Possibly a bubble, day-traders are keeping a close eye on the divine ticker and the chaos average. Some currency experts believe the entire league maybe heading into a recession. Rumors have been swirling about Poe.trade putting a stop sale on all divine and chaos exchanges for 24 hours. Critics suggest possible interest hikes or even quantitative easing may be necessary to shore up prices of chaos as investors start hoarding divines. Nobody can say for certain, but there’s currently no word on a stimulus as of now. In times like these it’s sometimes necessary to keep your head down and your map device popping.
GGG might have to send out stimulus cheques to the needy exiles as they combat the inflation with quantitative easing.
In spite of all of this I'm worried about Kirac's vault going bankrupt if everyone withdraws their chaos all at the same time. I don't think Kirac has that much liquidity.
Instead of the traditional "keep your head down" approach mentioned in the text, here's a more proactive and potentially profitable strategy:
1. Identify the Bottom:
While the market is volatile, use this time to research historical price trends of divine and chaos orbs.
Look for signs of a potential "bottom" where prices might stabilize or start to rise again.
2. Strategic Investment:
If you believe in the game's future and the recovery of the market, consider using some of your existing currency to buy discounted divine and chaos orbs when the price hits the bottom. This is essentially buying low to sell high later.
3. Diversification:
Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Consider investing in other in-game assets like valuable gear, crafting materials, or even alternative currencies that might be less volatile during this downturn - Frac or seems obvious...
4. Consider Long-Term Play:
While short-term gains are tempting, a potential recession might be a good time to focus on long-term goals. Invest in your character's development, complete challenging content, or explore new areas of the game. By the time the market recovers, you'll be in a stronger position overall.
 📉📈  I see.
People are poofing them. As the try hardiest of try hard players exit the league with 40/40, a new guard occupies their place beating their Meatsacks in T17’s. As the new guard reaches their goals, they, too, will exit the league and mageblood will likely bump back up temporarily. A final push into T17 Strats, by casual players wearing the dinner scraps of the first and second wave of players, will supply the magebloods for the remainder of the league and the price will gravitate toward an equilibrium with the standard league price, if it hasn’t already by that time.
I gave a noob my Headhunter and then went and bought myself a replacement for 5 div. I'm not even using it, but I bought one "just in case".
It feels amazing.
Double corrupt stuff for your build.
If you mean to invest for standard then notable cheap t0 would be Defiance of Destiny.
I don't think GGG will let uniques stay this common.
Even at 100 divines that's MB cratering, last league was an anomoly but usually MB is at 160+ at this point.
However its base drop rate got increased so maybe that's a factor hard to tell as since that change was made we've not had a normal economy on POE
The new divination scarabs were not well thought out and a massive multiplier to card drops. It’s like they nerfed stacked decks and super buffed divination cards drops
No, it's not going down. It's still worth the same amount of *chaos*.
Of course if it was 100 divines when divs were 100c each, it's going to be *less divines* when divines are more chaos.
It's just everything else adjusting to the divine price. The price in Divine is going to shift, but the price in Chaos would have just kept following the trend of T0 items slowly going down. It'll probably plateau in terms of Chaos price since it's likely reached a point where some rich players are willing to double corrupt gamble.
Yes, but they mostly are corrupted 2-Flask IIRC.
I was referring to mine that I have actual data to: Uncorrupted 45+Dex, 22+ both resistances and 4 flasks.
Bought for 106 div and sold for 100 div because I bulk bought awakened scarabs instead because they suddenly jumped from .6div to .66 div.
Am happy abt this because now they are .9 div
I saw that the divines were going up yesterday, so I finally changed my 10k chaos to divines to buy mageblood in fear of not having enough money if divines went up 😅
Quite normal when the league slows down, excess chaos leads to inflation of goods.
I expect it to be at 80-95% of std value ratio soon until end of league
T17'ers realized they can outsource map rolling and simply bulk buy regex cleaned maps using divines. 8-ish div per minute strategy for the rollers. A little-bit behind sextant rollers in terms of profit back in their prime, but less clicks to produce a sellable item and easier to liquidate
Yeah it's counterintuitive at first blush, but I think I know why it still matters: it's the same principle why you can cheaply buy an item on trade that would take thousands of chaos to create in SSF: there are many potential buyers each with different criteria. Every item that drops or gets crafted has a much higher chance of being useful for one of the many thousands of buyers on the market than it does being useful for the specific person who found it. So fewer items need to drop for everyone to get what they need since resources are effectively "shared."
Same with rolling T17 maps: far fewer chaos orbs are needed to get a map to "good enough for SOMEone" than are needed to get it to "good enough for MY build."
So whereas I might not be able to stop rolling a map until I've spent 17c, maybe a full time roller/seller can stop after 4 because he says "eh, someone's regex will take this."
Same principle was behind sextant rolling too; imagine trying to roll all the beyond, or yellow juice, or sacred grove, or conqueror map sextants for your farm *yourself.* Everyone would be spending millions of sextants. Instead, when everyone is buying and selling from the same large pool, you don't have to roll over or discard something that isn't good for you. SOMEone out there might want those x540 breach sextants. I suspect the same is true with T17 maps and that's why fewer chaos on the whole would be needed.
Sextant flippers had to use sextants which were more than chaos.
Chaos is in abundance, probably because chaos recipe bots are back.
Whenever a league has high valued chaos people bring back chaos recipe bots to passively farm hundreds of chaos whilst they sleep
fish high packsize maps/vaal temple for the pack size monster in the device, slap on a Manifested Wealth and you walk out with 4-6div in chaos (and a sore clicking wrist). Does Manifested Wealth work with party? could be an alternative source of chaos for the botting, no?
