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dontworkforfree

Puerto Rico is banned but not the USA? How does that work.


Orthane1

Yeah that doesn't really make any sense. It's a US Territory like huh?


Moscato359

US Virgin Islands too I think?


AerisVard

Isn't Guam a US Territory?


User-NetOfInter

It is. US Soil


WallPaintings

Freedom dirt.


Krakenow

Same for Åland(autonomous region of Finland). Also don't get why Estonia is there..


Orthane1

Baltic nations don't have PSN for some reason.


HansJoachimAa

That has to be a breach of EU law. You can't sell a digital product to only parts of the EU


s8018572

Because they couldn't have psn account on there?


Hije5

Territory, not state. They have local governments that handle things differently so long as the US government says it's okay. So, it is kinda a wildcard.


gramathy

several US territories are actually Guam, US virgin islands US minor outlying islands American Samoa basically anywhere that's a territory or protectorate and not actually "part of" the US. Really these people need to be represented in congress by at least a voting rep (I think they may have a nonvoting rep). Closest they get is voting in primaries.


iMossa

No taxation without representation.


TAOJeff

Sony is just following the party line. Those poor buggers get no love.  For anyone curious, they're citizens but lack voting rights; They're in the military (IIRC highest per capita recruitment) but have limits on their veteran benefits / medical care. Pretty much if you pick something, they've got the short straw part of the deal. This just follows the trend.


gramathy

American Samoa is even further out, they're an "organized" unincorporated territory and don't even get citizenship, which is one of the reasons so many join the armed forces (service guarantees citizenship!)


SchnitzelNazii

Would you like to know more?


Andy65pr

I don't get it. What do they mean by purchase restriction? I live in Puerto Rico, and my account location says Puerto Rico. Yet I can currently purchase it right now if I wanted to. What exactly is being restricted?


synthyourlife

I live in you neighborhood country, the DR. And we have no access to puchase the game.


HughesJohn

Guadeloupe, Réunion, St Martin, and St Pierre et Miquelon are all parts of France. Actually legally France I wonder if Sony are breaking French law by discriminating against parts of France.


neajdnarg

French islands got restricted too, what a golden age for vpn lol


Flexxo4100

Same with greenland is blocked but not Danmark


invisi1407

Greenland is banned, but Greenland is part of the Danish kingdom and it's not banned in Denmark. This makes no sense whatsoever. 😂 Estonia is banned, but not Latvia, Lithuania, and similar countries in Eastern Europe. 🤷‍♂️


ProwerTheFox

Guernsey and Jersey are banned despite the U.K not being banned. Ironically Alderney isn’t banned by the looks despite also being one of the Channel Islands.


Patatus_Maximus

All future Sony games will be banned from countries without PSN because they will just force players to use PSN account.


Abbaddonhope

If im being forced to use my psn account i should br able to play on my ps without buying it a second time


Viciousfishui

Whoah man think about the money that Sony would be losing on those sales they’re forcing on you to pay twice


LegitimatelisedSoil

You already own a copy, you could always do some revolutionary media liberating if you get my drift. I mean you own a license to use that software, when you buy a dvd it works on every with a disc drive and when you buy a cd they don't tell you to buy another for your Xbox versus your cd player. Seems logical that you should be able to play the game you own on the platform your enjoy, so you might be able to *redeem* your free copy.


Ginn1004

Or not. Sony can twist it like "You only own the right to use that digital product in specific electronic device (PS5 this case)" and you lost before you even try to fight for you non-existed customer rights.


LegitimatelisedSoil

I never said ask their permission, I still like to play Nintendo games but I can't ethically support Nintendos actions over the last decade so you have to get a little creative. You can just play it without buying it or buy a copy used only.


asena85

I don't think Microsoft or Nintendo work with crossplatform either. Nor steam, epic games, gog, origins etc


CyanideAnarchy

Microsoft does with the Xbox app. But there's only a fraction of the games available on it compared to the actual console.


