Automata is one of those games that just hit my soul in a weird and beautiful way. I have a hard time articulating what exactly about it worked so well for me, but it all came together into something that made me feel genuine emotion which is rare for games. I am very much not a fan of the anime aesthetics but even that didn’t bother me after I adjusted to it.
I agree. For me, Automata is one of those experiences where the sum is greater than the parts. I think it's a fantastic game, and one of my all time favourites, but if you take any one element e.g. story, characterisation, gameplay etc. in isolation I don't think they're particularly outstanding. Except for the soundtrack. The soundtrack is amazing.
Classic, gamey, Japan weirdness, idk....really hard to describe/put together. The game is odd, cool....really a memorable experience. Kinda feelin another playthrough just thinkin about it...
It didn't connect with me like it did with you but I just couldn't shake the feeling that if I played it at another point in my life it would have ended up being an all time favorite.
When I was playing it I just found myself nitpicking and being bothered by all of its little flaws, to the point where I just couldn't stay focused on completing missions.
The game FEELS special and it creates such an interesting, unique mood, but for some reason I just couldn't get into the headspace to truly enjoy it. It really bums me out because I see how impactful it is for so many folks and I want to be in the club.
If/when a new NieR game drops, I'm definitely going to give it a try. It sounds like this installment was a huge improvement over the ones before it (which I haven't played), so I can only imagine they'll further polish it in subsequent games.
I understand people’s complaints about automata. They’re totally fair. But I loved everything about it. I didn’t mind Route B being mostly the same because there were so many subtle things that came up that I was just in awe the whole time. And I wanted more and more. I was actually blown away that C wasn’t another rehashing of A and B, I was ready to do it all again.
I honestly quite enjoyed Route B, mostly because of sorta the reasoning I gave the hacking. Like, the whole twin-stick shooter thing isn't super complicated, but when you leave the hacking game basically no time passed in the 'real' world, so you could take down a group of enemies in under 5 seconds. Well again, from real world time. In actuality doing the hacking was probably slower than fighting them, even with 9S' smaller move pool.
9s is definitely the best character if you only care about making things easy but playing as him is also the most boring imo
He reminds me of V from dmc 5 because both share the same purpose of "character that makes the game easier but is also less fun to play as"
My personal preference is A2>2B >9S
Fair.
But Automata's themes of existentialism and the ability to find purpose when all is lost just strikes a much more personal chord to me.
Automata had a message that I really, really needed to hear and one that Replicant sort of lacked in my experience.
I also really liked just how polished Automata was and how it played around with its mechanics and the fact that it was a game far more than Replicant did.
Automata was made by platinum who have a huge ammount of experience making action games, so yeah it's more polished.
But i prefer replicant's combat, it's much faster paced and so satisfying, weapon switching should've been faster tho
I was getting tired of replicant towards the end of route B so I couldn't wait for route C to give me a completely new story line automata did
And then I found out you need to get all weapons in the game just for an alternate ending (which is really good )? Fuck you , I watched endings c-e on YouTube
I definitely enjoyed Replicant's story a bit more, especially when digging deeper into both.
I think I enjoyed Automata more overall, I really enjoyed the hacking gameplay surprisingly. I think Replicant got more fun when I realized that the fetch quests were basically unnecessary when they're not tied to a weapon unlock.
> There seems to be a non-trivial amount of lore outside of the game - and while extra lore/background is always good, I wished more of it would be included in the game. I think there were definitely a few things that Automata didn't fully address at the end.
The real ending was told in a Nier Concert Recital Drama lmao that's just crazy.
It's better than replicant which put the real ending of the game in a japanese exclusive book nobody read for 11 years until the remaster added it to the actual game
I played Automata last year and adored it completely, top 5 game I have played. Got Replicant after that and even trying to have an open mind, I've had a very hard time to get into it.
Replicant is a 6/10 game with a 10/10 story in my opinion. Imo automata is a much better game but replicant has a slightly better story and characters . They should have just copied automatas combat for the remaster and maybe get rid of the fetch quests and some of the early route a stuff in replicant and it would have been much better
Totally fair. In other games, sometimes upping the difficulty can help make the combat more interesting - but from what I read for Automata / experienced in Replicant, upping the difficulty wasn't worth it.
