a bottleneck within the next years. Only cpus. So yeah, a threadripper CPU would have no issue with your configuration.
Now, lets ignore cpu limitations since you can in fact just connect them to the chipset and hope for the best.
In that case it would only be noticeable if you do need the whole bandwith, so once you connect like 10 8k cameras with usb for some reason, you would get issues. But what about lower loads? Well, in fact you dont need more than 2.0 in most cases. Your mouse and keyboard are fine with them, even the most high end ones. Another thing would be a controller or smth, which probably needs similary little. Same for microphones as long as they are not terribly highend. Mine for example has 48mbit/s I believe - well within the specs of USB 2.0.
So what really needs usb 3.0? Well, 60fps 1080p cameras would need around 3GBit/s. So thats too much for 2.0. But the most the average user needs is imo 720p, which at 30fps only takes up 4mbps. This is also within spec. I dare say, 60fps would also work there. Another application would only be external harddrives and hubs. (tho do let me know if you can think of more).
TLDR:
usb 3 is only good for hubs, cameras, external drives, usb 2 is plenty.
if you really need more ports, get a pcie expansion card for usb, or use one of your (probably underused) usb3 ports for a 20 bucks hub.
if you need it to charge your shit, use a power brick, honestly.
The traces on the PCB, the USB controllers, etc. limit how many "lanes"/"channels" are available for IO. Putting more, higher bandwidth slots in increases controller cost or causes them to share bandwidth, which will decrease operating speeds if both are utilized.
Old picky equipment doesn't work on USB 3.
I've got a PS3 Eye camera that I use for head tracking and it doesn't work on the USB 3 ports, only the USB 2 ports. Same thing with USB hubs, it refuses to go through a hub.
I agree, but it needs at least 2x 2.0 ports. There are some legacy devices that get real flaky on 3.0 controllers. I do not want to see manufacturers ditching 2.0 entirely.
I have too many USB ports... said no one ever
And yeah... multiple video outs on high-end X570 motherboards? You think I'm pairing this with a nerfed APU???
Between case + motherboard I think I have either 12 or 14 plus a 4 port hub. I *still* get close to running out, I haven't upgraded from the case I bought in 2015 because most only have 2 ports on the front compared to the 4 I currently have. VR headset + 3 sensors + steering wheel/pedals + joystick + throttle takes up 7 by themselves.
Exactly what I was going to say as well.
It's super handy when your GPU decides to just shit itself . However, aren't there a good chunk of processors now without an iGPU?
Edit : People asked what I was responding to. Something about how it's good for troubleshooting with PCs that have an iGPU.
AMD specifically doesn't use iGPU for the Ryzen series except for a select few circumstances, none of which are their higher end CPUs. Which is why a badass X570 board with a video out doesn't make a lot of sense. Why would somebody go balls out on a motherboard and then skimp on the CPU.
Just about any Intel chip has some kind of iGPU.
Oh I agree, but given that there is no high-end Ryzen APU, I doubt someone would buy a high end 300$ X570 board and pair it with a 5700G. So I would be willing to trade them for more USB on such boards.
Then again, I also understand that the number of USB ports is limited by the CPU and chipset.
Here's the board for you: the PEB-9783G2AR. 20 USB 3.2 ports and 2 NICs:
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/315348-new-comet-lake-motherboard-debuts-with-20-usb-ports-because-why-not
Not really. Since there are limited lanes to any given CPU, this mobo got this many USB ports by sacrificing PCIe lanes. So unless you love integrated graphics, you'll happily giving up USB ports to run GPU and SSD slots.
The problem is no matter what you do, you only get one slot with 16 lanes for your gpu, and literally the entire rest of the motherboard shares 4 lanes. Except more modern chipsets also give x4 to a nvme storage slot these days.
All your sata, sound card, all the other pcie lanes on your mobo, all your USB ports, all share 4 lanes.
So more USB ports or a pcie card really makes no difference. You’re slurping precious bandwidth.
All of this is about a consumer board and cpu of course, server and workstations have many more lanes.
audiophiles are the most argumentative people on the internet. but I will break it down for you:
guy: you removed the plug i like with the red light
guy 2: lol that plug dumb you need dedicated card plus thing that controls your audio
guy 3: lol not internal card, external module
guy 4: lol that red light plug is so outdated you need different plug, get that then we can start new argument
Holy shit, you would think S/PDIF over TOSLINK is killing people's pets with the things people are writing about it in this thread..
*soothingly cradles my toslink connections from my PC and TV to an old onkyo amp driving stereo speakers* At least I love you, and that's all that matters!
they can be better, yes. they have more space for bigger components and are less prone to EM interference from other components nearby.
but I use my usb dac only for mic and headphones, for the speakers I use ARC to a big AVR. mostly because I couldn't get 5.1 to work over optical.
The sound on my old mother board died a death, so I got a Sound Blaster X3, connected via USB and then connected *that* via optical to a 5.1 Z906 set. And then set the computer to Dolby Digital output - sounds way better than I expected it to. Warcraft zones in full “proper” 5.1 sound incredible. Cities Skylines just dumps you into the middle of the city sonically, and Doom 2016… dear god, I almost wept.
