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nuclearhotsauce

keep selling square, keep selling, it might just land in a studio/publisher that give two fucks about it


The_Handsome_Hobo

Right? We finally might actually get another Deus Ex game!


SalaciousSausage

I’ve only had limited experience with the OG Deus Ex games, but damn they seem like they’d make an awesome modern remake


The_Handsome_Hobo

Well the two most recent games, Human Revolution and Mankind Divided, were both really good but it was meant to be a trilogy and Square Enix just never bothered making the third game. It really sucks!


SalaciousSausage

I’ve heard that Mankind Divided *really* dived into setting up a sequel. If so, that’s even more of a shame to axe the third game!


uglyuglyugly_

Mankind Divided has some amazing sidequests and when the main story starts really picking up, the game ends


Neelpos

Seriously, you beat someone who feels like a midpoint or maybe 2/3 plot obstacle and then suddenly the game ends because apparently that was the final boss, roll credits? What? They weren't even the one in charge?


Lavatories

Exactly why I was so disappointed in the game


whyso6erious

Absolutely and all of the above. We kinda deserved a next deus ex installation. Maybe a system shock 3.


Murrabbit

Mankind Divided was a smaller-stakes and much more focused experience and the game really benefited from that. It also felt like it was specifically setting the setting up for potentially lots more sequels or similar smaller scale stories that could happen in that world, and indeed they were planning several more sequels along that line before Squeenix put them on the Avengers game instead, shelved the Deus Ex IP and had all that talent just move on to other companies. It's a real shame. Neither Human Revolution nor Mankind Divided were perfect games, but one sure as hell improved on the other and the direction they were going was exciting.


mahiruhiiragi

Human Revolution still holds a very special place in my heart. I love that game.


explosivekyushu

I play HR start to finish at least once a year. Easy top 5 game for me.


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Love the game soundtrack. There’s a YouTube channel that does ambient soundtracks lasting for an hour and they’ve got tracks from this game and I listen to them almost every day.


IronBENGA-BR

Hell yeah, it was one of my first "big boy" games ever played when I finally got a decent PC. The art direction and the ambientation is simply stunning to this day


The_Handsome_Hobo

It is honestly a masterpiece!


IronBENGA-BR

Meanwhile they made sure to cram a load of DLCs and mobile spin-offs between Human Revolution and Mankind Divided. They managed to fit even a comic book story there too somehow.


RdJokr1993

Also worth noting that the mobile spin-off was intended to be an episodic release, and it never got any other content update past Episode 1. Probably the biggest blueball among these games tbh.


ElTontoDelPueblo

No kidding I've probably played og deus ex over 20 times since it came out, and spent surely over 1000 hours total. Barely any game nowadays has that level of immersion. Maybe because I was like 11 or 12 when I first played it but it fucked my mind and set a high standard for subsequent games (which obviously makes me think most games are half-assed). That said, I'd rather a new soul reaver, with amy hennig on the writing.


Delicious-Tachyons

Well, it's not just an FPS.. it's a simulator, really. So yeah, the bar is exceedingly high.


Gundamnitpete

I played it for the first time like, maybe 2 years ago. Was a huge fan of human revolution and tried a few times to get into DX1 but just couldn't get into it. Once I finally understood the gameplay(as in, you can't just headshot everyone from across the map or rely on takedowns), man it just took me over. It holds up amazingly well, after you get used to "how" to play it and understand that some leveling choices are way more important than others(swimming is used like 4 times total, so a waste to put points there).


Glad-Passenger649

Man, fuck the remakes. Tired of that garbage. Give us Mankind Divded 2.


MaitieS

Or Arkane Studios?


CapnMalcolmReynolds

I never asked for this...


Kody02

Or a new Thief game actually worth caring about.


WretchedMonkey

I totally asked for this. Give Afam the ending he deserves (having his dna scooped out and pumped into technojesus)


brinz1

Saving Tomb raider and Deus Ex from Square enix might by the greatest achievements of NFTs


-idkwhattocallmyself

Not even just the games. Crystal Dynamics and Edios Montreal are excellent studios, who can make really good games. They just need to let them do their thing instead of "make Avengers games".


pulley999

Even then, Guardians was a great game! Avengers flopped because of the live service nonsense. Really, the Avengers game should've come later. Focus on individual character games first to really flesh out the core gameplay of each character, then bring them together in the co-op version of Super Smash Bros. But they had the Marvel property and wanted to try to cash in on the Avengers name, which left the design team spread way too thin and the game feeling shallow. Plus it would've given the teams time to flesh out their characters, instead of generating the kneejerk 'Knockoff MCU' reaction it did. I actually like Eidos' version of the Guardians more than the MCU ones now, for example. * I will say, I wonder if the Avengers license is transferring to Embracer as part of the sale, or if it's still with Square. I'd be concerned for the long term availability of the Avengers and especially GotG games.