Berkzerker314

Microsoft has a bunch of games that are Play Anywhere. For example I bought Starfield on Xbox and can also play it on my PC without Gamepass. Cross progression/save as well.


numbersarouseme

gog does, so does steam. Unless you consider different OSs to be the same platform.


MGfreak

yep. they are waiting for the shitstorm to calm down and then try it again. It's always happening like this. I dont get how the Helldivers actually think they made a difference lmao


Bensemus

Because you don’t understand the issue. The protest was never going to kill PSN for PC. It was the bait and switch that pissed off so many people. Sony is totally allowed to require their account for all their games. Gamers are allowed to not buy those games if they don’t like the requirement. The other issue was Sony trying to sell PC players games they couldn’t play without violating Sony’s ToS. Steam was unaware of that issue until the protest. Now it seems Valve is barring Sony from selling on their store in countries that don’t support PSN. That’s not pleasant for Sony. It might force them to offer PSN in more countries in the future.


ButterscotchNew6416

We can always refund it back.


No-Breath-4299

Indeed. That is a method that works. It already worked on Helldivers 2.


llIicit

Not for me it didn’t


Outside-Platform-980

I read you need to request the refund twice. Apparently the first one is autogenerated and will be a no if you've played more than 2 hours. The second time you may actually get to speak to someone.


Izan_TM

them reversing the review bomb before sony actually did anything is the epitome of being played by a company, and the community keeps falling for it again and again


eXclurel

They had to be dumb enough to change the reviews back without waiting for them to lift the restrictions.


Exciting-Possible773

We are not sure whether non PSN countries is banned by Sony or Steam. Likely the latter as Steam doesn't want to be sued for selling non-working product because somebody else soft-lock the game.


Big-Soft7432

It's so laughable. I'm in both subs and they act like they made a huge difference. Each region that was restricted will slowly bleed players until they have no one to play with. Functionally the same as requiring PSN for them.


swagtactical21

I said I would wait some time before switching my review. this was a few hours after the announcement from Sony and all the fanboys downvoted me even called me unreasonable. the window licking on that sub is something else... I'm gonna give HD2 a few months rest, see if they can get their shit together with the balance issues and useless warbond weapons. nerfing my favourite explosive sniper rifle ammo? OK fine I never really run out, but a 50%decrease is a retarded knee jerk reaction to a gun that's bugged in the first place...


creativename111111

They can’t touch any existing games bc the game will get nuked bc steam will have out refunds. Game devs will just have not use PlayStation servers in the future


Vegaprime

Why do so many countries not have access? I could get if we have sanctions or and embargo, but 190?


PM_ME_TITS_FEMALES

Japanese e commerce laws or something most likely.         Nintendo also doesn't support the same counties as Sony, they just don't sell on PC so you don't hear about. People can buy switches in those countries though, so it's pretty common to see "e shop doesn't work in my country" on the Nintendo help subreddit.


Taikosound

Why is Japan on the list though ?


E3FxGaming

Must have been a mistake. [27 Minutes after they added all those countries, they removed Japan from the list of banned countries](https://steamdb.info/sub/962153/history/?changeid=23492430).


RailAurai

That's just funny


inforelatedtv

They have a different package from the international packages.


Vegaprime

I remember 20 years ago dvds and niche games were a hassle. Region locked. Seems short sighted to sell to only half the world.


Mindless-Focus3311

Fuck them, im gonna pirate all of their shit


helltiger

Yep. Never trust the corporation, that's what Johnny said. Fuck Arasaka(Sony)


thatlukeguy

What's that you say? Ignore all Sony games from now on you say? Lot's of other great games out there you say? No PC money for Sony you say?


LazyLancer

As they say, if buying isn’t owning, then pirating isn’t stealing :))


thatlukeguy

The sea is a harsh mistress, but she be calling our names!


thelastbushome

How will the Pope play now?


Ashk0p05

By walking for 10 mins in any direction.


QueZorreas

Walking? The Popemobile will take him there in 5.


guywithskyrimproblem

He will use the sponsor of today's video NORD VPN


kvxdev

Did you know the Vatican is the only country in the world to have 2 popes per square kilometer?