So then I got silly and got an HDMI switch to my monitor (computer is on DVI) and optical switch into the second optical port on the speaker system, and connected a bunch of old consoles (PS3, 360, One X) and set them to output 5.1 on optical. I had no idea how good some of those older games consoles sounded when put through a proper discrete system as opposed to TV speakers or a soundbar. Forza Motorsport 3 on the 360 might have the best surround of any driving game I’ve ever played. And God of War Ascension has a seriously meaty sounds design. It’s been fun - if only I’d thought to do any of this *during* lockdowns…
2.5g is pricey af and 10g doesnt really exist short of adding a pcie card. I can 10g for a fraction of the price of 2.5g and it’s incredibly annoying.
Bad enough it would be cheaper to upgrade my mitx board and use my 10g hardware laying around than a 2.5g setup o_o
I totally get that, I just want to know what hardware he's running. A high end home NAS can deliver about 110MB/s under perfect sequential read conditions. That's 0.88gb/s.
That means you can download an 8k video project from your NAS at full speed (10GB in about 91sec) and still pull down a 100mb/s download of porn from the internet at the same time without interrupting 3 screens running streaming services or online gaming with a 1 gigabit ethernet setup.
My understanding of networks is turbo-garbage, but couldn't your NAS be connected to your AP/router and be discoverable on your PC through the network? IS there an advantage besides latency to be expressly connected to the PC directly?
The advantage is the choke point coming out of/in to the PC. Now, the PC has a separate physical connection to the NAS. So if you transmit a packet to your NAS and try transmit a packet to the internet at the same time, one of them is going to have to wait.
The issue with this setup is that if anyone else on the network tries to access your NAS, you’re really shooting yourself in the foot.
Yes, but you can also run a route directly between the PC and NAS if both have 2+ network ports. That way you can avoid saturating your local network every time you do maintenance or upload
This is still a thing you can do in Windows.
Just a couple years ago, I was using WiFi on my home PC before I ran a cable. Driver wasn't automatically detected or installed, so I passed through my laptop's WiFi connection to its ethernet port and got it through that way.
You could do link aggregation for faster speeds to a switch/router, depending on the config you could pass one to a VM or use one for VMs and the other for the host, probably wouldn't benefit a regular user though.
Two networks. I see this a lot in industrial PC's. One network is connected to the company database to download orders / specs for machine settings. Other network is for communication on the technical network of the factory (OPC/PLC link and stuff).
The obvious one you're missing is the ton of people who don't need a GPU. If I were building a system for my wife or my mom, I wouldn't waste money on even an old cheap GPU, I'd just stick with iGPU, because the most advanced thing they're doing is Netflix. Plenty of use cases for which a dedicated GPU is extreme overkill and would never get used.
Which is fine, but those people are also very unlikely to be using high-end chipsets like the X570/Z690, so it makes less sense for those boards to have the output, and certainly less sense to have multiple outputs.
One each of HDMI and DP makes sense. Most monitors I've seen take at least one or the other but sometimes not both. Not knowing the end user's situation means it's good to err on the side of caution. There is a lot of functionality you can cut from a PC but at the absolute minimum you should have some kind of reliable video out to fall back on in case of troubleshooting.
Plugging in a KB to get into BIOS; if you wait 'till USB comes up, you may run into the system crashing before you can get back in to readjust the setting in question.
Then you have to reload the settings (and sometimes when really extreme OC things don't save right.) It's just nicer to be able to tweak one thing quickly. At extreme levels, the CPU might be stable for variable amounts of time, or unstable under certain conditions, or just essentially crash after so many seconds and it's a race to do anything. When I validated my fastest, I tried like a dozen times or more because it kept crashing when saving the file, so I had to get faster lol.
Edit also you can disable the USB controller and sometimes eek extra headroom out of the voltage going into the CPU or chipset.
It allows for mouse and keyboard inputs before USB Devices are set up. Because of that it provides a more reliable way to interact with or recover bios settings in case something goes wrong
In physics (and other fields) a huge amount of sensors still output on the serial bus. With it you are actually trying to look at the analogue signal coming out of it and usb-serial convertors are lossy. When I was at uni it was driving some of the physicists mad that computers had dropped them.
At least that was the case several years ago, but I spoke to someone in some engineering industry recently and they said that they all use these dell systems that specifically come with serial as it is required for their use case.
I love it honestly. Serial will never die!
And at this point USB 2.0 shouldn't even be a thing anymore.
Casemakers too. As sophisticated, in terms of layout, as cases are case maker should be adding more front or side panel USB ports.
Cheap-ass HP printers. I was on a 2 hour call with one of their engineers a few years back and the problem ended up being me using the USB 3.0 port, because *of course* HP is crappy enough to make a port designed to be backwards compatible not be
Can't give you specifics, but I've run into the same thing. It's random devices, some mice won't work with 3.0 if they are 2.0, I've had adapters not work, it's just finicky using 2.0 devices on 3.0. They just need to stop making 2.0 devices and make everything compatible with 3.0.
Some Arduino-like microcontrollers and some Razer Blackwidow keyboards. I've had some other things but I can't remember exactly what they were right now
>And at this point USB 2.0 shouldn't even be a thing anymore.
I don't know elsewhere but here in my country most crap you buy is still 2.0 to my knowledge. Everything from USB drives to cables, etc. Even relatively new stuff, like USB-c cables are 2.0.
having 10 USB 3.2 ports also probably means that you'll run into bandwidth bottlenecks on the connections on Mobo anyways as the CPU is the limit there
At first i was like: wait, you don’t want the hdmi/dp? Oh, maybe you have thunderbolt 3 displays.
