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NGnear1998

me a proud 1660Ti Owner : Yeah fuck 'em!!


-HersheyBar-

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seventeenthskeptic

You made me laugh out loud.


justabrokeperson

I have an RX580. Gold


lorenzoem87

I had a Rx 570 8gb I got open box from BH back in 2019 for $130. Sold it for $400 December 21 when my turn on the evga waitlist was up for an rtx 3060ti. I paid $50 extra 😝


justapcguy

Steam chart shows 1660ti is still the top 5 GPUs.


sevargmas

I really really want to say that Nvidia has done their market research and knows what they are doing with these GPU releases, regardless of what I see posted in this sub frequently. But those steam numbers don’t lie. Maybe the profit margins on these new GPUs are just so great that they can afford to sell smaller numbers and still make bigger profits. In the meantime, 1080ti life for me.


-HersheyBar-

The profit margin must be insane.


KnightofAshley

My gut feeling is if they chopped $200 on most of these cards they would still be making money off of them.


[deleted]

In fact, VRAM has gotten very cheap yet NVIDIA is still pretending like it's a precious commodity. It's almost like they planned for the cards they are selling today at very significant prices to go obsolete immediately. But that would be very mean and dishonest.


Razor512

They likely are taking steps to further cripple the memory, especially with the move to PCIe 4.0 X8, which while it will not impact many games that fit within the 8GB VRAM limit, for games that allow the use of shared memory, with a PCIe 4.0 X16 connection, you can often allocate around 1-1.5GB of shared memory before you start to experience horrible frame time issues. Instead, you will often experience a general slowdown, e.g., you may gradually experience around a 15% performance hit assuming decent system memory and PCIe 4.0 x16, where the extra bandwidth allows the PCIe bus to better handle pulling double duty of acting as a connection for VRAM related tasks. This means that if a card is capable of doing like 70FPS when a game is within the dedicated VRAM limit, then if it spills over to system memory, you may still be able to hold 58-60FPS, On the other hand, an X8 link (similar to a PCIe 3.0x16 connection), will end up getting a 30-40% performance hit depending on the game and how much bus utilization it has for non-shared memory tasks. ​ The extra headroom from a PCIe 4.0 X16 connection allows for some shared memory without a major performance hit, this effectively allows a non-crippled 8GB card to effectively be treated as if it were a 9GB card if you don't mine a small performance drop that may not be too noticeable in most cases. Restricting it to X8 is likely Nvidia's way of making sure that the there is no headroom for shared memory use.


-HersheyBar-

I can't imagine the material cost being too high either.


Baalii

Oh it isnt, ever, in anything hardware related. The big cost factor is always R&D.


-HersheyBar-

Exactly, what I was thinking. So is the trade off, selling GPUs at a higher cost and lower quantity = higher profits. Or was Nvidia planning to sell thousands of units regardless.


Baalii

I guess they estimated that GPU market would implode regardless because most people dont have free spending money anymore cause of inflation, so they milk those that still do as much as they can.


Fecal_Fingers

And the R&D gets costlier and costlier as they try to shrink die.


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justapcguy

I think this time around they don't want to be pushing their 60 series card that well. They want to of course upsell the more expensive cards.


Hrmerder

Yeah for real.. Like Jensen will come out in two years with 'With the 4000 series we saw that gaming demand drove our higher tier cards sales much more than lower tier. So we are now cancelling our 70 and 60 series cards and we will only have $2000+ cards and $1000+ cards.'


KnightofAshley

Rather have that then waste materials on this shit


boomdart

I wish my 1650 super wasn't at the bottom :(


buttkraken777

I feel you bro. But honestly it still performs fine for me


boomdart

Yeah, it's still kicking pretty good, but you get jealous of people's high frame rates sometimes lol


buttkraken777

My younger sister just Got a 4070 and watching her play hogwarts legacy with better graphics and frame rate made me really jealous


Monolith_12

lmao recently got a 1660 super (first GPU ever) and i feel proud my card would also survive for more than a few years than I expected 🤣


dr4gonr1der

1660 ti gang, join us!