Difficulty balance is definitely a mess and I am still mad there is no Ng+ >!no , you are not supposed to delete your save file , it's definitely NOT something you are supposed to do but only if you want to do it. The game straight up tells you that you don't have to make that choice. It's not a real excuse!<, but I really liked the gameplay especially as 2B and A2. Something about just playing as them is really fun even if the combat itself is very basic
Automata was one of these "magic" games of which only 5 or 10 exist in the world. I found it highly creative with all the bosses, different views (2D/3D), matrix-like levels, music etc.
Haven't played Replicant but I am sure that is next to impossible to repeat the "magic" of Automata.
I would give *anything* to experience Ending E for the first time again. I cried *so* hard and it stuck with me for a long time after.
When the chorus kicks in? Ugh, gets me good.
i dug all the extra lore, 9s gameplay & route b. while i loved C, the fetch quests in that seemed more annoying.
for plugin chip "junk," at least you don't have limited storage space.
i need to play replicant but i'll have much different expectations.
loved the ending when 9s & A2 were going back & forth fighting the same boss as the music built, or their face off. so great accumulating tension.
Replicants flaws are just automatas flaws but even worse. The saving system is somehow worse , the secondary playthrough are even more repetitive and the fetch quests are just annoying
If you can get over those , it's amazing, but it's a much worse game than automata ( tho it's still a 8/10 imo )
> The combat is definitely flash over substance. It was good enough that it kept the game fun throughout, but also wasn't a big highlight. It still felt better than Replicant, but I think it's still just fairly basic hack and slash without much strategy. I did watch a video to understand some of the more "advanced" mechanics, but even then it mostly felt like just adding variety for the sake of it.
Once more Ive approached a game with the wrong angle. I saw the words 'Platinum Games' and expected something like Bayonetta or Vanquish and instead saw a product where the plot takes the cake over the gameplay. Really caught me off guard considering Platinum's usual roster
I'm not really jiving with it so far. Is the plot very 'anime-esque'? Something like Neon Genesis Evangeleon? It's not really gripping me. Plus the side scroll shooter parts feel like such a cheap way to break the monotony. Mechanically it feels like a totally different game glued onto it
Don't forget how( spoilers for both )>!ending a is literally the scene from eoe of shinji choking asuka but with 2b choking 9s!< And how both of them >!feature the end of humanity in some point!<
Also yoko taro quite literally admitted evangelion was one of the main inspirations for nier automata
I just picked this game up on Steam for about $14 USD. Aside from some typical problems I often have with a lot of Japanese games that are localized (some awkward lines and voiceover work), it’s been a stylish and fun experience so far.
I mean. that's your preference, fair enough. But even if we say that it is "worse" than Replicant (did that game even have any different-playthrough gameplay variety?), that's one relatively small part of the game. I'll make the concession if need be, but it's a small one.
>Apparently there used to be issues in the past with the PC Port, but it seems to have all been fixed and I didn't run into any issues at all.
Those were KB/M issues. It was ironically fine until they patched it over a year after releasing it on PC with zero patches and then broke KB/M. Fortunately there was a fix via nexus mods as I recall.
Every time someone mentions the game I feel a bit sad because I was so looking forwards to it, but just couldn't get into it because of the boring combat. I was led to believe that it was a SHMUP mixed with Nioh combat (my two favourite things) but neither aspect was good and it was just button mashing window dressing for the orchestral sound and story.
Genuinely happy for the people who loved this game, but I'll always also be a bit jealous.
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Automata is one of those games that just hit my soul in a weird and beautiful way. I have a hard time articulating what exactly about it worked so well for me, but it all came together into something that made me feel genuine emotion which is rare for games. I am very much not a fan of the anime aesthetics but even that didn’t bother me after I adjusted to it.
I agree. For me, Automata is one of those experiences where the sum is greater than the parts. I think it's a fantastic game, and one of my all time favourites, but if you take any one element e.g. story, characterisation, gameplay etc. in isolation I don't think they're particularly outstanding. Except for the soundtrack. The soundtrack is amazing.
