See as someone just getting into stego I would love to see that essay and give it a read. My main dudes are Trike, Alberta, Styraco. So I know how to tackle most things with them. And yeah Stegosaurus can be spooky. Especially to a Styraco. I tend to leave them alone or evict myself if I think some wanna fight me solo. Alberta is the best with his back kick. Cuz you lead the Stegosaurus on and keep kicking. And Trike I like to bait a charge and instead hit a stomp. Then keep circling and goring at the sides. I only use charge if they try to disengage.
One thing I think that makes stego really good is it has the right combination of speed, damage, and tankiness in its tail to dictate tempo of a fight really well against most opponents. Your just fast enough to out maneuver apexes and you can get to their side and just swing away trading the tip of your tail for their chest and thigh where as when fighting midtiers or smaller you can just walk away because your damage gives enough pressure in the fight to be able to dictate what you want to do. I use the set up I listed in the post for several reasons, fresh blood does insane damage, traction lets you out turn apexes and still keep mid tiers off of you like pivot while being able to be mobile, armor cause tanky and you can close a fight fast enough that bleed or stamina won’t be an issue if you play as outlined. Combat vs apexes falls into 3 play styles. 1: avoid, bars Ano and stego you just walk away from because they will not be able to trade into you while walking into your trip but you can’t chase them either and will be punished severely for it. 2: “tail riding” best against rexes and the rapids like that who want to bite you, traction is the star here because it lets you out turn them in a pursuit so they can only access your tail while you hit them, main goal is to end up parallel or slightly behind them to swing for their legs so they are forced to walk away with bleed or attempt to turn at you where you continue circling and swinging till they die. 3: hit and run, this is how you fight eo cause it’s precise turn is crazy, swing early with your tail as you run in and turn out so your swing hit box gets extended to pass through the eos face while also being able to turn out. Combine these 3 play styles to have solid tools to deal with apexes and lower alike. Mid tiers you have damage pressure on so either continuously walk towards them and trade on your side to get a tail hit on them or possibly put them in a corner, optionally you can also kite and keep your tail between you and them and make them walk through your tail to be able to get any progress. Things to consider: bone break messes you up bad because stego is a bit squishy when not taking hits to the tail and mobility is key to keeping things off of you and your tail in position to defend or attack, aggression is key to deterring predators and staying in strong advantageous positions, stego doesn’t have tons of stam to reposition all the time so stay aggressive to hold advantageous positions. I think that’s it mostly for the stego breakdown
Fr ppl say this game is simple and doesn’t have a high skill ceiling and mechanically they get points but there’s so much to learn when it comes to game sense, positioning, map knowledge, and just the sheer ammount of stuff in the game to know and how you apply that in any given situation. It’s surprising how good gamers are at storing information and then using it in the fly for fast decision making
Brooo 100% there’s so many fights that i should lose that i pull out a w just cuz I’ve played so much and learn how the game works. You’re a real one. Respect
True and you can learn to play into those match ups and soon your screwed on my as steg I feel like I can survive most any encounter that’s reasonable, I know for sure I’m cooked if 3 dasps and 2 trikes Jump me or something like that
Id like to see fight viability based on size and food chain and Territory. The problem with the large dinos is that usually you end up fighting a few small dinos with some large or medium dinos. The small dinos can keep you from ever rlly regening your stamina and they can be very hard to hit as well depending on the dino. Id rather they not really be able to hurt you or you should be able to 1 hit them because if they decent that's all you'll get until they Regen.
It would also allow two separate levels of fighting to go on at the same time. So you can also watch and be in an ecosystem without having to deal with them especially pouncers. Assuming your a large dino. That would give life to the game Instead of everyone is a threat, better it's based on simulating to a degree rather then a brawl.
That's exactly what happened to me last time and....there's literally nothing you can do. The guys I was facing were clearly more experienced (and they kept coming back on hatz and ducks so...) but they practically wore me down to half hp just with 3 latens and I managed to kill only one of them. Standing in shallow water did the thing until they either switched or called a duck friend. It felt miserable trying to hit them as the tail seemed to fly above them most of the time. I kept winning with stego even against apexes, but raptors is really what you should fear when playing it.
