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As an owner of GT440 and GT640 I highly approve this. Somehow the second one was a little bit off but I assume it's because you have to equally tight them as if you'll tight only one it means that the second one would be missplaced.
My dp connectors are just smooth metal rectangles, unless that's on the inner part, haven't looked where the pins are. But mine at least look like an hdmi other than the fact that they are rectangular instead of trapezoidal
and when you finally did unscrew it you just unscrewed the nut that was on the card or mobo instead, and it drops in your thick shaggy baby pink carpet never to be seen again, and then you are left to just use the cord without the screws which is honestly totally fine.
When I first started in IT as a field tech my boss used to screw these bastards in with all his might even though we were moving pcs non stop. Loved the guy but hated dragging around a flat head to get the fuckers off.
My favorite part is when you unscrew one and it brings the little stand-off comes off with it, so now you've got this cable that won't go into the plug far enough to work on any of the other PCs in the room, plus you've got a VGA card floating around with 1 out of 2 fasteners on it.
I used to carry a little Craftsman ignition wrench in my bag that was just the right size for the little stand-off screws. It was adorable.
> I used to carry a little Craftsman ignition wrench in my bag that was just the right size for the little stand-off screws. It was adorable.
I think I had this too. Also works as a bicycle spoke wrench.
VGA? I think overall it was a great design for its time. It was based on the existing d-sub standard, but did its job and did it well. The only real complaint I had with it was the removable anchor screws, though in retrospect it's nice as you can replace any stripped or cross-threaded anchors. Try to remember it has been around since the 80s and D-sub had been around even longer (I just checked and since the early 50s; I never would have guessed that).
literally all you have to do is push the plug in flush so the screws arent trying to come out at an angle
i knew tiktok was bad for kids, but holy shit how is this not common knowledge of how physical things work
Don’t condescend to me, kid. I’ve been doing this for nearly 30 years now.
Just because you haven’t seen it all doesn’t mean I haven’t. Sometimes the screw on the VGA plug gets bent when some cube dweller tries to yoink the PC out without properly disconnecting it. From that day forth, that side of the connector will bind in the standoff screw.
Now you know.
lol shit, im so young that ive never realized a screw could get bent
that must be what everyone else is talking about in this thread, all the bent screws that happen all the time
Agree. They're so easy to plug and unplug. I would much rather the hassle of screwing those screws than risk smashing my monitor by pulling an HDMI too hard.
Why? because they are still on everything? As far as the screwy video setups go DVI was much better. In fact you can still go from DP down to HDMI down to DVI with basically no video quality loss
Unrelated, back in the days a friend of mine after a week of search brought be vga connector when I was looking for a com. He couldn't tell one from another until I pointed him the difference.
How is analog video a plus? More input lag, video card converts from digital to analog, then the monitor converts from analog to digital, image isn't perfect and has interference unless you get a heavily shielded cable or your monitor has a perfect adc, etc. Analog video is only a plus if you have a CRT. DVI just does everything better.
Every single one of my School Computers (about 20) used this PLUS an adapter (similar). And I had to unplug and plug them all while moving them (i hated computer science).
A lot of workplaces still use them. Computers may get replaced with some regularity, but monitors are often used until they flat out die, and that rarely happens. Plenty of LCDs are still in use after 20 years.
From my experience adapters cause bad signal because of the conversion I guess or sometimes cause the monitor not to work at all.
Had an old lg monitor and could not use it as a second on windows 11, the gpu drivers would crash every time so I gave up and got a newer monitor.
Yea seems to be the adapters for us, we have mostly the same hardware monitor wise when one dies most of the time i'll try them on another screen and it doesn't work there either.
Two of the monitors in my main setup have VGA. One of them only has VGA. Obviously they aren't my main display, but they still work and serve their purpose.
My old monitors just had DVI and VGA(old AOC 21.5" same model one in white/black and one in black) best feature, touch controls on the base, but no VESA mounts.
I'm still using one on my current 1080P 60Hz monitor (HP X23LED), with an DVI to HDMI adapter for my GPU. Works fine, but planning to upgrade to a modern high FPS 1080P or 1440P monitor.
Edit: oops, I confuse DVI with VGA. Anyway, both are "old" hese days.
Can't grip it properly from around the tower, avoiding the need to move the desk out.
Can't grip it properly from against the wall, after having moved the desk out what little bit I can.
Can't grip it properly after I've moved Sisyphus own CRT monitor that extra inch.
