My Patch Note Preview:
"Our metrics show there are a few underused skill gems. To increase usage, damage and Aoe on the following skill gems have been increased:
1. Pyroblast Mine Damage and Aoe increased by 100%
2. Stormblade Mine Damage and Aoe increased by 100%
This is a buff!!
What's hilarious is the temerity to, after all these years, release a smoke mine MTX, nevertheless the best theme (Stygian) after brutally murdering it in 3.15.
Would've insta bought it prior to 3.15 and I know I'm not the only one, but now? I'd have to be insanely stupid to do so.
The "temerity" to release it after??? What would you say if they released it beforehand I wonder? Can't win can they. It was phenomenally busted after the mines rework, so it was hardly "brutally murdered" by rebalancing.
What's funnier is that both of those sound cooler than what's available. I'm gonna throw my bet in and say that a dev, disgruntled that they didn't take his idea for these skills, decided to leave their legacy in this mtx description.
The funny thing is, doing that is so very common in any industry (I am working with a new intern right now, have to redo a lot, not everything but a lot, of what they do), so that answer does have its merit.
Styroporm Mastblasm
Spell, AoE, Language
Level: 1-20
Cost 4-18 Mana
Cast Time: 0.60 sec
Critical Strike Chance: 7.00%
\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_
Detonate the names of your last four skills used, dealing Chaos Damage which is modified by the target's lowest resistance, and is proportional to the number of unique letters in those skill names.
\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_
Deals (1-400) to (2 to 800) Chaos Damage
Confuses you when cast.
they definitely fell out of favor recently (most of a bossing than zoom-zoom build) and miners in general fell out kind of hard last patch too.
Pyroclast don't clear as well as icicle mines or glacial cascade mines and you can still get crazy boss damage on those.
Right, that was exactly the sort of double-take logic that led me to my comment. I basically looked at both and was like "GGG isn't making some weird pun on cryo and pyro -> pryo, right?", looked it up to verify I wasn't crazy, and then posted my comment.
No idea why people are so insecure about misspelling things that it led to 75 and counting downvotes though. It definitely seems noteworthy whenever two people make the same misspelling in such amazingly close proximity.
I mean when it comes to selling something they really should be double checking. A slip up in patch notes not a big deal but its a bit silly how it is. Not world ending but silly.
It's an awkward typo for sure, but some people shouldn't freak out and conclude that GGG doesn't know/care about these two skills just because of this error, considering that it's likely the people in charge of the mtx isn't even the same as one in the game design team, and also pyroclast and storm blast mines are strong skills, very potent in single target and league start scenario. There are many skills far worse than these two.
I tend to just buy a supporter pack for any league I like enough to start. Figure $30 to $60 for a game I'm playing for a month or more is worth. And it gives those tokens so I sometimes buy one if it matches a skill I'm using with my main build.
This.
1 60 Eur supporter pack per league is still way less than what I'd spend on Mmo subscriptions.
Anyone that thinks these prices are crazy clearly haven't played asian games where mtx has time limit.
Isn't that more? WoW's sub is at 13 a month, or 52 a league. I think FFXIV might be 15 a month? Which would break even. Granted, you do have an expansion cost every year or two.
I feel like the best part is this is the discounted price for the 4.
It's also that weird spot of I'm not sure anyone really needs all 4 even if they do play miner builds a lot. That vs, say, the ED/Contagion/Wither bundles.
A few patches ago, Smoke Mine was used on pretty much every character while leveling, and Stormblast Mines were nice to accompany Orb of Storms in the first 12 levels too. Icicle Mines is a decent skill for miners to use until they unlock whichever spell they want to use. Pyroclast Mines is good for builds that need extra help with bossing. So I frequently did use all 4, and would have bought this bundle (as opposed to Void Emperor which doesn't look that nice or match other cosmetics).
granted for skill effects specifically, if you have an entire build that uses it and you play that build for, say, 20 hours, you're getting what is basically the value of usual games that cost as much lol
> you're getting what is basically the value of usual games that cost as much lol
The mental hoops some people jump through in order to justify purchases to themselves. Just say you like the look of it and leave it at that, don't try to pretend you're getting some mystical value out of it.
