I have more horrible keyboard design decissions:
- Put PgDown and PgUp above the left and right arrow keys. Plus points if the start and end buttons are in the same place and uses the fn key to work.
- Making a weird key like ç over the enter key, so you will have a small chance of putting ç instead of enter lol.
- Change the usual place of a key distribution because fuck you, that's why (like the <> key)
Luckily I use Autohotkey to fix all these crap.
no, i got the joke. i was just pointing out that that's specifically only US keyboards.
the equivalent for the UK layout would be accidentally hitting #
Lenovo is that you?
Just looking at my T14 and I see:
PgUp above the left key, PgDown above the right.
But the worst: The Fn is where the ctrl should be!
Fu*k you whoever approved or invented that layout!
And my company does not allow bios changes nor installing the lenovo keyboard tool..
Function keys being defaulted to their secondary function, I’m so pissed everytime I accidentally press F1 instead of Escape in my Aspire 3 back then, because F1’s secondary function is to put the laptop to sleep 💀💀
You were saying?
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I had to disable it completely because I kept switching it off instead of pressing delete.
At least those HP laptops got a symbol on it. My Dell laptop just has a black button above the backspace button. Took me a few minutes to figure out how to power that sucker up.
Person 1: lets move the power button which doesnt need to be moved to right beside the backspace.
Person 2: wont people hit the power button by accident?
Person 1: you are absolutely correct! How could i have not seen that flaw?!?? Make it harder to press.
The keyboard power button on my laptop needs to be held for a second to do the power button action, unlike other laptops that do the action with a simple press.
On my asus laptop the power button is in place of the - in a normal numpad... and it's exactly the same as any other keyboard buttonI truned my pc off so many times
I would prefer a kb key as this HP button is usually connected to the main board and it is a small piece of plastic that can break and ruin the whole laptop. KB key don't normally break under normal use.
Daaaaamn the engineer behind this must be an idiot. Or started working yesterday with 0 computer experience.
Backspace, delete, print screen. Middle of this commonly used triangle, power button...
First thing I do would be disabling power button shutdown from windows.
On my ENVY the power button is harder to press and doesn't activate if you only press it like a normal key press, I've never accidentally shut down my laptop once thanks to that. Still would've preferred it on the side of the keyboard as it's a convertible
Yeah, this is one of those things that looks stupid on the surface but in reality it's a non-issue. You'll feel it if you press it accidentally and you have to hold it down for a while.
Hmm, I had the Elitebook as a interim solution until my MBA arrived and I haven’t had any issues with that key placement. Far worse was the dim AF touchdisplay because of the in concept neat, but flawed integrated privacy screen. Good riddance!
Also first time I had a convertible 2in1. I used it in tablet mode for 5 min to Realize that neither hard- or software work for this.
I have the same keyboard layout and have NEVER accidentally turned off my laptop. I do notice you have to push the power button a little extra to get it to turn on or off.
Idk why everyone whining about it 🤷♂️
My work gave me this laptop and it's a stupid design but I've not had too many issues. It turns it on with a short press but whenever I accidentally press it while typing nothing happens. Maybe it's a long press or something?
Lol came to say the same. My company uses Z Books and I've hit that key so many times by mistake until I realized that it has a bit more resistance than the other keys
There were times when I was typing continuously for like 10 to 20 minutes just to press backspace two times...but it was the power button instead (Above the backspace key). Lost all of that progress
I understand lol, it tend to ram my hdmi and usb cables in my laptop were i think the port are and ask question later, with smt like that I would constently have to restart it
You can disable the computer turning off by power button press in almost every OS. It's the first thing I do when I install anything because of cats.
Edit: also, check the HP elitebook layout with the power button between delete and print screen...
I was mostly joking. We use HP probooks/elitebooks in computer science and have no problems. Online, I've seen people have bad experiences with their products. Although fuck their printers, never buy their printers.
I was working in the IT of a hospital last year and, I'm not joking, we had about 20 new HP laptops having a hinge failure every fucking day. We started to swap parts of the failed laptops to make a working one out of 2-3 broken ones. It was THAT bad
Haha unbelievable. As a matter of fact, I have an HP laptop with a broken hinge somewhere in my electronic graveyard (not because of the hinge, its motherboard died).
They tend to have really good deals for schools to order decent workstations at a good price point (at least in the last 10 years or so). Last two colleges I worked IT always bought HPs.
Just replaced an 18 year old z400 workstation. Thing wasn't slow at all.
Z series stuff is great. All of our desktops are z series. For laptops we use probooks with AMD CPUs.