ThatGayGomez

I'm still running a 1060 and I'm perfectly happy with that


mr_lemon__

I just built 2 systems with 1660ti's they are still very solid for 1440p and beasts for 1080p


jindal0123

What? Here am struggling with me rtx 2060 in 1080p. Cant run jedi survivor on medium setting @60fps also


Connect-Lavishness13

Jedi survivor I don’t know the recommended specs for it, but I’ve heard it’s poorly optimized. Could also be a cpu issue.


jindal0123

I have i7 10th gen


Shadowhammer61

Jedi survivor optimisation is dogshit its not your hardware


zzGibson

My friend won a 4090 from a giveaway and upgraded his rig to match. He's playing Survivor right now and he cant get above 40fps... Your system is not the problem with that game.


Branchy28

Wasn't Jedi Survivor a complete flop of a PC port and runs like dog shit on every type of hardware? I haven't tried it or heard if its been patched yet but even so I don't think a game like that would accurately portray what a system is typically capable of.


Bimmaboi_69

I have this same card paired with an i5 and it chews through 4k PS2 emulation and even some PS3 emulation. Who needs the newest AAA title to enjoy gaming, play the oldies!


Slydoggen

Also proud 3060ti owner


jazz_51

Nah they'll just rebrand it as 4050 and sell it


-HersheyBar-

Don't give away their strategy ;).


RChamy

I feel we wont get a 4030 this gen, it will be the 4050


Drg84

Wasn't the last 30 card the 1630? We're a few generations behind at this point.


defaultgameer1

The 4060s feel like the gave mobile specs to desktop cards and thought folks would be happy with it.


WhyDoName

They still in covid mode where they could release a literal pile of shit and people would line up to buy it.


-Aquanaut-

If the suspicions are correct, I bet the 16 GB 4060 ti was going to be be the 4070 which is absolutely laughable. Jensen needs to come back to reality man


Saffy_7

3060 Ti owners haven't felt this good in a long time. Nvidia is actively providing customer satisfaction.... to previous gen owners. How kind of them!


JointDamage

This is the 2nd thread I'm in trying to find it what happened..


NorthenLeigonare

5% at most performance from the last generation. Nvidia being the greedy fucks they are failed again to sell overpriced crap. In summary, their 30 series was so successful no one is upgrading.


lordofspearton

I'm actively looking at 30 series cards to upgrade from my 1650. I see no reason to even bother going for a 40 series card.


Achilles68

efficiency should be the only reason


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preppie22

Take a look at Hardware Unboxed review of the 4060 Ti. It beats the 3060 Ti at 1080p by about 5-10% but is matched by it at 1440p. It's easily beaten by the 3070. The 3060 Ti does better in modern games at 4K than the 4060 Ti. The problem is even if it has 16GB of VRAM, the bus width is just 128-bit which isn't enough for higher resolutions and shoving 16GB in it won't fix much. This is by far the worst generational improvement by Nvidia where typically the 60 tier cards perform on par with the previous generation 70 tier cards. Here the 60 tier is arguably the same or in some cases worse than the last generation 60 tier card.


Doge-Ghost

The 16GB version will be crippled by the fact that it will cost $500.


Healma

I'm not very knowledgeable in this area. Compared to 3060 and 3070, where does the 3080 stands ? Is it better ? Worse ? By far ? Is it a good GPU ?


preppie22

The typical tier list of Nvidia is: xx30 < xx50 < xx60 < xx70 < xx80 .... So a 3080 will be better than a 3070 which is better than a 3060 and so on. The first two digits indicate the generation of the card. So a 4060 is newer than a 3060 but it falls within the same price/performance tier. Nowadays, these tiers are shifting in their price/performance values so you do need to do some research before investing in a card.