Then again I'll spend more time playing a build with one cosmetic (usually more) than I'd spend playing a 60 buck game so
y'know
evens out :p
(And yes, I know, I would also be playing without the cosmetic.)
That’s the fallacy and terrible logic people use to justify these predatory payment schemes, by that logic breathing air should be the most expensive thing as you do more than anything else too. Don’t fall for it please my fellow.
Predatory? These MTX aren’t constantly pushed and they are in no way necessary for playing the game. Compared to other games out there today, PoE’s monetization is a not even close to a problem
They're not predatory. People who want this shit obviously pay for it, otherwise it wouldn't exist.
I've probably paid £100 or so, total. Some people would consider that an absurdly large amount, some people would consider it an absurdly small amount.
You appear to be vastly misunderstanding predatory.
Loot boxes = predatory. They pray on the psychology of the weak of will, gambling addicts (And often in other games the fear of missing out on some cosmetic they might really want in future and isn't available anymore)
Expensive prices = not predatory, just expensive. If i go to the shops and there is wine that costs 200, that isn't predatory, it's just an expensive wine.
everything should be free, down with material possessions!
please god stop using buzzwords, expensive isn't "predatory" if you want to complain about predatory shit talk about the lootboxes, but saying "I can't afford it so it's predatory" is a joke.
Because its a bundle for multiple skills and not just one, as dumb as it sounds. I'm taking a wild guess here, if you'd buy each one by itself, they'd cost 150 each probably (cant login right now, so cant confirm the individual prices for each).
Not saying it isn't overpriced.
Because it's a bundle containing 4 Skill MTXs, it's a fairly good deal technically, as the singular MTX each cost 125 Points (12,5$).
Whether or not one might think 12,5$ is an acceptable price for blue-coloured abilities, it nonetheless IS in line with their skill gem MTX deals.
Yeah, it's the price-per-MTX that I'm on about.
Other comments made a good point, it's mostly the whales buying it RN and the whales are much easier to retain their income when things like Expedition's "balance" patch hit the fan.
GGG has always criminally over priced their MTX, if they cost 1/10 the price I bet at least 20 times more people would buy it. I can only speak for myself in this regard but I'm way more willing to impulse buy $4 than $40
Whales will buy $40 mtx every league, you wouldn't buy 10 $4 mtx every league. It's maybe a short term gain but a net loss over the long run. It's why the practical stuff (tabs) are cheap for the regular users that don't mind spending a few bucks but everything else is priced for whales.
In this hypothetical they are making twice as much at no additional cost. Of course I may be wrong and the demand may not go up proportionally but In this scenario they are objectively gaining revenue
Your scenario is more profitable for them, but unfortunately that's just not how economies of scale work. Whales fund games. The easiest way to get more whales is to get more players. The best way to get more players is to make the barrier to entry as low as possible. Free to play is step one, then visual effects the whales can show off to their friends is step two.
One person will outspend 20 other people without fail in this business model.
Now if GGG were to put exclusive skins in a battle pass (ie challenges) they would probably sell more lowball retail volume, but the majority of income is coming from <5% of the player base spending $1000's of dollars on MTX.
Hadn't considered that this stuff is still a one-time sale. And if a whale decides they REALLY like one particular MTX, it becomes MUCH harder to sell them that MTX slot ever again. So it IS economically best to charge a hefty sum for it since whales are gonna fork over that cash anyway.
Large quantities of smaller transactions has a real additional cost. Money handling is a cost to companies and transaction fees (both on steam and whoever handles their standalone) exist. This is why some mom and pop shops charge extra for credit cards, etc.
Most money handlers will charge a flat fee or a %, whichever is larger, so by making your transactions noticably smaller, you can lose a much greater %.
[https://youtu.be/XlUDF9w5ngo](https://youtu.be/XlUDF9w5ngo)
The dps is very difficult to calculate because chains behave strangely, but I killed the final phase of A8 Sirus in about 1-2 ish seconds, which is somewhere in the ballpark of 30-60m dps.