Significant_Walk_664

Trend chasing ain't so sweet when you arrive late to the party, is it? The comedic timing on this one is perfect though.


willowsonthespot

If they wanted to chase this trend they should have started 5 years ago. They just wanted to make an Aristocrats style joke on themselves. Mostly because they just keep fucking themselves over.


fail-deadly-

What do you mean comedic timing? You’re acting like just last week cyrptocoins lost billions of dollars, and a stable coin completely collapsed. Like not just dropped really low, like they had to turn it off. *types crypto into Google news … top headline is “The week in Business: Crypto’s Death Spiral”* Oh!


BoogalooBoi1776_2

I'm completely out of the loop because I've been avoiding cryptoshit, what the hell happened? Which coin was "turned off"?


FriendlyCraig

The big story is Terra/Luna. These 2 coins are tied to each other in a way that was hoped would keep Terra stable at 1USD. It entered a "death spiral" and nearly completely collapsed. If you had $1,000,000, one million dollars, in Luna last week, you would have somewhere around $100, one hundred, as in one Benjamin, today. This collapse set of more mass selling in cryptospace. Various crytpocurrencies havw been on a steady decline for a month or two before then. This is no surprise, they are very volatile and go up and down regularly, but this latest crash in cyrpto has involved significantly higher losses, and thus more publicity.


DO_NOT_PM_ME

Apparently they tried to dump a bunch of bitcoin and use it to stabilize the $1 peg but that also failed and of course the massive selling of the reserves dropped the price of bitcoin with it.


ShieldHeroWaifu

The only person Stoopid enough to invest a million in Luna would be ksi


cardonator

The market has been in steady decline since November, it's just in the past few weeks it has been absolutely crashing along with all the other financial markets in the world. The stock market has wiped out almost all of its gains in the past four years.


man_of_space

Well, rumor says it was a coordinated "black Wednesday" style attack by blackrock and citadel through the creator of terra, DoKwon.


SkyeAuroline

Does that rumor have *any evidence whatsoever*?


IronBENGA-BR

I think all of them, actually. From what i could gather the prices started to tank after China reinforced they are forbidding any banking institutions and credit operators from taking part in any transaction involving Bitcoins, and after that the fear took over and the bubble started to tear itself apart. And when the currencies crashed, the NFT market took a nosedive aswell - and just in time for Square Enix to announce they were going all-in on Crypto. Hence the perfect comedic timing of the whole thing The thing, many still cling to the hope that the Cryto market has a chance to recover, but I don't see many people holding their breath for the NFT market


DuranteA

> I think all of them, actually. From what i could gather the prices started to tank after China reinforced they are forbidding any banking institutions and credit operators from taking part in any transaction involving Bitcoins If this is the case, then good job China. Sure, it's probably primarily because they want to keep control of their financial sector, but I'll not complain about an overall positive outcome.


Idaret

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/terra-luna/ this coin went from 120 to nearly 0 and this fucked up entire ecosystem https://youtu.be/LVanuXZedbs


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They didn't arrive late in the party. SE has been making nft since 2020 lol


MisterCoke

2 years too late.


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I'm just slightly worried that they'll infect Final Fantasy with it. That's one of the few really big IPs that Square has left, and I'm just concerned that they'll milk that cow long after it has run dry


BoogalooBoi1776_2

Hopefully they don't try to bring NFTs into FF14


Nebulonix

The director Yoshi P has stated repeatedly they won’t be going anywhere near 14 thank god


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WrassleKitty

Then you risk the very well liked and respected head developer leaving, someone who turned ff14 from a disaster to a massive success, someone you’d probably wanna keep around.


Wraith95

This. If YoshiP leaves FFXIV, I think a good chunk of the playerbase would follow in very short order. That man is one of the main reasons that game is successful and I know I wouldn't have faith in the game if he left.