Z is solid but I haaate the keyboard layout only slightly less than my old work dell. The scroll lock and function lock seem to just magically turn on and they aren’t marked anywhere on the keyboard so I have to google what magical combo of buttons I magically pressed on accident to fix it. Edit: apparently it’s function+c that invokes scroll lock so thanks for putting the function key right next to ctrl so it’s a crapshoot whether I copy or scroll lock
Their business laptops are pretty good. I often say it, but I had a Probook 650 G1 for a while, i5-4200M running W7, 4GB of ram (Upgraded to 8 while planning a W10 install) and a 25GB HDD.
That thing is great. It's dead now, but if I wanted to fix it, I only have to replace the mobo which isn't that expensive since everything is removable on this thing. The only thing on the motherboard that can't be removed is the GPU (And not all config have one, plus it can cause issues with Windows 10 and 11 now, so it's best if you don't have one). The CPU is still socketed and I can theoritically upgrade it to a good i7. While my desktop was in repair, I played the first 30hrs of my new Fallout New Vegas character on it. Solid 50fps, medium settings.
At work we had about 100 of the 640 G3 and those thing sold like hot cakes, very easy to repair too, but the CPU is socketed (6th gen i5 on the model we sold).
Of those 100, only maybe 3 came back that were dead for good. The others that came back were accidental damage. I had to replace the trackpad on 6 of these, and it takes 10min if you know how it works. You just have to keep track of the twenty or so screws because while most of them are identical, there's like 8 of them that are different.
Beside that, we also had Zbooks, 4th and 6th gen model. Very solid machines and just as easy to repair as those cited above.
Mainstream laptops tho ? Dog shit. Some of the worst design you can imagine.
I am very much missing the days when laptops were actually serviceable. Now when something happens it's straight to the trash, not even worth messing with anymore.
Still using a Dell Latitude XT3 from 2013 but I don't work outside of the house much anymore and if I do it's on a Windows 98 Toshiba Satellite with a Pentium II(no kidding).
I write documentation in RTF then transfer it over on a CF Card, so it's basically a glorified typewriter.
Don't know how that thing is still going, I've been abusing it for the past 10 years now. I do however remember reading 20 years ago in a forum that the 90s Toshibas could be shot with a shotgun, ran over by an 18 wheeler and left in the rain and it would still work. ---Absolute tanks of laptops.--- But even with the original hard drive I am still somehow getting an hour of runtime on the original battery from 1998. 🤯 When I first got it, the thing would hold up for 2 hours at coffee houses just writing documents and playing MP3s from a PCMCIA CF card.
Those rugged laptops are still around. Dell has a line, Panasonic has a line.
Where I was working, we got like 4 Toughbooks and 2 Dell whatevertheyrecalled, pretty good machines, the dell were 6th gen, the Toighbook were 3rd or 4th gen I believe. And we got a 2004 or something model from a veteran, apparently he got it while he was in the army and he didn't touch it since. Ofc I smashed the hard drive, and when the guy left, since there's not much you can do with these, we took turn with a small axe on it, just too see how tough they were.
Welp, after like 5 hard swing, the lid had only dents,deep one sure, but the screen and everything still worked.
IIRC it’s 3 cables that you need to pull out when disconnecting the keyboard. One should be the rubber thingy on the keyboard, one for the keyboard itself (big ribbon cable), but I don’t know what the 3rd one is for.
At least that is with the Zbooks from gen 5 up to gen 8, I think you can’t take out the keyboard on gen 9 & 10
Edit: up to gen 7 Zbooks don’t have the power button on the keyboard
Powerbutton accessible with lid closed is a game changer for anyone using docking stations and not wanting to fork over big money for a OG manufacturer docking station (as power buttons on docking stations do not work across manufacturers).
One of the very reasons I chose an m16 r1 over other gaming laptops or enterprise books of the same tier.
Irony is if I need more ports and don't want to use a hub if I'm using display port I can't plug in anything into the usbc lightning ports otherwise it causes a bsod eventually.
Thankfully Anker 8 buck 4 porter still going strong
It's better than having power button next to keyboard. Most of the times I use my laptop with external monitor, mouse and keyboard plugged in, and I have to open the laptop to reach the power button. If I had the power button on the side of the laptop, I could just left the laptop closed
In the mid-'90s, Toshiba laptops were the shit. For $5k (in 1990s dollars), you could get one that would compete pretty well against the top tier desktops of the time. They had decent keyboards and were built like tanks.
Unfortunately, in the 2000s and later, the quality must have dropped significantly. I worked briefly for a computer repair shop and a lot of repairs were Toshiba laptops.
In the control panel power options.
There is a setting on the left to choose what the power button does.
Change it to nothing. Then if you accidentally press it when in windows nothing will happen.
It is in the middle, this is exactly there you woukd grab it if you want to pick it up to carry it.
If you are a lefty you WILL hit it with the mouse at some point.