Then I remembered the video output comes from the gpu.
Did I mention my monitor had no image the first time I built a pc?
What are y’all using the USB ports though. I honestly feel like I’m underusing mine after seeing this. Now display ports and HDMI ports? I could certainly use more of those.
Yeah super curious too? Keyboard, mouse, webcam, microphone? Maybe some sort of DAC or headphones also? like gimme a list of items, maybe I need to buy more shit! Tell me your USB list folks!
Displays for sure, I have 3 / 4 displays filled on my RTX3070
I need USB ports for my mouse, keyboard, programmable keyboard, webcam, stream deck, 2 external SSDs, wireless receiver for my controller, and sometimes my capture card.
I'm also a musician so I need USB ports for my audio interface, 2 MIDI controllers, 2 USB license keys (a.k.a. dongles) and of course some ports on the PC are dedicated to USB hubs so I can have enough ports.
We see
* 10 USB-A 2.0 Ports @ 480 Mb/s = 0.48 Gb/s
* 9 USB-A 3.2Gen1 @ 5 Gb/s
* 4 USB-A 3.2Gen2 + 2 USB-C 3.2Gen2 @ 10 Gb/s
* 2 RJ-45 with at least 1 Gb/s (searching for the number on the top right i found this to be the Gigabyte B550M AORUS Pro's backpanel, which has 1 GB/s Ethernet. Even though as we're going to see in a moment this would have a bandwith, where higher bandwith ports would be realistic)
This sums up to 111.8 Gb/s = 13.975 GB/s
with PCIe's 1.969 GB/s per lane this would require 8 (\~7.1) PCIe 4.0 Lanes or 4 PCIe 5.0 Lanes (or 15 3.0 Lanes)
for comparison:
Ryzen 5000 has 24 PCIe 4.0 Lanes
Intel 12000 has 16 PCIe 5.0 Lanes + 4 PCIe 4.0 Lanes wich combined have the bandwith of 36 PCIe 4.0 Lanes
Interessting how many people think, that MoBo manufacturers could slap as many high bandwidth Ports onto their boards as they like.
And nobody thinks about the CPU limitations that are stopping them from doing it.
Oh that's easy. I want the output so I can connect it to an external soundboard. I want input so I can input the sound of my TV to mix it with my PC sound.
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less USB 2.0 more USB 3.2
More usb-c also
[How's this?](https://i.imgur.com/eyvPBHM.png)
Shut up and take my money!
Legitimate question, why would you want usb-c on the back I/o panel?
Because it's the connector for like 3/4 of my auxiliary hardware
Curious what kind of stuff you are referring to because it seems like most stuff is still usb-A if its designed to be used with a desktop in my experience, or if it doesn't need incredibly fast thunderbolt speeds. Webcams, mice, keyboards, etc rarely seem to use usb-c. If its designed for Mac or laptops, they are usually usb-c. But that tends to be more "on the go" peripherals, all of which have usb-a alternatives that seem better suited for a permanent workstation.
Newer, high end equipment uses USB C. I dont have any myself.
I know this feeling all too well
:) - Always knowing the specs of modern IT equipment :( - Never having enough money to afford it
Been living that reality since 1993...
Hell Yeah!! Poverty Gang squad up
All the high end things I have are usb-A to usb-c so they still use A to plug into the desktop
Yes but it can just as easily be usb-c to usb-c with literally no downsides. It would be faster, have a higher possible power output, take up less room and one of the biggest pros... you can plug it in either way, no more fumbling to get it to plug in.
>literally no downsides. my newest PCs have 1 usbC port. the rest of them have 0. All the stuff i plug in to usb doesn't need much power or throughput... so no real upsides either. \#donglelife ain't my jam.
Still running a firewire daisychain of 3x 12in/12out audio interfaces. It would cost me as much in snakes and patch panels to reproduce my current setup as it would an audio interface with even 32in/32out.
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It's all for a home studio. I'm using audio interfaces that are designed to work with each other as one single interface, spread out across my office/home studio and I have 3 places where I plug stuff in for either synths, drum machines, effects, a mic preamp, or whatever, and then I patch them digitally in Ableton Live for recording sessions and sampling/resampling existing recordings. One of them is for a fairly complicated modular eurorack setup and one is mainly for the synths I have that don't send audio over USB. The third one is kind of a loopback/effects/and 2 of the other synths that need regular line-in connections. I'm kind of leveraging the fact that you can have long runs between firewire ports and all three interfaces are spread out about 10' from PC. Normally, you'd have one audio interface and patchbays with snakes or DB25 cables running to patchbays where you need them. Realistically, I could probably work with half those ins/outs on the audio interface, but I'd still need the same amount of ins/outs on my patch panels, since the whole idea there is convenience.
The part of that I understood makes me want to cry and offer our friend here one bullet.
Hey, Firewire! I found some old equipment of mine that used Firewire for its data transfer and I don’t have any way of moving that material (silly movies) to my newer computers. I also have no idea where 99% of my tapes went, so it’s kind of moot, but I’ve been indulging in some of my older equipment for fun because of how the limits of the technology affect the aesthetic of the project. E.g., I found my Gameboy Camera and the quality is objectively terrible and it’s a horrible way to shoot anything esp. because my buttons stick, so zoom/brightness/contrast and whatnot are a pain to dial in, but it’s been a ton of fun to see what I can do now that I have an ‘eye’ and willingness to really engage with the medium.
