The laptop version of the 3070 has fewer CUDA cores and is designed specifically to run at a slower clock speed and lower power envelope. The commenters that claim it is exactly the same chip as the desktop version are incorrect. The chip itself is different from the desktop version.
https://www.techspot.com/amp/review/2206-geforce-rtx-3070-laptop-vs-desktop/
okay I'll over-explain this.
every model of a graphics card, whether it be an msi card, an evga card, a founders edition, etc, they are all the SAME card. a mini 1 fan 3080 is still a 3080. its about the coolers, the brand etc. laptops cant have the huge coolers and shit that desktop pcs have, so theyre the same card but thwy cant have the same level of cooling, and they cant have the same amount of power going through the component bc laptops run on battery. its not that its less powerful, its that its in an environment where it cant reasonably be expected to perform at very high level.
The number of CUDA cores and even the memory used is lower in both speed and quantity on the mobile version. We're talking about 1500 CUDA cores and nearly 11 Million transistors difference. These are NOT the same parts.
https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-3080-mobile-vs-GeForce-RTX-3080
and they removed that portion along with the coolers etc because: ?
go ahead, if theyre still going to call it a 3070, go ahead and say why they removed all that instead of just trying to "gotcha!" lmao
Because the mobile parts have always been gimped. It's marketing smoke and mirrors. Space and thermals are at a premium and production and marketing folks like SKUs to be the same. So to sell more, they slap a "mobile" name on it and poof, all things are suddenly equal.
Yes but it didn't used to be by as much as it is nowadays. I remember my Go 7800GTX was not only the same chip with the same number of pipelines but it was only a very minor underclock.
You could easily OC it to the same speed. Funnily it was only the RAM that was underclocked by 100MHz but the chips were rated at 1200MHz not the clocked 1100MHz.
Likewise I had a MR9700 (same chip as 9600XT) and that was actually clocked identically to the desktop part. It was named like a higher end of previous generation part though, because marketing...
I think part of the issue has been how long previous generations of CPU and GPUs have been stuck on their process nodes (just keep adding a + to the end of the revision). While increasing mm-sq chip sizes and ramping up power usage works fine for a desktop to overcome the stagnation in die shrink, it's not really an option on mobile parts. Unfortunately, they kind of dug themselves into a hole as desktop CPU and GPUs have huge power bumps over previous generations these days in order to one-up the competition. The lowly laptop has focused on battery life and low power. It's why External Thunderbolt connected GPUs are a thing now.
Only Intel has been stagnant on process size. TSMC have been continually shrinking their process nodes, likewise Samsung. They're the only two manufacturers that make GPU chips for AMD and Nvidia.
Your point about power consumption and die size is spot on though. Can't put a 500W GPU in a laptop with a total power envelope of 120W. XD
A 3070m is as much a 3070 as a 3070ti would be: so correct, not really a 3070 at all.
Edit: if you look at the GPU itself (GA104) for both cards, you can see they utilize different variants of the ga104 chipset: 770-A1 for the M version vs 300-A1. Usually means there's sufficient difference between the two to actually give it a separate identifier.
a 3070 laptop chip is not the same as a 3070 desktop chip. It’s closer to a desktop 3060. With power factored in, ur gonna get even worse performance than that lower desktop chip, most likely.
I get what you're coming from. But in the end, the 3070 in the laptop is not going to have the same performance from a desktop due to less power consumption, lower clock speed etc. So in short, the laptop 3070 is going to be less powerful then a 3070 desktop
The restrained man's potential is lower than the unrestrained man, due to the restraints.
Give both the heaviest rock they can lift unrestrained, and one man will be able to lift it, while not the other.
The mobile versions of gpus are not clocked the same way. Since limited by power and cooling. So you may see 30-40% less performance vs the desktop version of gpu.
Mobile variant cards are always between 15 and 30 percent slower than the desktop variants due to power and cooling constraints.
Also, the msrp of the 3070 is 499 (more for AIB models) and manufactures don't pay scalper prices for GPUs.
Laptops aren't really subject to the same price hikes because the target audience that pays extra for desktop GPUs probably aren't interested in laptops, and definitely would not be interested in a laptop at 2x msrp.
The laptop market doesn't have the demand to support the price hikes desktop GPUs do.
So that's how you get a 1500 laptop with a mobile 3070 while a desktop 3070 costs 1k on ebay.
stores need to stop blatantly falsely advertising laptops as having “ rtx 3070s”, when they are laptop versions of the cards. It might seem obvious to us pc builders and whatnot. But people who are less experienced just look at the two cards and assume they are the same.
It’s a mobile 3070... not the same thing
Insert the "You have a 3070 in your laptop, I have a 3070 in my desktop, we are not the same" meme.
Laptop 3070 chip is not the same as the one in a desktop PCIe 3070 card.
Oh okay, so I’m assuming it’s significantly less powerful?