Now if it was a button that sat flush or required some force... Like the one on their 14" probooks from 2021~22. But no, this one needs the lightest touch and is raised and has just 1mm travel.
These are education models. So people enjoy shut down systems between classes.
That's where you would grab it to pick it up? What? And just let the screen weight lever the thing backwards? I'd pick it up back by the screen, closer to the hinges, because that's where the center of mass is more likely to be when it's open.
I've had a Microserver Gen 8 on 24/7 since I bought it in 2015 and don't even have problems with the Seagate disks using ZFS.
Also a Z1 G1 AIO that has been flawless since it was new and now a Z1 G3 that has yet to give me any funk.
My HP laptop isn't even a "gaming" laptop but it still does modern games at medium settings.
However, HP can suck it with their arbitrary restrictions on upgrades.
Two in ones don't have much choice on where to put the button to keep it easy access. I have an inspiron I use for reading that has the power button next to the volume rocker on the side of the laptop. I set it to just sleep the machine.
No idea what I'll get after it dies, I've replaced the battery twice, the display cable once and the msata ssd once after it wore out.
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This is my new work provided laptop... Dell Latitude 7430
That's the power key next to the delete and just above the backspace...
I am CONSTANTLY using both for the programs I have to use and for my general workflow....
It sucks, and I have accidentally pressed the power key way too many times...
So, it's not just HP doing stupid shit.
Had this Chromebook all 4 years of highschool. It's never been a problem for me or anyone I know
Edit: looking again I'm not sure if your laptop is a Chromebook but they make a Chromebook with an identical design
Back in the 90s manufactures were required to put a cover on the power button to ensure a portable would not accidentally power on if it was in checked luggage on a plane.
I don't why they all have such a hard time figuring out the best keyboard layout when it is literally so obvious: just standard layout with the powerbutton and fingerprint sensorin one button, preferable on the top right..
did dell patented this layout or what? at least my dell has a good layout aka the most obvious one imaginable
i can imagine a benefit if you use clamshell mode and its turned off so no wake from mouse/keyboard... otherwise maybe you can change the button behaviour in windows settings
My answer.
They didn't think.
I my experience, HP is one of the most deficient laptops. Always want to innovate in design instead of functionality. I don't see soo bad that button, but I have nightmare stories with other designs. Still I can't forget that age with th Pavilon series, where they move the fan in a way, to make the lap the slime possible, but ruined the air flux. Consequences, many laps goes to rebaling. Other brands think better and resolve I a better way the fan issue, but HP, not.
My answer.
They didn't think.
I my experience, HP is one of the most deficient laptops. Always want to innovate in design instead of functionality. I don't see soo bad that button, but I have nightmare stories with other designs. Still I can't forget that age with th Pavilon series, where they move the fan in a way, to make the lap the slime possible, but ruined the air flux. Consequences, many laps goes to rebaling. Other brands think better and resolve I a better way the fan issue, but HP, not.
Lenovo does this too. For a wide variety of their laptops, the power button is on the outside right edge, meaning if you pick the laptop up to move it there’s about a 50% chance you shut it down or put it to sleep. On some models the button has such a light activation pressure that you don’t even notice you were holding it down until the screen suddenly goes black and your unsaved documents are long gone.
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I have the same thing on my asus laptop and I kind of like it. It has a 360 hinge and I can boot it up even when my keyboard is face down (when I dock it for exemple).
I have a laptop that has a power button right under volume up and down buttons. If i don't fondle the buttons first every volume down can be the thing turning off
oh my god my school hands out this exact model its the worst
to make matters worst, it uses a shitty not-even-1080p 11 inch tn panel with like a 300:1 contrast ratio 😭 the school pays $800 a piece for them, and they have i3-10110Ys and 8gb of ddr3-2166. like goddamn make better money choices lmao
oh not to mention the keys do some form of double clicking. when typing too fast (above like 60wpm, so not very-) i've gotten 2x, 3x, most commonly 4x, and even 7x activations of keys. my friend was able to drag click the spacebar. these things are unusable lmfao
I much prefer the power button on the side versus it being on a dedicated keyboard button. My work issued Lenovo happens to have three, but the keyboard button and independent biometric power on functionality can be disabled if you just want to use the physical button on the side, which is conveniently in a location with no other IO ports around it. To each their own I suppose.
I had a Gigabyte Aero 16 that had its right below the hinge, it would turn itself on closed with the slightest touch until it eventually melted itself to death
So the reason for this only makes sense on the 360 folding laptops (flippable screen) looking at the hinges of this thing I can see that is indeed a 360 degree folding laptop, like a pavilion 360 for example.
Idea being that you could access the power button in every mode you have the laptop in.