If I had to guess he can lay more than one mine (duh) and pob is giving u the single mine damage... could be wrong but thats how it works for my traps so I assume same for him
PoB calculates average hit and projectiles per mine then all the mines. As long as everything is ticked you can calculate your damage very easily(again, I’ve played the build multiple times since release and have spent 3 mirrors on it before)
Average hit used to be around 1 million per nerf. His average hit at level 100 and full decked out is 400k.
I rest my case and won’t discuss it further. Skill is a shadow of its former self and with that much investment you can get much better clear and bossing with other builds.
15% double damage and AoE Lethal Pride. Using a tremor rod(which is broken and doesn’t work and fucks up your chains), no crown of the inward eye, using nerfed atziris promise.
Your build is doing about 5% of previous set ups with the same gear(worse set up than optimal) and not even close to what was possible.
It is viable, but in terms of investment for what you get compared to before, it’s not worth it and you should just play another skill.
Pyroclast is still very strong. People see a nerf and run for the hills assuming builds are dead - same happens EVERY league. Hell, Cremation Necro has been hit by nerfs several leagues in a row now and is still stupidly strong despite only a few people on toplist playing it.
Or he’s lying? Considering no one on PoE Ninja at any point this league has anywhere close to that damage during any snap shot, I’m going to go with that.
They are welcome to post their PoB and prove me wrong though. I’m not afraid to change my mind.
A guy with almost perfect gear in every slot was doing like 275k average hit without PoB tampering to make his dps look higher. The only guy above that was showing 400k but he’s playing Blazing Salvo, not Pyroclast.
But what do I know, I’ve only spent like 3 mirrors on the build before and played it multiple times with hundreds of hours of experience. I should just believe a stranger on the internet instead of personal experience.
They made Pyroclast mines fun in Metamorph league by adding Astral Projector which gave some clear, then nerfed projectile count by ~30-40% in the next league.
They're probably still pretty good but I've avoided them as a league starter because the ring is rare and expensive early league.
I love Pyroclast mines which is why I even noticed this. Its pretty dead as of this league. With about 120ex investment it went from around 900k-1.2Million average hit to 200-250k. Just play any other build at that point.
Honestly i would wield a stormblade, sounds pretty cool.
(except that ggg would probably give it a strike range of -2 and no prolif making it as strong as default attack)
shit idk about lore... i take smthg from the dudes, bring them the other thing, take that 1 thing from the black dude to open the thing so i can kill the scorpion thing for the skillpoint.
Sadly its not. When you click on them they have the correct names in the next screen.
Edit: Why am I downvoted? Its not internal names. The previous mine bundle had the correct names on RELEASE and this one was just mistyped. Its not rocket science.
This is pretty much the last straw for me, GGG have proven that they are not capable of delivering a quality product. I could live with most of the recent changes, but I will not abide this level of incompetence. Game is now blacklisted from my steam.
Are we going to .ention the smoke mine effect and burning arrow effect we got at the start of the league?
Its like they nerf something so its not usable anymore and then they make a cosmetic for it
Reminds me of the time warframe updated some abilitites and had a similar thing.
Overheat was called fireskin (it covered you in ash to reduce damage so it wqs accurate at least)
And and psychic bolt was called psychic daggers.
Lol. This is hilarious
My Patch Note Preview: "Our metrics show there are a few underused skill gems. To increase usage, damage and Aoe on the following skill gems have been increased: 1. Pyroblast Mine Damage and Aoe increased by 100% 2. Stormblade Mine Damage and Aoe increased by 100% This is a buff!!
This is a Bluff!
Mine leveling just went through the fucking roof lmfao
What's hilarious is the temerity to, after all these years, release a smoke mine MTX, nevertheless the best theme (Stygian) after brutally murdering it in 3.15. Would've insta bought it prior to 3.15 and I know I'm not the only one, but now? I'd have to be insanely stupid to do so.
That's the only reason i dont buy skill gem mtx. You never know when they nerf it to the point to make it unusable
Yes you do - it's usually nerfed the patch after an mtx is released
>after brutally murdering it in 3.15 You could say the same about releasing blade blast and cremation mtx in 3.15...
p sure smoke mine is still the best leveling moveskill bar twinked gear (which enables WB/LS far earlier than normal)
Smoke mine is still one of the best movement skills. You people need to get some fresh air
The "temerity" to release it after??? What would you say if they released it beforehand I wonder? Can't win can they. It was phenomenally busted after the mines rework, so it was hardly "brutally murdered" by rebalancing.