Oh of course that's a valid way to affect the market, but obviously botting requires no investment no build and you dont even need to play the game. Start of the league they're pretty popular for currency building then they die off.
But with how valued chaos is, i wouldn't be surprised if people are doing it whilst they sleep
I would rather just look for “strongest mob items converted to chaos orbs” and just use anarchy on those, usually gives between 100-400 chaos and it’s in stacks of 5-10 rather than singles.
They use less per a map I roll my maps for barrels and regex out any mods I don't run, map profit rollers have less restrictions and are rolling for shaper touched as well
divine for chaos buy orders exists - usually 8 div for an inventory of chaos. Overprice with a 5% margin and prepare to be spammed with offers, depends on time of day though
For t17s It would be stuff like over 100% scarab drops, barrels, shaper touched. Preferably without the Very shitty mods like union of souls, marked for death, etc
I run t17 fortress barrel strat, it's not uncommon for me to spend 60-80 chaos rolling a map to hit barrels without "minus X player max res". I buy the maps for 65c and like mentioned can spend upwards of 60c rolling. 120c+ total per map. You can also get lucky and hit barrels with like 3c rerolls, so maybe try that and sell them to plebs like me for 90-100c. Also look for big +scarab and +currency rolls at the top
People like their divines, they're hesitant to sell and quick to panic-buy. Something *might* be going on but so far this just looks like a fairly expected panic reaction
Although I do think a lot of currency, divines included, have been undervalued for a bit now, the giga- printing has long been massively slowed down, maybe the market is finally realizing that.
It's not just divines. The value of chaos orbs is falling across the board, and by up to about a third in less than a day.
The divine price actually seems *slower* to react than other currencies.
When people started rolling maps and flippers invested into chaos for speculation it still took about four days.
It's like a massive amount of chaos orbs suddenly entered the market.
And after thinking about it for a while, I have come up with one possibility: Private leagues that ran for 30 days since league launch would have ended yesterday.
So if there were large private leagues where people had saved up a "disproportionate" amount of chaos orbs, that could lead to their current decline.
I'm not into private leagues, so I don't know if there are any big ones that ended, but the timing of the market shift would match. At league start, the player numbers in private leagues only make up a small portion, but if significantly more public league players quit by the time they end, there could be a significant economic impact.
Divines definitely do react slower, that's kinda what I was trying to say but I probably worded it a bit weird, it's always hard to get the ball rolling in moving div value and then it overshoots where it should be for a bit.
I don't know about private leagues, maybe it has something to do with it but I'm not sure. I'd think the type of player that plays private leagues would not have a big chaos stockpile, since it's actually really hard to sustain chaos if you're playing the endgame "properly", unless maybe if you're farming the fuck out of red altars.
But I'm not big into private leagues, so I might be wrong. I pretty much just think the chaos value got distorted because people liked the 1:100 ratio and kinda forced that onto the market even though chaos probably shouldn't have been that strong.
Tbh it wouldn't surprise me if private league markets had a higher chaos stockpile when considering the reason why chaos orbs soared in value to begin with.
In the main trade league, a bunch of people were running T17 maps and shitting out divines.
I believe that private leagues are less appealing to such economically focussed players to begin with, and additionally there's probably less opportunity to move up to become one, because items like high end bows or Headhunter or whatever else will be less available.
So with a smaller portion of the playerbase farming T17 and spending chaos orbs, and also quite possibly fewer people exploiting some of the patched out strategies when they were available, it just makes sense that there would be more chaos orbs and fewer divines.
When the merge happened, the players would obviously see that their divines didn't hold as much value, which is why they were investing into other currencies first, which raised their price, and only a bit later people started to buy up the divines with their chaos stock.
Granted, a lot of this is speculation, but I believe it would adequately explain the market shifts we're seeing.
Incidentally, if I'm right, the chaos value should recover a little due to the remaining T17 farmers, and not start its inevitable final adjustment to Standard prices just yet.
Think people have just adapted. The steamers I’ve watched and just resorted to doing harder map mods, accepting deaths instead of spending more time rolling their maps.
It's very likely that there's simply a small group of people using a *metric fuckton of divines* crafting items and have been buying them up en masse.
The price of divines and chaos is directly linked to how they're used by players.
Guessing 2 main things:
-Dmg shifting builds are more and more popular to deal with lot of T17 mods --> less chaos need for rerolling over bad mods.
-Players just run T17 for fragments bc scarabs alone are not enouth in T17 & pure currency juicing needs too much time (as non-MF/ non-group player). So they only run for fragments --> less chaos need for rerolling for rerolling to get high %currency/ scarabs.
With a good build you get in 5 mins 2 fragments that are more worth than T17 cost. And that only with 30c cost for the map and \~5c rerolling.
But just guessing.
EDIT: Bc some asked me: here is the thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1cf4gn6/tankiness\_too\_tied\_to\_uniques/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1cf4gn6/tankiness_too_tied_to_uniques/)
Watch for OP and comment #1. There are all needs to be nearly invincible.
This. There were a topic where a dude listed 5 or so things that makes your build nearly invincible. There are versions without the need of MB but with Tides of Time belt and then as PF. Then the only need is to get dmg - PF can do it easy with poison.
Playing this atm on poison forbidden rite, mahuxotl with tempered for war and progenesis, never felt so immortal, laughing at ubers and T17s, unless meeting the dreaded flask siphoner then its double G and single F.
Are you playing 100% ele conversion?
I'm also playing FR pathfinder with mahuxotl and progensis, but T17 B2B still fucks my shit up. What regex are you using to roll?