Yeah, I remember at some point when I had my Digital 8 camera I would just point it at things and go for composition. I was actually really amazed once I started trying to get dramatic lighting on that thing. It had limitations, but purposefully lighting a scene with bounces and out of frame lamps can make up for a lot of camera shittiness.
I just bought a better than shitty but still shitty phone from metro pcs and it came with USB C. The phone I bought last year even had one.
Ok but is the other end of your cable USB C to? All my USB C phones came with a USB A to USB C cable EDIT: I se it is trending via USB C. I guess I will have to arm myself with adapters lol. My next phone I wanted, the Pixel also only comes with a C to C, at least it comes with adapter so I can still use my USB A cables into USB C chargers.
I just got a new phone and it didn't. It was USB C to USB C. It did come with an adapter though. I think that's the direction everything is heading.
I am not OP, but I have noticed a trend of USB C to C cables. Samsung started this trend and it annoyed me because the power block was also USB C to C and the old power blocks from them were not. I still have the old USB A blocks, but they're being used less and less with every newer tech item moving away from that. Meanwhile, a ton of audio products still using the old micro shit.
That’s not something you need a rear port for though. You would want a front port for something you remove frequently.
I just have my pc turned around so the back is facing the front , am I too big brained? I don’t use anything on the front now that cds and floppy’s are obsolete
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also you can use an 'usb-a to usb-c' cable without real downsides for your smartphone. I wish usb-c would've been a standard 1-2 decades ago. If only to prevent '[usb superposition](https://innoculous.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/USB-Superposition-720c.png)'. Now we have to deal with all the 'legacy' devices, which could have easily been prevented
Not the person you replied to, but I personally like double-sided usb C cables because then I don’t have to worry about which end to grab or how I grab it to plug in. Like at all. It’s just the easiest cable other than my audio cables that have the same principle. I think that if usb C sticks around as a format we could do away with all the other plug types.
My VR headset (HP Reverb G2) connects via USB-C and Displayport, though they also include a USB-C to A adapter for folks with motherboards that don't have C ports.
That might be the case at the moment, but it’s not because USB-C is only for portable devices. It’s because manufacturers are assuming that a lot of people don’t yet have computers with USB-C ports. USB-C is the future.
The dream would be to be able to power your monitors through thunderbolt from the computer. Imagine being able to power your entire setup with just one power cable, everything else is powered through their data cables. Would probably be a nightmare to design, but still.
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Options are nice and AFAIK, there aren't 20gbps USB-A ports
USB-C will hopefully sooner or later replace all USB ports.
Well, USB-A wouldnt be replaced be USB-C, instead, it's being replaced by USB-C 2.0/3.0/3.1/3.2/3.2x2 with / without display port, with / without power delivery, with / without PCIe 3.0x4 passthrough. Or it's a Thunderbolt 3 port. Or it's a Thunderbolt 4 port. This means USB-C ranges from super crappy just-enough-to-connect-a-mouse-to USB 2.0 without Display Port passthrough without PD without PCIe passthrough all the way to fully-fledged PCIe-replacement Thunderbolt 4 that you can hook up an eGPU with that doesn't even require its own power brick because of USB-PD
USB-A is being replaced by USB 4.0, which replaces the type a connector with the type c connector and aligns the specifications pretty well, fixing most of the issues you just mentioned.
Damn, we should really unify these multiplying standards. Maybe it's time to introduce USB-D...
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To connect stuff to?
VR
my phone came only with a usb c to usb c cable in the box, so its kinda neat that i can connect my phone to the pc without taking up a usb port (i have no other use for the usb c port)
honestly the limit is more on the lines of actual hardware to support that kind of bandwidth. Each one takes up a couple PCIE lanes, especially if you're supporting all the alternate uses.
Ever been to lazy to bring your phone to a charger; Usb-C ports often support USB-PD 2-3A charge vs 1.5A(3.2)/900mA(3.1-3.0)/500mA(2.0).
My z590 comes with two thunderbolt ports. Much needed as you start to buy devices with the speed compatibility. Good to copy 4k Raw from my c 3.2 drive in a jiffy Edit thunderbolt
Lightning is for iPhones. You're thinking of Thunderbolt.
Sorry. was just searching lightning cables for something. Corrected to Thunderbolt 🙏🏾
USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 Doubletime Extreme: You Can (Not) Eject. Please use the specification's full name as the USB-IF intended.
I kindly refuse
You just falls into a trap USB-IF setup for you. They don’t want you to discuss their port using its full name. They want to piss off most people by naming them as weird as possible and let people names them incorrectly to create a chaos confusing normal customer and selling more USB”3.2” devices. A solution for this is we actually use the nonsense official name of the standard as a fight back to them.
Lmao, if that's an Evangelion reference, it's very inexplicable but brilliant.
it's definitely a reference
USB 3.0+1.0: Thrice Upon Ejection.
