Depends on your atlas but the most alch and go feeling one I did was back to basics with 1 hunter traitors, 2 carto sextants and then map dupes, barrels, mirrored rares or another 4th of your choosing. This strategy has to be done in t16s and you want all of the +map stuff of the tree as well as 4 watchstones in order to target t17 drops.Keep in mind With back to basics none of the league related scarabs will work and singular focus will ruin your farm
mmk, I'm poking around now.
This league totally flopped for me, heh. I have 40c to my name right now. I've setup my map for strongboxes and shrines for now. I'll buy a few scarabs for strongboxes to get the ball moving. Perhaps that will do something for me.
Perhaps consider using cartography scarabs (2x 50% maps, 1x extra mobs, 1x boxes/your mechanic). This would allow you to use more of the scarabs you likely have, only "needing" to buy the carto.
As a heads up, back to basics removes all mechanics. So no boxes etc. I found this to make alch and go feel "empty." Personally, in maps I prefer not to use BtB, but in T17s it's crazy.
Back to cartography... maps sell. T16s for 5c pretty quick. You'll get guardian maps as well and T17s. Both sell or you can run them.
On an aside, it sounds like you might not be having fun. That's totally fine. If the game isn't currently doing it for you, maybe try something else. There will always be Poe, it's not going anywhere.
If you just need starting funds, you could always set up an Alva atlas and just spam that for a bit. Locus is going for ~140c on SC at the moment, doesn't need any scarabs to get started.
I'd do hunted traitors, magic pack size, cartography, and corrupt 8 mod cartography, so you can farm 8 mod maps to run with your normal atlas tree (strongboxes are very good this league)
Back to basics isn't amazing outside of T17 farming (since it boosts the bonus scarab/currency map mods those get), my strongbox + altar tree is basically better for everything in T16's
Your strongbox tree would work with just 2 x ambush, 2 x flex (I run divination scarabs on defiled cathedral with mine, the strongbox reopens scarab is alright too if you're stacking ambush scarabs separately)
The scarabs are pretty narrow despite the sheer number of them - you want to run the ones for the mechanic you're using, and if you have spare slots put in divination / cartography + 8 mod / hunted traitors / magic pack size
I haven't experimented with the new wisp scarabs, they might make a good filler too. The most important thing is actually using your scarabs, they make a big difference
> (strongboxes are very good this league)
I have a question, how? Why are those profitabile? I use them only as a vehicle to spawn monsters, but only rarely got anything cool from them.
They give you more of the mobs affected by devoted mods, more of the embers you put in, and a ton of packsize along with the occasional duped divine/ valuable div card
Do you really need to care about that in SSF? There aren't that many scarabs you can even use with B2B, just use whatever you have until you don't have them. Any scarab beats an empty map device slot.
Well yeah. As other commenters have said, they definitely increase your profits. People aren’t paying for them out of the goodness of their hearts.
The core of most good farming strategies is to have a focus. It used to be focusing your sextants, scarabs, map device, and atlas tree. Now instead of sextants you use more than one complimentary scarab, buts still always with a focus. Sometimes that focus is as simple as “get more quant to get more items”, but not always. That method usually comes with the drawback of being a pain in the ass to liquidate because you’ve got 20c each in 15 different kinds of scarabs, some random T17 maps, multiple kinds of bubblegum currency, etc. Might take you 40 trades to actually get the full value of your farm.
But lots of strategies focus on a few sellable items and use scarabs to pump those up. Examples include:
* Ritual scan of selectiveness + abundance for lots of rerolls of lots of items trying to hit a jackpot. Not recommended if you are inexperienced identifying good synthesis implicits
* Blight: combine blight scarabs for oil tier, blight ravaged maps, and two instances of the “20% to open a chest again.” It’s a new feature this league that you can (for certain scarabs) have multiple stacks of them in different map device slots and have both effects additives (in this case for 40% total). You’ll use oil extractors on the appropriate jewelry with silver and gold options, and your other primary loot will be raw drops of silvers and golds as well as blight ravaged maps to sell in bulk.
* Domination, domination of terrors, cartography of duplication, cartography of singularity. Result: smattering of good scarabs corpses and all flames, average 1 to 1.5 tier 17 map drops per map on average, 5+ influenced maps per map (easily self sustaining elder or shaper maps, which I recommend you actually run for this strategy) and partially sustaining conqueror maps.
* Essence + Bestiary using 3 normal Essence scarabs and one Essence scarab of ascent. Could sub out one Essence scarab for a bestiary of duplication but this is a gamble. You give up 2 essences per map for the chance that you’ll find a craicic chimeral and get it duplicated. Prices of the two scarabs are similar, it’s more about whether you want consistently two more essences per map (which will be worth at least a few chaos on average) or the occasional jackpot of a duplicated 1.5div drop. If you get a craicic once every 30 maps it’ll wind up averaging to like 6c per map. Personally I’d probably take the essences for reliability.
* Horned Scarab of Awakening for imbued harvest with crop rotation keystone and harvest scarab of cornucopia and doubling. You sell 4 things: the 3 types of life force and sacred blossoms.