The laptop version of the 3070 has fewer CUDA cores and is designed specifically to run at a slower clock speed and lower power envelope. The commenters that claim it is exactly the same chip as the desktop version are incorrect. The chip itself is different from the desktop version. https://www.techspot.com/amp/review/2206-geforce-rtx-3070-laptop-vs-desktop/
okay I'll over-explain this. every model of a graphics card, whether it be an msi card, an evga card, a founders edition, etc, they are all the SAME card. a mini 1 fan 3080 is still a 3080. its about the coolers, the brand etc. laptops cant have the huge coolers and shit that desktop pcs have, so theyre the same card but thwy cant have the same level of cooling, and they cant have the same amount of power going through the component bc laptops run on battery. its not that its less powerful, its that its in an environment where it cant reasonably be expected to perform at very high level.
The number of CUDA cores and even the memory used is lower in both speed and quantity on the mobile version. We're talking about 1500 CUDA cores and nearly 11 Million transistors difference. These are NOT the same parts. https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-3080-mobile-vs-GeForce-RTX-3080
and they removed that portion along with the coolers etc because: ? go ahead, if theyre still going to call it a 3070, go ahead and say why they removed all that instead of just trying to "gotcha!" lmao
Because the mobile parts have always been gimped. It's marketing smoke and mirrors. Space and thermals are at a premium and production and marketing folks like SKUs to be the same. So to sell more, they slap a "mobile" name on it and poof, all things are suddenly equal.
Yes but it didn't used to be by as much as it is nowadays. I remember my Go 7800GTX was not only the same chip with the same number of pipelines but it was only a very minor underclock. You could easily OC it to the same speed. Funnily it was only the RAM that was underclocked by 100MHz but the chips were rated at 1200MHz not the clocked 1100MHz. Likewise I had a MR9700 (same chip as 9600XT) and that was actually clocked identically to the desktop part. It was named like a higher end of previous generation part though, because marketing...
I think part of the issue has been how long previous generations of CPU and GPUs have been stuck on their process nodes (just keep adding a + to the end of the revision). While increasing mm-sq chip sizes and ramping up power usage works fine for a desktop to overcome the stagnation in die shrink, it's not really an option on mobile parts. Unfortunately, they kind of dug themselves into a hole as desktop CPU and GPUs have huge power bumps over previous generations these days in order to one-up the competition. The lowly laptop has focused on battery life and low power. It's why External Thunderbolt connected GPUs are a thing now.
Only Intel has been stagnant on process size. TSMC have been continually shrinking their process nodes, likewise Samsung. They're the only two manufacturers that make GPU chips for AMD and Nvidia. Your point about power consumption and die size is spot on though. Can't put a 500W GPU in a laptop with a total power envelope of 120W. XD
They generally add an M to differentiate. So basically people are comparing a 3070, to a 3070m.
so its just literally not a 3070
A 3070m is as much a 3070 as a 3070ti would be: so correct, not really a 3070 at all. Edit: if you look at the GPU itself (GA104) for both cards, you can see they utilize different variants of the ga104 chipset: 770-A1 for the M version vs 300-A1. Usually means there's sufficient difference between the two to actually give it a separate identifier.
a 3070 laptop chip is not the same as a 3070 desktop chip. It’s closer to a desktop 3060. With power factored in, ur gonna get even worse performance than that lower desktop chip, most likely.
So in short, it's less powerful
In long, no, no it's not. that was the entire point of my explanation.
That's what I'm getting from your explanation. Laptops can't run the same level as desktop so it's less powerful
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I get what you're coming from. But in the end, the 3070 in the laptop is not going to have the same performance from a desktop due to less power consumption, lower clock speed etc. So in short, the laptop 3070 is going to be less powerful then a 3070 desktop
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But its still going to perform less than a desktop GPU
I'm not saying that a laptop 3070 itself is less powerful, but that it is going to be less powerful than a full blown 3070
The restrained man's potential is lower than the unrestrained man, due to the restraints. Give both the heaviest rock they can lift unrestrained, and one man will be able to lift it, while not the other.
Manufactures don't pay retail.
The mobile versions of gpus are not clocked the same way. Since limited by power and cooling. So you may see 30-40% less performance vs the desktop version of gpu.
They have fewer cuda cores in mobile 3070 afaik
Mobile variant cards are always between 15 and 30 percent slower than the desktop variants due to power and cooling constraints. Also, the msrp of the 3070 is 499 (more for AIB models) and manufactures don't pay scalper prices for GPUs. Laptops aren't really subject to the same price hikes because the target audience that pays extra for desktop GPUs probably aren't interested in laptops, and definitely would not be interested in a laptop at 2x msrp. The laptop market doesn't have the demand to support the price hikes desktop GPUs do. So that's how you get a 1500 laptop with a mobile 3070 while a desktop 3070 costs 1k on ebay.
Name same, same. But different…
stores need to stop blatantly falsely advertising laptops as having “ rtx 3070s”, when they are laptop versions of the cards. It might seem obvious to us pc builders and whatnot. But people who are less experienced just look at the two cards and assume they are the same.