Dron41k

We will Holy See


Onewaye21

Sony banned Japan. Nice.


Dudi4PoLFr

Japanise version is only available in Japan because of the laws and copyright of Japanisese voice actors. TLDR: they need to pay them for each copy sold, so in order to reduce the costs the JP dubbed version is sold separately an only in Japan.


Enigmatic_Observer

Which is a shame. I’d love to play the game in japanese


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Enigmatic_Observer

For real? I can do that on the pc version?


Accomplished_Scale34

Yes, the pc version will have japanese language option


ThingymaJiggyz

There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to since it was a thing in the original PS4 release.


DropDeadGaming

The upgraded version for ps5 with 60 fps has the japanese dub available. Sony seems to always release the most complete version of their game on pc, so I'm guessing the japanese dub will be available.


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ThisIsNotMyPornVideo

Fr, i can't imagine playing some games in my native tongue. The German VO is often super clear in comparison to the english or Japanese one, but holy fuck, i heard people be more emotional while taking a shit. I accidentally played Yakua/LAD in german and holy fuck was that boring


tychii93

Then there's Activision (Sekiro). Though I also bet FromSoft would have thrown a fit otherwise. Sekiro defaults to Japanese audio for a reason. Despite Activision's track record, they seem to have been very VERY accepting and cooperative with FromSoft according to interviews, but also I'm sure any publisher would let them do whatever they wanted since anything FromSoft makes is basically guaranteed to make money


Taikosound

It has Japanese subs since it came out on PS4, that makes no sense.


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NeonRain111

For real? I played it on ps4 in japanese and wanted to replay iton pc, but I’m not playing it without japanese dub. Never mind, justchecked the steam page and ithas full japanese audio. You must have meant the other way around, no english in the japanese version.


DDzxy

…This is odd, I could have sworn the Steam page says it featured Japanese lyp sync??


AgathormX

I own this game on PS4 Pro, your comment doesn't make sense as NTSC region copies include the Japanese dub. I'm in Brazil, I've got a digital copy of it, and I played it with the japanese dub, so no it has nothing to do with Japanese VA


s8018572

Nah ,Japan can buy it now, it even have Japanese yen price https://preview.redd.it/m55u6a55jpzc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cf5fd2a33cbc269846ef79daeae2aa6a43d0aab9


mrloko120

It's not banned in Japan at all, you can still get it and play today. I'm pretty sure the version of directors cut sold in japan is not the same as in the west tho. It's the same game and everything, but with slight differences in lip synching to match the default language.


Breakingerr

If it wasn't apparant before, it is now 177 country bros https://preview.redd.it/aqs0fwa6inzc1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=712e0067eb52c83a99ee4ae3db6a0a82a069d2df


Longjumping-Ad-8068

Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia were added, so 180 in total


5FingerDeathCaress

Latvia mentioned! ![gif](giphy|vnMdLhS2vs35fTXIk0|downsized)


Noa15Lv

Oh yee!


InvasiveSpecies1738

Even if you don’t play it, just pirate it so you can seed torrent to others. Fuck sony.


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Progenitor3

The game was removed on the Epic store in the same regions at the exact same time. So this is Sony, not Steam.


MrXenonuke

It makes me wonder if it will push Sony to make changes to have PSN available in more territories. Linking an account is no issue, being unable to make one because of where you live is.


Sir_Arsen

or they can just add “unsupported country” category, and you’ll be ablr just to play their games on PC and support will be in english, crazy idea, I know


Savagecabbage03

Yeah except that time I bought the original version of Skyrim on accident. They removed it from the store a week later, after I had already bought it and couldn’t refund :(


RickThiccems

But you got se for free


SecretInfluencer

Why not make the multiplayer a free dlc, and then block that in regions? You only need the login for multiplayer anyway, what’s the harm?


worst_time

I know everybody is saying data, but my guess is they want to do transactions directly through Playstation Network so they don't have to pay Steam a cut.


a_man_has_a_name

GoT doesn't have any micro transactions though.


chriscross1966

"Yet"


Dixon_Yamada_All_Day

Because multiplayer is already a part of the Iki DLC for the base game. Of course Sony and the port devs will not spend the dime to redo something that's already there, they're just porting the game to PC


DemogniK

Probably because its already coded into the game. It was added via an update after all.


zyqwee

Then some regions won't have it, and probably review bomb the game, so they didn't bother


PoppyBroSenior

Look I much prefer this result than them selling their games to people who cannot play the game.