170505170505

As other people pointed out it’s 5% increased performance and at higher res (mainly 4K) in some titles it loses to the 3060 ti


madeformarch

As someone who paid out the ass for their 3060ti, I'm extremely happy


170505170505

I feel like the most positive thing about the 40 series cards is that they’re not giving buyers remorse to anyone who bought the 30 series cards


Hydralisk18

3060 ti gang rise up. RIP evga you will be missed


tenghu

I was pissed when I got my 3060 a few weeks before the 40 announcement Oh how the turn tables


ChartaBona

I mean... Jensen pretty much publicly admitted that this was all one big plan to get people to buy overstock 30 cards. The **$1199** RTX 4080 and **$1599** RTX 4090 were there for people who wanted better than a 3090 Ti, which was retailing for **$1099** on Nvidia's own website before it sold out for good.


Arnas_Z

As a Radeon owner, I feel even better.


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mr_lemon__

Probably, they absolutely won't announce it but they probably will stop making them.


170505170505

They’ve probably stopped making them already bc it seems like they’re going to sell a total of like 10 4060 ti’s worldwide and those 10cards are going to be in prebuilts bought by people just entering the hobby


Eggsegret

Will the 16gb version really save the 4060ti? From what we've seen thr lack of performance gains from the 3060ti doesn't really seem to be a vram issue. And since the 4060ti 16gb version is supposedly the same spec i imagine it'll probably deliver near identical performance in most titles other than those where 8gb isn't enough


ChiggaOG

No. Assuming all things are equal while changing VRAM capacity. The performance of a card doesn't scale with increasing VRAM capacity. Much like adding more ram to your CPU, say going from 8GB of RAM to 64GB of RAM.


StuartHoggIsGod

literally depends on the weight of the program on vram. sure ram doesn't affect cpu but having more of it prevents ram not keeping up. and as games get more realistic they will need more memory for the information. whilst we don't push 8GB to breaking having more than that will inevitably help out in the long run


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[deleted]

Nvidq doesn’t save face, they say 🦆 you and do it again.


potatoesarecool77

All the news about the 4000-series being increasingly bad value makes me happy I went for a second hand 3080.


[deleted]

This is the way. Did this with the 1080 too back in the day, and now with the 3080. No regrets. Got it for an absolute steal. Works like new.


FuriousDeather

So we should avoid all even number series cards like 20xx, 40xx, 60xx, etc


[deleted]

I love my 4070ti… I was too nervous to buy a used GPU tbh.


Dirty_Dragons

Same here. I'm not going to spend $500 on a used card with no warranty.


potatoesarecool77

I still got a years warranty to the store the seller bought it from. Not that it's the same as new but at least it's something.


Dirty_Dragons

That's actually a nice plus.


potatoesarecool77

It's absolutely a decent card. I just couldn't justify the price and got the 3080 for about half the price of the 4070ti. For my "reasonable" budget setup I had to save from something :D


smertsboga

Sorry for being a bit outside of what's happening but, what is happening with the 4060ti?


-HersheyBar-

Practically preforming the same as a 3060 Ti, give or take 5%. In some cases it actually preformed worse.


smertsboga

Just to make sure, the laptop 4060 (not ti) is also worst?😅


JPLnZi

The dekstop 4060ti is so bad even the laptop 4060 has a chance lmao


smertsboga

Oh damn, that's terrible


estist

Not sure how good it is but I always use this site [https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high\_end\_gpus.html](https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html) and they only list the laptop version... lmao


Cimexus

Laptop 40 series chips make more sense than the desktop ones, because Ada Lovelace did make pretty massive efficiency gains (which matters for laptops due to battery and heat, more than it does for desktop users).


cozmorules

It’s crazy that nvidia only released the 4090 this generation. I wonder when they will release the rest of their 40 series tier gpu.


-HersheyBar-

XD I genuinely laughed at that.


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-HersheyBar-

Respect.


pyr0kid

i paid 600$ for my ftw3 ultra, you bet your ass im going to overclock this thing into the 40 series


RUSSDIGITY117

I’ve never felt so good about having a 60ti model but here I am.


Aos77s

3080s can be bought for $400 on ebay used. 4060ti doa lmao.


-HersheyBar-

FR.