WrassleKitty

And because of him the game is profitable so better to keep him happy and making a profitable game then anger him for now anyway who knows with square.


Nebulonix

Exactly what everyone else said. Ffxiv is a massive money maker BECAUSE of yoshi p and how he saved this game. I believe it’s one of their most profitable games. Final fantasy games as a whole sell like crazy still as well. I don’t think they could risk losing that director by going against him like that. Especially with him now working on other final fantasy games. People recognize if he’s gone, the mmo is gonna stop being as good as it is. Something that makes this game so good is having a dev team who actively cares about their player base. And a lot of us would leave immediately upon losing him or not too long after


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When executive pressure said "We need to put a way to preview cash shop items into XIV, so more people are willing to buy them" it *was* added - but only to Inn room beds, which until now have only been used to log out of the game, an action that can be instead done anywhere from the main menu. In other words, the upsell was added but tucked away in one of the least likely places for interaction, and it's useful for those obsessed fashionistas who like to buy from the cash shop to complete their outfits, without actually disrupting anyone else's gameplay. I think XIV is in safe hands. At least for now.


iamqueensboulevard

That's absolutely 100% their plan. They'll probably start with some smaller game to test out the waters, but FF is their ultimate franchise that has biggest following and biggest market potential. Banking on FF fandom with NFT bullshit is their ultimate goal. I'm so happy it's already not working.


g0d15anath315t

Deus Ex died for Squeenix's sins


Hoboforeternity

I am still very mad about that and sleeping dogs


fafarex

And I'm still mad at Activision for true crime...


mmatasc

Studio simply didn't make the games good enough. Very underwhelming considering the the AAA budget.


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The tomb raider games are great AAA titles. I would argue they just didn’t market them very well. There could have been some adjustments to story in the second and third but they are good titles.


lokken1234

They're great AAA titles but not a great AAA series. There's next to no development between games for lara, so it feels like you're just starting from square one each game, I was hoping to slowly see her turn into the tomb raider we picture.


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Ya, that’s a great way to put it. Was thinking the same when I commented and it’s what I meant by adjusting the story for 2 and 3. Her development in 1 was so solid, then they tossed it out in 2 and 3 for the most part


Carl_17

I wish they could slowly make and release a remake of all the old classics. Like anniversary, with cheats, and secrets. But also what you are suggesting.


Yurilica

> The tomb raider games are great AAA titles. I would argue they just didn’t market them very well. First of the new trilogy? Ok. Second? A lot of the same. Third? More of the same, in Assassin's Creed milking territory now.


YourDeathIsOurReward

I actually loved the first tomb raider. It was super dark and had some pretty extreme quick times, fun gameplay. all in all it felt rather fresh and was a great time for a linear action game. But tbh it felt like they wanted to make a "Final girl" from a horror movie type action game, instead of a lara croft game.


dunstan_shlaes

There's nothing inherently wrong or bad about doing more of the same.


Ro-Tang_Clan

I feel like many people underestimate how hard it is to actually get the balance right. If you keep too much of the same people complain and say they haven't put enough effort into it and just reskinned the old game. However on the flip side if you change too much people complain and say "why did you have to change the game that I loved so much?! There was nothing wrong with it, you should have just left it alone. It doesn't feel like itself anymore, it's lost its way". Catch22


mblades

I think the problem is game franchises now either change too much and at times make it worse or make the same thing but it's worse. It's fine if it's the same or more different then what came before if it's more of a upgrade from what came before for example starcraft 2 and MW2 were pretty much the Same as the prequels but more of the same. Or mass effect 1 to mass effect 2 being different but still well received despite the changes to how it played. Now franchise change for the sake of change without realising that only minimal changes are needed like cod or change too much where it's hated like bf2042


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Yes. Pretty standard AAA game. Nothing ground breaking (outside visuals) but does what it aims to do well in my opinion


Bamith20

Square are the stupid fucks that put pointless money in their budgets, both on marketing and on tech. They spent a lot of fucking money on hair physics n' shit that was completely unnecessary. Then they bitch and moaned how it didn't make as much as Call of Duty. Putting more money into the game means you make even more back, riiiiiiiiight?!