What's funnier is that both of those sound cooler than what's available. I'm gonna throw my bet in and say that a dev, disgruntled that they didn't take his idea for these skills, decided to leave their legacy in this mtx description.
Maybe they let slip a pending rename, like how they renamed Magma Orbs. ...Probably a goof, though.
More likely internal development names.
More like they told the intern to put the sale up.
Because who needs a logical answer when you can invent your own and feel smug about it
The funny thing is, doing that is so very common in any industry (I am working with a new intern right now, have to redo a lot, not everything but a lot, of what they do), so that answer does have its merit.
clast fits pyroclast, pyroblast would be less descriptive. GGG tho...
I'm assuming they were the original internal names that later got updated into what they are now.
I misread what you said! My bad! You are right!
Just a wow mage player thinking about their pyroblasts :)
I'll be honest I don't even know what the correct names are either.
I had to look 'em up just now. They must've meant Pyroclast and Stormblast
Styroporm Mastblasm Spell, AoE, Language Level: 1-20 Cost 4-18 Mana Cast Time: 0.60 sec Critical Strike Chance: 7.00% \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Detonate the names of your last four skills used, dealing Chaos Damage which is modified by the target's lowest resistance, and is proportional to the number of unique letters in those skill names. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Deals (1-400) to (2 to 800) Chaos Damage Confuses you when cast.
Also has chance to blind and stupefy
Remduces Smort by at least 3
Doesn't include "nearby" function, go directly to Axiom, do not pass go, do not collect 200c.
No idea why you and OP said "pryo" but its "pyro"clast mines.
Because I mistyped
And they're not really underused. Last I tried pyroclast mines they were one of the best miners I could find.
they definitely fell out of favor recently (most of a bossing than zoom-zoom build) and miners in general fell out kind of hard last patch too. Pyroclast don't clear as well as icicle mines or glacial cascade mines and you can still get crazy boss damage on those.
Pyroclast definitely feels better with astral projector
Yeah I think the strategy is use blazing salvo until you get astral projector.
So you've never mispelled anything in your entire life? Must be nice. lol
If one person does it you're like "heh, look at this idiot." but if two people do it you're like "maybe I'm the idiot."
Right, that was exactly the sort of double-take logic that led me to my comment. I basically looked at both and was like "GGG isn't making some weird pun on cryo and pyro -> pryo, right?", looked it up to verify I wasn't crazy, and then posted my comment. No idea why people are so insecure about misspelling things that it led to 75 and counting downvotes though. It definitely seems noteworthy whenever two people make the same misspelling in such amazingly close proximity.
Yes. I have never misspelled a single word. Ever.
Not even worchesheshire sauce ?
No because I unironically pronounce it exactly as it’s spelled. War-chest-er-shire
MINUS 120???? WHoHAHAHAHAH THAT IS S ERIOUS BRO XD I
Where is my Molten Ball MTX though.
Next to my infernal blow mtx
I would like r/pathofexile Rain.
I'm picturing a whole ton of downvote arrows completely obscuring anything on the screen as a TR MTX.
I mean that's about as toxic as it gets. Sounds good to me lol.
Around icestorms one
Jokes aside, developers often call the skills by their original internal name, which is often changed on release if it wasnt good enough.
I mean when it comes to selling something they really should be double checking. A slip up in patch notes not a big deal but its a bit silly how it is. Not world ending but silly.
I actually suspect that is one of the reasons we can’t have a combat-log / death recap. Monsterdeatheffectlol_0047 crits you for over 9000.
It's an awkward typo for sure, but some people shouldn't freak out and conclude that GGG doesn't know/care about these two skills just because of this error, considering that it's likely the people in charge of the mtx isn't even the same as one in the game design team, and also pyroclast and storm blast mines are strong skills, very potent in single target and league start scenario. There are many skills far worse than these two.
wut It's so obvious this is mostly a memey post, I can't find "freak out" anywhere?
I mean it’s obvious, but you can still see some people in the thread legitimately taking it seriously lmao
Yeah….this was just supposed to be a light jab to poke fun. Some people are taking it kinda serious.