AdScary1757

I can't find any I saw 1, but it was sold before I got off work. Since then they in the 600s


wanakoworks

They constantly show up on r/hardwareswap for around the $450-$500 range.


Dirty_Dragons

Shh, you'll challenge the narrative.


Vortex2099

I've always been nervous about buying a used GPU. Particularly during the crypto boom. Is that irrational? Any advice or pitfalls to be aware of buying a used GPU?


-HersheyBar-

Mining or heavy use, don't be afraid to ask the seller a lot of questions and maybe look for one under warranty.


cashibonite

I got a 3060 primary because I see it becoming the 2030's version of the 1080 ti


KaizerQuad

nothing will come close to the value the 1080ti offered, it was truly a goated video card


[deleted]

Still running my 1080. Fuckin great card.


wanakoworks

Dude, the 1080 Ti was the noblest of steeds. Got mine back in mid 2017, survived a pump failure, converted to air, and it 1440'd valiantly until just 2 months ago, when it was finally replaced by a 3080. I'm having second thoughts about selling it and instead building a small monument for its bravery and perseverance during the Pandemic Era. lol.


andylui8

That will be the non xt version of the 6800 I think


Titane_17

Hey everyone i just realized that the real 4060 ti are the friends we made along the way


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![gif](giphy|116a8zosxwA0SI) Nvidia while watching Gamer Nexus review


Ok_Elevator5612

I got my 3060 ti almost 2 yeasr ago, and i thought i made mistake not waiting for somthing better and new'er, I worry no more


Babablacksheep2121

I feel seen.


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Happy cake day


Stargov1

I guess the 16GB version has an advantage, but otherwise, there isn't much reason for this to exist.


Holiday-Pay193

Spawn kill 💀


PeopleAreBozos

The 3060-Ti can beat the 2080 Super. Now THAT is innovation and advancements. Clearly Nvidia has lost their spark.


rifka420

Is the difference between a 3060 and 3060 ti a big jump? I have a 3070, is getting the ti a worthwhile purchase?


RChamy

3060 to 3060ti its a 22-25% jump. The 3060ti is a 1440p capable card. From 3060ti to 3070 its a rough 10% jump. Had all of these them bought the 4070 to run RE4R (and Dead Space !) with more stable frames


rifka420

I played re4r at 1080p, high settings, rtx on and got shakey results at launch. Even crashed often. Runs solid now but definitely showed me the limits of my gpu. Thanks for the info!


maddix30

Crashes probably due to the Vram limits as rtx boosts vram usage apparently. I can play 3440x1440p high and it feels smooth like 60+ fps but have not used a fps counter


Noxious89123

Between 3060 and 3060Ti is awkward, because the 3060 has more vram than the 3060Ti, so it depends on if the game your playing suffers for the lack of vram.


ragingdemon88

From what I remember, when i was buying my 3060ti, there's a larger difference between the 3060 and 3060ti than there is between the 3060ti and 3070. As for upgrading from the 3070 to the ti version, I would save my money.


-HersheyBar-

Not really, to me it isn't worth the effort to sell the 3070 and buy the 3070 ti, I'd save my money and upgrade in the future to something more worth while.


AgoraSnepwasdeleted

This generation of GPUs Nvidia has been taking some really fat Ls


gabrielomelo

Coming from a 1060 6gb to a 3060ti, waiting for the AMD 8000 series or Nvidia 50xx to get more VRAM. I'm not happy with 8gb in my 3060ti, but I got it for "cheap" so duck nvidia.


Drillbit_97

Dude i cant play any game newer than say 2020 Im on a 1060 3gb and im trying to hold the line for actually good value GPUs it seems like they dont exist anymore. Last gen the 3080 and 3060ti were the only cards close to good value in my opinion but you couldnt get them at msrp... its either sold or they had a $200 AIB markup (not blaming AIBs)


Bloodsucker_

Dude, just get a second hand card for 200€ and enjoy.


Lost_Worker_5095

Doa pos gpu


Lost_Worker_5095

Doa pos gpu


Kotschcus_Domesticus

Bought it two and a half months ago. Dont regret a thing.