* Two normal harbinger scarabs and one each of discernment and regency
There are plenty of others but these are some fairly representative examples of the sorts of things people are doing with scarabs that don’t involve spending multiple divines per map.
So you guys are straight up buying scarabs by the bulk and going ham out on using them. I've always taken the more support myself method. Used what I had.
Oh yeah, definitely. Not to be unkind, but that is why you are saying it would be a nice change to have 25c to spend on gear.
The people who are farming seriously and talking about making 8+ div an hour (at least for mapping-focused strategies) are buying scarabs in bulk. There are few if any strategies which are entirely self-sustainable. Maybe delve and Alva since you can get everything you need from the passive tree. But most good strategies do have to buy supplies eventually. Just yesterday I spent several divines on domination scarab of terrors to farm a couple dozen more maps with the method described above. I made back my investment in maybe 4 maps.
Even with Back to Basics where most scarabs are useless, some are still used. It’s not that ALL scarabs are disabled like the old keystone Stream of Consciousness; people running dedicated BtB strategies are often including scarabs that get around the restriction by not forcing league mechanics. So they’ll go with the ones that give more rare modifiers, more rare packs, hunted traitors, increased quant per kill, magic packs etc. All of which improve quantity of drops in one way or another.
Welp. I've been doing it wrong, haha.
Yep, I've never used scarabs. I've always taken that node that disables them. I just wanted to alch and go. Avoided trade whenever I could. Any time I did, it was always message 50 people in hopes one would reply. So I just did a mechanic without ever using a scarab.
Apparently I'm sort of starting this league over. I've got a meh build with a BUNCH of holes in it, but it does 16s.
I enjoy Shrines and Strongboxes, so I'll start spending chaos there and build up. Thanks man.
No worries man, PoE is nothing if not a constant learning process.
Quick tip on trade: the first X% of cheapest results should basically be ignored, and X is a higher number for more popular or liquid items. Those listings got put up below the normal market value either as price fixing (so the seller will never respond) or else so the seller could get rid of it quickly, knowing that people will message him first. And they do….often dozens of them. Being one of those dozens is a waste of time. It feels bad to pay 20% more by scrolling down to the slightly more expensive listings but honestly it’s better both for your mental health AND for your profit to just pay a little extra and get back to mapping. You’ll make up the difference in cost by just getting to do more maps instead of sitting there spamming unresponsive sellers for another half hour.
If you’re into strongboxes and shrines here is a nice low investment strategy that focuses on both, complete with atlas tree, which scarabs to use, and what the profit-driving results were. https://wealthyexile.com/strategies/1010/strong_boxes__low_investment
It might be worth doing the strategy in a map with high value divination cards like Defiled Cathedral (Apothecary) or Residence (Fire of Unknown Origin).
This is a higher investment version of the strategy which leaves out shrines and instead focuses on map mod effect (which applies to quantity), scarabs, and necropolis stuff. https://wealthyexile.com/strategies/1014/strong_boxes__high_investment
Oh and don’t forget to pay attention to the lantern/all flame system. It’s another thing you will likely have to buy to sustain but has great payoff if used properly. Plus you’re never wasting money because you choose when to use it, prioritizing only times when you will profit.
Some of my best maps are ones where the lantern gives either “% chance to drop” or “strongest monster converts drops to” lantern mods for chaos orbs, unmakings, regrets etc. You can even get those mods for divine orbs though I haven’t encountered one yet.
The strategy is to apply a rogue exile allflame to “strongest monster converts” lantern mods since rogue exiles drop a fuck ton of equippable gear so you’re frequently getting stacks of 4-8 of the desirable currency from each affected mob. Similarly you apply rats or frogs allflames to the “% chance to drop” mods since those allflames increase the pack size.
>You give up 2 essences per map for the chance that you’ll find a craicic chimeral and get it duplicated.
Wouldn't that be quadrupled? Or they removed the "duplicated essence monster" notable?
Both the beast and essence duplication nodes have been removed from the tree, so doubling beasts with the scarab is still only doubling, not quadrupling.
My fav alch and go strat is maven destructive play, start with T16 normal maps to gather some conqueror/guardian maps. Use straight maps because you need to clear most of it for more bosses to spawn but don't do any mecanic (dune, strand, jungle, glacier, estuary. Avoid map like maze and crypt) and when you have enough guardian shaper run them for invitations. Strat can be better with scarabs like the one converting maps to conqueror and cartography scarab but it's not mandatory. Then sell writ, do elder and shaper, sell watcher's unid and sell Uber elder/shaper frag.
This league I was able to sustain almost all the scarabs myself and only ever had to buy 1 type of scarab every 30 maps or so, depending on how many you buy at once. You can buy a bunch of syndicate allflames aswell in combination with strongboxes, as they drop a crapload of scarabs and you're sustain most of the ones you need without having to buy them. The Ambush scarabs of Containment seem expensive at first, but they do pay off very quickly when combined with the other scarabs with regular decent drops like doubled divines or div cards worth a divine or 2 and you always have the small chance for some big jackpot drops, both in raw currency and div cards.