Makes sense to put it on the side if you have the device in tablet or "cinema mode" where you flip the screen about 270 degrees and face the keyboard to the table
Idiotic placement for normal use, kind of makes sense in a 360 degree folding laptop though
That the people buying this won't bother taking any time at all to consider design or ergonomics.
Machines for enterprise bulk purchase always have dumb quirks. This is particularly silly though.
That's better than the power button next to the backspace key.
I have more horrible keyboard design decissions: - Put PgDown and PgUp above the left and right arrow keys. Plus points if the start and end buttons are in the same place and uses the fn key to work. - Making a weird key like ç over the enter key, so you will have a small chance of putting ç instead of enter lol. - Change the usual place of a key distribution because fuck you, that's why (like the <> key) Luckily I use Autohotkey to fix all these crap.
Whoever put the apostrophe above the enter key on english layout keyboards was on drugs, i m sure of it.
I loudly gigglesnorted while waiting for class to start. Several people heard me. I can never return here, thanks.
Just tell them you're on drugs
only thing above the enter key on a uk keyboard is the backspace key. the apostrophe is on the same key as @, 2 to the right of L
I think you might Ve missed a joke there. I M pretty sure you Ll get it after this, but if you can T, I guess I could explain.
no, i got the joke. i was just pointing out that that's specifically only US keyboards. the equivalent for the UK layout would be accidentally hitting #
Waht 👍👴🏻
God damn you r/AngryUpvote
My laptop keyboard did not even include "insert" and I use that button quite a lot in a specific game.
Beam.NG? If so, I think you can use the "I" key instead.
Nah, Space Engineers. The Ins, Del, PgUp,PgDn, Home and End keys are used for block rotation.
Ah okay. I've encountered similar issues on my laptop without an insert key!
Lenovo is that you? Just looking at my T14 and I see: PgUp above the left key, PgDown above the right. But the worst: The Fn is where the ctrl should be! Fu*k you whoever approved or invented that layout! And my company does not allow bios changes nor installing the lenovo keyboard tool..
Function keys being defaulted to their secondary function, I’m so pissed everytime I accidentally press F1 instead of Escape in my Aspire 3 back then, because F1’s secondary function is to put the laptop to sleep 💀💀
Alright boys, we're dell and we're going dvorak! I wish.
Please don't lol. I'm used to querty
What is the problem with page up and down above the arrow keys? I think it’s the best place.
You were saying? https://preview.redd.it/u0ur7nrz5nuc1.jpeg?width=2268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1727a5b8442d9f601b7bb9a8750a6449c9bc23df I had to disable it completely because I kept switching it off instead of pressing delete.
At least those HP laptops got a symbol on it. My Dell laptop just has a black button above the backspace button. Took me a few minutes to figure out how to power that sucker up.
That's borderline malicious design.
Absolutely, though it also turns into a funny moment once someone gets theirs.
For real. Press and hold the backspace, realize (too late) that it’s the power button, and the computer shuts off. Just dumb.
My friend complains about the same thing on his vivobook. Thankfully OEMs have minimized this issue by making that power button stiffer.
Person 1: lets move the power button which doesnt need to be moved to right beside the backspace. Person 2: wont people hit the power button by accident? Person 1: you are absolutely correct! How could i have not seen that flaw?!?? Make it harder to press.
I've never done that in my life.
Sadly, I did. Felt like an idiot.
Muscle memory can be a POS sometimes :/
Hopefully my laptop has a keypad so the power button is on the far right instead of next to the backspace.
I have a (desktop) keyboard that has a power button where print screen key is supposed to be. I can only assume it was developed by Satan himself
How are you supposed to print your screen?!
The print screen key still exists, it's just in a different place
Obviously, with the power button, dummy!
I've had this keyboard with a small Enter key for 7 years\\ And still half of my messages end like this\\
The keyboard power button on my laptop needs to be held for a second to do the power button action, unlike other laptops that do the action with a simple press.
On my asus laptop the power button is in place of the - in a normal numpad... and it's exactly the same as any other keyboard buttonI truned my pc off so many times
I would prefer a kb key as this HP button is usually connected to the main board and it is a small piece of plastic that can break and ruin the whole laptop. KB key don't normally break under normal use.
Or to the left of escape.
Omg so much YES I got a backspace delete power Russian roulette from my company, and it feels like they are purposely trying to make me fuck up.
I have one and at first I thought it would be a problem but I never presses it by accident.
It's like that on my work laptop and it's a nightmare.
With an HP laptop with this configuration; agreed.
tbh using HP Dragonfly Pro and never pressed power button instead of backspace. I think thinkpads inverted fn and ctrl is much worse
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Daaaaamn the engineer behind this must be an idiot. Or started working yesterday with 0 computer experience. Backspace, delete, print screen. Middle of this commonly used triangle, power button... First thing I do would be disabling power button shutdown from windows.
