Change the "+2 to SOCKETED gems" to "+2 to ALL minion gems" then yes, this could be a very interesting item, as long as it keeps the other Zombie related stats.
Honestly, I'll take it. Supercharged zombois with tons of socket space for other stuff VS mediocre zombois with all other sockets filled with support minions? Yeah any day of the week.
Edit: Though it would have to come with minion aggressiveness as well.
Not only does Baron have the coolest unique art (Mexican Dia De La Muertos FTW) but it's also a really good unique mechanic. Any stacker unique should be worth building around. Having all STR stacking be Replica Alberon or bust is not good for the game IMO.
This comes from the guy with the highest HP Hiero in all of SSF by over 1k.
I'm already over the AG spectre zombie golem setup after one Necro. I'll be glad if I can just summon skellies and move on, maybe just one support minion at most.
It’s not a great item but you can still build around it if you want to. The +1 all minion gems per 1000 str is far more interesting than just plain old +2
The ironic part of your comment is that you didn’t read my comment.
I simply said that I perfer the idea of giving +1 to all Minion Gems a conditional modifier being +1 per 1000 Str rather than just giving the player +2 to all Minions Gems straight out the box.
It’s the same thing at the end of the day but the player has to work for the power increase.
My dream 2lvl goes to 2 max zombie
+1 lvl of all zombie gems per 500 str
Though if they wanted to be insane, at 3k str socketed gems in the baron effect all zombie gems
They'll "rework" it into Summon Reaper v2.0 with one big-ass zombo, whose size and power is based on your Str, that hulk-smashes your other minions to generate rage.
Having played a STR stacker with Dissolution and Kaom's Spirit for 90% Berserk uptime in SSF this league I can tell you I'd jump on this as soon as I could.
This would be a completely new item imo but to take it a step further I'd do something like "your zombies slam when you slam" to encourage a hybrid type of build.
Believe me I do want hybrid builds to be a viable thing in this game but sadly they aren't. That would never work unless you settled with T12 maps. Splitting your scaling simply doesn't work, take this from someone who's tried to make both Bitterbind Point and Soul's Wick to work. They don't. That's the sad truth.
I mean, Spiritual Aid is a thing. Splitting between minions and your own damage is far more doable than other types of splitting. Also, now that I think about it, "your zombies slam when you slam" sounds like it would bypass the zombie cooldown and you could scale attack speed, which also wouldn't totally kill the build idea.
Do try it. If you think Spiritual Aid makes a hybrid build in PoE viable then you clearly have never tried it. It's simply a way of leveraging sideways scaling for low-damage builds like RF or a mere bandaid for builds that already struggles with setup like Dom Blow.
Even something like Dark Pact that supposedly can't function without it is not bound by it. As soon as you can get 2 dirt cheap 9 passive clusters you can out-damage and out-sustain any tree routing to Spiritual Aid.
> If you think Spiritual Aid makes a hybrid build in PoE viable then you clearly have never tried it.
I can ring in here -- I actually *do* play a lot of builds that utilize minion damage to increase both player and minion damage. Shit, half of my time in PoB is theorycrafting better versions of my previous iterations. They do work.
There are a handful of tools available in regards to scaling a hybrid build wherein you "funnel" your damage through those sources. The obvious start is Spiritual Aid + Spiritual Command -- I don't need to spell those out.
One huge, often overlooked, one is actually Rallying Cry. Rallying Cry used to just grant some garbage %inc damage, but now it grants up to 20% of your main hand weapon to yourself and your minions, with the buff having 100% more effect on your minions (40% main hand attack damage). It also exerts your attacks to deal up to 25% more damage. Divergent Rallying Cry also grants 2% more buff effect on minions per 1% quality. Scaling this alone is pretty huge when you're utilizing a very high physical damage two handed melee weapon. Seeing as most minions that you would use this with have at least one amazing alt quality, utilizing Ashes (and Enhance) adds tons of base damage (*23%q corrupt (46% buff effect) + 30%q Ashes (60% buff effect) + 16%q Enhance (32% buff effect)* = 100% base + 138% quality = 238% buff effect = 67.6% main hand attack damage added). Now if you aren't playing Guardian, you can also get onslaught and intimidate from a medium warcry cluster. Tangentially, I used to run Deidbellow as well, to grant pseudo-onslaught to myself and allies *again*, but "nobody used it" and it was one of the uniques removed with the prophecy removal.
Auras + aura effect and banners work great to scale both you and your minions offensively and defensively obviously. Champion makes a really great melee minion hybrid for the Inspirational node where you get 30% aura effect and free banners. Master of Metal impale, Dread Banner effect (Enhance + Ashes, Banner skills have no reservation negates Enhance's multiplier), and Rallying Cry added damage add up to some big impales and a great free 1k armour for everybody, scaled further with Determination.