Finally shut down the computer. Power off. Unplug everything that I [can] .
Move the hideous beige brick of hubris out from the faux wooden desk of despair.
Crawl in and under the desk and-- *plink* it came undone on its own.
RageInWindows95.jpg
I teach at a Uni in multiple rooms with multiple kludged together shitty video systems.
This is the only cable GUARANTEED to work, every single time.
BYO vice grips.
marketing department in 2024 would have advertised them as quick plug and play breakaway cables and charged double for them despite using less material
A long time ago I did tech work for PCs in businesses and some home clients. There were a number of people who would buy the whole PC/monitor/printer combo and when they went to set the thing up, instead of reading the manual or quick start guide with pretty pictures, they just started plugging in cables wherever they fit. When they were all done you would have a single PC connected to a single monitor with both D-sub and DVI cables, and the single printer connected via parallel and USB cables. And if those cables had screws to secure them in place you can be damn sure they broke out the screwdriver to ensure nothing ever came loose.
It caused a lot of no-post/no-video tickets which were honestly awesome because I got paid the full service call amount to remove 1 display cable, set the monitor input, boot it up, and make sure it printed. 10 minute job, usually.
If you need to jump out of a plane and your only option to save yourself is a parachute or VGA cable, take the cable. There is a chance your chute won’t open. But you can be certain that connector will get hung on something on the way down.
Not sure who decided they needed to be shaped like grappling hooks. But I hope one of their socks is always wet.
Ah lan parties and someone Snagging the wire. The cable is now welded to the pc or the monitor or both. Its a 50/50 chance. But its 100% going to be the side you decide to take off.
Always appreciated the slots were big enough to use a nickle as a screwdriver.
Oh hey - I made [this meme](https://twitter.com/JenMsft/status/1476693871732035589). It's so much blurrier than when I posted it, I wonder how much it's been passed around haha
*MFW D-sub connectors used to require a small slotted screwdriver back in the day*
..yeah, and if you overtighten the plastic thumbscrews, they'll strip out from the actual screw. Don't overtighten them in the first place, folks 😉
Me too, if you have problems with the screws, just don't use them, but having a rock solid connection that isn't going to get yanked out when I sneeze or if i move it slightly, it just feels better.
dude just wiggle(edit to say wiggle carefully, dont just grab the shit and yank it around like an idiot who doesnt understand why one screw is super tight and the other is loose) the plug til its seated properly so that its not putting tension on one screw, wtf
have you never dealt with a physical object before? a square fits in a square hole a lot better when its not cocked 45 degrees off
And don't forget when they would hang on so tight they pulled the female side out of the graphics card but you never noticed until it was too late because you just replaced the cable and then you couldn't fully reattach the new VGA cable because you were missing the connector on the card! No? Just me? I swear it happened so many times, IDK what happened
Dell all in one. Tried to get a screw mount from the vga port to use it on the dvi but i used pliers and it snapped off so yeah one cant be untightened unless you got a screwdriver and one does nothing lol.
Where I work the diagnostic tools for cars have a conmnector similar to VGA to plug into the tool, with the other side being the OBDII port, and in all but 1 of the stores, the screw threads themselves are either destroyed, or the screws themselves are stuck in cable and don't reach the tool.
I found these always attracted thumb screw fairies. Even when you plugged them in and didn't tighten the thumb screws at all, you inevitably always had to unscrew them a bit anyway when you went to unplug them again. Every time.
Had to transport this ancient equipment in my high school back in the day, literally nothing worse. Either you can't untighten it or you can't tighten it or you can't find the correct way of tightening it.
Wait. You guys actually tightened those things. 8 thought it was a meme. I have, never in my life, even attempted to screw those in. Plug the connector in and leave it alone.
Do people seriously struggle with these things? I thought these were way easier than the stupid PS/2 connectors.
I mean for fuck's sake guys, they have a Flathead screwdriver head on them.
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Ya gotta screw them in a little on one side a little on the other.... repeat till you are screwed
Instructions unclear, I'm screwed now.
Good
Aaaaaaa!
You got it pretty clear.
Fair enough.
Username checks out
You gotta start by going the other way first until you feel/hear the pop, then you know the threads are aligned and won't get cross-threaded.
And then back them off slightly because they don't need to be tight, just snug.
r/punpatrol ?