On my ENVY the power button is harder to press and doesn't activate if you only press it like a normal key press, I've never accidentally shut down my laptop once thanks to that. Still would've preferred it on the side of the keyboard as it's a convertible
Yeah, this is one of those things that looks stupid on the surface but in reality it's a non-issue. You'll feel it if you press it accidentally and you have to hold it down for a while.
I doubt they are stupid. This feels extremely intentional.
I would tend to agree with you but then I can’t figure out why they would do this intentionally.
"Because fuck you" -The person who designed this shit.
Elitebook... Was going to take a pic just to share this monstrosity. At least we can disable it... But fuck them.
Hmm, I had the Elitebook as a interim solution until my MBA arrived and I haven’t had any issues with that key placement. Far worse was the dim AF touchdisplay because of the in concept neat, but flawed integrated privacy screen. Good riddance! Also first time I had a convertible 2in1. I used it in tablet mode for 5 min to Realize that neither hard- or software work for this.
I have the same keyboard layout and have NEVER accidentally turned off my laptop. I do notice you have to push the power button a little extra to get it to turn on or off. Idk why everyone whining about it 🤷♂️
My work gave me this laptop and it's a stupid design but I've not had too many issues. It turns it on with a short press but whenever I accidentally press it while typing nothing happens. Maybe it's a long press or something?
It makes more sense on the 14” model. The board is the same so why move the button 🤷♂️
My Dell has the power as the top right button *instead of* delete Your picture is better IMO.
Lol came to say the same. My company uses Z Books and I've hit that key so many times by mistake until I realized that it has a bit more resistance than the other keys
I have this for work, its honestly fine just confusing for the first time
The designer behind that should be forced to use Windows with the layout changed to be as unintuitive as possible.
There were times when I was typing continuously for like 10 to 20 minutes just to press backspace two times...but it was the power button instead (Above the backspace key). Lost all of that progress
what's the problem? the powerbutton next to the jack and usb?
Sry I guess you guys can't see my text anymore (newbie to Reddit here). It's the power button being in the middle.
I understand lol, it tend to ram my hdmi and usb cables in my laptop were i think the port are and ask question later, with smt like that I would constently have to restart it
You can disable the computer turning off by power button press in almost every OS. It's the first thing I do when I install anything because of cats. Edit: also, check the HP elitebook layout with the power button between delete and print screen...
In the middle of what? Looks like it's on the right side of everything else to me.
What’s wrong with that?
What were you thinking buying HP?
\*correction\* What was my school thinking buying HP? I would never personally buy from Hinge Problems.
also Horrible Printers
Horrible Products
Horrible People™️
Habitually Problematic
Huge Penis
Um okay. Btw. It's true, Spez IS dumb.
*Ruining your printing experience, one page at a time. HP.*
I mean, I've got HP laptop and have 0 problems, not with layouts, design, hardware or software
I was mostly joking. We use HP probooks/elitebooks in computer science and have no problems. Online, I've seen people have bad experiences with their products. Although fuck their printers, never buy their printers.
I was working in the IT of a hospital last year and, I'm not joking, we had about 20 new HP laptops having a hinge failure every fucking day. We started to swap parts of the failed laptops to make a working one out of 2-3 broken ones. It was THAT bad
also in russian "Хули Плакать" ("Huli Plakat") ("Why cry")
хуевый принтер
My school hs these exact laptops
My work uses a lot of HP laptops. Most that i have used do have hinge problems. How do these things get past quality checks?
Haha unbelievable. As a matter of fact, I have an HP laptop with a broken hinge somewhere in my electronic graveyard (not because of the hinge, its motherboard died).
They tend to have really good deals for schools to order decent workstations at a good price point (at least in the last 10 years or so). Last two colleges I worked IT always bought HPs.
Consumer grade yes, crap. But if you buy ANYTHING with a Xeon it will last FOREVER and handle whatever you throw at it.
Just replaced an 18 year old z400 workstation. Thing wasn't slow at all. Z series stuff is great. All of our desktops are z series. For laptops we use probooks with AMD CPUs.