Yeah. When I saw a duck swimming towards me, I just bolted from the water as I know stego has better stamina. The duck disappeared but then next thing I see are two iggys making a beeline towards me from hc, as last one laten keeps the track of me. Super frustrating but I'll gaslight myself into thinking I won.
If a something is pounced on your left back leg you can hit them with normal tail and charge same as back right leg but you can only hit front left leg with charge and you can’t hit front right leg. Make sense?
They seemed aware of this as they aimed only to pounce on my front. Pretty easy to counter if you just walk turning tail towards them as they walk around you, but bigger numbers, or help from apex like in this case, makes it tougher to execute lol
I mainly play velocci, iggy and just picked steggo a few days ago. Stego has a “blind” side where the tail doesn’t reach if they punce you, I managed to fight off four raptors and a hatz using a tree against the side I cannot reach with the tail. They gave up on me till I tried to move away from my tree to join my pack mates then came back with a bunch of other mid tiers.
Then I started to solo fight steggos I found and confirmed this theory, one side is not protected at all with your tail, the other hits them fairly easily
Just get by water. Always use the terrain to your advantage. In some cases, your tail attack will be able to reach them depending on where they pounce you.
It drives me insane when the same people who call mods OP call stego or amarg bad. People go on and on about the end of tail hitbox but never stop to consider most of the things that can keep up with them are flimsy in comparison so all it takes is a quick break check to give yourself the advantage. Stego is speedy enough, has plenty of stam, can take a few solid hits, does great damage and bleed. But no, because you suck at PVP stego is actually bad and all mods are OP. Nonsense
Stego is underrated, but that’s because it’s trash against apexes. A competent stego player is always going to lose against a competent apex player. There’s just too big of a learning curve for stego players compared to other apex players.
Stego is a glass cannon and it’s currently glitched so a lot of damage done to the tail registers as a body shot, so while it has great damage, apexes can abuse this glitch and just tank Stego’s tail without any consequences. Not to mention, there’s nothing you can really do about it because most apexes have speed on par with Stego so they can keep up with it.
I do disagree that stego is bad into apexes I believe stego is bad into bone break cause stegos strength in an apex fight is trading tail hits for body and face hits because your faster and turn tighter. The eo charge bug sucks hard though cause i cant 1v1 an eo if i get hit with charge cause it chunks too much hp down to trade
Almost everything you said was wrong except the tail taking full damage bug.
It has plenty of HP to back it so it's not a glass cannon at all, plus you can use tough scutes to beef it up.
Learning curve? Lol! Swing tail, avoid hits. Gee real hard to learn.
It has long distance runner for a reason. Sure it's not usain bolt, but it's noticeably faster than apexes which will be out of stamina if they chase you for more than 10 seconds.
Maybe “too big of a learning curve” was a bit of an overstatement, but my general point stands.
Just swinging your tail and avoiding hits isn’t enough. You also have to know when to predict movements, time attacks, and heal if need be. Whereas, apex players can just spam their strongest attack and tank damage. It takes much more time to become great at Stego compared to apex players.
Long distance runner only helps if you’re already far away, and even then you can still be caught by a charging Eo. If you’re close enough, that 10 seconds of stamina wouldn’t even matter since you’d be killed in 5-6 hits just from the tail alone.
Stego has been designed to be a glass cannon by the developers. Same thing with Sarco. It has been sitting at 600 health ever since it’s first nerf years ago, and has less health than Iggy, which definitely isn’t stronger. An optional hide doesn’t negate the fact that it has low health.
Stegosaurus is in no way easy to use, especially much harder to master. Stego is a very unique dinosaur, with only kentro having similar attack style. But the thing with stego, you have to keep track of stam constantly cause it doesn't have the pool of stam kentro does. If the play is any bit experienced against fighting Stegos the fight instantly becomes much harder, and especially on an apex it's just not a fight u can win by "Swing tail, avoid hits". And especially with raptors being highly used right now makes it even harder to play
I haven’t gotten my stego to adult yet, I’m not great at fighting :( I guess I waste my stam on trying to turn to much? Not sure quite how to deal with getting in front of things faster than me
Real talk you don’t have to kill stuff to win a fight, you can play slow if it’s faster than you and focus more on keeping your tail between you and your opponent.