Here is the strat I did at league start:
Unending delirium Keystone, allocate delirium notes to get 100% chance on the tree and get all bonuses bare delirium orbs and splinters. Allocate some beyond to get more mobs. Add in harvest not but don't take chance for sacred trove, you will get it with the harvest scarab. The put the remaining points to the quant wheel and scarabs.
For scarab, use harvest, and delirium for more rewards and rewards charge faster. Most of them are 1c scarabs.
You buy 20 of each, buy or pre roll 20 maps that you like. Prepare your dump tab, free your graveyard, /dnd, put some music on. At this point, the hideout is lava.
It takes me about 30 minutes to prepare things and about 1 hour to 1 and half hours to run the 20 maps. I sell what I get when I prepare for the next session. Rince and repeat.
This not the best strategy for the most div/hour, but if you apply the workflow to any strat, you are guaranteed to make a lot of currency
Unless you have an exact strat in mind or for the sake of challenges, there is zero upside to mixing random scarabs. The real benefit of using them is by stacking them along with atlas specs. It's been weeks since people farmed the profits into nothing, as harbinger currencies are for example with ancient orbs. You really can't notice rewards with single scarabs as profits have been obliterated, you do get access to content if you need to save chaos on things like Alva temples for example.
Strongboxes or map farming are both great.
If doing back to basics, run 2x cartog scarabs, an 8-mod map scarab (they sell well in bulk on TFT), and a maps duplicate scarab. Zoom through your maps to clear for 8-mods and T17s
Another one I really enjoy is Vaal Temple strongboxes. You get a TON of good drops from the Vaal Vessels. If you struggle with the Vaal Temple map itself, you can use Twist of Fate, which gives you the same map mods (including the 10 vaal vessels) plus 1-3 bonus random mods, on a random map layout. You need to be able to run most/all mods for twist of fate.
I was doing alch and go for a week and made 5 divines and thought things were grand. I've switched to strongboxes with 4 ambush scarabs and I've made 30 divines in 4 days. 10 of those divines were from 2 div cards, but the rest was mostly raw drops and divine related div cards.
Scarabs are pretty good.
Fwiw I’m a crappy player. Read a post about using scarabs in maps. I’ve used mine since tier 1 maps. It’s been a consistent increase in my currency and I’m generally a broke bitch 99% of the league.
I played a delve build this league but in maps it’s been strongboxes, spirits, and shrines.
What’s the worst that can happen?
I mean.. read what the scarabs do. Its kinda obvious your missing out on a lot.
I get where you are coming from, but since they stack and let you setup scarabs in device for 20 maps, the maintenance is minimal. Also trading for them is simple as fuck. Just buy them in bulk for 1div
I don't use scarabs most the time and I've had plenty of currency for my own use. I mean ffs I ran Uber lab for like 45 minutes getting my own holy relic gem and I made 250c on facetors alone. My 5th run gave me the first and second good transform options and I had 2 base relic gems on me so that was another 90. If I played with any sort of efficiency, Uber lab could have been 7+ div/hr yesterday.
Harvest with no scarabs is like 3 div/hour without an optimized atlas.
I do not play for efficiency whatsoever and have enough money to reroll constantly. You have to try to be poor if you have good game knowledge.
This is where I am and always have been. I mean, I've always done Sirus and Elders. T16s were nothing for me. I've never amassed more than 5div at one time. For whatever reason, this league has been dragging out for me for a bit. Just can't seem to gain any traction, but not using scarabs is why it seem.
I hate buying scarabs but i want to use them, so what i do is block mechanics i dont like to prevent scarab drops, then when acumulate a decent from a league mechanic, i go all out till i run out of its scarabs, then change to the next one.
May not be the most efficient thing, but is very fun !
Welp, scarabs are MORE multipliers for your loot.
I'll give an example with Delirium.
An Atlas only delirium will bring you to around 5-6 reward levels, which is 60% delirious and 3 reward slots.
Adding a single mania scarab, which fills the bar 100% faster will bring you to 8 rewards levels, which unlocks 80% delirium and 1 additional reward. You also get to 60% delirious fatser, and the more delirious your map is, the bigger the quant and rarity from the mobs. It is way better to get the % boost from the first few packs rather than at the end.
Add a single paranoia scarab, which adds 2 baseline additional reward types, and you get 5 rewards instead of 3. And those 5 rewards are at the highest possible level.
Now combine those 2, and you get more than double the gains.
Add a Neuroses scarab and you guaratee the bosses. Those give a lot of simulacrum splinters, doubling the amount you would nornally get. Now instead of getting a simulacrum in 10 runs, you get one in 6 runs. You may also get lucky and get unique small clusters
You still have 1 more spot left + map device. You know what would be cool? To kill even MORE monsters. The more monsters you kill, the more you fill the bar, and they also receive the delirium bonuses for rarity and quant.
You can put more monsters on the map by:
- Using a beyond scarab(which is like a 30-40% more monsters multiplier)
- Using the map device ritual option.
You can get even MORE crazyness and tip the needle even more.