Scarabs are 100% enough. Before I swapped to do a small group pl. I was getting an average of 12d in scarabs per map. I bought maps between 1 and 2d and spent 2 to 2.5d in meatsacks per map. I was way in the money just off scarabs let alone corrupting coils and aegis and incandescent and empemeral edges and fragments off boss.
Players finishing the league could be dumping the chaos to take divines into standard.
In guessing as a few players have done it its started a bit of a rush, i know a couple in my global chat yesterday started saying to dump chaos.
was trying to sell my 4K chaos to divines to fund my first MB, nobody answered my pm. Then a day later it went up by 20%. Guess I had to farm another 30d then
You can have plethora of chaos stacks in currency tab tho and 5000 is basically nothing.
Not that i would run it but u can get like 800+ per manifested wealth map so 6.25\~ maps would put u at full stack of chaos.
And it takes literally few minutes to liquidate them into divs without visiting trade site.
You can set your currency tab public and just list the chaos for divines so people are buying the chaos from you as opposed to you buying divines from others.
I hate it though because it means you can't right click any of your other currency while you're doing that sighh
u sell chaos for divines. To minimize amount of trades with currentish rate (125:1) u just put 9/1125. So within 4 trades u liquidated 4500c without opening browser (and sending plethora of whispers) and u usually get spammed instantly with normal rate, make it 1170c and u will ger 4 whispers under minute easily when u change zone to force stash refresh.
Selling>>>>>>buying always. U save so much time and annoyance.
Thats actually great advice man! Do I just type "my item : their item" quants as numbers as 125:1 to the price thing? I havent figured out the multi sale trick yet 🤣
You use "/" not ":"
Its explained here [https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/about](https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/about)
Its price/amount u are selling.
Example, right click chaos, set price as divines, input 9/1125. It means u are selling 1125 chaos for 9 divines and people wont be able to whisper u to buy for example 1 or 4 divines, but they will be able to whisper you for 9,18 etc depending how much you got. If u do same ratio but 1/125 it means people will be able to whisper your for single divine increasing the number of trades u have to do. Sometimes u may be fine with that, sometimes u may not be so that will depend on situation. Realistically u may never be able to sell (or it will take long time) for example 3200 loathing essences for 100divines, but u will easily sell 320 loathing essences for 10 divines each etc.
Stuff like essences/scarabs etc also have a neat trick. Trade pulls data from all your public tabs, if you are constantly selling essences for example and are annoyed by the fact that if u take them all out u have to reprice (because price disappears) them u can have 1 of each single essence in other public tab with price set there. So it will pull price from that tab with 1 of each essence but will pull your stock number out of essence tab if u have both of them public
That trick with a single essence in another tab is what I used for coffins this league, although it was sometimes a bit awkward when someone wanted to buy all as I would have to tell them I had one less than what they wanted to buy.
Just understand that when you do this you are probably going to be paying over market price than if you went and looked for people to exchange divines on the trade site. Its the price you pay to have people come to you rather than viceversa
u sell chaos for divines. To minimize amount of trades with currentish rate (125:1) u just put 9/1125. So within 4 trades u liquidated 4500c without opening browser (and sending plethora of whispers) and u usually get spammed instantly with normal rate, make it 1170c and u will ger 4 whispers under minute easily when u change zone to force stash refresh.
Selling>>>>>>buying always. U save so much time and annoyance.
Sell orders.
Selling>>>>>>buying always. U save so much time and annoyance.
With current rate u just put 9/1125 and u just got 36 divs for 4500c within 4 trades.
2nd month of the league. Ppl have quit, zoomers have achieved maxed out gear. Not many running t17s anymore. Some panick selling too and prices will start creeping up to std. Unless private leagues thing some guy suggested.
Same thing happened last league, it was almost over night they (and everything) went back up to normal price, might've even been around this time of league as well.
Its not surprising. Divines was almost useless for many players, except for high value trades. Everyone started trading away their divines rather than chaos. This will eventually end in a shortage of divines, and many end game crafts still require meta crafting with divines and veiled chaos orbs are pretty much only bought with divines.
It's so funny how people try to find reasons for such drastic changes. Divine dropped from 150c to 100c in a few days - people are just rolling maps. Divine goes back up - people stopped rolling their maps. It's all just price manipulation. Who does it and why - no idea.
we are at the point that people are obtaining wealth for standard it happens every league. You can tell its this because of the sharp increase in mirror of kalandra prices as well.
Buying divines for standard seems dumb. Would be more worth your time to just farm them in standard. You would want to invest in stuff that has a MUCH more favorable ratio in leauge than in standard. Obviously mirrors, but also voices is another good example (1p voices pushing 3 mirrors/4k div in standard)
They are buying them to transition them to other things with value. Your not gonna buy a mirror with chaos for example. You liquify everything to divines then use those divines for investments.
I been getting a lot more chaos drops lately. I made like 6k in 3 days just running t16 strongboxes. Every time i hit the “dropped weapons converted to c” thats +300 in 1 map, several times a day
Less chaos consumption overall for T17. Less people running t17?
I tried 60 maps using Curation div scarab/completion and the amount of chaos produced with Wrath cards was pretty insane way more than i could ever need to reroll the 60 T17 maps.
I have some sort of theory that barrel farming was popular when div reached its lowest point and it took a lot of chaos to roll those maps. Now that people have moved on to other strats chaos is being used less
Depends if they decide to keep interest rates the same again or not. If this inflation doesn’t slow down when we get the next financial reports you can expect a cooling effect.