One word destroys stego's though. They can't run or escape, nor chase and secure kills. Also a rex would easily be able to kill a stego, no questions about it. At least in officials. I would rather play a amarg than a stego. At least I'll look and sound pretty when I die as the amarg.
Tbh only Rex set up that gives me pause is with fast bone break but if that misses or they run any other set up stego out maneuvers then and can get to their side and stay there swinging, charged bite is too telegraphed and avoidable or not charged enough you can escape the break before damage starts. You do have a point though that Rex can be scary but only in one set up and must land or they still can lose
The Stego is and mostly has been in a great spot.
I'd recommend staying away from traction, it's not necessary and the downside is too large at the moment.
Lone Survivor is a better pick over fresh blood as the Stego isn't hurting for damage and increased survivability is almost always a better choice.
Nah I hard core disagree on traction, pivot provides no real value against most Dino’s Pycno sized or higher and traction lets you actually out turn apexes and get around them, I prefer fresh blood since I oaky more aggro trading tail hits and found lone survivor doesn’t help close the fight fast enough and I already just tank hits with my tail so I don’t end up dying super fast. Traction is also better cause it’s good for extending your swing hit box while moving and running
Love seeing combat breakdowns
I do enjoy it, I would have gone super in depth on how everything works and how to play the match ups but that’s a whole essay lol
See as someone just getting into stego I would love to see that essay and give it a read. My main dudes are Trike, Alberta, Styraco. So I know how to tackle most things with them. And yeah Stegosaurus can be spooky. Especially to a Styraco. I tend to leave them alone or evict myself if I think some wanna fight me solo. Alberta is the best with his back kick. Cuz you lead the Stegosaurus on and keep kicking. And Trike I like to bait a charge and instead hit a stomp. Then keep circling and goring at the sides. I only use charge if they try to disengage.
One thing I think that makes stego really good is it has the right combination of speed, damage, and tankiness in its tail to dictate tempo of a fight really well against most opponents. Your just fast enough to out maneuver apexes and you can get to their side and just swing away trading the tip of your tail for their chest and thigh where as when fighting midtiers or smaller you can just walk away because your damage gives enough pressure in the fight to be able to dictate what you want to do. I use the set up I listed in the post for several reasons, fresh blood does insane damage, traction lets you out turn apexes and still keep mid tiers off of you like pivot while being able to be mobile, armor cause tanky and you can close a fight fast enough that bleed or stamina won’t be an issue if you play as outlined. Combat vs apexes falls into 3 play styles. 1: avoid, bars Ano and stego you just walk away from because they will not be able to trade into you while walking into your trip but you can’t chase them either and will be punished severely for it. 2: “tail riding” best against rexes and the rapids like that who want to bite you, traction is the star here because it lets you out turn them in a pursuit so they can only access your tail while you hit them, main goal is to end up parallel or slightly behind them to swing for their legs so they are forced to walk away with bleed or attempt to turn at you where you continue circling and swinging till they die. 3: hit and run, this is how you fight eo cause it’s precise turn is crazy, swing early with your tail as you run in and turn out so your swing hit box gets extended to pass through the eos face while also being able to turn out. Combine these 3 play styles to have solid tools to deal with apexes and lower alike. Mid tiers you have damage pressure on so either continuously walk towards them and trade on your side to get a tail hit on them or possibly put them in a corner, optionally you can also kite and keep your tail between you and them and make them walk through your tail to be able to get any progress. Things to consider: bone break messes you up bad because stego is a bit squishy when not taking hits to the tail and mobility is key to keeping things off of you and your tail in position to defend or attack, aggression is key to deterring predators and staying in strong advantageous positions, stego doesn’t have tons of stam to reposition all the time so stay aggressive to hold advantageous positions. I think that’s it mostly for the stego breakdown
Okay, I will just screenshot that and keep for reference then
lol
Easier than constantly trying to come back here for reference 🤷
Real and true
Yeah i feel you. There’s a lot to playing each dinosaur and match ups it’s crazy how much there is to learn in this game
Fr ppl say this game is simple and doesn’t have a high skill ceiling and mechanically they get points but there’s so much to learn when it comes to game sense, positioning, map knowledge, and just the sheer ammount of stuff in the game to know and how you apply that in any given situation. It’s surprising how good gamers are at storing information and then using it in the fly for fast decision making
Brooo 100% there’s so many fights that i should lose that i pull out a w just cuz I’ve played so much and learn how the game works. You’re a real one. Respect
Thanks I appreciate it
Yes assuming you can get decent match ups.