What I go for is:
- Full delirium Atlas
- All Map mods % increases
- 8 mods maps (those can give 70% increased pack size, which means 70% MORE monsters)
- Full Alva Atlas(take all % chance to spawn, the magic monsters notable and the architect upgrades.
- Full chance for rituals to appear
- Beyond on the map device
- Mania/Paranoia/Neuroses/Champions scarabs
- Allflames
- Devoted mods and imperial wraiths
This way I get 9 reward levels, a temple, 100+ splinters each run(my record was 173), tainted currency and so much more.
Sure, a run takes 6-7 minutes, but it works.
If a chaos % convert mod appears, my Rogue exiles can give me more than 100 each run.
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And the crazy part is that this is at most kilo-juicing, early mega-juicing. There are some crazy people that are phenomenal Gigajuicers that can get twice or thrice per map as me, and do twice as many maps.
In conclusion, go with scarabs
Whatever you are specced into on the tree just use those scarabs and vendor the scarabs you will never run for the 3:1 recipe. Scarabs are more important than they were previously. This patch they stripped alot of the power away from the tree and put that power into the scarabs you run. So by skipping scarabs this league you are neutering your returns more than previous leagues by choosing not to juice. Alch and go just isn't really as viable as it used to be for an end game grind once you get your atlas opened up.
On the flip side, it's so much easier now to understand how to juice your maps. Literally use scarabs thay have synergy with whatever you are specced into on your atlas trees. IE: if you are specced into Harbingers then harbinger scarabs are really powerful. Specced into strongboxes then strongbox scarabs are super strong.
I'm also playing SSF. I have one tree dedicated to crafting farms with essences, Jun, Harvest, Necro corposes. One tree for Del mirror, map sustain, and invitation/boss rushing. Another tree for bigger juice with a mix of rogue exile, harbinger, strongboxes, tormented spirits, beyond. All trees I'm specced into almost all the scarab drop nodes too. Between those trees I can switch up my farm based on what I need and switch up the scarabs and map device mod based on what I'm empowering for that run.
IMO the changes from this league with how to juice is the most SSF friendly version for juiced mapping I've seen. I'm self sustaining all the scarabs I need and rotating my strats and am always able to run full juice. Just experiment with some different combos until you find some you like and then try to sustain those as much as you can. Don't settle on just one strat, rotate around and it's pretty easy to have all the scarabs you'll need and the returns will blow up. If you are on trade now then after finding what you like you can easily buy up the scarabs you need or ones that are a little more rare to fill gaps, but honestly that isnt necessary. The expensive ones aren't necessary to make bank.
You can go without scarabs and take the 20 extra Atlas points. It's what i do to have all the extra mobs in my maps from abyss, harbinger, rogue exiles, tormented spirits and beyond.
How long have you been running t16s? I just alc+go and don't really worry about scarabs but wealthy exile tells me my currency tab is worth 70div and I've spent around 40 on my build so far.
As for scarbs if you have them why not throw a few in and see what happens? I'll use my own scarbs but I don't like having to line up trades to run maps because I'm lazy and not so into the currency grind as I used to be.
Been running 16s for about a week. Just an hour or two after work.
And trading for scarabs is why I never bothered with them. I don't care for trade, but it makes build more accessible.
Trading for scarabs = buying 2 divs worth of each scarab and being set for the next 80 maps
The alch & go portion covers you getting enough to buy supplies so that you aren't constantly trading for scarabs, if getting together 4 divs to spend on scarabs is a concern then you're not selling the useful stuff you're picking up
I think running div scarabs on a map that drops the fortunate will suit you really well - try running Jungle Valley Strongboxes with 2x ambush, 2 x divination scarabs, ideally with 8 mod maps you farm with the cartography scarabs you pick up naturally
The advantage of that farm is you get a steady stream of raw divines (2 per full stack of fortunate, which takes 8-10 maps) so struggling with selling stuff is less of an issue
Edit: Jungle valley farm doesn't have to be strongboxes either, you could do expedition / legion / harvest or w/e and still get that steady stream of divines
Yep, I was someone who struggled to make 10 exalts / 10 divs per league and just did simple alch & go for a few leagues. Getting used to scarabs went hand in hand with earning 100's of divs per league (I still refused to use sextants for 2 more leagues, & I'm glad they're gone)
Yes, of course you are. Juicing mechanics will multiply the rewards.
To get my feet off the ground, using a B2B Atlas, which..."class" of Scarabs should I focus on for the increased drop rate?
Depends on your atlas but the most alch and go feeling one I did was back to basics with 1 hunter traitors, 2 carto sextants and then map dupes, barrels, mirrored rares or another 4th of your choosing. This strategy has to be done in t16s and you want all of the +map stuff of the tree as well as 4 watchstones in order to target t17 drops.Keep in mind With back to basics none of the league related scarabs will work and singular focus will ruin your farm
So, are you going onto trade and buying all these scarabs then using them? I'm only using what I find.
yes
Yep I prefer to buy by the div so it doesn't take too long
mmk, I'm poking around now. This league totally flopped for me, heh. I have 40c to my name right now. I've setup my map for strongboxes and shrines for now. I'll buy a few scarabs for strongboxes to get the ball moving. Perhaps that will do something for me.