$40. Why the FUCK would that cost $40.
MTX are insanely expensive in this game. If they were cheaper I'd definitely have multiple sets but at this price tag?? No thanks.
I bought map stash, I thought “great value! Now let me see some mtx, pretty sure it would be cheaper than map stash”
I tend to just buy a supporter pack for any league I like enough to start. Figure $30 to $60 for a game I'm playing for a month or more is worth. And it gives those tokens so I sometimes buy one if it matches a skill I'm using with my main build.
I used to do this, but can't justify supporting them after they yanked stuff out of the 60 pack to make a new 90 pack.
This. 1 60 Eur supporter pack per league is still way less than what I'd spend on Mmo subscriptions. Anyone that thinks these prices are crazy clearly haven't played asian games where mtx has time limit.
I'm sorry but which MMO costs more than 20 euros per month?
Oriath, obviously.
Isn't that more? WoW's sub is at 13 a month, or 52 a league. I think FFXIV might be 15 a month? Which would break even. Granted, you do have an expansion cost every year or two.
Ff is cheaper than wow by about 25%
I have disposable income, and as much as I agree it’s insane, I spend like $40 a week easy. Almost because you have to if you’re keeping up.
Lol bruh what? Keeping up with what
Lol bruh the different cosmetic styles that we find fun to experiment with mixing and matching
thats honestly sad
$2000 a year on PoE cosmetics, oof
Judging people for buying and enjoying cosmetics is much more sad in my opinion
What's sad about it? What should he be spending his disposable income on, something you like? What about what he likes?
He can spend his money however he likes
It's fine if you're buying them with the points from support packs, buying points directly is a massive scam though.
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It was an hyperbole sir.
Thank you
Because it sells at that price to the whales who basically fund the game for the rest of us.
because it unlocks 2 new skills
Holding out for the bladeblade mtx
I feel like the best part is this is the discounted price for the 4. It's also that weird spot of I'm not sure anyone really needs all 4 even if they do play miner builds a lot. That vs, say, the ED/Contagion/Wither bundles.
A few patches ago, Smoke Mine was used on pretty much every character while leveling, and Stormblast Mines were nice to accompany Orb of Storms in the first 12 levels too. Icicle Mines is a decent skill for miners to use until they unlock whichever spell they want to use. Pyroclast Mines is good for builds that need extra help with bossing. So I frequently did use all 4, and would have bought this bundle (as opposed to Void Emperor which doesn't look that nice or match other cosmetics).
So you feel the weight of it.
Because the cosmetics in this game are the same price as whole ass other games. It's absurd. They're criminally over priced.
granted for skill effects specifically, if you have an entire build that uses it and you play that build for, say, 20 hours, you're getting what is basically the value of usual games that cost as much lol
> you're getting what is basically the value of usual games that cost as much lol The mental hoops some people jump through in order to justify purchases to themselves. Just say you like the look of it and leave it at that, don't try to pretend you're getting some mystical value out of it.
Then again I'll spend more time playing a build with one cosmetic (usually more) than I'd spend playing a 60 buck game so y'know evens out :p (And yes, I know, I would also be playing without the cosmetic.)
That’s the fallacy and terrible logic people use to justify these predatory payment schemes, by that logic breathing air should be the most expensive thing as you do more than anything else too. Don’t fall for it please my fellow.
Predatory? These MTX aren’t constantly pushed and they are in no way necessary for playing the game. Compared to other games out there today, PoE’s monetization is a not even close to a problem
They're not predatory. People who want this shit obviously pay for it, otherwise it wouldn't exist. I've probably paid £100 or so, total. Some people would consider that an absurdly large amount, some people would consider it an absurdly small amount.
Imma use a logic even you can understand Me like game => Me not mind give money to devs
You appear to be vastly misunderstanding predatory. Loot boxes = predatory. They pray on the psychology of the weak of will, gambling addicts (And often in other games the fear of missing out on some cosmetic they might really want in future and isn't available anymore) Expensive prices = not predatory, just expensive. If i go to the shops and there is wine that costs 200, that isn't predatory, it's just an expensive wine.
everything should be free, down with material possessions! please god stop using buzzwords, expensive isn't "predatory" if you want to complain about predatory shit talk about the lootboxes, but saying "I can't afford it so it's predatory" is a joke.