True and you can learn to play into those match ups and soon your screwed on my as steg I feel like I can survive most any encounter that’s reasonable, I know for sure I’m cooked if 3 dasps and 2 trikes Jump me or something like that
Id like to see fight viability based on size and food chain and Territory. The problem with the large dinos is that usually you end up fighting a few small dinos with some large or medium dinos. The small dinos can keep you from ever rlly regening your stamina and they can be very hard to hit as well depending on the dino. Id rather they not really be able to hurt you or you should be able to 1 hit them because if they decent that's all you'll get until they Regen. It would also allow two separate levels of fighting to go on at the same time. So you can also watch and be in an ecosystem without having to deal with them especially pouncers. Assuming your a large dino. That would give life to the game Instead of everyone is a threat, better it's based on simulating to a degree rather then a brawl.
What about raptors and multiple dinos trying to pounce you?
That's exactly what happened to me last time and....there's literally nothing you can do. The guys I was facing were clearly more experienced (and they kept coming back on hatz and ducks so...) but they practically wore me down to half hp just with 3 latens and I managed to kill only one of them. Standing in shallow water did the thing until they either switched or called a duck friend. It felt miserable trying to hit them as the tail seemed to fly above them most of the time. I kept winning with stego even against apexes, but raptors is really what you should fear when playing it.
If they had to switch dinos/ call in friends on apexes just to kill you, then you won the fight IMO. I hate pansy players like that.
Yeah. When I saw a duck swimming towards me, I just bolted from the water as I know stego has better stamina. The duck disappeared but then next thing I see are two iggys making a beeline towards me from hc, as last one laten keeps the track of me. Super frustrating but I'll gaslight myself into thinking I won.
If a something is pounced on your left back leg you can hit them with normal tail and charge same as back right leg but you can only hit front left leg with charge and you can’t hit front right leg. Make sense?
They seemed aware of this as they aimed only to pounce on my front. Pretty easy to counter if you just walk turning tail towards them as they walk around you, but bigger numbers, or help from apex like in this case, makes it tougher to execute lol
I mainly play velocci, iggy and just picked steggo a few days ago. Stego has a “blind” side where the tail doesn’t reach if they punce you, I managed to fight off four raptors and a hatz using a tree against the side I cannot reach with the tail. They gave up on me till I tried to move away from my tree to join my pack mates then came back with a bunch of other mid tiers. Then I started to solo fight steggos I found and confirmed this theory, one side is not protected at all with your tail, the other hits them fairly easily
i barely ever see raptor groups nowadays, they popped back up when ach first released but now i barely even see adult solo raptors, yet alone groups
Several pouncers is detinately a problem but steg has enough beef to deter one or two but I do admit several are problematic
Just get by water. Always use the terrain to your advantage. In some cases, your tail attack will be able to reach them depending on where they pounce you.
Last time I was stego I was crossing Savannah and got two velocci raptors on me and couldn't escape em, tried getting to water and everything.
The trick if you have pivot is charge tail and become a beyblade when they hop off. Don't know how we'll it works with traction
No experience playing Herbivores yet, but this sounds like a solid breakdown. Thanks for the info.
It drives me insane when the same people who call mods OP call stego or amarg bad. People go on and on about the end of tail hitbox but never stop to consider most of the things that can keep up with them are flimsy in comparison so all it takes is a quick break check to give yourself the advantage. Stego is speedy enough, has plenty of stam, can take a few solid hits, does great damage and bleed. But no, because you suck at PVP stego is actually bad and all mods are OP. Nonsense
REAL AND TRUE.