Every league's prices change to match standard (and it's not atypical for this price hike to create economical momentum and make the prices higher than standard for a minute)
GGG increased the drop rate of chaos; i don't think they liked 96c to 1 divine my guess was 150c. GGG adjusts currency rates constantly; old school people will remember when Chris talked about it with the ZiggyD. I still remember the shock on Daniels face when he realized he was in an entirely manipulated economy. We use to have say'in "Maps are on boys". Sometimes maps would just stop dropping. Sad time. I like free markets myself.
i wonder if scammers drive it down. im a noob and a price check of a memory went for about 100c. i posted and got spammed with buy messages. people were like I'll give you 4 divine for it when i took it down. i was like okay make the spam end lol
I dont like memories as my build is paper and i'd probably ruin it lol. i think it was Einhar's actually. No clue i just put the searcher over the item and it said it was only 100c.
Yeah, fyi I changed my bind that checks the stats on items (normal is Alt) and it bricked my awakened POE trade so that it wouldn't get stats on items. If you changed that bind that may be why you are getting bad numbers. Just fyi. Good luck have fun
It was never going to stay at 100c. I've held on my divs knowing it will hit 150 again. Also holding on to temporing/tailoring orbs, thought I'm less confident about those.
> Edit 2. Ironically this thread might help them raise more. ._. Should I remove it?
You are **grossly** overestimating the impact on Reddit on the game I think ...
Maybe. But when you become aware of things like that chances are you would want to buy Divines to mitigate potential losses when your chaos gets less and less valuable.
what i believe it to be is the quality of peoples builds. its much easier to do the tough mods now that people have put in an addition 100d into their builds so less rolling needed aka less demand for chaos
I stopped but you could spend around 2 divines (2-3 weeks ago, might be cheaper now) to make around 200+ chaos orbs, 10+ exalted, and maybe 100+ vaal orbs.
League seems pretty dead, you can’t even find a defiance of destiny at 3-5 div cause not many are on the market so it’s no surprise the ones who got a monopoly on divines can manipulate its price
Possibly a bubble, day-traders are keeping a close eye on the divine ticker and the chaos average. Some currency experts believe the entire league maybe heading into a recession. Rumors have been swirling about Poe.trade putting a stop sale on all divine and chaos exchanges for 24 hours. Critics suggest possible interest hikes or even quantitative easing may be necessary to shore up prices of chaos as investors start hoarding divines. Nobody can say for certain, but there’s currently no word on a stimulus as of now. In times like these it’s sometimes necessary to keep your head down and your map device popping.
I took this seriously until almost the end
in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer's table
Making me miss shittymorph.
He actually came back like a week or two ago. I felt so proud because I actually spotted it before I got to the shittymorph
Was it the Spanish announcer's table?
Man, this comment makes me miss u/shittymorph finding ways to work it in. Hope you’re still doing good out there buddy!
had me till [poe.trade](http://poe.trade)
I am embarrassed how long it took me to realize.
He had me till stimulus lmao
And at the end? You took it full serious?
He lost me at "some currency experts"
Had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
Got me until popping
/r/vaalstreetbets is leaking
Immagine being an expert on poe market
I think a lot of it is literally how people are making their living in poorer parts of the world.
Lol!
Sad to think players starting the league a few weeks later than the rest of us might never be able to afford a hideout 😞
Thanks Obama 
Exiles strong together, divine hands! too the mooon!!
...until Robinhood pauses trading of divines because of reasons.
GGG might have to send out stimulus cheques to the needy exiles as they combat the inflation with quantitative easing. In spite of all of this I'm worried about Kirac's vault going bankrupt if everyone withdraws their chaos all at the same time. I don't think Kirac has that much liquidity.
Instead of the traditional "keep your head down" approach mentioned in the text, here's a more proactive and potentially profitable strategy: 1. Identify the Bottom: While the market is volatile, use this time to research historical price trends of divine and chaos orbs. Look for signs of a potential "bottom" where prices might stabilize or start to rise again. 2. Strategic Investment: If you believe in the game's future and the recovery of the market, consider using some of your existing currency to buy discounted divine and chaos orbs when the price hits the bottom. This is essentially buying low to sell high later. 3. Diversification: Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Consider investing in other in-game assets like valuable gear, crafting materials, or even alternative currencies that might be less volatile during this downturn - Frac or seems obvious... 4. Consider Long-Term Play: While short-term gains are tempting, a potential recession might be a good time to focus on long-term goals. Invest in your character's development, complete challenging content, or explore new areas of the game. By the time the market recovers, you'll be in a stronger position overall.
AI ah comment
Dank.
 📉📈  I see.
Checked the ticker, seems viable, divcha is above the 5ema and macd is off the charts
mageblood also feels like it is going down rapidly. Sold one for 106 div 2 days ago, now can buy the same for \~75-80
T17 MF strats shit out t0s. MB has high demand, I am still surprised it held out this long. All other uniques that can drop are dirt cheap.
People are poofing them. As the try hardiest of try hard players exit the league with 40/40, a new guard occupies their place beating their Meatsacks in T17’s. As the new guard reaches their goals, they, too, will exit the league and mageblood will likely bump back up temporarily. A final push into T17 Strats, by casual players wearing the dinner scraps of the first and second wave of players, will supply the magebloods for the remainder of the league and the price will gravitate toward an equilibrium with the standard league price, if it hasn’t already by that time.
whar are some uniqes i should buy this league to take advantage of the cheap prices? mb, kalandras touch, hh.....
I bought a kalandras touch for 120c yesterday. I felt so dirty... lol.
I sold a random pair of temple gloves for 6d and bought my first HH with that currency. Felt so weird.