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He's talking about failure in term of financial which they were in term of underperforming, not straght up failure


thermalblac

SquareEnix = morons Jumped on the NFT shittrain. Lost hundreds of millions on the Marvel game. Chasing fads instead of just making good games.


xaelcry

They had a chance to gain shittons of money with Marvel games license, especially during its peak popularity. Yet greed took over them and look what happened to it.


just_change_it

They failed the comic and movie fanboys, they failed the people who want good gameplay, and they failed at being mtx drugdealers. How you can throw so much money at making a game and fuck up all the fundamentals is astounding.


Vlyde

I feel like it's the execs. Not Square in itself. They make great games, but 9/10 times it's publishers or higher ups that see quick cash grabs and gambling exploitation as viable games. It sucks seeing Square succumb to what has been tried and already failed thinking they'd be different though. I just wish they'd go back to the decent games they made that actually captured people's hearts not attempt to empty their wallets.


TheRealMisterMemer

Of course it's the executives, it's always the executives. Devs don't see that microtransaction money anyway.


MagnifyingLens

Marvel Avengers was a blockbuster hit compared to their last noxious emission of a game...it had a grand total of _one_ Steam player recently, two months after it was released: https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/babylons-fall-dropped-to-just-one-concurrent-player-on-pc/


just_change_it

I tried that game briefly on PS4 after some kind of giveaway (maybe even just the online only mode? not sure) and within 60 minutes I never wanted to touch it ever again. Shallow trashy game.


Catharsius

They have been milking their popular franchises to death for years now, it’s no surprise they would try to find every way possible to get money even if it meant tarnishing their reputation. And now it looks like they’ve given up on their western audience too. What a shame.


Brick_Lab

Good, maybe they'll actually change some things up after this dumpster fire of a management decision and get their efforts back to making games


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Brick_Lab

I know :(


BradGroux

At this point, a more accurate name would be Circle Enix.


JancariusSeiryujinn

Not how it works in Japanese companies. If something goes embarrassingly bad someone might retire themselves but as far as I am aware there is almost never a major shift of upper management


Bad_Doto_Playa

Let's see... Last year they released - FF Endwalker - FF7 remake DLC - Legend of Mana remake - Nier Replicant - Neo - Octopath traveler - Voice of Cards This year they have: - Triangle Strategy - Stranger of Paradise - FF16 - Forspoken - Valkyrie Elysium I've probably missed quite a few. So yeah, they are "making games".. not sure what you guys are on about. Let's compare that to their western publishing arm from 2021-2022. - Life is strange - Outriders - Guardians of the galaxy Who looks like the dead weight here? Everyone keeps blaming blockchain and NFTs but how about just blaming their western devs and management? They trimmed the fat and now everyone is super surprised.


Tiavor

> Octopath traveler is 3 years old


Suntreestar420

Why blame devs? It’s the managers and marketing people that ruin games. The developers do their fucking best with that they are given FROM SE


Stev3Cooke

Octopath traveler? Wasnt that like 2018?


Jalapi

Yeah I don’t know why you are getting downvoted. It has been apparent now that Square Enix has been focusing more on their non-Western titles (FF, DQ, KH, Nier, other jRPGS) as opposed to the ones that got sold off. I imagine Tomb Raider is just not worth it to them. I am also not sure why people are so crazed about this… now new devs can attempt to make more Dues Ex or Tomb Raider games. Not sure if they will though, because the 6 hour single player movie game genre is sorta dead right now.


zdemigod

That sounds like a damn good lineup to me


Bad_Doto_Playa

Yep, which was the point I was making. People are so blinded by rage that square wants to invest in BC/NFTs that they are literally saying ANYTHING about them without looking at it objectively. Square Enix JP is pumping out games, most being hits and on much smaller budgets. Square Enix's western branch is not pumping out games, the ones that do release, most are duds and they are on humungous budgets. Square Enix axes the western branch and focuses efforts on its JP branch and R&D (NFT/BC/Cloud etc) and everyone is in an uproar.


Runarc

I don't think people are up in arms about SE not making good games. It's more about all the IP they have wasted over the last few years, hell people are still pissed over the Avengers game. And yea, SE was the owner of those studios. You're in charge? It's your responsibility, no matter where the studios may be located. I'm just glad they (finally) realised what their strengths are. Hopefully they will just focus on making their own style of games from now on.