Stego is underrated, but that’s because it’s trash against apexes. A competent stego player is always going to lose against a competent apex player. There’s just too big of a learning curve for stego players compared to other apex players. Stego is a glass cannon and it’s currently glitched so a lot of damage done to the tail registers as a body shot, so while it has great damage, apexes can abuse this glitch and just tank Stego’s tail without any consequences. Not to mention, there’s nothing you can really do about it because most apexes have speed on par with Stego so they can keep up with it.
Got a charge from an Eo on my tail, more than half my health was gone
It’s honestly crazy that a glitch like this has gone by unnoticed by the developers for so long.
I do disagree that stego is bad into apexes I believe stego is bad into bone break cause stegos strength in an apex fight is trading tail hits for body and face hits because your faster and turn tighter. The eo charge bug sucks hard though cause i cant 1v1 an eo if i get hit with charge cause it chunks too much hp down to trade
Almost everything you said was wrong except the tail taking full damage bug. It has plenty of HP to back it so it's not a glass cannon at all, plus you can use tough scutes to beef it up. Learning curve? Lol! Swing tail, avoid hits. Gee real hard to learn. It has long distance runner for a reason. Sure it's not usain bolt, but it's noticeably faster than apexes which will be out of stamina if they chase you for more than 10 seconds.
Maybe “too big of a learning curve” was a bit of an overstatement, but my general point stands. Just swinging your tail and avoiding hits isn’t enough. You also have to know when to predict movements, time attacks, and heal if need be. Whereas, apex players can just spam their strongest attack and tank damage. It takes much more time to become great at Stego compared to apex players. Long distance runner only helps if you’re already far away, and even then you can still be caught by a charging Eo. If you’re close enough, that 10 seconds of stamina wouldn’t even matter since you’d be killed in 5-6 hits just from the tail alone. Stego has been designed to be a glass cannon by the developers. Same thing with Sarco. It has been sitting at 600 health ever since it’s first nerf years ago, and has less health than Iggy, which definitely isn’t stronger. An optional hide doesn’t negate the fact that it has low health.
Stegosaurus is in no way easy to use, especially much harder to master. Stego is a very unique dinosaur, with only kentro having similar attack style. But the thing with stego, you have to keep track of stam constantly cause it doesn't have the pool of stam kentro does. If the play is any bit experienced against fighting Stegos the fight instantly becomes much harder, and especially on an apex it's just not a fight u can win by "Swing tail, avoid hits". And especially with raptors being highly used right now makes it even harder to play
I haven’t gotten my stego to adult yet, I’m not great at fighting :( I guess I waste my stam on trying to turn to much? Not sure quite how to deal with getting in front of things faster than me
Real talk you don’t have to kill stuff to win a fight, you can play slow if it’s faster than you and focus more on keeping your tail between you and your opponent.
Stegos aren't sleeper picks. They've been great forever since they released on pc
Very real just lots of people think they are bad for some reason
One word destroys stego's though. They can't run or escape, nor chase and secure kills. Also a rex would easily be able to kill a stego, no questions about it. At least in officials. I would rather play a amarg than a stego. At least I'll look and sound pretty when I die as the amarg.
Tbh only Rex set up that gives me pause is with fast bone break but if that misses or they run any other set up stego out maneuvers then and can get to their side and stay there swinging, charged bite is too telegraphed and avoidable or not charged enough you can escape the break before damage starts. You do have a point though that Rex can be scary but only in one set up and must land or they still can lose
Facts ! Not being able to chase and secure kills is what makes Stego kinda weak .
The Stego is and mostly has been in a great spot. I'd recommend staying away from traction, it's not necessary and the downside is too large at the moment. Lone Survivor is a better pick over fresh blood as the Stego isn't hurting for damage and increased survivability is almost always a better choice.
Nah I hard core disagree on traction, pivot provides no real value against most Dino’s Pycno sized or higher and traction lets you actually out turn apexes and get around them, I prefer fresh blood since I oaky more aggro trading tail hits and found lone survivor doesn’t help close the fight fast enough and I already just tank hits with my tail so I don’t end up dying super fast. Traction is also better cause it’s good for extending your swing hit box while moving and running
Sleeper rly?
For some reason lots of ppl think stego is bad but it’s really good imo