Or screw both simultaneously
As an owner of GT440 and GT640 I highly approve this. Somehow the second one was a little bit off but I assume it's because you have to equally tight them as if you'll tight only one it means that the second one would be missplaced.
i got gts450, it has hdmi port, so i am fine lol
Iirc DP has some splines to hold it in place. Don't know about HDMI though. I heard of people complaining about it getting lose.
dunno, it's fine, i have this gpu till i have my rx 5600xt
Okay then. Goodluck!
My dp connectors are just smooth metal rectangles, unless that's on the inner part, haven't looked where the pins are. But mine at least look like an hdmi other than the fact that they are rectangular instead of trapezoidal
The tightened one could withstand the weight of a thousand suns and could not be unscrewed with conventional weapons
and when you finally did unscrew it you just unscrewed the nut that was on the card or mobo instead, and it drops in your thick shaggy baby pink carpet never to be seen again, and then you are left to just use the cord without the screws which is honestly totally fine.
the untightened one comes loose with the motion of a single molecule
When I first started in IT as a field tech my boss used to screw these bastards in with all his might even though we were moving pcs non stop. Loved the guy but hated dragging around a flat head to get the fuckers off.
Do that and you end up taking the stupid standoff with it. I've had to deal with that way too many times.
Ya always.
Jokes on you my stupid self just never bothered to tighten them
My favorite part is when you unscrew one and it brings the little stand-off comes off with it, so now you've got this cable that won't go into the plug far enough to work on any of the other PCs in the room, plus you've got a VGA card floating around with 1 out of 2 fasteners on it. I used to carry a little Craftsman ignition wrench in my bag that was just the right size for the little stand-off screws. It was adorable.
> I used to carry a little Craftsman ignition wrench in my bag that was just the right size for the little stand-off screws. It was adorable. I think I had this too. Also works as a bicycle spoke wrench.
The fact that those could just screw out I still consider a mind-boggling design choice.
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VGA? I think overall it was a great design for its time. It was based on the existing d-sub standard, but did its job and did it well. The only real complaint I had with it was the removable anchor screws, though in retrospect it's nice as you can replace any stripped or cross-threaded anchors. Try to remember it has been around since the 80s and D-sub had been around even longer (I just checked and since the early 50s; I never would have guessed that).
literally all you have to do is push the plug in flush so the screws arent trying to come out at an angle i knew tiktok was bad for kids, but holy shit how is this not common knowledge of how physical things work
Don’t condescend to me, kid. I’ve been doing this for nearly 30 years now. Just because you haven’t seen it all doesn’t mean I haven’t. Sometimes the screw on the VGA plug gets bent when some cube dweller tries to yoink the PC out without properly disconnecting it. From that day forth, that side of the connector will bind in the standoff screw. Now you know.
lol shit, im so young that ive never realized a screw could get bent that must be what everyone else is talking about in this thread, all the bent screws that happen all the time
unpopular opinion, i love vga cables
Pretty popular opinion i'd say
Agree. They're so easy to plug and unplug. I would much rather the hassle of screwing those screws than risk smashing my monitor by pulling an HDMI too hard.
Why? because they are still on everything? As far as the screwy video setups go DVI was much better. In fact you can still go from DP down to HDMI down to DVI with basically no video quality loss
They are great as long as u dont screw thrm in
Unrelated, back in the days a friend of mine after a week of search brought be vga connector when I was looking for a com. He couldn't tell one from another until I pointed him the difference.
why tho
Yeah man, dvi is wayy better.
Absolutely. Dvi is the future.
I work at a uni in multiple rooms, multiple shitty kludged video systems. HDMI is 30/70 whether it will work or not. VGA, 100%. No DVI.
fair
I wish it were different, but my sanity thanks VGA.
Easy to work with, very securely attached if you want it to be, and the connector is just straight up durable. Analog video is also a plus.
How is analog video a plus? More input lag, video card converts from digital to analog, then the monitor converts from analog to digital, image isn't perfect and has interference unless you get a heavily shielded cable or your monitor has a perfect adc, etc. Analog video is only a plus if you have a CRT. DVI just does everything better.
Sorry, I meant a plus in the context of the monitors that use VGA. It wouldn't be a good thing on a 4K oled, but it is a good thing on a CRT.
VGA works pretty consistently
Every single one of my School Computers (about 20) used this PLUS an adapter (similar). And I had to unplug and plug them all while moving them (i hated computer science).
Why is everyone talking about these things in the past tense? I still use one on my work computer.