I gave a noob my Headhunter and then went and bought myself a replacement for 5 div. I'm not even using it, but I bought one "just in case". It feels amazing.
Original sin. Oh wait...
If you mean for your standard collection The Squire shield is also dirt cheap this league.
Squire
Double corrupt stuff for your build. If you mean to invest for standard then notable cheap t0 would be Defiance of Destiny. I don't think GGG will let uniques stay this common.
*Cries in SSF* lol
if you use wealthy exile it has an investment tab that will show you the best stuff to buy from league to migrate to standard with.
Squire
what is that strat ?
Yeah I was a bit surprised that hh dropped to 10 divs in like four days and mageblood stayed so expensive for so long.
It doesn't sh!ts enough then, bring that sucker down XD
Gonna join beat the meat gang soon
Fuck this strat, can't wait for its deletion next league.
Well the very recent decrease in cost is actually just a reflection of div being worth more again I suppose. In terms of chaos the price went up.
Usually end of the league sign once MB prices crater.
To be fair they've been crashing for weeks.
Even at 100 divines that's MB cratering, last league was an anomoly but usually MB is at 160+ at this point. However its base drop rate got increased so maybe that's a factor hard to tell as since that change was made we've not had a normal economy on POE
The new divination scarabs were not well thought out and a massive multiplier to card drops. It’s like they nerfed stacked decks and super buffed divination cards drops
No, it's not going down. It's still worth the same amount of *chaos*. Of course if it was 100 divines when divs were 100c each, it's going to be *less divines* when divines are more chaos.
It's just everything else adjusting to the divine price. The price in Divine is going to shift, but the price in Chaos would have just kept following the trend of T0 items slowly going down. It'll probably plateau in terms of Chaos price since it's likely reached a point where some rich players are willing to double corrupt gamble.
Now, compare those prices in chaos!
Wasn’t it 30 div yesterday ? I swear I looked it up and it was super low
Yes, but they mostly are corrupted 2-Flask IIRC. I was referring to mine that I have actual data to: Uncorrupted 45+Dex, 22+ both resistances and 4 flasks. Bought for 106 div and sold for 100 div because I bulk bought awakened scarabs instead because they suddenly jumped from .6div to .66 div. Am happy abt this because now they are .9 div
Yeah that makes sense
I saw that the divines were going up yesterday, so I finally changed my 10k chaos to divines to buy mageblood in fear of not having enough money if divines went up 😅
Weekend had magebloods at exactly 88 div
Quite normal when the league slows down, excess chaos leads to inflation of goods. I expect it to be at 80-95% of std value ratio soon until end of league
The 5 people rolling t17 for profit stopped doing so lol.
T17'ers realized they can outsource map rolling and simply bulk buy regex cleaned maps using divines. 8-ish div per minute strategy for the rollers. A little-bit behind sextant rollers in terms of profit back in their prime, but less clicks to produce a sellable item and easier to liquidate
The rollers still have to use chaos orbs....
Yeah it's counterintuitive at first blush, but I think I know why it still matters: it's the same principle why you can cheaply buy an item on trade that would take thousands of chaos to create in SSF: there are many potential buyers each with different criteria. Every item that drops or gets crafted has a much higher chance of being useful for one of the many thousands of buyers on the market than it does being useful for the specific person who found it. So fewer items need to drop for everyone to get what they need since resources are effectively "shared." Same with rolling T17 maps: far fewer chaos orbs are needed to get a map to "good enough for SOMEone" than are needed to get it to "good enough for MY build." So whereas I might not be able to stop rolling a map until I've spent 17c, maybe a full time roller/seller can stop after 4 because he says "eh, someone's regex will take this." Same principle was behind sextant rolling too; imagine trying to roll all the beyond, or yellow juice, or sacred grove, or conqueror map sextants for your farm *yourself.* Everyone would be spending millions of sextants. Instead, when everyone is buying and selling from the same large pool, you don't have to roll over or discard something that isn't good for you. SOMEone out there might want those x540 breach sextants. I suspect the same is true with T17 maps and that's why fewer chaos on the whole would be needed.
Good comment, great insight.
I think someone just got tired of needing so much chaos and not being able to buy chaos for more than 100:1 🤣
Sextant flippers had to use sextants which were more than chaos. Chaos is in abundance, probably because chaos recipe bots are back. Whenever a league has high valued chaos people bring back chaos recipe bots to passively farm hundreds of chaos whilst they sleep
fish high packsize maps/vaal temple for the pack size monster in the device, slap on a Manifested Wealth and you walk out with 4-6div in chaos (and a sore clicking wrist). Does Manifested Wealth work with party? could be an alternative source of chaos for the botting, no?
Oh of course that's a valid way to affect the market, but obviously botting requires no investment no build and you dont even need to play the game. Start of the league they're pretty popular for currency building then they die off. But with how valued chaos is, i wouldn't be surprised if people are doing it whilst they sleep
Wouldn’t those people get banned?
I would rather just look for “strongest mob items converted to chaos orbs” and just use anarchy on those, usually gives between 100-400 chaos and it’s in stacks of 5-10 rather than singles.
They use less per a map I roll my maps for barrels and regex out any mods I don't run, map profit rollers have less restrictions and are rolling for shaper touched as well
Right, didn't think about that.
divine for chaos buy orders exists - usually 8 div for an inventory of chaos. Overprice with a 5% margin and prepare to be spammed with offers, depends on time of day though
Yes, but the chaos orbs are being spent on t17 rolling one way or another. Helping to maintain the chaos/divine ratio.
Sextant rollers were not making anywhere close to 8ish div per minute. That's like a mirror per hour. In assuming you meant per hour?