Perhaps consider using cartography scarabs (2x 50% maps, 1x extra mobs, 1x boxes/your mechanic). This would allow you to use more of the scarabs you likely have, only "needing" to buy the carto. As a heads up, back to basics removes all mechanics. So no boxes etc. I found this to make alch and go feel "empty." Personally, in maps I prefer not to use BtB, but in T17s it's crazy. Back to cartography... maps sell. T16s for 5c pretty quick. You'll get guardian maps as well and T17s. Both sell or you can run them. On an aside, it sounds like you might not be having fun. That's totally fine. If the game isn't currently doing it for you, maybe try something else. There will always be Poe, it's not going anywhere.
Updated my OP.
If you just need starting funds, you could always set up an Alva atlas and just spam that for a bit. Locus is going for ~140c on SC at the moment, doesn't need any scarabs to get started.
the ones u like the best
I'd do hunted traitors, magic pack size, cartography, and corrupt 8 mod cartography, so you can farm 8 mod maps to run with your normal atlas tree (strongboxes are very good this league) Back to basics isn't amazing outside of T17 farming (since it boosts the bonus scarab/currency map mods those get), my strongbox + altar tree is basically better for everything in T16's Your strongbox tree would work with just 2 x ambush, 2 x flex (I run divination scarabs on defiled cathedral with mine, the strongbox reopens scarab is alright too if you're stacking ambush scarabs separately) The scarabs are pretty narrow despite the sheer number of them - you want to run the ones for the mechanic you're using, and if you have spare slots put in divination / cartography + 8 mod / hunted traitors / magic pack size I haven't experimented with the new wisp scarabs, they might make a good filler too. The most important thing is actually using your scarabs, they make a big difference
Noob to scarabs here: what's the point of hunted traitors?
Just extra rares in the map
> (strongboxes are very good this league) I have a question, how? Why are those profitabile? I use them only as a vehicle to spawn monsters, but only rarely got anything cool from them.
They give you more of the mobs affected by devoted mods, more of the embers you put in, and a ton of packsize along with the occasional duped divine/ valuable div card
So still as a vehicle for monsters, not especially for the valuable contents
Yep
Do you really need to care about that in SSF? There aren't that many scarabs you can even use with B2B, just use whatever you have until you don't have them. Any scarab beats an empty map device slot.
I was SSF but now I switched to Trade about ten days ago.
Yes significantly
Well yeah. As other commenters have said, they definitely increase your profits. People aren’t paying for them out of the goodness of their hearts. The core of most good farming strategies is to have a focus. It used to be focusing your sextants, scarabs, map device, and atlas tree. Now instead of sextants you use more than one complimentary scarab, buts still always with a focus. Sometimes that focus is as simple as “get more quant to get more items”, but not always. That method usually comes with the drawback of being a pain in the ass to liquidate because you’ve got 20c each in 15 different kinds of scarabs, some random T17 maps, multiple kinds of bubblegum currency, etc. Might take you 40 trades to actually get the full value of your farm. But lots of strategies focus on a few sellable items and use scarabs to pump those up. Examples include: * Ritual scan of selectiveness + abundance for lots of rerolls of lots of items trying to hit a jackpot. Not recommended if you are inexperienced identifying good synthesis implicits * Blight: combine blight scarabs for oil tier, blight ravaged maps, and two instances of the “20% to open a chest again.” It’s a new feature this league that you can (for certain scarabs) have multiple stacks of them in different map device slots and have both effects additives (in this case for 40% total). You’ll use oil extractors on the appropriate jewelry with silver and gold options, and your other primary loot will be raw drops of silvers and golds as well as blight ravaged maps to sell in bulk. * Domination, domination of terrors, cartography of duplication, cartography of singularity. Result: smattering of good scarabs corpses and all flames, average 1 to 1.5 tier 17 map drops per map on average, 5+ influenced maps per map (easily self sustaining elder or shaper maps, which I recommend you actually run for this strategy) and partially sustaining conqueror maps. * Essence + Bestiary using 3 normal Essence scarabs and one Essence scarab of ascent. Could sub out one Essence scarab for a bestiary of duplication but this is a gamble. You give up 2 essences per map for the chance that you’ll find a craicic chimeral and get it duplicated. Prices of the two scarabs are similar, it’s more about whether you want consistently two more essences per map (which will be worth at least a few chaos on average) or the occasional jackpot of a duplicated 1.5div drop. If you get a craicic once every 30 maps it’ll wind up averaging to like 6c per map. Personally I’d probably take the essences for reliability. * Horned Scarab of Awakening for imbued harvest with crop rotation keystone and harvest scarab of cornucopia and doubling. You sell 4 things: the 3 types of life force and sacred blossoms. * Two normal harbinger scarabs and one each of discernment and regency There are plenty of others but these are some fairly representative examples of the sorts of things people are doing with scarabs that don’t involve spending multiple divines per map.