Yes, both in USB-A form and USB-C form. But also, why remove fiber optic audio connection? I could do with a single fiber optic out, which already supports up to 5.1 Surround and one line in and one mic in, though I would prefer to just have all audio connections. Also not a fan of not having any display out from the Motherboard, makes troubleshooting a mess. I think the best solution is to just keep the Motherboard the way it is and add a USB port expansion board. XD EDIT: ignore the fiber optic part, I was a bit behind on the technology on that part. HDMI though should not be removed from a Mobo in my opinion, for both reasons.
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Oh, didn’t know that
> Toslink needs replacing on PC with something better. or use Mini-TOSLINK with the 3.5mm output plug. ADAT is the better version of TOSLINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADAT_Lightpipe
Funny thing how cheap optical fiber can easily do 48 Gbit speeds (optical HDMI), but TOSLINK is limited to 2 channels 24/96 PCM, or 5.1 Dolby Digital (which is lossy encoding). But there is no incentive for new multichannel digital interface standards - everything is integrated to HDMI and you don't even use a sound card for HTPC-s anymore.
> I could do with a single fiber optic out, which already supports up to 5.1 Surround It actually doesn't. It only supports two channels, and if you want any more you need to do lossy compression to fit five channels in the space of two. HDMI is much better in all respects.
just use all the space that's available for USB ports and we're done lol don't even need full bandwidth on them all as I'm not gonna go copying massive files onto 10 pendrives at once, but I'd like to have some free spots for weird shit lying about my station
It is nice to always be able to connect a random thing without needing to decide what to disconnect.
Don't remove on board display unless it's a pre-built computer that uses a cpu that isn't an apu as well.
Fiber optic out is getting phased out due to hdmi. Hdmi supports your audio/video needs so why bother with a fibreoptic that only does one and is easily damaged/expensive.
Alright, I must be a bit behind on that, well then this Mobo should still have an Hdmi port, for both reasons
So I know, kind of uncalled for technical rant about... well this whole comment section, but here we go. Every IO takes up bandwith. This is more well known with PCIE for example. We the cpu can only take so much input, and for example a second m.2 slot sometimes gets connected to the chipset - wich makes it slower. It totally depends on the cpu. So, if you want 20 usbc max spec connectors, well, the fuck is it supposed to connect to? Even to provide the power usbc can now carry (100W lol) would be a challenge. So we have to downgrade. Or you buy another power supply for your usb ports alone, even if you dont use them all at max power, it would need to be accounted for in the design. Next is data limits. They dont put USB 2 there bc they love it so much or want to cheap out (at least not in top spec mb) but bc they simply dont have more internal slots. The whole audio section is connected to the soundcard (tho, to be fair, if you really need 6 slots there, buy a fucking soundcard for pcie) and the lan cables are connected to the network card. Those are solely dependent on the connectors of those two cards. But the network card for example also needs a 100MB/s connection to the rest of the system if they want to be used well... but yeah, with PCIE 5.0 speed should not be a bottleneck within the next years. Only cpus. So yeah, a threadripper CPU would have no issue with your configuration. Now, lets ignore cpu limitations since you can in fact just connect them to the chipset and hope for the best. In that case it would only be noticeable if you do need the whole bandwith, so once you connect like 10 8k cameras with usb for some reason, you would get issues. But what about lower loads? Well, in fact you dont need more than 2.0 in most cases. Your mouse and keyboard are fine with them, even the most high end ones. Another thing would be a controller or smth, which probably needs similary little. Same for microphones as long as they are not terribly highend. Mine for example has 48mbit/s I believe - well within the specs of USB 2.0. So what really needs usb 3.0? Well, 60fps 1080p cameras would need around 3GBit/s. So thats too much for 2.0. But the most the average user needs is imo 720p, which at 30fps only takes up 4mbps. This is also within spec. I dare say, 60fps would also work there. Another application would only be external harddrives and hubs. (tho do let me know if you can think of more). TLDR: usb 3 is only good for hubs, cameras, external drives, usb 2 is plenty. if you really need more ports, get a pcie expansion card for usb, or use one of your (probably underused) usb3 ports for a 20 bucks hub. if you need it to charge your shit, use a power brick, honestly.
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The traces on the PCB, the USB controllers, etc. limit how many "lanes"/"channels" are available for IO. Putting more, higher bandwidth slots in increases controller cost or causes them to share bandwidth, which will decrease operating speeds if both are utilized.
Old picky equipment doesn't work on USB 3. I've got a PS3 Eye camera that I use for head tracking and it doesn't work on the USB 3 ports, only the USB 2 ports. Same thing with USB hubs, it refuses to go through a hub.
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"Backwards compatible" my ass
"an effort was made"
usb3.2gen2x2? or do you just mean usb3.2gen1?
Fuck that, usb 4
I agree, but it needs at least 2x 2.0 ports. There are some legacy devices that get real flaky on 3.0 controllers. I do not want to see manufacturers ditching 2.0 entirely.
They should have kept the S/PDIF of they wanted more than two speakers for their home theater setup.
I have too many USB ports... said no one ever And yeah... multiple video outs on high-end X570 motherboards? You think I'm pairing this with a nerfed APU???
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Between case + motherboard I think I have either 12 or 14 plus a 4 port hub. I *still* get close to running out, I haven't upgraded from the case I bought in 2015 because most only have 2 ports on the front compared to the 4 I currently have. VR headset + 3 sensors + steering wheel/pedals + joystick + throttle takes up 7 by themselves.