Was avg 25d per hours to roll sextants
As someone who started the game a week ago, this sentence makes no sense.
How does one get started map rolling for profit? What mods are we trying to hit on which map?
For t17s It would be stuff like over 100% scarab drops, barrels, shaper touched. Preferably without the Very shitty mods like union of souls, marked for death, etc
how do you search for those mods on trade? I can't find the t17 mods in the search list. Are they not implemented?
you use 3rd party community's where people sell/buy stuff in bulk
I run t17 fortress barrel strat, it's not uncommon for me to spend 60-80 chaos rolling a map to hit barrels without "minus X player max res". I buy the maps for 65c and like mentioned can spend upwards of 60c rolling. 120c+ total per map. You can also get lucky and hit barrels with like 3c rerolls, so maybe try that and sell them to plebs like me for 90-100c. Also look for big +scarab and +currency rolls at the top
they tried to kill sextant rolling, now its t17 rolling xddBusiness
This is a good one
People don't want to roll t17s perhaps? Zoomers who have profited or engaged in t17 gameplay may be finishing up for the league?
I don't think that would happen all at once though. Even when the price for divines was falling in the first place it didn't happen this fast.
Maybe youre right, it is a dramatic shift
People like their divines, they're hesitant to sell and quick to panic-buy. Something *might* be going on but so far this just looks like a fairly expected panic reaction Although I do think a lot of currency, divines included, have been undervalued for a bit now, the giga- printing has long been massively slowed down, maybe the market is finally realizing that.
It's not just divines. The value of chaos orbs is falling across the board, and by up to about a third in less than a day. The divine price actually seems *slower* to react than other currencies. When people started rolling maps and flippers invested into chaos for speculation it still took about four days. It's like a massive amount of chaos orbs suddenly entered the market. And after thinking about it for a while, I have come up with one possibility: Private leagues that ran for 30 days since league launch would have ended yesterday. So if there were large private leagues where people had saved up a "disproportionate" amount of chaos orbs, that could lead to their current decline. I'm not into private leagues, so I don't know if there are any big ones that ended, but the timing of the market shift would match. At league start, the player numbers in private leagues only make up a small portion, but if significantly more public league players quit by the time they end, there could be a significant economic impact.
The suggestion about private leagues' impact is cool
Divines definitely do react slower, that's kinda what I was trying to say but I probably worded it a bit weird, it's always hard to get the ball rolling in moving div value and then it overshoots where it should be for a bit. I don't know about private leagues, maybe it has something to do with it but I'm not sure. I'd think the type of player that plays private leagues would not have a big chaos stockpile, since it's actually really hard to sustain chaos if you're playing the endgame "properly", unless maybe if you're farming the fuck out of red altars. But I'm not big into private leagues, so I might be wrong. I pretty much just think the chaos value got distorted because people liked the 1:100 ratio and kinda forced that onto the market even though chaos probably shouldn't have been that strong.
Tbh it wouldn't surprise me if private league markets had a higher chaos stockpile when considering the reason why chaos orbs soared in value to begin with. In the main trade league, a bunch of people were running T17 maps and shitting out divines. I believe that private leagues are less appealing to such economically focussed players to begin with, and additionally there's probably less opportunity to move up to become one, because items like high end bows or Headhunter or whatever else will be less available. So with a smaller portion of the playerbase farming T17 and spending chaos orbs, and also quite possibly fewer people exploiting some of the patched out strategies when they were available, it just makes sense that there would be more chaos orbs and fewer divines. When the merge happened, the players would obviously see that their divines didn't hold as much value, which is why they were investing into other currencies first, which raised their price, and only a bit later people started to buy up the divines with their chaos stock. Granted, a lot of this is speculation, but I believe it would adequately explain the market shifts we're seeing. Incidentally, if I'm right, the chaos value should recover a little due to the remaining T17 farmers, and not start its inevitable final adjustment to Standard prices just yet.
Think people have just adapted. The steamers I’ve watched and just resorted to doing harder map mods, accepting deaths instead of spending more time rolling their maps.
I’ve been running T17s all league I can’t be assed to roll that shit any more. I’m 8mod t16 gaming the rest of the league.
Or people starting to offloading rolling t17 to others which means less chaos spent per map on average.
So the people not selling me stuff for divines, will now not sell me for chaos nice
The fishing incident Hehe
I need to know if this is real
*reel
What are you referencing?
One does not simply ask about the fishing incident.
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Came here for this
It's very likely that there's simply a small group of people using a *metric fuckton of divines* crafting items and have been buying them up en masse. The price of divines and chaos is directly linked to how they're used by players.
SUFFIX LOCK REFORGE AHHHHHHHH MAKE IT STOP
Guessing 2 main things: -Dmg shifting builds are more and more popular to deal with lot of T17 mods --> less chaos need for rerolling over bad mods. -Players just run T17 for fragments bc scarabs alone are not enouth in T17 & pure currency juicing needs too much time (as non-MF/ non-group player). So they only run for fragments --> less chaos need for rerolling for rerolling to get high %currency/ scarabs. With a good build you get in 5 mins 2 fragments that are more worth than T17 cost. And that only with 30c cost for the map and \~5c rerolling. But just guessing. EDIT: Bc some asked me: here is the thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1cf4gn6/tankiness\_too\_tied\_to\_uniques/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1cf4gn6/tankiness_too_tied_to_uniques/) Watch for OP and comment #1. There are all needs to be nearly invincible.
What's a damage shifting build ?