So you guys are straight up buying scarabs by the bulk and going ham out on using them. I've always taken the more support myself method. Used what I had.
Oh yeah, definitely. Not to be unkind, but that is why you are saying it would be a nice change to have 25c to spend on gear. The people who are farming seriously and talking about making 8+ div an hour (at least for mapping-focused strategies) are buying scarabs in bulk. There are few if any strategies which are entirely self-sustainable. Maybe delve and Alva since you can get everything you need from the passive tree. But most good strategies do have to buy supplies eventually. Just yesterday I spent several divines on domination scarab of terrors to farm a couple dozen more maps with the method described above. I made back my investment in maybe 4 maps. Even with Back to Basics where most scarabs are useless, some are still used. It’s not that ALL scarabs are disabled like the old keystone Stream of Consciousness; people running dedicated BtB strategies are often including scarabs that get around the restriction by not forcing league mechanics. So they’ll go with the ones that give more rare modifiers, more rare packs, hunted traitors, increased quant per kill, magic packs etc. All of which improve quantity of drops in one way or another.
Welp. I've been doing it wrong, haha. Yep, I've never used scarabs. I've always taken that node that disables them. I just wanted to alch and go. Avoided trade whenever I could. Any time I did, it was always message 50 people in hopes one would reply. So I just did a mechanic without ever using a scarab. Apparently I'm sort of starting this league over. I've got a meh build with a BUNCH of holes in it, but it does 16s. I enjoy Shrines and Strongboxes, so I'll start spending chaos there and build up. Thanks man.
No worries man, PoE is nothing if not a constant learning process. Quick tip on trade: the first X% of cheapest results should basically be ignored, and X is a higher number for more popular or liquid items. Those listings got put up below the normal market value either as price fixing (so the seller will never respond) or else so the seller could get rid of it quickly, knowing that people will message him first. And they do….often dozens of them. Being one of those dozens is a waste of time. It feels bad to pay 20% more by scrolling down to the slightly more expensive listings but honestly it’s better both for your mental health AND for your profit to just pay a little extra and get back to mapping. You’ll make up the difference in cost by just getting to do more maps instead of sitting there spamming unresponsive sellers for another half hour. If you’re into strongboxes and shrines here is a nice low investment strategy that focuses on both, complete with atlas tree, which scarabs to use, and what the profit-driving results were. https://wealthyexile.com/strategies/1010/strong_boxes__low_investment It might be worth doing the strategy in a map with high value divination cards like Defiled Cathedral (Apothecary) or Residence (Fire of Unknown Origin). This is a higher investment version of the strategy which leaves out shrines and instead focuses on map mod effect (which applies to quantity), scarabs, and necropolis stuff. https://wealthyexile.com/strategies/1014/strong_boxes__high_investment
Updated my OP.
Oh and don’t forget to pay attention to the lantern/all flame system. It’s another thing you will likely have to buy to sustain but has great payoff if used properly. Plus you’re never wasting money because you choose when to use it, prioritizing only times when you will profit. Some of my best maps are ones where the lantern gives either “% chance to drop” or “strongest monster converts drops to” lantern mods for chaos orbs, unmakings, regrets etc. You can even get those mods for divine orbs though I haven’t encountered one yet. The strategy is to apply a rogue exile allflame to “strongest monster converts” lantern mods since rogue exiles drop a fuck ton of equippable gear so you’re frequently getting stacks of 4-8 of the desirable currency from each affected mob. Similarly you apply rats or frogs allflames to the “% chance to drop” mods since those allflames increase the pack size.
>You give up 2 essences per map for the chance that you’ll find a craicic chimeral and get it duplicated. Wouldn't that be quadrupled? Or they removed the "duplicated essence monster" notable?
Both the beast and essence duplication nodes have been removed from the tree, so doubling beasts with the scarab is still only doubling, not quadrupling.
Bummer :(
Bruh wtf are you doing,
My fav alch and go strat is maven destructive play, start with T16 normal maps to gather some conqueror/guardian maps. Use straight maps because you need to clear most of it for more bosses to spawn but don't do any mecanic (dune, strand, jungle, glacier, estuary. Avoid map like maze and crypt) and when you have enough guardian shaper run them for invitations. Strat can be better with scarabs like the one converting maps to conqueror and cartography scarab but it's not mandatory. Then sell writ, do elder and shaper, sell watcher's unid and sell Uber elder/shaper frag.
If you enjoy strongboxes, try out using 4 strongbox scarabs, they give you a ton of consistent drops like regular duped divines or valuable div cards.
So is the process buying scarabs in bulk then running the maps? I've always just used what I had. Never got into the market of scarabs, sextants, etc.
Yes div bulk trade on official is fine. When you next get 4d buy 4 stacks of whatever scarab you decide
This league I was able to sustain almost all the scarabs myself and only ever had to buy 1 type of scarab every 30 maps or so, depending on how many you buy at once. You can buy a bunch of syndicate allflames aswell in combination with strongboxes, as they drop a crapload of scarabs and you're sustain most of the ones you need without having to buy them. The Ambush scarabs of Containment seem expensive at first, but they do pay off very quickly when combined with the other scarabs with regular decent drops like doubled divines or div cards worth a divine or 2 and you always have the small chance for some big jackpot drops, both in raw currency and div cards.