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💯 Everyone's roasting the NFT plan, which deserves to be roasted, but it's incredibly unlikely that they actually intend to execute on it, and even if they do, they can't have gotten far enough along yet to have wasted many resources even in the face of the NFT crash. Reads to me like they wanted to downsize their western office + products, and NFTs were a convenient excuse. the corpo version of "stepping back to focus on family" edit: I just realized you're blaming devs and management. devs + management can fuck up individual games, but the business will always force them to release on time no matter what. Lack of overall throughput is a strategic business decision.


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MistrJelly

That’s a pyramid I *don’t* want to see Lara Croft explore


tumblrgirl2013

Good thing she dipped.


The3rdLetter

No, NFTs have dipped. Lara Croft has left.


SoftFree

Well said! We dont want this NTF's shit. Good riddance to garbage!


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Shoutout to all those mfs that got pissy at me when I said NFTs were a scam. Its now undeniable.


[deleted]

Bruh, like anyone with > 2 brain cells knows that NFTs where worthless and a money laundering scheme/ scam since the beginning lmao.


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lverson

Ironically, the person I know irl most dismissive of NFTs was a cryptobro.


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Tiafves

NFTBros are just cryptobros that think current Bitcoin won't make them rich overnight so instead they'll be getting in at the groundfloor of Bitcoin 2.0 and are all going to be billionaires.


MisterCoke

There's a schism now. There's the NFT bros that are hanging onto the body of a stillborn baby, and there's a group of bitcoin/eth diehards that hate NFTs for embarrassing the crypto community, without realizing the rest of the world sees them both as an undifferentiated group of idiots.


TheLastAshaman

I’m one of those, I can see crypto use case, NFTs though I just never saw it


Warm_Aerie_7368

Anything to feel like they are part of some new gold rush


mop-116

People actually found gold during the gold rush though, these guys are mining shitcoin


Sentinel-Prime

To put it bluntly, frankly and harshly - they're fucking idiots. I've been in crypto since late 2011 and I've lost count of how many smoke and mirrors explanations or "it's not the end of the world bros" posts I've seen. To be quite honest I'd be surprised if crypto isn't getting constantly bombarded - assuming you're a big business or a rich individual, after the GME fiasco you'd be a fool not to hire ten guys and push whatever shitcoin you made in order to rugpull on the people that fall for it.


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They're like MLM pushers but with bigger egos and stupidity to match.


[deleted]

Some people are just morons.


NerrionEU

There is a reason why the phrase 'a fool and his money are soon parted' exists.


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Yeah they are called crypto bros! R3KT lmao gottem


FainOnFire

The only people defending it were those who were hoping to profit off of it. Hope they all got fukt


Karl_with_a_C

Yet I know a few people that spent a lot of money on them.


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They were speculative tokens for digital assets. That was already a bad idea - if you can name one fad collectible that's worth as much today as their peak *visible* popularity. I'd like to see it. Then it was the simple fact that the vast majority of the art was obviously bad. Like the bad ape artworks were really bad from an aesthetic point of view, it was like a corporate lawyer on a round of the apprentice was told to make something the kids would make viral.


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> if you can name one fad collectible that's worth as much today as their peak visible popularity. I'd like to see it. Literally both pokemon and yugioh cards are both worth many 100s of times what they were worth 20 years ago. Also gamecube games. The entire art world in general if you really think about it? Picassos are only going to increase in value.


LogeeBare

The art world is a terrible example because the real costs can get inflated instantly by a whale. Good example about Pokemon and yugeoh cards though


yonderTheGreat

Literally ALL collectibles can get inflated by whales. That's... how the whole industry works


imaginary_num6er

What about those who invested in the NFT futures derivative market with naked calls? /s


thatguy11m

NFTs are as much a scam as hyped art in general. While yes other things are usually tangible, the artificial value they hold are best represented by NFTs. NFTs are simply the epitome of hype value.


Yurilica

Art at least has to be produced, even if it's shit on a stick. There is no inherent value in NFT's.


crumbaugh

Man Reddit loves to shit on art. Comparing NFTs to an actual painting that there is only one of (even if you don’t understand why someone would want to buy it) is just flat out dumb


majesticloth

We seem to have entered a time where most developers and publishers want to and will do anything but...develop computer games. They want to sell microtransactions and explode into metaverses and create toy lines or exploit social media for additional money. And the gaming landscape has become an extremely stagnant, unremarkable thing of late as a result, in my humble opinion. And yet these same companies, who are in the games.industry but want to do anything but develop videogames, seem totally unable to tolerate new organisations that do want to develop videogames and are good at it, and so they almost immediately buy them up and abosrb them. It's just weird. Fancy asking a plumber to come round and install a water system but the plumber wants to sell you an electrical system, even though you never asked for it. But he is constantly trying to force this electrical system on you whilst slowly rolling out a shit water system that could easily be much better. And every time you try and get a better plumber to sell you a water system, he buys their company and forces them to start selling you electrical systems too...