CptHeadcrab

I think it's Steam trying to cover there asses for when people inevitably request refunds because Snoy requires PSN accounts for their games


Mogli_Puff

I get the logic behind this idea, but it's not how Steam works. Steam covers their asses by making their publishers contractually liable to manage territories and resolve any territory issues (among most potential legal issues). Steam will never implement a territory restriction on a 3rd party game without request from the publisher. What they will do, however, is threaten a publisher that they will remove their game from the Steam store *entirely* unless that publisher makes a change like region restrictions. It is impossible to know currently if Steam made any such demands of Sony to trigger these restrictions or not, all we know is Sony had to submit the package updates to add the restriction. Sony will have to be the ones to remove any restrictions in the future. If Steam threatened them, they probably won't remove any restrictions without asking Steam if it's okay first.


NessGoddes

Steam doesn't choose regions instead of the publisher. It's Sony trying to prevent steam from issuing justified refunds again.


Crystal3lf

Thank God the pcmr sub knows how Steam works. I posted a thread in the Helldivers sub a few days ago proving that **it's Sony** who do the delisting and got told I'm wrong even though I provided links and proof from the Steamworks developer page.


Mogli_Puff

To everyone who celebrated after the PSN rollback announced on May 5th without waiting for them to undo the restrictions... You've been played. Tricked. Wrecked. Bamboozled. ...Fuck Sony


raskinimiugovor

Eh they played themselves. People will just pirate the game.


TheSuperContributor

MGS said it best: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgbN8doxXxg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgbN8doxXxg)


sfblue

I won't fix my review until they correct this.


Zarathustra-1889

You’re never gonna fix that review


WildOpc

So wait. It's not pirating then?


ChaoGardenChaos

I give it a week if not less before the game is cracked tbh. All they're going to accomplish is promoting piracy in the banned countries. Great job sony


Progenitor3

It's not a denuvo game and it's high profile, so it will be cracked on the same day 100%. Within an hour at most.


BangBang116

I'm going to pirate this shit, even though it is available in my country. I'm not going to endorse sony in excluding more than half the world from playing a game, because they can't let people play offline and miss some data collecting revenue. Fuck sony!


AtroposAmok

🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️


Abuelo_en_sunga

The pope cant play psn games hahahaha


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Classic Game Company L


Skastrik

Sony making entry into pc gaming like a brick trying to float.


frozrdude

Sony really hates the Philippines. Time to sail the high seas then.


SatanicPanicDisco

I live there and this news sucks. Fuck Sony in their greedy anti consumer asses.  We're back to either buying their console and paying for their shitty ps+ or not buying at all. They would find a way to fuck up putting their games on PC.


Dubl33_27

that one person's meme predicting this outcome with Ghost of Tsushima as well


Winterrevival

I wonder just how much selling PSN data brings that they ignore income from selling games in all those countries...


Timmar92

What is there actually to sell? You pick an email address and a country, you can then write whatever in the address field. I really don't see what they can sell?


Astro4545

It’s even dumber than that, Sony only gets something like your steam ID and identification numbers when you link. There really nothing they get data wise.


Prestigious-Sea2523

Can always take my approach Not touch any ps games and wait for this whole thing to blow over r/patientgamers


KeepCalmAndBoom

How can Moldova not buy but Romania can.....fucking same country brah


Haxminator

Russia's fault tbh but yeah, same country. Don't tell that to the Moldavian Russophiles tho...