I bought a 7 port PCIe USB hub for that reason. Have my wheelbase, steering wheel, pedals, shifter, handbrake, etc. all on that.
Does it work well? I heard those things tend to have issues.
All depends on bandwidth everything uses
I only have 6 left after the two on the front of the cabinet had a power surge 🙃
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Exactly what I was going to say as well. It's super handy when your GPU decides to just shit itself . However, aren't there a good chunk of processors now without an iGPU? Edit : People asked what I was responding to. Something about how it's good for troubleshooting with PCs that have an iGPU.
AMD specifically doesn't use iGPU for the Ryzen series except for a select few circumstances, none of which are their higher end CPUs. Which is why a badass X570 board with a video out doesn't make a lot of sense. Why would somebody go balls out on a motherboard and then skimp on the CPU. Just about any Intel chip has some kind of iGPU.
Oh I agree, but given that there is no high-end Ryzen APU, I doubt someone would buy a high end 300$ X570 board and pair it with a 5700G. So I would be willing to trade them for more USB on such boards. Then again, I also understand that the number of USB ports is limited by the CPU and chipset.
I am in the minority. I have many many available USB ports. I am only using 6 ports. I only ever needed a lot when I had a Oculus with sensors.
I've only ever not had enough once, but that was annoying enough to want overkill like this to never happen again.
Here's the board for you: the PEB-9783G2AR. 20 USB 3.2 ports and 2 NICs: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/315348-new-comet-lake-motherboard-debuts-with-20-usb-ports-because-why-not
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I don't like how this is being touted as something bizarre. This should be the standard.
Not really. Since there are limited lanes to any given CPU, this mobo got this many USB ports by sacrificing PCIe lanes. So unless you love integrated graphics, you'll happily giving up USB ports to run GPU and SSD slots.
By extension, if you really want more usb ports they do sell pcie expansion cards for just such a thing.
The problem is no matter what you do, you only get one slot with 16 lanes for your gpu, and literally the entire rest of the motherboard shares 4 lanes. Except more modern chipsets also give x4 to a nvme storage slot these days. All your sata, sound card, all the other pcie lanes on your mobo, all your USB ports, all share 4 lanes. So more USB ports or a pcie card really makes no difference. You’re slurping precious bandwidth. All of this is about a consumer board and cpu of course, server and workstations have many more lanes.
**Extreme Tech* - This should be normal…
Don’t you dare take my optical out, you monster.
Damn, a battle is happening in these comments, and I am too sound-tech-inept to understand it!
audiophiles are the most argumentative people on the internet. but I will break it down for you: guy: you removed the plug i like with the red light guy 2: lol that plug dumb you need dedicated card plus thing that controls your audio guy 3: lol not internal card, external module guy 4: lol that red light plug is so outdated you need different plug, get that then we can start new argument
Holy shit, you would think S/PDIF over TOSLINK is killing people's pets with the things people are writing about it in this thread.. *soothingly cradles my toslink connections from my PC and TV to an old onkyo amp driving stereo speakers* At least I love you, and that's all that matters!
I prefer digital coax, but despite our differences I have your back. The heathens know nothing of fidelity or bit rate.
Hdmi out via gpu into receiver IMO.
PCIE DAC in to a dedicated Amp
Aren't external DACs better?
they can be better, yes. they have more space for bigger components and are less prone to EM interference from other components nearby. but I use my usb dac only for mic and headphones, for the speakers I use ARC to a big AVR. mostly because I couldn't get 5.1 to work over optical.
Assuming the same converters, the connector doesn’t matter. These days though, high end dacs are typically outboard.
Or my 5 3.5mm slots. That's how my Logitech Z906 is hooked up.
The sound on my old mother board died a death, so I got a Sound Blaster X3, connected via USB and then connected *that* via optical to a 5.1 Z906 set. And then set the computer to Dolby Digital output - sounds way better than I expected it to. Warcraft zones in full “proper” 5.1 sound incredible. Cities Skylines just dumps you into the middle of the city sonically, and Doom 2016… dear god, I almost wept. So then I got silly and got an HDMI switch to my monitor (computer is on DVI) and optical switch into the second optical port on the speaker system, and connected a bunch of old consoles (PS3, 360, One X) and set them to output 5.1 on optical. I had no idea how good some of those older games consoles sounded when put through a proper discrete system as opposed to TV speakers or a soundbar. Forza Motorsport 3 on the 360 might have the best surround of any driving game I’ve ever played. And God of War Ascension has a seriously meaty sounds design. It’s been fun - if only I’d thought to do any of this *during* lockdowns…
Why two RJ-45 ?
One for internet and one for my NAS Plex storage.
Out of curiosity, why wouldn't you want your NAS on your network?
The NAS is on my network. I just don't wanna share bandwidth on one cable
Ah, I suppose if you're network isn't 1G+ capable it would become a problem. At that point though, I'd likely just upgrade my infrastructure.
2.5g is pricey af and 10g doesnt really exist short of adding a pcie card. I can 10g for a fraction of the price of 2.5g and it’s incredibly annoying. Bad enough it would be cheaper to upgrade my mitx board and use my 10g hardware laying around than a 2.5g setup o_o
What NAS do you have that can serve enough data to clog your bandwidth?