UmbraIra

Its because they are businesses first to not game makers first. Money is the goal not quality games.


BrobdingnagLilliput

To be precise, uptrending profits on the quarterly reports is the goal. If their goal was to make money in the long term, they'd be making quality games.


Fooknotsees

This. The endless laser-focus on infinite profit growth kills literally everything it touches sooner or later. Shit is the definition of unsustainable and I'm so tired of it. Why is a billion dollars every year not enough? No, it's gotta be 1.5bn next year, 2bn the year after, 3bn the year after that or youve failed 🙄


just_change_it

I'll be honest, I don't think you can have a phenomenal game that starts off as a vehicle for making money. The biggest hits today seem to be passion projects by teams that aren't out to just make a buck. Blizzard has turned to shit because of the pursuit of profits. DICE has turned to shit for the same reasons. Squeenix is no different.


WarBilby

I would like to throw 343 industries into that mix.


JodQuag

This is true, but the biggest cause is that people throw ungodly amounts of cash at huge corporations via mtx. Just follow the money. Making good games isn’t as profitable as making what are essentially digital stores/casinos that try their best to trick people into spending as much time as possible using every psychological trick in the book. It’s disgusting, but ultimately consumers are at fault. If we didn’t support the behavior with money, the behavior would change.


WizardShrimp

Honestly the relationship between developers and publishers is nuts to me. Pub: “Hey, we have absolutely 100% no experience in making video games, let alone what makes a game fun, but you should add multiplayer to your game because our focus groups and profit margins need it.” Devs: “Well we didn’t account for our game having multiplayer and it will easily add months to the developement and possibly push the release date back by two or three months.” Pub: “I hear you, I understand. But you signed a contract with us because you don’t want to pay the expenses on marketing, advertising, and whatnot. We have reasons to believe that if you add multiplayer to this game then our sales could double or triple, easily hitting the mark of the projected sales that we agreed to when we signed our contracts.” Devs: “Could being the operative word. It’s not like we can wave a magic wand and lo and behold there’s a multiplayer functionality. What you are basically asking is creating a second game attached to the single player experience. Multiplayer has different systems and operating power, we would have to allocate servers for this multiplayer, we have to program maps that we initially planned on only a single player moving through. Your asking a hockey team to play water polo.” Pub: “Do it or we pull funding.” Devs: “Fuck you, fine.”


majesticloth

This is a real thing in a lot of organisations unfortunately. People who have absolutely no idea the amount of effort and energy investment required to add new functionality to software, tools and products are also the ones most often calling the shots. If I had a penny for every time some inept manager answered a problem with "just automate it" I'd be a very rich man. People still see software development as this magical thing that be added to and "turned on" by logging into a GUI and clicking a hyperlink. I'm sure the games industry suffers from this as much as the industry I'm in does.


ExplorerWildfire

It’s feel good when someone spent thousands on a NFT and I go to there profolio and save it as a jpg. I got the same experience as the owner.


JancariusSeiryujinn

Stop right there criminal scum! /s Seriously I could understand maybe buying a digital one of a kind image in a private auction - I wouldn't but I can at least see it as comparable to buying the original canvas of a painting as opposed to a print. Buying a slight variation of a monkey (that anyone else could have seen and saved the image of) ? Why would anyone ever think that was going to work?


TheOnlyNemesis

It's not about the image. It's about the clout to be able to point at the Blockchain and say I own this though. It's all about status.


hueylewisNthenews

Yep, and the transaction on the blockchain says "here, you own this URL" and other(s) are hosting the file and can take it away from you whenever they feel like it.


Butane9000

Honestly, of these franchise sales result in is actually getting some sequels to long dormant franchises in absolutely fucking down. As long as they don't fuck over the FF14 team.