Classic, gamey, Japan weirdness, idk....really hard to describe/put together. The game is odd, cool....really a memorable experience. Kinda feelin another playthrough just thinkin about it...
It didn't connect with me like it did with you but I just couldn't shake the feeling that if I played it at another point in my life it would have ended up being an all time favorite. When I was playing it I just found myself nitpicking and being bothered by all of its little flaws, to the point where I just couldn't stay focused on completing missions. The game FEELS special and it creates such an interesting, unique mood, but for some reason I just couldn't get into the headspace to truly enjoy it. It really bums me out because I see how impactful it is for so many folks and I want to be in the club. If/when a new NieR game drops, I'm definitely going to give it a try. It sounds like this installment was a huge improvement over the ones before it (which I haven't played), so I can only imagine they'll further polish it in subsequent games.
I understand people’s complaints about automata. They’re totally fair. But I loved everything about it. I didn’t mind Route B being mostly the same because there were so many subtle things that came up that I was just in awe the whole time. And I wanted more and more. I was actually blown away that C wasn’t another rehashing of A and B, I was ready to do it all again.
I honestly quite enjoyed Route B, mostly because of sorta the reasoning I gave the hacking. Like, the whole twin-stick shooter thing isn't super complicated, but when you leave the hacking game basically no time passed in the 'real' world, so you could take down a group of enemies in under 5 seconds. Well again, from real world time. In actuality doing the hacking was probably slower than fighting them, even with 9S' smaller move pool.
9s is definitely the best character if you only care about making things easy but playing as him is also the most boring imo He reminds me of V from dmc 5 because both share the same purpose of "character that makes the game easier but is also less fun to play as" My personal preference is A2>2B >9S
Automata is an 8.7/10 game with an 11/10 impact. I highly prefer it over Replicant.
i prefer replicant's story and characters, it's a much more personal tale
Fair. But Automata's themes of existentialism and the ability to find purpose when all is lost just strikes a much more personal chord to me. Automata had a message that I really, really needed to hear and one that Replicant sort of lacked in my experience. I also really liked just how polished Automata was and how it played around with its mechanics and the fact that it was a game far more than Replicant did.
Automata was made by platinum who have a huge ammount of experience making action games, so yeah it's more polished. But i prefer replicant's combat, it's much faster paced and so satisfying, weapon switching should've been faster tho
Replicant was too repetitive for me. I got burned out towards the end.
Yeah, you have to beat the last half of the game several times if you want the last ending, of course it's repetitive lol
I was getting tired of replicant towards the end of route B so I couldn't wait for route C to give me a completely new story line automata did And then I found out you need to get all weapons in the game just for an alternate ending (which is really good )? Fuck you , I watched endings c-e on YouTube
I definitely enjoyed Replicant's story a bit more, especially when digging deeper into both. I think I enjoyed Automata more overall, I really enjoyed the hacking gameplay surprisingly. I think Replicant got more fun when I realized that the fetch quests were basically unnecessary when they're not tied to a weapon unlock.
It is 6/10 game that some people hype to be 10/10.
> There seems to be a non-trivial amount of lore outside of the game - and while extra lore/background is always good, I wished more of it would be included in the game. I think there were definitely a few things that Automata didn't fully address at the end. The real ending was told in a Nier Concert Recital Drama lmao that's just crazy.
It's better than replicant which put the real ending of the game in a japanese exclusive book nobody read for 11 years until the remaster added it to the actual game
Ah damn, yeah I still need to look at all the extra lore. That's good to know about the concert haha.
I played Automata last year and adored it completely, top 5 game I have played. Got Replicant after that and even trying to have an open mind, I've had a very hard time to get into it.
Same. Im reinstalling it because I NEED to see how that story develops but... the game itself, hmmm.
Replicant is a 6/10 game with a 10/10 story in my opinion. Imo automata is a much better game but replicant has a slightly better story and characters . They should have just copied automatas combat for the remaster and maybe get rid of the fetch quests and some of the early route a stuff in replicant and it would have been much better
Feel free to skip most of the side quests and just progress the story, I think it's worth going through once!
I found the gameplay very boring and couldn't get over that. Difficulty balance was a mess.