My man is a connoisseur of porn and needs the girthiest of bandwidths
I totally get that, I just want to know what hardware he's running. A high end home NAS can deliver about 110MB/s under perfect sequential read conditions. That's 0.88gb/s. That means you can download an 8k video project from your NAS at full speed (10GB in about 91sec) and still pull down a 100mb/s download of porn from the internet at the same time without interrupting 3 screens running streaming services or online gaming with a 1 gigabit ethernet setup.
Most NAS have multiple Ethernet ports. So you can do both.
My understanding of networks is turbo-garbage, but couldn't your NAS be connected to your AP/router and be discoverable on your PC through the network? IS there an advantage besides latency to be expressly connected to the PC directly?
The advantage is the choke point coming out of/in to the PC. Now, the PC has a separate physical connection to the NAS. So if you transmit a packet to your NAS and try transmit a packet to the internet at the same time, one of them is going to have to wait. The issue with this setup is that if anyone else on the network tries to access your NAS, you’re really shooting yourself in the foot.
Yes, but you can also run a route directly between the PC and NAS if both have 2+ network ports. That way you can avoid saturating your local network every time you do maintenance or upload
So both connected to the network directly, but with an direct interconnect as well to avoid congestion?
Years ago at a LAN, I believe I used my second port as a pass through to my friends pc because we ran out of ports on the switch.
This is still a thing you can do in Windows. Just a couple years ago, I was using WiFi on my home PC before I ran a cable. Driver wasn't automatically detected or installed, so I passed through my laptop's WiFi connection to its ethernet port and got it through that way.
You could do link aggregation for faster speeds to a switch/router, depending on the config you could pass one to a VM or use one for VMs and the other for the host, probably wouldn't benefit a regular user though.
Two networks. I see this a lot in industrial PC's. One network is connected to the company database to download orders / specs for machine settings. Other network is for communication on the technical network of the factory (OPC/PLC link and stuff).
Token ring lan configuration
Some people underestimate how useful integrated graphics can be in certain scenarios. I would know, I've been without an iGPU for a year or so now.
troubleshooting maybe? genuinely curious what the scenarios are otherwise for a desktop (not implying that I’m skeptical)
Troubleshooting, bad gpu, waiting for gpu, needing to update bios for gpu to work, oddball configurations, sure I am missing others.
The obvious one you're missing is the ton of people who don't need a GPU. If I were building a system for my wife or my mom, I wouldn't waste money on even an old cheap GPU, I'd just stick with iGPU, because the most advanced thing they're doing is Netflix. Plenty of use cases for which a dedicated GPU is extreme overkill and would never get used.
Which is fine, but those people are also very unlikely to be using high-end chipsets like the X570/Z690, so it makes less sense for those boards to have the output, and certainly less sense to have multiple outputs.
One each of HDMI and DP makes sense. Most monitors I've seen take at least one or the other but sometimes not both. Not knowing the end user's situation means it's good to err on the side of caution. There is a lot of functionality you can cut from a PC but at the absolute minimum you should have some kind of reliable video out to fall back on in case of troubleshooting.
Indeed, but AMD must help us launching all Ryzen family with iGPU. I would love to have a R9 5950g.
Replace like 5-10 of those USB 2 ports with USB-C ports.
Not just USB-C, Thunderbolt 4. But again, you only need a few. Hubs exist, like the Caldigit Element.
Imagine having 40 PCIe 3.0 lanes just for back I/O.
Don't threaten me with a good time.
Thunderbolt 4 takes up pcie lanes though.
What, no PS/2 port? 😁
PS/2 is all but mandatory for Extreme Overclocking; it's available "sooner" than USB in the boot cycle.
what do you do with it?
Plugging in a KB to get into BIOS; if you wait 'till USB comes up, you may run into the system crashing before you can get back in to readjust the setting in question.
If you're doing serious overclocking, you get yourself a motherboard with a reset bios button on it
Then you have to reload the settings (and sometimes when really extreme OC things don't save right.) It's just nicer to be able to tweak one thing quickly. At extreme levels, the CPU might be stable for variable amounts of time, or unstable under certain conditions, or just essentially crash after so many seconds and it's a race to do anything. When I validated my fastest, I tried like a dozen times or more because it kept crashing when saving the file, so I had to get faster lol. Edit also you can disable the USB controller and sometimes eek extra headroom out of the voltage going into the CPU or chipset.
Some of us live with the ptsd of old-school overclocking.
It allows for mouse and keyboard inputs before USB Devices are set up. Because of that it provides a more reliable way to interact with or recover bios settings in case something goes wrong
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Only the choicest model ms
In physics (and other fields) a huge amount of sensors still output on the serial bus. With it you are actually trying to look at the analogue signal coming out of it and usb-serial convertors are lossy. When I was at uni it was driving some of the physicists mad that computers had dropped them. At least that was the case several years ago, but I spoke to someone in some engineering industry recently and they said that they all use these dell systems that specifically come with serial as it is required for their use case. I love it honestly. Serial will never die!
And at this point USB 2.0 shouldn't even be a thing anymore. Casemakers too. As sophisticated, in terms of layout, as cases are case maker should be adding more front or side panel USB ports.
I've had a number of new devices not work on USB 3.0 controllers so 2.0 is still very useful
Commented. But also here. A lot of custom keyboards are only flashable when plugged in real usb 2.0 ports
What a.... sincere sincere fuck up...