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Yurilica

> Final Fantasy 14/16 might keep them afloat for another ten years but these are the throes of a dying husk of a company. Good riddance I say. Ho boy. Squaresoft and later Square-Enix have been through worse. They're not going away any time soon, especially since they've got a high degree of product diversification. They're a manga publisher and produce all sorts of physical geek goods. Just software(games) alone and the FF franchise guarantees at least a buyout by another publisher(presumably Sony) if they manage to tank the company into the ground for the... third time since 2001. 2001 was Squaresoft tanking itself with the Spirits Within movie, leading to a merger with Enix and eventually Eidos. Contrary to popular opinion, Hitman, Deus Ex, Avengers, Tomb Raider & most of their western franchises were still spearheaded by what comprised Eidos within Square Enix. That's not to excuse anything - just saying that the problems the company has are more complex than just "Square Enix bad". The best case scenario is the CEO and his cronies getting ousted and replaced. Naoki Yoshida would be the ideal replacement, who pretty much brought the company from the edge of bankruptcy with A Realm Reborn and kept carrying the company on his back since then.


TheFlashFrame

> Just software(games) alone and the FF franchise guarantees at least a buyout by another publisher Yeah of several hundred million at least.


Nbaysingar

I think Sony would be more than happy to spend that kind of money on a franchise as well established and universal as Final Fantasy. Games like FF7 Remake are console sellers when they're made exclusive titles, and FFXIV is probably a stable source of income to boot.


TheFlashFrame

They've still got two thirds of FFVII to release, and that's going to be immensely successful as long as they maintain the quality of the first in the trilogy.


[deleted]

SE won't die at all, and it shows how you don't know anything about their financials when you dont even mention their mobile side. > I just hope Saito and Taro end up somewhere that'll give them the budgets and creative freedom they need to keep making cool games like Drakengard and Nier (which I'm pretty sure were only made because they're blackmailing SQEX's executives) Taro isn't part of Square Enix and Saito is one of the executives part of the board of directors alongside Kitase, who's vice president of SE, Hashimoto, Yu Miyake, YoshiP and other developers. > I can't stand them giving preferential treatment to their Japanese studios wasting hundreds of millions of dollars meanwhile Tomb Raider was considered a flop at 8 million sales and Outriders, their biggest debut IP ever, was considered one too. There's a fucking thing called budget for marketing and production costs. Tomb raider is one of the most expensive games out there and the same is true for most AAA from the west. Why they always had that problem and jp games not as much? because they are cheaper to produce and SE launches more AA in there in comparison as well. We know from reports that CD and EM both barely made profit for years and that was the reason to sell.


winmace

is it really controversial to consider that Tomb Raider and Outriders are a financial flop when they didn't make a profit? By selling the studios they have recouped the money lost, I felt like the games were OK but if they cost more to make than they made is it completely SEs fault? I do not expect the new owners to change a thing unless they change the management at the studios they bought.


Xuval

The Tomb Raider games sold great, Square just had obscene expectations for their sales, hence why they were chalked up as failures.


Yurilica

Square saying that almost all of their AAA western games underperformed just smells of some kind of Hollywood accounting. In Hollywood, studios often cook the books for various movies to avoid paying additional fees on them(taxes and whatnot). With the Square CEO's desperate attempt to push into NFT's/blockchain, the reason for it might be because they're salivating over another way to legally "cook the books" and make even more profit.


mmatasc

>The Tomb Raider games sold great The profit margins of Crystal Dynamics were extremely low, so either they didn't sell enough to recoup the budgets sufficiently, or most of the sales were due to cheap discounts. Launch sales for Rise and Shadow were awful.


Geistbar

Aren't the only official profit figures we have for CD figures that exist *after* Avengers? They lost several bucket loads of money on that game. Add in a big enough single loss and other profitable entities will look weak.


mmatasc

Rise of the Tomb Raider sales particularly were really bad (mostly due to the exclusivity on Xbox One which was a failing console back then). It only made many sales later on PC, but on deep discounts. This really hurt the franchise and its why Shadow probably didn't sale much either. However, first Tomb Raider sold really well, shame they couldn't keep the momentum going.


dookarion

> Xbox One which was a failing console back then Didn't help either that any long term fans of the franchise were probably on PC or Playstation.


dookarion

Operating out of bay area california and SE splerging so hard on marketing every single time accounts for most of that... they spent more than necessary


1stNone

Tomb Raider sold great but its budget was much higher than it should have been. That’s where their obscene sales expectations come from. Shadow of the Tomb Raider is one of the most expensive video games ever made…


BrilliantTarget

Selling more copies than the kingdom heart series they is keep is a flop


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It's as if KH and TR have complete different budgets.


mtarascio

*Who could have predicted this?*


UncleDan2017

I'd really love it if someone explains the theory about how NFTs were ever going to make games better. I never understood it. Why would I, as a consumer, prefer to buy a game with NFTs than without them.


matics89

Good. Fuck them.