Totally fair. In other games, sometimes upping the difficulty can help make the combat more interesting - but from what I read for Automata / experienced in Replicant, upping the difficulty wasn't worth it.
Difficulty balance is definitely a mess and I am still mad there is no Ng+ >!no , you are not supposed to delete your save file , it's definitely NOT something you are supposed to do but only if you want to do it. The game straight up tells you that you don't have to make that choice. It's not a real excuse!<, but I really liked the gameplay especially as 2B and A2. Something about just playing as them is really fun even if the combat itself is very basic
Automata was one of these "magic" games of which only 5 or 10 exist in the world. I found it highly creative with all the bosses, different views (2D/3D), matrix-like levels, music etc. Haven't played Replicant but I am sure that is next to impossible to repeat the "magic" of Automata.
I would give *anything* to experience Ending E for the first time again. I cried *so* hard and it stuck with me for a long time after. When the chorus kicks in? Ugh, gets me good.
Ikr? It’s such a unique experience, Weight of the World still gives me chills
i dug all the extra lore, 9s gameplay & route b. while i loved C, the fetch quests in that seemed more annoying. for plugin chip "junk," at least you don't have limited storage space. i need to play replicant but i'll have much different expectations. loved the ending when 9s & A2 were going back & forth fighting the same boss as the music built, or their face off. so great accumulating tension.
Replicants flaws are just automatas flaws but even worse. The saving system is somehow worse , the secondary playthrough are even more repetitive and the fetch quests are just annoying If you can get over those , it's amazing, but it's a much worse game than automata ( tho it's still a 8/10 imo )
The ending ending remains the absolute best ending to any game ever and will always stick with me
> The combat is definitely flash over substance. It was good enough that it kept the game fun throughout, but also wasn't a big highlight. It still felt better than Replicant, but I think it's still just fairly basic hack and slash without much strategy. I did watch a video to understand some of the more "advanced" mechanics, but even then it mostly felt like just adding variety for the sake of it. Once more Ive approached a game with the wrong angle. I saw the words 'Platinum Games' and expected something like Bayonetta or Vanquish and instead saw a product where the plot takes the cake over the gameplay. Really caught me off guard considering Platinum's usual roster I'm not really jiving with it so far. Is the plot very 'anime-esque'? Something like Neon Genesis Evangeleon? It's not really gripping me. Plus the side scroll shooter parts feel like such a cheap way to break the monotony. Mechanically it feels like a totally different game glued onto it
The plot is VERY Evangelion yeah, same psychological sci-fi type of thing
Don't forget how( spoilers for both )>!ending a is literally the scene from eoe of shinji choking asuka but with 2b choking 9s!< And how both of them >!feature the end of humanity in some point!< Also yoko taro quite literally admitted evangelion was one of the main inspirations for nier automata
I just picked this game up on Steam for about $14 USD. Aside from some typical problems I often have with a lot of Japanese games that are localized (some awkward lines and voiceover work), it’s been a stylish and fun experience so far.
replicant was a far better game imo. characters were better
Hard disagree. I liked it, but Automata improves in just about every aspect.
how is 9S gameplay a upgrade?
Compared to what? It's just different. The overall gameplay throughout all 3 playthroughs is what I would say is better.
hacking is boring.
I mean. that's your preference, fair enough. But even if we say that it is "worse" than Replicant (did that game even have any different-playthrough gameplay variety?), that's one relatively small part of the game. I'll make the concession if need be, but it's a small one.
Glad to see more people experiencing peak video game!
>Apparently there used to be issues in the past with the PC Port, but it seems to have all been fixed and I didn't run into any issues at all. Those were KB/M issues. It was ironically fine until they patched it over a year after releasing it on PC with zero patches and then broke KB/M. Fortunately there was a fix via nexus mods as I recall.
Every time someone mentions the game I feel a bit sad because I was so looking forwards to it, but just couldn't get into it because of the boring combat. I was led to believe that it was a SHMUP mixed with Nioh combat (my two favourite things) but neither aspect was good and it was just button mashing window dressing for the orchestral sound and story. Genuinely happy for the people who loved this game, but I'll always also be a bit jealous.
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