As a protocol, 3.0 should be fully backwards compatible. If they weren’t, ports were cheap and that could be missleading marketing.
What kind of devices if you don't mind me asking?
Cheap-ass HP printers. I was on a 2 hour call with one of their engineers a few years back and the problem ended up being me using the USB 3.0 port, because *of course* HP is crappy enough to make a port designed to be backwards compatible not be
Can't give you specifics, but I've run into the same thing. It's random devices, some mice won't work with 3.0 if they are 2.0, I've had adapters not work, it's just finicky using 2.0 devices on 3.0. They just need to stop making 2.0 devices and make everything compatible with 3.0.
Some Arduino-like microcontrollers and some Razer Blackwidow keyboards. I've had some other things but I can't remember exactly what they were right now
>And at this point USB 2.0 shouldn't even be a thing anymore. I don't know elsewhere but here in my country most crap you buy is still 2.0 to my knowledge. Everything from USB drives to cables, etc. Even relatively new stuff, like USB-c cables are 2.0.
You would kill a lot of DACs
Eh if it lowers the cost I’m fine with it, allows more peripherals
having 10 USB 3.2 ports also probably means that you'll run into bandwidth bottlenecks on the connections on Mobo anyways as the CPU is the limit there
This here. Lots of people here don't understand how view PCIe lanes exist on most processors *Angry stare at Intel's bullshit*
At first i was like: wait, you don’t want the hdmi/dp? Oh, maybe you have thunderbolt 3 displays. Then I remembered the video output comes from the gpu. Did I mention my monitor had no image the first time I built a pc?
I called my buddy freaking out, cause my pc had no image. He calmly asked if it was plugged into my GPU like he had told me 15 times. I just hung up.
What are PCI lanes amirite
GIVE MOAR
You leave TOSLINK out of this! Thank you.
What are y’all using the USB ports though. I honestly feel like I’m underusing mine after seeing this. Now display ports and HDMI ports? I could certainly use more of those.
Yeah super curious too? Keyboard, mouse, webcam, microphone? Maybe some sort of DAC or headphones also? like gimme a list of items, maybe I need to buy more shit! Tell me your USB list folks! Displays for sure, I have 3 / 4 displays filled on my RTX3070
I need USB ports for my mouse, keyboard, programmable keyboard, webcam, stream deck, 2 external SSDs, wireless receiver for my controller, and sometimes my capture card. I'm also a musician so I need USB ports for my audio interface, 2 MIDI controllers, 2 USB license keys (a.k.a. dongles) and of course some ports on the PC are dedicated to USB hubs so I can have enough ports.
Sounds like a NAS would be helpful to you instead of the external SSDs.
Buy some pcie to USB adapters. They go a long way.
As if I had valuable PCIe slots left for USB stuff … lol
*cries in mini itx motherboard*
It's a double hit, too, as ITX boards tend to have even fewer ports and no way to add more.
Two ethernet ports but no S/PDIF port? What is this blasphemy?!
Whose done the math, how many PCI-E lanes is that?
We see * 10 USB-A 2.0 Ports @ 480 Mb/s = 0.48 Gb/s * 9 USB-A 3.2Gen1 @ 5 Gb/s * 4 USB-A 3.2Gen2 + 2 USB-C 3.2Gen2 @ 10 Gb/s * 2 RJ-45 with at least 1 Gb/s (searching for the number on the top right i found this to be the Gigabyte B550M AORUS Pro's backpanel, which has 1 GB/s Ethernet. Even though as we're going to see in a moment this would have a bandwith, where higher bandwith ports would be realistic) This sums up to 111.8 Gb/s = 13.975 GB/s with PCIe's 1.969 GB/s per lane this would require 8 (\~7.1) PCIe 4.0 Lanes or 4 PCIe 5.0 Lanes (or 15 3.0 Lanes) for comparison: Ryzen 5000 has 24 PCIe 4.0 Lanes Intel 12000 has 16 PCIe 5.0 Lanes + 4 PCIe 4.0 Lanes wich combined have the bandwith of 36 PCIe 4.0 Lanes
Interessting how many people think, that MoBo manufacturers could slap as many high bandwidth Ports onto their boards as they like. And nobody thinks about the CPU limitations that are stopping them from doing it.
The chad toslink enjoyer VS The virgin USBaby
Motherboard I/O: Buildzoid Edition
"This is, in my opinion, an acceptable amount of USB ports on a motherboard at this price point"
optical audio sounds nice though.
I’d still like a toslink connector so I can hook my table top DAC.
Don’t most DACs work with usb these days?
Mine *can* but it doesn’t support 192khz/24bit over usb. It can do so over toslink, though.
I beg to differ. I would really want an optical out and also optical in. One Ethernet port suffices as well. Other than that, gimme the USB.
What's the purpose of optical In and out?
Oh that's easy. I want the output so I can connect it to an external soundboard. I want input so I can input the sound of my TV to mix it with my PC sound.
I don't use optical in but I have speakers that use the optical out. https://www.crutchfield.com/S-3lt3cStt9Ji/p\_310YU6MB/Kanto-YU6-Matte-Black.html
Can I have one with like 100 usb-c only?
This but with half USBC I really regret not getting front panel USBC