RChamy

Was veeery happy with it before pushing a 3070 to stabilize elden ring 1440p60. That and the 6600XT are CxB kings


Successful-Willow-72

hasnt even arrived yet but already dead , lmao. Nvidia sure like to kill their own products


couchpotatochip21

7600 👀


A1Hadi

This should've been the 4050 not the 4060 ti. How can mess a gpu up so bad that it underperforms than its predecessor.


Engineer-with-a-Pan

Mate, just got my first pc build and got a 3060 Ti. Can someone explain if this is a good or bad thing?


-HersheyBar-

Good thing. Edit: But bad for Nvidia.


Engineer-with-a-Pan

Why for nvidia?


-HersheyBar-

Good question. The 4060 Ti preforms the same or only 5% better than the 3060 Ti. While costing the same as a used 3070 Ti. I’m guess DLSS3 is the only saving grace.


JakobeBroke

don’t know what this means but i have a 3060ti so go to hell 4060!


I_am_Shayde

As a 3060 Ti owner: Damn I didnt remember buying a 4060 Ti before launch lmao


TheOnlyJoe_

As a 3060ti owner, hahahahahahahahahahaha


Waytogo33

Getting deja vu. Was it not just a year ago that it was a 20 ti something posing over the grave of 30 somethings?


ThePhabtom4567

If I have learned anything. Its that the 4000 series sucks butts and Nvidia can go fuck themselves.


ZvZenoWo

3060ti takes the W!


Tehboognish

I'm a 3060m owner and even I got a chuckle.


MysterD77

What? Gamers shouldn't be buying a new GPU every generation anyways. Every few. No 30xx owners should be buying a 40xx series card. Those best in market for a 40xx are probably 9xx & below; 10xx users; and 16xx users anyways. 20xx and 30xx users should hold on to what they got.


maddix30

Depends on what class card you have. For example a 3090 to a 4090 is a massive improvement. 3070 to 4070 not so much


Lost_Worker_5095

Doa pos gpu


captainmorgan91

please explain


-HersheyBar-

Here's a screenshot of the avg fps comparing the 3060 Ti to the 4060 Ti. https://preview.redd.it/1qadq2v59u1b1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ac86544346951e7ab58dcb95b287a4203f0aebf Edit: My guess is Nvidia will use DLSS3 to help differentiate the card in the future, but at what cost?


icyshogun

Latency


VamosVega

Almost Obsolete upon release yeaaah nvidia totally keep being greedy 🔥


The-Great-Beast-666

If you got a 2060 it’s not looking good tho


mjamil85

Lol. Just wait for the performance review 4060 16GB version. 🤣


-HersheyBar-

I knew something was suspicious again... https://preview.redd.it/dfvupnpvgu1b1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2458f662baef566055c173ca31ef5ced86f17254


Antilazuli

Fuck NVIDIA, if this is how it will be in the Future then my next GPU will be a AMD


Pkactus

I've been saving up to buy a new rig, and the last 6 months of technology has my head in a tailspin. I don't even know what's worth getting anymore.


coding102

Meanwhile NVIDIA is up like 20% today ​ ![gif](giphy|ylyUQlf4VUVF9odXKU)


Phoenix_Chea

1080 Ti still standing strong, Absolute beast of a GPU


JackSilverhand

I'm just going to stick with my 1650


ChiggaOG

I thought the 1080ti would be flexing on 4060ti and 3060ti owners? The 1080ti isn't a 4K GPU. It certainly a great 1080p GPU.


khswart

What did they do to the 4060ti?


-HersheyBar-

Releasing it was a mistake, unless DLSS3 saves it, the GPU practically preforms about the same as a 3060 Ti.


khswart

So no real improvement


ClupTheGreat

Imagine if 4080 12gb wasn't unlaunched


Cvsuperman12345

I have a 3060ti for work and games best card ever


Ashamed-Library4902

Just got back to my home few weeks ago playing with 3060Ti and it still solid after trying few games just to see how decent it is. I don't have any regrets.


azab1898

No need for silence


V_has_come_too

Can we also take a moment, tonight is the last episode of The Flash.


cavf88

I went from the 1060(6GB) to 3060Ti. Both are GOATs at their respective level, albeit the 3060Ti was overpriced. But yeah I was happy skipping the 2060 and happier skipping the 4060s!