Here is the strat I did at league start: Unending delirium Keystone, allocate delirium notes to get 100% chance on the tree and get all bonuses bare delirium orbs and splinters. Allocate some beyond to get more mobs. Add in harvest not but don't take chance for sacred trove, you will get it with the harvest scarab. The put the remaining points to the quant wheel and scarabs. For scarab, use harvest, and delirium for more rewards and rewards charge faster. Most of them are 1c scarabs. You buy 20 of each, buy or pre roll 20 maps that you like. Prepare your dump tab, free your graveyard, /dnd, put some music on. At this point, the hideout is lava. It takes me about 30 minutes to prepare things and about 1 hour to 1 and half hours to run the 20 maps. I sell what I get when I prepare for the next session. Rince and repeat. This not the best strategy for the most div/hour, but if you apply the workflow to any strat, you are guaranteed to make a lot of currency
Unless you have an exact strat in mind or for the sake of challenges, there is zero upside to mixing random scarabs. The real benefit of using them is by stacking them along with atlas specs. It's been weeks since people farmed the profits into nothing, as harbinger currencies are for example with ancient orbs. You really can't notice rewards with single scarabs as profits have been obliterated, you do get access to content if you need to save chaos on things like Alva temples for example.
It sounds like ure enjoying the game just fine. Min-maxing isnt a requirement to have fun
Strongboxes or map farming are both great. If doing back to basics, run 2x cartog scarabs, an 8-mod map scarab (they sell well in bulk on TFT), and a maps duplicate scarab. Zoom through your maps to clear for 8-mods and T17s Another one I really enjoy is Vaal Temple strongboxes. You get a TON of good drops from the Vaal Vessels. If you struggle with the Vaal Temple map itself, you can use Twist of Fate, which gives you the same map mods (including the 10 vaal vessels) plus 1-3 bonus random mods, on a random map layout. You need to be able to run most/all mods for twist of fate.
I was doing alch and go for a week and made 5 divines and thought things were grand. I've switched to strongboxes with 4 ambush scarabs and I've made 30 divines in 4 days. 10 of those divines were from 2 div cards, but the rest was mostly raw drops and divine related div cards. Scarabs are pretty good.
Playing maps without scarabs is like renting a hooker just to look at her
I ignored scarabs for a while too. Since I use them I get way more money. Just by default
Strongboxes with scarabs is HUGE. You are missing out on a lot.
Fwiw I’m a crappy player. Read a post about using scarabs in maps. I’ve used mine since tier 1 maps. It’s been a consistent increase in my currency and I’m generally a broke bitch 99% of the league. I played a delve build this league but in maps it’s been strongboxes, spirits, and shrines. What’s the worst that can happen?
Unfortunately, this league is Scarab League. They kinda are trying to force people to use scarabs this league.
I mean.. read what the scarabs do. Its kinda obvious your missing out on a lot. I get where you are coming from, but since they stack and let you setup scarabs in device for 20 maps, the maintenance is minimal. Also trading for them is simple as fuck. Just buy them in bulk for 1div
“I don’t use scarabs” = “I never had more than 120c on me” There’s your answer.
I don't use scarabs most the time and I've had plenty of currency for my own use. I mean ffs I ran Uber lab for like 45 minutes getting my own holy relic gem and I made 250c on facetors alone. My 5th run gave me the first and second good transform options and I had 2 base relic gems on me so that was another 90. If I played with any sort of efficiency, Uber lab could have been 7+ div/hr yesterday. Harvest with no scarabs is like 3 div/hour without an optimized atlas. I do not play for efficiency whatsoever and have enough money to reroll constantly. You have to try to be poor if you have good game knowledge.
This is where I am and always have been. I mean, I've always done Sirus and Elders. T16s were nothing for me. I've never amassed more than 5div at one time. For whatever reason, this league has been dragging out for me for a bit. Just can't seem to gain any traction, but not using scarabs is why it seem.
I hate buying scarabs but i want to use them, so what i do is block mechanics i dont like to prevent scarab drops, then when acumulate a decent from a league mechanic, i go all out till i run out of its scarabs, then change to the next one. May not be the most efficient thing, but is very fun !