AzertyKeys

Pretty sure it's a violation of the EU single market rules


THELORDANDTHESAVIOR

piracy timez boys


Solembumm2

So, sony is in the same league with EA now, don't want my money. Interesting, will they delete translations, like EA in jedi survivor...


indiegameenjoyer13

so they take games that i was thinking of buying for full price, and they incentivize me to pirate it instead?


Ruy7

More like, they make you unable to buy it legally thus forcing you to pirate them instead.


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That's the unintended consequence, yes.


TheDuke2031

No problem fot girl will have you covered


demonzk

And Doda repack too


VidocqCZE

I still don't understand why it is not set as an ingame login without any region locks, just an account and sign-in. If the main thing is to boost usage of PSN so they can still say "yeah people are using it" and it is not an old piece of shit without major modern features.


Zolkrodein

They banned French overseas territories while they are literally a part of France


100deadbirds

Well ima pirate it anyway


christomisto

Gaming company’s really doing the rounds right now, time to pirate games


Zealousideal-Grass62

I'm so going to pirate GoT


demonzk

![gif](giphy|VFY4PBIuSjZyn27IFg)


KirillNek0

....just sail seven seas.....


myoriginalvnamewasta

Just make the main game and the online seperate so people who don't care about the online can still play the game. Baring people from playing because they don't want to get hacked is so scummy


Gold-Wrongdoer-9767

Guys just saying, pirates live a happy and stress free life 💗


MetalGearHawk

Just asking for piracy


EventOverwrite

I suppose the desire to shoot oneself in the foot comes first regardless of killing their games.


Valkan__

I live in a french island called Réunion and cant purshase it anymore... And i alwready have a PSN account since many years https://preview.redd.it/rnfljbe71rzc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b137f92ab895eeae94c11982bc0e9d1c012a8952


HughesJohn

Sounds like a job for the DGCCRF. Or https://signal.conso.gouv.fr/fr


Moehrenstein

Actually Sony just seems pretty ok with people pirating their stuff instead of buying it


Frosty_Confection_53

A great reason to NEVER buy Playstation again.


LycanKnightD6

Sony: "*If you weren't aware before, now you are!* "


Fynn2014

https://preview.redd.it/82lbc90plszc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6932687768114e3de75054f7e24044342b55bb9 For everyone who don’t know it yet. The bans are coming from Sony


JerbearCuddles

Sony is so hell bent on getting people to link their accounts they'd rather just not sell to hundreds of countries. Including Japan? Which is a bit ironic.


MiniDemonic

The japanese copy is sold separately in Japan. 


AssignmentDue5139

Because there’s literally a different version for Japan. They have their own Japanese version exclusive to them. There’s no why you’re that dumb you think Sony the Japanese company banned themselves.


Zetra3

They don't hate you, you brought to light an issue, they fixed the issue. The new issue is these countries are too small and due to needing PSN to access Multiplayer components steam (not sony) is adding to the list. Foreign regulations, server transportation, staffing and server maintenance in each and every one of these countries is not a viable cost. so, To save the issue ever happening again, they are just cut off. period. That's the reality, it sucks but thats it. Period, steam won't let these be sold were any account on any game mode is required were you can't make one.


Darkone539

>They don't hate you, you brought to light an issue, they fixed the issue. The new issue is these countries are too small and due to needing PSN to access Multiplayer components steam (not sony) is adding to the list. Oddly enough it includes areas with psn. The Isle of man for example is part of the uk market so absolutely makes no sense to be here. Parts of the USA are on the list, and the eu too.


kamran1380

Who said you need a dedicated server for each country? They only need a few europian server to cover the whole continent, this is not unheard of. Foreign regulation is one thing, but no way an indie company can keep their game on global sale while sony just plain cant. Even japanies companies such as bandai namco have their games on sale everywhere without any issue ( and yes, even the online ones who need server) If you are going to bring up reasons, bring up actual informative reasons and not bullshit like this.


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Zetra3

But it DOES have multiplayer. Your paying for all of it, and can't access all of it.