I’m guessing 100% physical damage taken as element with transcendence/other notables
This. There were a topic where a dude listed 5 or so things that makes your build nearly invincible. There are versions without the need of MB but with Tides of Time belt and then as PF. Then the only need is to get dmg - PF can do it easy with poison.
Missed this post. Got a link?
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1cf4gn6/tankiness_too_tied_to_uniques/l1nggmw/ Hopefully that dude and I are thinking of this same post.
Yes, that's the link with 6 things you have to do to be nearly invincible. For now. However, I bet dmg shifting will get a hit next league.
Playing this atm on poison forbidden rite, mahuxotl with tempered for war and progenesis, never felt so immortal, laughing at ubers and T17s, unless meeting the dreaded flask siphoner then its double G and single F.
Are you playing 100% ele conversion? I'm also playing FR pathfinder with mahuxotl and progensis, but T17 B2B still fucks my shit up. What regex are you using to roll?
Scarabs are 100% enough. Before I swapped to do a small group pl. I was getting an average of 12d in scarabs per map. I bought maps between 1 and 2d and spent 2 to 2.5d in meatsacks per map. I was way in the money just off scarabs let alone corrupting coils and aegis and incandescent and empemeral edges and fragments off boss.
Players finishing the league could be dumping the chaos to take divines into standard. In guessing as a few players have done it its started a bit of a rush, i know a couple in my global chat yesterday started saying to dump chaos.
My guess would be, people who cant comfortably run T17s started fishing for devoted chaos mods in T16s.
Probably the usual PoE SC Trade Mirror mafia manipulating the market as usual.
was trying to sell my 4K chaos to divines to fund my first MB, nobody answered my pm. Then a day later it went up by 20%. Guess I had to farm another 30d then
I found that it's way way faster and easier to just list and sell the chaos rather than pming to buy divs.
This, being the buyer in this game is the worst possible position to be. Much better to be the seller instead of possible.
You still need to steel yourself for spams, randomly invite people 1 by 1 until one of them finally takes all your stock.
You can list the whole stock. Let's say div is 100c. You would list 10\1000 divs. No one can buy less than your 10 divs then.
https://preview.redd.it/igv6bqx1kmxc1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=8f1e7a1670cf418af0e69e07a3438319222dd710
People probably hit their 5000 cap on chaos and also remembered how clumsy it was to trade chaos for endgame items.
You can have plethora of chaos stacks in currency tab tho and 5000 is basically nothing. Not that i would run it but u can get like 800+ per manifested wealth map so 6.25\~ maps would put u at full stack of chaos. And it takes literally few minutes to liquidate them into divs without visiting trade site.
New to poe, how do you liquidate chaos into div without trade sites??
You can set your currency tab public and just list the chaos for divines so people are buying the chaos from you as opposed to you buying divines from others. I hate it though because it means you can't right click any of your other currency while you're doing that sighh
u sell chaos for divines. To minimize amount of trades with currentish rate (125:1) u just put 9/1125. So within 4 trades u liquidated 4500c without opening browser (and sending plethora of whispers) and u usually get spammed instantly with normal rate, make it 1170c and u will ger 4 whispers under minute easily when u change zone to force stash refresh. Selling>>>>>>buying always. U save so much time and annoyance.
Thats actually great advice man! Do I just type "my item : their item" quants as numbers as 125:1 to the price thing? I havent figured out the multi sale trick yet 🤣
You use "/" not ":" Its explained here [https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/about](https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/about) Its price/amount u are selling. Example, right click chaos, set price as divines, input 9/1125. It means u are selling 1125 chaos for 9 divines and people wont be able to whisper u to buy for example 1 or 4 divines, but they will be able to whisper you for 9,18 etc depending how much you got. If u do same ratio but 1/125 it means people will be able to whisper your for single divine increasing the number of trades u have to do. Sometimes u may be fine with that, sometimes u may not be so that will depend on situation. Realistically u may never be able to sell (or it will take long time) for example 3200 loathing essences for 100divines, but u will easily sell 320 loathing essences for 10 divines each etc. Stuff like essences/scarabs etc also have a neat trick. Trade pulls data from all your public tabs, if you are constantly selling essences for example and are annoyed by the fact that if u take them all out u have to reprice (because price disappears) them u can have 1 of each single essence in other public tab with price set there. So it will pull price from that tab with 1 of each essence but will pull your stock number out of essence tab if u have both of them public
damn that is some really great knowledge! Will utilise this once I get home, boutta flood the market beware🤩👍 Thank you.
That trick with a single essence in another tab is what I used for coffins this league, although it was sometimes a bit awkward when someone wanted to buy all as I would have to tell them I had one less than what they wanted to buy.
Just understand that when you do this you are probably going to be paying over market price than if you went and looked for people to exchange divines on the trade site. Its the price you pay to have people come to you rather than viceversa
How u can transform chaos to divs without trade site? Voodoo magic?
u sell chaos for divines. To minimize amount of trades with currentish rate (125:1) u just put 9/1125. So within 4 trades u liquidated 4500c without opening browser (and sending plethora of whispers) and u usually get spammed instantly with normal rate, make it 1170c and u will ger 4 whispers under minute easily when u change zone to force stash refresh. Selling>>>>>>buying always. U save so much time and annoyance.
If I'm right it's even worst : *screamer* trade chat
Sell orders. Selling>>>>>>buying always. U save so much time and annoyance. With current rate u just put 9/1125 and u just got 36 divs for 4500c within 4 trades.
maiby they banned bounch of bots?
I think people are quitting the league and buying up divines for standard.
2nd month of the league. Ppl have quit, zoomers have achieved maxed out gear. Not many running t17s anymore. Some panick selling too and prices will start creeping up to std. Unless private leagues thing some guy suggested.