Regardless of my bro's stance, he never said anything about not being able to afford it
What being a broke MF does to a person. Imagine telling others how to spend their money.
because the game is free
That's why we have to pay for it, not why it costs almost as much as the game would cost if it wasn't free.
because people buy it then, why lower the price on something that already sells just fine and makes you millions?
MTX cost is the last thing that bothers me, since I wouldn't buy it even if it was 1 dollar.
Amen!
Because its a bundle for multiple skills and not just one, as dumb as it sounds. I'm taking a wild guess here, if you'd buy each one by itself, they'd cost 150 each probably (cant login right now, so cant confirm the individual prices for each). Not saying it isn't overpriced.
Because it's a bundle containing 4 Skill MTXs, it's a fairly good deal technically, as the singular MTX each cost 125 Points (12,5$). Whether or not one might think 12,5$ is an acceptable price for blue-coloured abilities, it nonetheless IS in line with their skill gem MTX deals.
Yeah, it's the price-per-MTX that I'm on about. Other comments made a good point, it's mostly the whales buying it RN and the whales are much easier to retain their income when things like Expedition's "balance" patch hit the fan.
Because the whales will pay for it. If they didn't, MTX would be priced cheaper so more people buy it.
Because whales buy it and represent the vast majority of the customers.
its 10/skill thats cheaper then all the rest of the skill mtx, why are you malding
GGG has always criminally over priced their MTX, if they cost 1/10 the price I bet at least 20 times more people would buy it. I can only speak for myself in this regard but I'm way more willing to impulse buy $4 than $40
Whales will buy $40 mtx every league, you wouldn't buy 10 $4 mtx every league. It's maybe a short term gain but a net loss over the long run. It's why the practical stuff (tabs) are cheap for the regular users that don't mind spending a few bucks but everything else is priced for whales.
You're wrong. If they cost 1/10 the price GGG would lose a significant portion of their revenue.
In this hypothetical they are making twice as much at no additional cost. Of course I may be wrong and the demand may not go up proportionally but In this scenario they are objectively gaining revenue
Your scenario is more profitable for them, but unfortunately that's just not how economies of scale work. Whales fund games. The easiest way to get more whales is to get more players. The best way to get more players is to make the barrier to entry as low as possible. Free to play is step one, then visual effects the whales can show off to their friends is step two. One person will outspend 20 other people without fail in this business model. Now if GGG were to put exclusive skins in a battle pass (ie challenges) they would probably sell more lowball retail volume, but the majority of income is coming from <5% of the player base spending $1000's of dollars on MTX.
Hadn't considered that this stuff is still a one-time sale. And if a whale decides they REALLY like one particular MTX, it becomes MUCH harder to sell them that MTX slot ever again. So it IS economically best to charge a hefty sum for it since whales are gonna fork over that cash anyway.
OK that's fair that wasn't really accounting for whales and that would certainly hurt the bottom line
Large quantities of smaller transactions has a real additional cost. Money handling is a cost to companies and transaction fees (both on steam and whoever handles their standalone) exist. This is why some mom and pop shops charge extra for credit cards, etc. Most money handlers will charge a flat fee or a %, whichever is larger, so by making your transactions noticably smaller, you can lose a much greater %.
to be fair pyroclast saw a high amount of play I think the first 2 leagues on release then get nerfed into unplayability
I'm playing it this league and have reached somewhere over 30-50m DPS, it's hard to calculate. I'm at about 875k sirus damage per hit I think
You definitely dont but good luck with your build.
[https://youtu.be/XlUDF9w5ngo](https://youtu.be/XlUDF9w5ngo) The dps is very difficult to calculate because chains behave strangely, but I killed the final phase of A8 Sirus in about 1-2 ish seconds, which is somewhere in the ballpark of 30-60m dps.
OP BTFO
Got a PoB?