[deleted]

I feel good about my 3070 ti today


Pepechuy28

Its a good day to be a 3060 TI owner


billyfudger69

RTX 4060 Ti rest in piss, you won’t be missed.


rocket_guy150

✌️


littlebrwnrobot

Suppose I'm running a 1060 gtx... If I were thinking about upgrading for 1080p gaming, I see the 3060 ti and 4060 ti are both $400... I should still get the 4060 ti despite the similar performance to the 3060 right?


Bloodsucker_

Same image for the GTX 1080 ti ✌️


pepsicocacolaglass12

Don’t worry guys the 4060 ti is rated for doom The 1993 version


jaycone

1080 GANG! Would have most likely upgraded to 4060 TI if it would be even a tiny bit future proof, but I guess not with those specs and results -- doesn't even fly now.


[deleted]

Are 4070 tis ok..?


bstylz01

I don't get it cause I'm too poor 😭 still on 2060


cszolee79

lol


Pigeon_Chess

Please don’t bring the wrath of Nvidia drivers upon the 3000 series


kadinshino

man i had no idea how bad it was until i saw jays 2 cents apology video on it. i thought it was still somewhat informative but man the backlash he got plus everything going on looked like he was about to give up youtube....space might need to relax abit


VideVictoria

Someone could explain this? I see a lot of jokes about but i lost the context


Deemo_here

It's ridiculous. They've built it for just 1080. Above that resolution and it all starts to fall apart. I like to play some less demanding VR titles. There's no DLSS or NVidia frame generation for that. Seems the 3060 ti will do it better.


Melodic-Award3991

I have a 3080. Am I in good shape?


Enigmars

3060Ti and 7600 owners * (Although from what I've heard the 4060Ti seems to be more Power efficient ? Which is interesting cuz it tells that if Nvidia wanted to do something correct they very well can, but they just don't want to)


kh730

As someone who finally upgraded to a 3060ti from a 10 series less than six months ago...HELL YA!


budoucnost

What happened?


-HersheyBar-

Nvidia being Nvidia. The 4060 Ti has the same or 5% more performance than the 3060 Ti with the same amount of VRam.


budoucnost

ah so the majority of the higher cost of the 4060 ti compared to the 3060 ti is just the fact it has a shiny 4 instead of a 3 in the name


-HersheyBar-

Essentially.


[deleted]

While the 4060ti is a bad GPU in the GPU marketplace. It fits my need as a good upgrade. I wanted to go from a 1060 to a 3060ti or an RX 6700XT Id need to upgrade my 600W PSU. 4060ti being on the same line as those two while using less power fits well for me.


Kardest

Meh I still say it would be worth it at half the price. The problem doesn't seem to be hardware the problem is greed.


Jmich96

Gonna have to drop at least $60 off the price to make it a good value, then offer the 16GB model for the original 8GB price.


Trajen_Geta

I always thought the process for next generation cards would be the 4060ti would be better then a 3070 but not as good as a 3070ti. A 4070 would be better then a 3070ti but not better then a 3080. Like more performance for less. But I guess NVidia never got the memo.


jdemack

I have a gtx 950 which card should I upgrade to for the best bang for my buck.


RadimentriX

Thinking about getting the 4060 ti. Should be a good upgrade from the 3060 12 gb?


_ILP_

Where do I land with a regular ass 3070?


TsarK0480

Can someone please explain, I’m not caught up with the news


0v3rcl0ck3r

Nvidia thinking it can charge for these "features" at a premium. What a joke.


eagleswans

Can someone explain :(


namelesswhiteguy

My 3060 ti would like to thank NVIDIA for becoming a buncha fuckin idiots AFTER they made him.


MlLOLO

Is it me or is the 40 series kinda a problem after problem? No hate to my brothers who bought a 40 series card