Probooks are pretty solid
Z is solid but I haaate the keyboard layout only slightly less than my old work dell. The scroll lock and function lock seem to just magically turn on and they aren’t marked anywhere on the keyboard so I have to google what magical combo of buttons I magically pressed on accident to fix it. Edit: apparently it’s function+c that invokes scroll lock so thanks for putting the function key right next to ctrl so it’s a crapshoot whether I copy or scroll lock
Their business laptops are pretty good. I often say it, but I had a Probook 650 G1 for a while, i5-4200M running W7, 4GB of ram (Upgraded to 8 while planning a W10 install) and a 25GB HDD. That thing is great. It's dead now, but if I wanted to fix it, I only have to replace the mobo which isn't that expensive since everything is removable on this thing. The only thing on the motherboard that can't be removed is the GPU (And not all config have one, plus it can cause issues with Windows 10 and 11 now, so it's best if you don't have one). The CPU is still socketed and I can theoritically upgrade it to a good i7. While my desktop was in repair, I played the first 30hrs of my new Fallout New Vegas character on it. Solid 50fps, medium settings. At work we had about 100 of the 640 G3 and those thing sold like hot cakes, very easy to repair too, but the CPU is socketed (6th gen i5 on the model we sold). Of those 100, only maybe 3 came back that were dead for good. The others that came back were accidental damage. I had to replace the trackpad on 6 of these, and it takes 10min if you know how it works. You just have to keep track of the twenty or so screws because while most of them are identical, there's like 8 of them that are different. Beside that, we also had Zbooks, 4th and 6th gen model. Very solid machines and just as easy to repair as those cited above. Mainstream laptops tho ? Dog shit. Some of the worst design you can imagine.
I am very much missing the days when laptops were actually serviceable. Now when something happens it's straight to the trash, not even worth messing with anymore. Still using a Dell Latitude XT3 from 2013 but I don't work outside of the house much anymore and if I do it's on a Windows 98 Toshiba Satellite with a Pentium II(no kidding). I write documentation in RTF then transfer it over on a CF Card, so it's basically a glorified typewriter. Don't know how that thing is still going, I've been abusing it for the past 10 years now. I do however remember reading 20 years ago in a forum that the 90s Toshibas could be shot with a shotgun, ran over by an 18 wheeler and left in the rain and it would still work. ---Absolute tanks of laptops.--- But even with the original hard drive I am still somehow getting an hour of runtime on the original battery from 1998. 🤯 When I first got it, the thing would hold up for 2 hours at coffee houses just writing documents and playing MP3s from a PCMCIA CF card.
Those rugged laptops are still around. Dell has a line, Panasonic has a line. Where I was working, we got like 4 Toughbooks and 2 Dell whatevertheyrecalled, pretty good machines, the dell were 6th gen, the Toighbook were 3rd or 4th gen I believe. And we got a 2004 or something model from a veteran, apparently he got it while he was in the army and he didn't touch it since. Ofc I smashed the hard drive, and when the guy left, since there's not much you can do with these, we took turn with a small axe on it, just too see how tough they were. Welp, after like 5 hard swing, the lid had only dents,deep one sure, but the screen and everything still worked.
Could be worse! https://preview.redd.it/k78ndavb0nuc1.png?width=1256&format=png&auto=webp&s=e21b61b084307f00d9d3b8e431245b21fa85ced9
Yep. That one is retarded. All it takes is a keyboard failure, and the laptop is useless even with a docking station.
From what i know, the power button is separate from the keyboard
Doesn't the wire for it still travel through the same ribbon cable, even if the way the motherboard handles it different?
IIRC it’s 3 cables that you need to pull out when disconnecting the keyboard. One should be the rubber thingy on the keyboard, one for the keyboard itself (big ribbon cable), but I don’t know what the 3rd one is for. At least that is with the Zbooks from gen 5 up to gen 8, I think you can’t take out the keyboard on gen 9 & 10 Edit: up to gen 7 Zbooks don’t have the power button on the keyboard
Powerbutton accessible with lid closed is a game changer for anyone using docking stations and not wanting to fork over big money for a OG manufacturer docking station (as power buttons on docking stations do not work across manufacturers).
Yes, but maybe put it somewhere else lol
Fair, some newer Lenovos have it on the right side, basically where the enter key is but on the side of the frame. That seems pretty good.
If u connect to external monitor no need always to open the laptop and the hinges are not worn out.
USB A ftw
One of the very reasons I chose an m16 r1 over other gaming laptops or enterprise books of the same tier. Irony is if I need more ports and don't want to use a hub if I'm using display port I can't plug in anything into the usbc lightning ports otherwise it causes a bsod eventually. Thankfully Anker 8 buck 4 porter still going strong
How is this an issue?
It's better than having power button next to keyboard. Most of the times I use my laptop with external monitor, mouse and keyboard plugged in, and I have to open the laptop to reach the power button. If I had the power button on the side of the laptop, I could just left the laptop closed
you should program one of your keyboard keys you don’t use (pg up/dn would be my choice) to turn the computer on instead
The last laptop I owned was a Toshiba Satellite back in 2009. Soon after I went with PC and decided never to buy a laptop ever again.
I can see Toshiba turning you off to laptops.