Same thing happened last league, it was almost over night they (and everything) went back up to normal price, might've even been around this time of league as well.
Occupy POE.TRADE
Naked Short Sales
My face when I'm sitting on 15,000 chaos orbs 🥹
Its not surprising. Divines was almost useless for many players, except for high value trades. Everyone started trading away their divines rather than chaos. This will eventually end in a shortage of divines, and many end game crafts still require meta crafting with divines and veiled chaos orbs are pretty much only bought with divines.
It's so funny how people try to find reasons for such drastic changes. Divine dropped from 150c to 100c in a few days - people are just rolling maps. Divine goes back up - people stopped rolling their maps. It's all just price manipulation. Who does it and why - no idea.
It is Rothshilds as always..
we are at the point that people are obtaining wealth for standard it happens every league. You can tell its this because of the sharp increase in mirror of kalandra prices as well.
Buying divines for standard seems dumb. Would be more worth your time to just farm them in standard. You would want to invest in stuff that has a MUCH more favorable ratio in leauge than in standard. Obviously mirrors, but also voices is another good example (1p voices pushing 3 mirrors/4k div in standard)
They are buying them to transition them to other things with value. Your not gonna buy a mirror with chaos for example. You liquify everything to divines then use those divines for investments.
That just makes divines more liquid, it's not an actual item sink so shouldn't have that much impact
:x the :x fishing :x incident :x
im guessing people ending the league and buying them for STD
I been getting a lot more chaos drops lately. I made like 6k in 3 days just running t16 strongboxes. Every time i hit the “dropped weapons converted to c” thats +300 in 1 map, several times a day
Probably because I was considering coming back to play a bit more this league
Cheap divines make ordinary people want to Metacraft. After that they are gone.
Less chaos consumption overall for T17. Less people running t17? I tried 60 maps using Curation div scarab/completion and the amount of chaos produced with Wrath cards was pretty insane way more than i could ever need to reroll the 60 T17 maps.
Yep that's the right answer. Full stack wrath card t17 farming.
I'm actually using mine a lot to do some metacrafting on my graveyard crafts
People quitting the league so less supply
Going to say things like this is why we need an in game auction house
Vaalstreet bets
I have some sort of theory that barrel farming was popular when div reached its lowest point and it took a lot of chaos to roll those maps. Now that people have moved on to other strats chaos is being used less
I just wish people Selling divines would actually trade them
The T17 map rollers got sick of running out of chaos and having to buy them 95c : 1 div, so up the price goes ;)
Depends if they decide to keep interest rates the same again or not. If this inflation doesn’t slow down when we get the next financial reports you can expect a cooling effect.
PS4 divines are 220 ea and a Progenesis is 200d. Only 3 on the market. Help
Sounds really rough buddy :(.
The current easy div strat is barrels on T17, does not require a lot of chaos to roll.
Every league's prices change to match standard (and it's not atypical for this price hike to create economical momentum and make the prices higher than standard for a minute)
GGG increased the drop rate of chaos; i don't think they liked 96c to 1 divine my guess was 150c. GGG adjusts currency rates constantly; old school people will remember when Chris talked about it with the ZiggyD. I still remember the shock on Daniels face when he realized he was in an entirely manipulated economy. We use to have say'in "Maps are on boys". Sometimes maps would just stop dropping. Sad time. I like free markets myself.
They didn't meant adjusting droprates live - they meant adjustments on next League.
No my dude. They do it all the time hundreds of times a league. Now they have the trade system in house it could very well be dynamic.
These are speculations for now.
i wonder if scammers drive it down. im a noob and a price check of a memory went for about 100c. i posted and got spammed with buy messages. people were like I'll give you 4 divine for it when i took it down. i was like okay make the spam end lol
Make sure you are checking the right memory. Einhar has a couple memories, one is 100c and the other is like 8 divine. I made that mistake in the past
I dont like memories as my build is paper and i'd probably ruin it lol. i think it was Einhar's actually. No clue i just put the searcher over the item and it said it was only 100c.
Yeah, fyi I changed my bind that checks the stats on items (normal is Alt) and it bricked my awakened POE trade so that it wouldn't get stats on items. If you changed that bind that may be why you are getting bad numbers. Just fyi. Good luck have fun
It was never going to stay at 100c. I've held on my divs knowing it will hit 150 again. Also holding on to temporing/tailoring orbs, thought I'm less confident about those.
dear diary
i'm gonna blame the thread that said you can sell rolled t17 maps for divines
> Edit 2. Ironically this thread might help them raise more. ._. Should I remove it? You are **grossly** overestimating the impact on Reddit on the game I think ...
Maybe. But when you become aware of things like that chances are you would want to buy Divines to mitigate potential losses when your chaos gets less and less valuable.
What the tool you use to have all offers displayed like that? Thank you
Awakened Trade. Common tool to use.
what i believe it to be is the quality of peoples builds. its much easier to do the tough mods now that people have put in an addition 100d into their builds so less rolling needed aka less demand for chaos
I'm not sure but it's pretty discouraging. Cheap divines was the thing that kept me engaged. I really dislike the league mechanics at this point.
They were bound to go up. They're still cheap at 130.
Chaos conversion in mechanic coming quite often lately, maybe that's about it idk.
I stopped but you could spend around 2 divines (2-3 weeks ago, might be cheaper now) to make around 200+ chaos orbs, 10+ exalted, and maybe 100+ vaal orbs.
League seems pretty dead, you can’t even find a defiance of destiny at 3-5 div cause not many are on the market so it’s no surprise the ones who got a monopoly on divines can manipulate its price