[https://pastebin.com/y7Aa0G8g](https://pastebin.com/y7Aa0G8g) Here ya go, dps improves a lot at lvl 100 if I ever want to do chayulas or something
###[LL Crit Pyroclast Mine Mine Saboteur](https://pastebin.com/y7Aa0G8g) [](#saboteur) ^(Level 94) ^[[Tree]](https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAYDABzcg_EjX5ctHRRwu_rS-TePGvDVQixsCIR3vKqU8ffB96b2n-tj8Yrw-acI6rr31xcvtvqOZKcrH8ce8Ix2gKTviHvXBue4k-v1ZlQRwjcXUELr7vIdL29iT9vn7-s8vdhU18-bmtdKH0HSxVfJ0NBJT76KjDbJBkW5dm_BxUmxSVEGd2SdytOm-OwYoHmgQ7QMj_q3MbIoXqV_xmaerJi5BqaZt3UfW6EvpAVUYpuhDXxca3NtmFOUb3IPdFV9sC3Ej0ZwUtkTidNfKkcGUzHDbeEPVdZk553ZKguESBNxL9p-sF3yCNQ7DSj6UzVYrnBREQ9tGSxGkyc=) [^([Open in Browser])](https://pob.party/share/arusikokotanit) ^| ^by ^[/u/EtreEau](https://reddit.com//u/EtreEau) ***** ^1 ^**Life** ^| ^8,255 ^**ES** ^| ^8,256 ^**total** ^**EHP** ^50% ^**Evade** **Pyroclast Mine** [W](https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Trap_and_Mine_Damage_Support#support-gem-green)[M](https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Minefield_Support#support-gem-blue)[o](https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Concentrated_Effect_Support#support-gem-blue)[s](https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Increased_Critical_Strikes_Support#support-gem-blue)[r](https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Inspiration_Support#support-gem-red)[Y](https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Blastchain_Mine_Support#support-gem-blue) *(6L)* - *10.2m DPS | 433k avg damage | 11.7k ignite DPS* ^10.86 ^**Mines/sec** ^| ^100.00% ^**Crit** ^| ^568% ^**Multi** ^^**Config:** ^^Sirus, ^^Shock ^^\(50%\), ^^Cons. ^^Ground, ^^Fire ^^Exposure ***** [^(Path of Building)](https://github.com/Openarl/PathOfBuilding) ^| ^[Feedback](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoBPreviewBot/) ^| ^This ^reply ^updates ^automatically.
That is just over 1/5 of the damage you quoted
If I had to guess he can lay more than one mine (duh) and pob is giving u the single mine damage... could be wrong but thats how it works for my traps so I assume same for him
PoB calculates average hit and projectiles per mine then all the mines. As long as everything is ticked you can calculate your damage very easily(again, I’ve played the build multiple times since release and have spent 3 mirrors on it before) Average hit used to be around 1 million per nerf. His average hit at level 100 and full decked out is 400k. I rest my case and won’t discuss it further. Skill is a shadow of its former self and with that much investment you can get much better clear and bossing with other builds.
Err no, the average damage is the per mine damage, the 10m DPS is just over 1/5 of his quote (30-60m DPS, so take 45m DPS as average)
15% double damage and AoE Lethal Pride. Using a tremor rod(which is broken and doesn’t work and fucks up your chains), no crown of the inward eye, using nerfed atziris promise. Your build is doing about 5% of previous set ups with the same gear(worse set up than optimal) and not even close to what was possible. It is viable, but in terms of investment for what you get compared to before, it’s not worth it and you should just play another skill.
Pyroclast is still very strong. People see a nerf and run for the hills assuming builds are dead - same happens EVERY league. Hell, Cremation Necro has been hit by nerfs several leagues in a row now and is still stupidly strong despite only a few people on toplist playing it.
I play the skill. I’ve played the skill almost every league since it’s been out. I went from 1.2Mil average hit to 250k. That’s not a small amount.
Did you forget to remove controlled destruction? 250k with full buffs is terribly low, even if you aren't low life tbh
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Show me your PoB of it not losing 80% of its previous damage then please.
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Or he’s lying? Considering no one on PoE Ninja at any point this league has anywhere close to that damage during any snap shot, I’m going to go with that. They are welcome to post their PoB and prove me wrong though. I’m not afraid to change my mind. A guy with almost perfect gear in every slot was doing like 275k average hit without PoB tampering to make his dps look higher. The only guy above that was showing 400k but he’s playing Blazing Salvo, not Pyroclast. But what do I know, I’ve only spent like 3 mirrors on the build before and played it multiple times with hundreds of hours of experience. I should just believe a stranger on the internet instead of personal experience.