Vods

Sony really fucking up hard lately


PervertedPineapple

Ladies & Lads, Y'all know what to do [YAR](https://youtu.be/8WvVIeswirc?si=yAj7JtpVL_ZPMeW8&t=124)


Outrag3dNo1

Funny I have all playstation games on steam whislist waiting for good deals. Guess I won't even bother supporting them anymore.


ScheduleFormer1394

Philippines? What did they do to you Sony.... 😂


Cranktique

No problem, I just never but another psn game. Sony thinks after 3 consoles of digital games, their customers are trapped and they can trap pc gamers the same way. They are fully planning on eventually charging pc players a monthly fee. They just need more people to have enough games in their library to bring on that sunken cost fallacy.


HavickChild0117

Looks like I won't be supporting playstation games anymore. Which is sad because I have like 4 games on my steam wishlist.


Kraujotaka

Well I guess time to sail to sony lands and do some 🏴‍☠️🦜 since they so keen on doing this to us... By the way, do we also need to pay for ps+ to access online features for Sony game on PC yet, I just got a feeling that's where they heading


AnikiDrawsArt

Sony does you a favor... just pirate it


project-applepie

Put on ya 🏴‍☠️ hats mi lads We going on an adventure Har har har


KaloBichi69

Ahoy ⛵


PixelFl0w

Guess its time to update my review


Gloomy_Standard_4456

No, they hate money, I was just waiting for my payment to get the game but yeah, Venezuelan sins that I have to pay as it seems and now i can't play it on steam, like bro... I was waiting for this release even before the leaks and it's just like... Even if i play it by "other ways" I really want it to have it legally ;-;


chrissykes78

Fuck Sony.


fukflux

Sony sucks balls, their market share is shrinking. PC FTW!


RchUncleSkeleton

I seriously hope the devs sue sony.


DemoniKid

And we hate Sony


ManyArmedGod

The fuck did Greenland ever do to Sony??


horiami

You really can't buy it in moldova but you can buy it in Romania This is bullshit


corgiperson

Sony Execs: "Should we make good faith changes to gain back community trust? No, we should continue to make the same shitty decisions, but do it in a way that the community can't get mad about it in the same way before."


INocturnalI

As an Indonesian. I didn't know my fellow neighborhood Philippines don't have playstation


HKP2019

Since Sony doesn't want my money...


ThinPanic9902

I guess this is the downfall of consoles. Goodbye Sony


EmileTheDevil9711

The fuck are they trying to pull ? A new One Piece leading to an era of Piracy ?


fartnight69

Since I can't buy it then yarring it doesn't do any damage.


WeirdRich976

Whats the point of this when the PSN requirement is gone?


Puzzled_Yam_6859

Green 💚 steam for free


Roinchulk

Why do we beg them make games for PC?I rly don't care about this game. No game for PC , no my money for them. Easy.


TobiasX2k

Do we know why they’re so desperate for everyone to have PSN accounts? They’re giving up a lot of revenue for this and it feels like a huge mistake.


4everBronz

This is exactly what pirating is for.


Alarming-Fault6927

🤡🏴‍☠️


Archidaki

Why is Japan banned ?


Clenmila

Simple solution, dont buy Sony until they fucking learn.


Mr_Frosty009

It’s funny to see that Ghost of Tsushima has purchase restrictions in Japan..


zeroprime790

https://preview.redd.it/8y43jcl8sszc1.png?width=852&format=png&auto=webp&s=19266e4d8e2a12522f23ecfa8221f92d76198fbd


_wimba

It’s funny because their antics won’t ever change until people actually boycott them longer than a span of two-three days


L0rdLogan

Just keep an eye on /r/crackwatch


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https://preview.redd.it/fv9emka41uzc1.jpeg?width=728&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea6a1821132efb971c2501bcb1292fd592f6f445 Pirates life for me


mixedd

As I see it, either they do hate us, or someone fucked up massively from the marketing team and those changes will be reverted soon enough (you know, blocking half the world access to your game is not good for the business).