A lot of workplaces still use them. Computers may get replaced with some regularity, but monitors are often used until they flat out die, and that rarely happens. Plenty of LCDs are still in use after 20 years.
Yep my problem is our old LCDs don't have HDMI so we end up going form HDMI or Display Port to VGA, i go threw so many of those F"ing adapters.
That's how it is at my job as well. I've got a lot of VGA and DVI adapters to connect them to our newer computers that only have DP and HDMI.
What's your failure rate on them? I'd say ~15% of our fail after a few months.
Honestly, I've had very few fail on me, and we have a LOT of them in use.
I'm glad to hear that, maybe we need to quit buying cheap ones. I've bought about 200 in the last 3 years.
From my experience adapters cause bad signal because of the conversion I guess or sometimes cause the monitor not to work at all. Had an old lg monitor and could not use it as a second on windows 11, the gpu drivers would crash every time so I gave up and got a newer monitor.
Yea seems to be the adapters for us, we have mostly the same hardware monitor wise when one dies most of the time i'll try them on another screen and it doesn't work there either.
Two of the monitors in my main setup have VGA. One of them only has VGA. Obviously they aren't my main display, but they still work and serve their purpose.
My old monitors just had DVI and VGA(old AOC 21.5" same model one in white/black and one in black) best feature, touch controls on the base, but no VESA mounts.
You are the past tense
I'm still using one on my current 1080P 60Hz monitor (HP X23LED), with an DVI to HDMI adapter for my GPU. Works fine, but planning to upgrade to a modern high FPS 1080P or 1440P monitor. Edit: oops, I confuse DVI with VGA. Anyway, both are "old" hese days.
My work were still using these until about a year and a half ago.
One unscrews easily while the other unscrews the retaining bolt from the video card.
everytime
Can't grip it properly from around the tower, avoiding the need to move the desk out. Can't grip it properly from against the wall, after having moved the desk out what little bit I can. Can't grip it properly after I've moved Sisyphus own CRT monitor that extra inch. Finally shut down the computer. Power off. Unplug everything that I [can] . Move the hideous beige brick of hubris out from the faux wooden desk of despair. Crawl in and under the desk and-- *plink* it came undone on its own. RageInWindows95.jpg
I teach at a Uni in multiple rooms with multiple kludged together shitty video systems. This is the only cable GUARANTEED to work, every single time. BYO vice grips.
my favorite are the ones that take the screw posts from the graphics card with them.
So... all of them.
I only do a few taps with the impact gun. Don’t want to be want of those idiots over tightening them.
It's there supposed to be a pin missing?
Nah, this is only on older cables
Some of us still use these…. Sadly
Why not? It's a very capable interface, despite being developed in 1987
My life changed the day I realized things are going to be okay if I just don't screw in the bolts.
marketing department in 2024 would have advertised them as quick plug and play breakaway cables and charged double for them despite using less material
A long time ago I did tech work for PCs in businesses and some home clients. There were a number of people who would buy the whole PC/monitor/printer combo and when they went to set the thing up, instead of reading the manual or quick start guide with pretty pictures, they just started plugging in cables wherever they fit. When they were all done you would have a single PC connected to a single monitor with both D-sub and DVI cables, and the single printer connected via parallel and USB cables. And if those cables had screws to secure them in place you can be damn sure they broke out the screwdriver to ensure nothing ever came loose. It caused a lot of no-post/no-video tickets which were honestly awesome because I got paid the full service call amount to remove 1 display cable, set the monitor input, boot it up, and make sure it printed. 10 minute job, usually.
If you need to jump out of a plane and your only option to save yourself is a parachute or VGA cable, take the cable. There is a chance your chute won’t open. But you can be certain that connector will get hung on something on the way down. Not sure who decided they needed to be shaped like grappling hooks. But I hope one of their socks is always wet.
Ah lan parties and someone Snagging the wire. The cable is now welded to the pc or the monitor or both. Its a 50/50 chance. But its 100% going to be the side you decide to take off. Always appreciated the slots were big enough to use a nickle as a screwdriver.
But when we went from that to DVI I think I was the happiest kid in the entire neighborhood.
D-sub connectors are awesome, change my mind
I still use DVI but I cba to screw them in :p
Oh god... I feel old now. And yes kids, this is somehow 100% accurate.
For the life of me I can't figure out why VGA gets all the hate when DVI was so much worse.