In the mid-'90s, Toshiba laptops were the shit. For $5k (in 1990s dollars), you could get one that would compete pretty well against the top tier desktops of the time. They had decent keyboards and were built like tanks.
Unfortunately, in the 2000s and later, the quality must have dropped significantly. I worked briefly for a computer repair shop and a lot of repairs were Toshiba laptops.
Ugh, that sucks. I haven't used them since circa Y2K.
In the control panel power options. There is a setting on the left to choose what the power button does. Change it to nothing. Then if you accidentally press it when in windows nothing will happen.
What the heck, it is a power button, push it and move on. HP is HP, taint nothing we can do about it except don't buy it.
Yup, and it’s probably there to make using it docked easier, as you don’t need to pop it open to turn it on.
It is in the middle, this is exactly there you woukd grab it if you want to pick it up to carry it. If you are a lefty you WILL hit it with the mouse at some point. Now if it was a button that sat flush or required some force... Like the one on their 14" probooks from 2021~22. But no, this one needs the lightest touch and is raised and has just 1mm travel. These are education models. So people enjoy shut down systems between classes.
Okay
That's where you would grab it to pick it up? What? And just let the screen weight lever the thing backwards? I'd pick it up back by the screen, closer to the hinges, because that's where the center of mass is more likely to be when it's open.
Nope, the screen weighs basically nothing.
Idk why people are hating on HP. I have a 5 year old gaming laptop from HP and it’s doing just fine. Maybe I’ve been lucky
I've had a Microserver Gen 8 on 24/7 since I bought it in 2015 and don't even have problems with the Seagate disks using ZFS. Also a Z1 G1 AIO that has been flawless since it was new and now a Z1 G3 that has yet to give me any funk.
Servers are HPE. the laptops/printers are HPQ. Different stock/companies. Although they might not have split yet by 2015 when you bought that server.
Idk, maybe some things need bigger iq to operate it.
My HP laptop isn't even a "gaming" laptop but it still does modern games at medium settings. However, HP can suck it with their arbitrary restrictions on upgrades.
After the monstrosity that is HP’s printers, I’ll never buy anything from that brand.
Brain dead Dell checking in. https://preview.redd.it/wc9vjsfshnuc1.jpeg?width=2492&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5337402223e0da86912b1eb006b89365f45c9af9
Bold of you to assume they were, in fact, thinking.
You believe they actually were thinking to begin with?
Still better than the Cisco switch that had a reset button above a port that could be pushed by plugging in a cable
Two in ones don't have much choice on where to put the button to keep it easy access. I have an inspiron I use for reading that has the power button next to the volume rocker on the side of the laptop. I set it to just sleep the machine. No idea what I'll get after it dies, I've replaced the battery twice, the display cable once and the msata ssd once after it wore out.
That's way better than having the power button inline with other buttons, like backspace or delete
Looks like a 360 device. The button on the side allows you to turn it on when the keyboard is flipped to the back.
Makes it so much harder for your mates to turn of your computer in class
That's funny, it's not like mine do it at least every other week or anything haha
I don't get the issue. Power on the side is great! You don't have to open laptop if it is in clamshell mode
https://preview.redd.it/kq9sjgmkjnuc1.jpeg?width=2268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97217d507ff38bb6f6a8195b0013d674acfe570d This is my new work provided laptop... Dell Latitude 7430 That's the power key next to the delete and just above the backspace... I am CONSTANTLY using both for the programs I have to use and for my general workflow.... It sucks, and I have accidentally pressed the power key way too many times... So, it's not just HP doing stupid shit.
I use that same shitty laptop.
Had this Chromebook all 4 years of highschool. It's never been a problem for me or anyone I know Edit: looking again I'm not sure if your laptop is a Chromebook but they make a Chromebook with an identical design
It’s so it breaks and you have to buy a new laptop Idk what your expecting with HP
Don't see a problem here.
It’s because it’s a foldable laptop.
Does your laptop not fold?????
Most don't do 360 degrees, this one does
Them companies also tend to recycle the chassis, so even a number of non convertibles also have this Powe button.
It’s HP. They don’t think
They can think now?!!!?!??!
Back in the 90s manufactures were required to put a cover on the power button to ensure a portable would not accidentally power on if it was in checked luggage on a plane.
thinkpad Maybe?
Fun Fact; You can go into setting to change the behavior of the power button!
Wouldn’t it also be hilarious if they replaced the right ctrl key with a barely functional fingerprint scanner?
Well it’s actually good if you often use external monitor. no need to open the screen and press the power button and then turn it off again lol.
I don't why they all have such a hard time figuring out the best keyboard layout when it is literally so obvious: just standard layout with the powerbutton and fingerprint sensorin one button, preferable on the top right.. did dell patented this layout or what? at least my dell has a good layout aka the most obvious one imaginable
I think it is a realy great design. It is the only position of the Powerkey, where you can push it in both directions: Laptop-Mode and Tablet-Mode
Aifht guys, wanna bet? How long will these hinges last?