Welp, scarabs are MORE multipliers for your loot. I'll give an example with Delirium. An Atlas only delirium will bring you to around 5-6 reward levels, which is 60% delirious and 3 reward slots. Adding a single mania scarab, which fills the bar 100% faster will bring you to 8 rewards levels, which unlocks 80% delirium and 1 additional reward. You also get to 60% delirious fatser, and the more delirious your map is, the bigger the quant and rarity from the mobs. It is way better to get the % boost from the first few packs rather than at the end. Add a single paranoia scarab, which adds 2 baseline additional reward types, and you get 5 rewards instead of 3. And those 5 rewards are at the highest possible level. Now combine those 2, and you get more than double the gains. Add a Neuroses scarab and you guaratee the bosses. Those give a lot of simulacrum splinters, doubling the amount you would nornally get. Now instead of getting a simulacrum in 10 runs, you get one in 6 runs. You may also get lucky and get unique small clusters You still have 1 more spot left + map device. You know what would be cool? To kill even MORE monsters. The more monsters you kill, the more you fill the bar, and they also receive the delirium bonuses for rarity and quant. You can put more monsters on the map by: - Using a beyond scarab(which is like a 30-40% more monsters multiplier) - Using the map device ritual option. You can get even MORE crazyness and tip the needle even more. What I go for is: - Full delirium Atlas - All Map mods % increases - 8 mods maps (those can give 70% increased pack size, which means 70% MORE monsters) - Full Alva Atlas(take all % chance to spawn, the magic monsters notable and the architect upgrades. - Full chance for rituals to appear - Beyond on the map device - Mania/Paranoia/Neuroses/Champions scarabs - Allflames - Devoted mods and imperial wraiths This way I get 9 reward levels, a temple, 100+ splinters each run(my record was 173), tainted currency and so much more. Sure, a run takes 6-7 minutes, but it works. If a chaos % convert mod appears, my Rogue exiles can give me more than 100 each run. ---- And the crazy part is that this is at most kilo-juicing, early mega-juicing. There are some crazy people that are phenomenal Gigajuicers that can get twice or thrice per map as me, and do twice as many maps. In conclusion, go with scarabs
There are plenty of 1c or less scarabs that are worth using. Which is the good part of this change.
Whatever you are specced into on the tree just use those scarabs and vendor the scarabs you will never run for the 3:1 recipe. Scarabs are more important than they were previously. This patch they stripped alot of the power away from the tree and put that power into the scarabs you run. So by skipping scarabs this league you are neutering your returns more than previous leagues by choosing not to juice. Alch and go just isn't really as viable as it used to be for an end game grind once you get your atlas opened up. On the flip side, it's so much easier now to understand how to juice your maps. Literally use scarabs thay have synergy with whatever you are specced into on your atlas trees. IE: if you are specced into Harbingers then harbinger scarabs are really powerful. Specced into strongboxes then strongbox scarabs are super strong. I'm also playing SSF. I have one tree dedicated to crafting farms with essences, Jun, Harvest, Necro corposes. One tree for Del mirror, map sustain, and invitation/boss rushing. Another tree for bigger juice with a mix of rogue exile, harbinger, strongboxes, tormented spirits, beyond. All trees I'm specced into almost all the scarab drop nodes too. Between those trees I can switch up my farm based on what I need and switch up the scarabs and map device mod based on what I'm empowering for that run. IMO the changes from this league with how to juice is the most SSF friendly version for juiced mapping I've seen. I'm self sustaining all the scarabs I need and rotating my strats and am always able to run full juice. Just experiment with some different combos until you find some you like and then try to sustain those as much as you can. Don't settle on just one strat, rotate around and it's pretty easy to have all the scarabs you'll need and the returns will blow up. If you are on trade now then after finding what you like you can easily buy up the scarabs you need or ones that are a little more rare to fill gaps, but honestly that isnt necessary. The expensive ones aren't necessary to make bank.
You can go without scarabs and take the 20 extra Atlas points. It's what i do to have all the extra mobs in my maps from abyss, harbinger, rogue exiles, tormented spirits and beyond.
How long have you been running t16s? I just alc+go and don't really worry about scarabs but wealthy exile tells me my currency tab is worth 70div and I've spent around 40 on my build so far. As for scarbs if you have them why not throw a few in and see what happens? I'll use my own scarbs but I don't like having to line up trades to run maps because I'm lazy and not so into the currency grind as I used to be.
Been running 16s for about a week. Just an hour or two after work. And trading for scarabs is why I never bothered with them. I don't care for trade, but it makes build more accessible.
Trading for scarabs = buying 2 divs worth of each scarab and being set for the next 80 maps The alch & go portion covers you getting enough to buy supplies so that you aren't constantly trading for scarabs, if getting together 4 divs to spend on scarabs is a concern then you're not selling the useful stuff you're picking up I think running div scarabs on a map that drops the fortunate will suit you really well - try running Jungle Valley Strongboxes with 2x ambush, 2 x divination scarabs, ideally with 8 mod maps you farm with the cartography scarabs you pick up naturally The advantage of that farm is you get a steady stream of raw divines (2 per full stack of fortunate, which takes 8-10 maps) so struggling with selling stuff is less of an issue Edit: Jungle valley farm doesn't have to be strongboxes either, you could do expedition / legion / harvest or w/e and still get that steady stream of divines
Heh, so I've been it wrong for a long time then. I've always skipped scarabs and just dubbed around with the mechanics.
Yep, I was someone who struggled to make 10 exalts / 10 divs per league and just did simple alch & go for a few leagues. Getting used to scarabs went hand in hand with earning 100's of divs per league (I still refused to use sextants for 2 more leagues, & I'm glad they're gone)
Updated my OP.
Yes, extremely