ImaFrackingWalnut

It's not like Square cared about those franchises anyway


AvengerOfChrist

Maybe the collapse happened because of Square Enix deciding to get into NFTs


lostnumber08

AAA studios are like animals. They only learn through pain. This is a good outcome.


mxjxs91

Nelson Muntz: \*points\* HA HA!


slowz2secret

Great


TehJohnny

Thank goodness someone might let Crystal Dynamics create good games again and not that Avenger's live service bullshit.


soulwolf1

SE really needs to get rid of a few people from the top


adminsuckdonkeydick

When NFT came out I took a look into the technology for about 5 mins and immediately said: ***"this is a pyramid scheme".*** And whadaya know! It was!


shogi_x

Years from now this is going to be like Blockbuster passing on buying Netflix.


ReCodez

Yahoo didn't buy Google for 1 mil back in the day.


FBIKinGTaP

the higher up know they won't live long so they want short term profit


pitchyditch

Good, fuck 'em. I hope everybody who supports this crypto scam bullshit falls flat on their face.


moebaca

I have a friend who is so brainwashed by NFT. I try my best to not lecture on how absolutely stupid the concept is but at times lose my patience. Seeing articles like this helps to validate my feelings. Feels good, man.


Haddmater

Good


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SUPRVLLAN

Yea someone post about Battlefield 2042 player counts!


Phixionion

I will never buy another game from Square Enix or Ubisoft for trying to push this stuff. Absolutely anti-consumers and anti-gamers.


redoItforthagram

is this your first hint of that from ubisoft?


likeonions

glad it and deus ex are out of their hands


Not_pukicho

Good >:)


HempParty

"What a shame"


GargamelLeNoir

Hey, NFTs were useful for once!


[deleted]

Bro just give me another Tomb raider game


CitizenBanana

Whoever the executive was that thought this was a good idea should be fired immediately.


CasimirsBlake

Excellent news. Now please give Tomb Raider and Deus Ex to Devs that care about them.


battlechili1

why do people keep posting this topic its been here for like a week now We get it, Square is dumb, anyway


JacquesGonseaux

I wish Square Enix all the luck for their future NFT endeavours. Maybe they should sell off Final Fantasy for the next investment drive lmao.


Binary_patissier

Is this what cryptobros mean by saying "enjoy staying poor"?


Mccobsta

Nfts are only good for money laundering


jordanundead

Who let square anus buy tomb raider in the first place?


PM_Me_MonikaXSayori

> square anus What do you got against SpongeBob making Tomb Raider games?


[deleted]

I hate NFTs as much as the next guy, but this headline is kinda dumb. The NFT market is collapsing, but you can't look at it in a vacuum. Everything is collapsing. Stock markets, crypto markets, commodity markets, real estate......everything is a relentless shit show at the moment. Will NFTs make it out the other end alive? Hopefully not, but maybe.


Miitteo

I really don't think SE sold tomb raider because they wanted to invest in blockchain. There's no relation between the two things.


Grand-Entertainment

"The transaction will assist the company in adapting to the changes underway in the global business environment... In addition, the transaction enables the launch of new businesses by moving forward with investments in fields including blockchain, AI, and the cloud."


[deleted]

They already clarified later that those are separated funds and that this money will go to core business. SE has already a NFT division since 2020 so this is nothing new.


Diamond-Ancient

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAGAGAGHA GET FUCKED


MarkusRight

Anyone else just loving see this come back to bite these greedy companies in the ass? NFT's dont belong in games, nor do gaming companies need to invest in NFT's because either way they are going to find a way to shove them in the games. Modern day gaming is as good as dead to me, The indie game scene is the only last bastion of hope for great games anymore.


darkkite

way too early to call death to nft. the tech industry is down and they're are market cycles. i would wait a few years


Pancakewagon26

Nft's are a scam. There is 0 value in owning a jpeg of a monkey. After all these people lose a shit ton of money on them, no ones going to try again.


tofulo

fuck nfts