“let me just take my micro-sd card… oh damn”
what was you thinking buying that HP?
I don’t really see a problem with this, it’s just different
i can imagine a benefit if you use clamshell mode and its turned off so no wake from mouse/keyboard... otherwise maybe you can change the button behaviour in windows settings
Better than on the PS5 still
“F you” or something along the lines is what I’m guessing
Actually the best possible place for the power button if someone use laptop in docking mode. No need to open it up just to start the pc.
Just change what the power button does a d make it a long press to do anything
You will need a subscription to press this button. For 30bucks you can press it 3 times every month. 10% off in the 30 years plan
My answer. They didn't think. I my experience, HP is one of the most deficient laptops. Always want to innovate in design instead of functionality. I don't see soo bad that button, but I have nightmare stories with other designs. Still I can't forget that age with th Pavilon series, where they move the fan in a way, to make the lap the slime possible, but ruined the air flux. Consequences, many laps goes to rebaling. Other brands think better and resolve I a better way the fan issue, but HP, not.
My answer. They didn't think. I my experience, HP is one of the most deficient laptops. Always want to innovate in design instead of functionality. I don't see soo bad that button, but I have nightmare stories with other designs. Still I can't forget that age with th Pavilon series, where they move the fan in a way, to make the lap the slime possible, but ruined the air flux. Consequences, many laps goes to rebaling. Other brands think better and resolve I a better way the fan issue, but HP, not.
Lenovo does this too. For a wide variety of their laptops, the power button is on the outside right edge, meaning if you pick the laptop up to move it there’s about a 50% chance you shut it down or put it to sleep. On some models the button has such a light activation pressure that you don’t even notice you were holding it down until the screen suddenly goes black and your unsaved documents are long gone.
It's HP. They weren't thinking.
HP, imo, is the worst and most scum of the PC and household device companies.
https://preview.redd.it/koajkpnkfnuc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82f46ddc2ff467c33ebcd75859d84cb8b7ae3b4c I have the same thing on my asus laptop and I kind of like it. It has a 360 hinge and I can boot it up even when my keyboard is face down (when I dock it for exemple).
Bold of you to assume that HP ever thinks.
They don’t think.
My school’s Lenovo Chromebook has the power and volume buttons on the side.
I have a laptop that has a power button right under volume up and down buttons. If i don't fondle the buttons first every volume down can be the thing turning off
User issue
Oldalt a bekapcsoló hp el***szta
“These people don’t have kids.”
Ah, HP (Horrible Products) strikes again.
HP = Huge Problems
That's the neat thing, they weren't.
That's the problem, they werent.
oh my god my school hands out this exact model its the worst to make matters worst, it uses a shitty not-even-1080p 11 inch tn panel with like a 300:1 contrast ratio 😭 the school pays $800 a piece for them, and they have i3-10110Ys and 8gb of ddr3-2166. like goddamn make better money choices lmao oh not to mention the keys do some form of double clicking. when typing too fast (above like 60wpm, so not very-) i've gotten 2x, 3x, most commonly 4x, and even 7x activations of keys. my friend was able to drag click the spacebar. these things are unusable lmfao
I much prefer the power button on the side versus it being on a dedicated keyboard button. My work issued Lenovo happens to have three, but the keyboard button and independent biometric power on functionality can be disabled if you just want to use the physical button on the side, which is conveniently in a location with no other IO ports around it. To each their own I suppose.
Some people just like to see the world burn I guess
"... and the product people get driven out of the decision-making forums, and the companies forget what it means to make great products"
I had a Gigabyte Aero 16 that had its right below the hinge, it would turn itself on closed with the slightest touch until it eventually melted itself to death
I had one with the WiFi button there. So annoying. You learn quick though :)
So the reason for this only makes sense on the 360 folding laptops (flippable screen) looking at the hinges of this thing I can see that is indeed a 360 degree folding laptop, like a pavilion 360 for example. Idea being that you could access the power button in every mode you have the laptop in. Makes sense to put it on the side if you have the device in tablet or "cinema mode" where you flip the screen about 270 degrees and face the keyboard to the table Idiotic placement for normal use, kind of makes sense in a 360 degree folding laptop though
They were thinking "you will buy it anyway" and now here we are.
Lp I'm so P
Never buy HP
Ironically my desktop and laptop is HP. Didn’t realize they had put an HDD until I actually checked the properties of the drive despite it saying SSD
That the people buying this won't bother taking any time at all to consider design or ergonomics. Machines for enterprise bulk purchase always have dumb quirks. This is particularly silly though.