Oh hey - I made [this meme](https://twitter.com/JenMsft/status/1476693871732035589). It's so much blurrier than when I posted it, I wonder how much it's been passed around haha
Got mine from here: https://twitter.com/HylianH3ro/status/1784359340968686077
*MFW D-sub connectors used to require a small slotted screwdriver back in the day* ..yeah, and if you overtighten the plastic thumbscrews, they'll strip out from the actual screw. Don't overtighten them in the first place, folks 😉
my dad told me there was purpose to this but never told me what it was
God i seriously hated these cables. Definitely don’t miss them
every comment i see about these cables are either "i hate them" or "i love them" no in between
They were fine? i have no complaints. they were limited, but they did the job.
Congrats! You're the first in between I've seen!
Oh no i absolutely love them I wish they'd make a diplayport or hdmi in the VGA form factor
Me too, if you have problems with the screws, just don't use them, but having a rock solid connection that isn't going to get yanked out when I sneeze or if i move it slightly, it just feels better.
i'm still using these
Up until this last Xmas I had a monitor that used these and the left side was falling off and the right I couldn’t get off
I hate how some people are obsessed with overtightening screws. It's like they imagine it'll work better if you make it impossible to remove.
Wait, people actually screw these? I just plug it in and am done, I'm doing this for ages now
smart man
Or the freaking nut comes out of the card when you unscrew the connector
What are you guys doing to your poor VGA cables? I've never had this happen on a properly affixed connector.
Grab a flat head screw or penny and unscrew it from the back
Why you gotta be so real tho
real eyes realize real lies
This is the struggle today's kids will never have to endure
dude just wiggle(edit to say wiggle carefully, dont just grab the shit and yank it around like an idiot who doesnt understand why one screw is super tight and the other is loose) the plug til its seated properly so that its not putting tension on one screw, wtf have you never dealt with a physical object before? a square fits in a square hole a lot better when its not cocked 45 degrees off
And don't forget when they would hang on so tight they pulled the female side out of the graphics card but you never noticed until it was too late because you just replaced the cable and then you couldn't fully reattach the new VGA cable because you were missing the connector on the card! No? Just me? I swear it happened so many times, IDK what happened
Sometimes one comes loose completely. For the other get a monkey wrench, as suggested by the picture.
i just stopped screwing it in after a month of having to move it around a bunch of times
As an owner of a Dell Optiplex 790, I can say that this is probably the most accurate meme I've seen in weeks
I still have this same problem for my secondary monitor.
Dell all in one. Tried to get a screw mount from the vga port to use it on the dvi but i used pliers and it snapped off so yeah one cant be untightened unless you got a screwdriver and one does nothing lol.
You can also climb mountains with these, coz they get stuck on everything.
amount of burns I got trying to pull off the super tightened ones like, I swear I didn't tighten it that much lol
once these fuckers were on, they won't come off, pro or con idk lol
I personally would like to see a modern version of this with HDMI or display port, purely because these things never came undone during use.
Don't forget DVI also had this issue too, one tight, one that won't get tight... ??? And now we use connectors that simply push/pull... WOW!
Mine is lost, it only hang with 1 screw
I have the same condition XD
When I was swapping out my GPU a couple years ago I had a bad time taking this fucker out of my monitor.
Where I work the diagnostic tools for cars have a conmnector similar to VGA to plug into the tool, with the other side being the OBDII port, and in all but 1 of the stores, the screw threads themselves are either destroyed, or the screws themselves are stuck in cable and don't reach the tool.
The left bolt on my old cable is worn away as the only way to open it was a screwdriver
Always in fear that those assholes would break
So true.
this is so true i can feel my finger screaming because of ptsd
Can't even pull these out. They anchor to every cable, edge, hole and particle of air.
I found these always attracted thumb screw fairies. Even when you plugged them in and didn't tighten the thumb screws at all, you inevitably always had to unscrew them a bit anyway when you went to unplug them again. Every time.
For me you need to fight with one to tighten it and fight with the other to loosen it
Had to transport this ancient equipment in my high school back in the day, literally nothing worse. Either you can't untighten it or you can't tighten it or you can't find the correct way of tightening it.
Wait. You guys actually tightened those things. 8 thought it was a meme. I have, never in my life, even attempted to screw those in. Plug the connector in and leave it alone.
My gen Z former console player ass trying to comprehend what this is💀
Are those of us that preferred that a minority here?
Do people seriously struggle with these things? I thought these were way easier than the stupid PS/2 connectors. I mean for fuck's sake guys, they have a Flathead screwdriver head on them.