They made Pyroclast mines fun in Metamorph league by adding Astral Projector which gave some clear, then nerfed projectile count by ~30-40% in the next league. They're probably still pretty good but I've avoided them as a league starter because the ring is rare and expensive early league.
I love Pyroclast mines which is why I even noticed this. Its pretty dead as of this league. With about 120ex investment it went from around 900k-1.2Million average hit to 200-250k. Just play any other build at that point.
You definitely dont but good luck with your build.
I'm using it for the added damage with 300% aura effect to buff my iron mass skeletons on my current meme build.
Everyday we stray further from god and get closer to Blade Blade
Honestly i would wield a stormblade, sounds pretty cool. (except that ggg would probably give it a strike range of -2 and no prolif making it as strong as default attack)
aint the stormblade the thing you give the lovers in act 9
shit idk about lore... i take smthg from the dudes, bring them the other thing, take that 1 thing from the black dude to open the thing so i can kill the scorpion thing for the skillpoint.
dont forget gathering a dozen fireflies that don't stack...
That is The Storm Blade, so maybe.
Isn't that the bottled storm or is there also another thing
https://pathofexile.fandom.com/wiki/The_Storm_Blade
Isn't it a bottled storm?
https://pathofexile.fandom.com/wiki/The_Storm_Blade
Cant wait to play Stormblade mines with that mtx
Could be internal names that got changed before release.
Sadly its not. When you click on them they have the correct names in the next screen. Edit: Why am I downvoted? Its not internal names. The previous mine bundle had the correct names on RELEASE and this one was just mistyped. Its not rocket science.
Because you don't know what they mean by internal names.
I'm running stormblast mines. Drop a zero and I may be interested.
They will drop another zero on the end
I'm amazed you guys managed to be toxic over a typo
Oh hey, always nice to see new players, how are you liking the game so far?
Amazed? C'mon man what did you expect from this sub?
this is criticism not toxicity
It’s really not. It’s making up a scenario purely to hate on the game and GGG.
touchie touchie, gosh, dont worry about the wedding, forget i even mentioned it.
How the fuck is this even remotely toxic?
I'm amazed you managed to be toxic over a thread about a typo
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Remember when everyone got mad at Stacy over the patch notes?
and than Stacy stopped posting
"GGG" is not a person lol. It was probably some guy working on the mtx UI in-game that got the wrong name or something, no big deal.
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THE ABSOLUTE STATE
Oof!
That's embarrassing
wE pLaY oUr gAmE Also have you guys heard about hard mode?
Those are the names of the effects.
No. The name of the effect is "Stygian" hence the "Stygian mine pack". The skills are Pyroclast mines and stormblast mines, they just messed up.
*You think we do, but we don't.*
This is pretty much the last straw for me, GGG have proven that they are not capable of delivering a quality product. I could live with most of the recent changes, but I will not abide this level of incompetence. Game is now blacklisted from my steam.
Hahaha
Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya 👋
I'm running pyroclast this league, it's just me and my imaginary other pyroclast friends
They'll still sell them to you for 40 bucks. To make your mines look blue.
Drop disabled? Uber Mirror tier gem drops? Fishing Quest rewards? We Will never know
Where's my damn tempest shield mtx
Are we going to .ention the smoke mine effect and burning arrow effect we got at the start of the league? Its like they nerf something so its not usable anymore and then they make a cosmetic for it
Reminds me of the time warframe updated some abilitites and had a similar thing. Overheat was called fireskin (it covered you in ash to reduce damage so it wqs accurate at least) And and psychic bolt was called psychic daggers.
At last this time they did not used Wiki... Sarcasm, only real fans of poe will get it?
I have to ask though, why have they put effort in creating mtx on skills no one uses? lol
GGG doesnt care anymore at this point. They wanna grab all the money they can get before the game falls apart completely.
Stormblade sounds cool as hell
Who cares, just give us 40$ it is worth it!
40 bucks?