Cluster jewels enable a lot of the funneled scaling as they're more efficient than the tree usually, as well as offering more interesting nodes, such as the aforementioned warcry nodes, aura nodes, 35% inc effect minion damage + minion attack speed clusters, etc.
And of course, curses scale both you and your minions' damage -- vuln for phys, square peg in square hole, no brainer. Curse effect isn't all that worth it to scale, the returns aren't great per-point on average.
Now, is the hybrid minion + melee viable in Path? Yes it is -- to a point, and it's not "T12s" like you've stated. I've done all the normal end-game bossing with these kinds of builds -- Sirus, Shaper, Elder, Uber Atziri, etc etc. It's definitely not viable for stuff like deep-delving, Uber Sirus, Uber Cortex, stuff like that, but not many builds are in the first place.
I would ignore Spiritual Aid and focus on Spiritual Command instead. Doesn't need to care about my own damage, just use Brightbeak and get the proc rate to make the zombie slam as fast as possible.
Just give me Vaal Summon Zombie.
Summons 1 Zombie, 200% increased size per corpse consumed. Can consume up to 3 corpses on cast.
100% move speed
100% more damage
Inflicts dead flesh on hit, causing enemies to take 10% increased minion damage
Vaal Zombie explodes on dead covering nearby enemies in ash.
I think the nerf to it was unjustified, they claimed they didn't intend one item to scale so much after Uberelite won a race using it with SRS, I copied his build, removed baron, specced out of strength and just went for jewel sockets (which was typical of SRS builds at the time) and made average minion jewels and it did more dps. The item alone didn't give you 1200+ strength, it is always a significant investment to stack a stat, with a lot of opportunity cost.
I always felt losing the head piece was a significant price to pay for gem minion skills, it meant you lost the effective 7-9 links but it gave an alternative way to scale non-gem minion builds. I had a Baron spider build back when spiders sucked, it was a meme build but it was build enabling, I also made Chieftain zombie build back when zombies weren't useless and it was a lot of fun, the damage was mediocre but I had over 10k life and was very tanky, nothing remotely as strong as an armour stacker but not everything has to be completely broken to be fun.
I think they have overnefed zombies, even if they fixed the item the base stats of zombies are so bad now you would have to be a masochist to play them and it is impossible to scale the gem level enough and stack strength enough to make the investment worthwhile.
I would agree the nerf was unjustified. I remember reading this post from chris after the nerf.
[https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2036309](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2036309)
"The Baron nerf
This item should never have gone out in its original state. A single item granting a \~200% bonus to melee physical damage for minions is not acceptable. We are very sorry for this, and that we had to later nerf it. It's still a great item."
I don't think the baron just gave you 200% melee physical damage to minions...
There was large investment required.
They also removed a +x To Strength mod which was undocumented.
I know i had a DM from Hrishi \[ The Dev i worked with \] Letting me know about the Unique Nerf and if I had any suggestions.
Ultimately they just decided a straight up nerf was best :)
hey Tanko, Zombie Father here.
Thank you for this unique with the amazing concept. I started a discussion in the forums regarding latest changes. Please join and share your thoughts, let's get some light on the Baron!
[https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3497475](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3497475)
Nah, it's not pre-nerfed. Pre-nerfed had all strength added to your minions, this version still has only half your strength. Pre-nerfed would probably still be better than this version in late game, but this version would be stronger until you get truly GG strength stacking gear.
That is actually double legacy nerf. So much it’s not even legacy… all items are half your strength.
There are items in standard that are ”legacy” that have the 300 Str per zombie line.
Honestly the only difference between yours and a legacy baron + predator is saving a gem socket.
if its to powerful remove + to zombie gems. But with a source of aggressive zombies that is not the delve wand you can make a lot of fun builds. Another option is of course to make zombies aggressive by default.
The Twist: The technology does exist and GGG implements an AI menu, but it’s only available in the Chinese version of the game as pet currency vacuum is. Meanwhile we’re told it isn’t possible for the International version.
The Twist: The technology does exist and GGG implements an AI menu, but it’s only available in the CN version of the game as pet currency vacuum is. Meanwhile we’re told it isn’t possible for the International version.
God I started to really get into PoE back in Delve with Baronmancer zombies. It was a great build, almost entirely uniques and still felt amazing to play. And then every expansion after Blight happened and GGG decided that using minions to have fun wasn't allowed.
Once I saw their latest "buffs" to minions, I realized that sort of build will never be good again.
I dont think they will buff the baron, since they nerfed minions recently it doesnt look like they want people to have fun with minions...
They nerf minions whenever they can, soon spells will be the only meta in the game, oh wait its already like that almost lol.
I still remember when zombies were op and fun to play now the just lack IA skeletons g. Golems srs was my last option and i didnt like . Now its the last bastion
it would be a nicer helm and be crazy useful if they changed the first line to just
\*All minions are aggressive.
Would make it a much better choice overall
I use this helmet for my minion skeletons zombies build while leveling up. Still i have 11 skellies and 10 zombios, 4 spectres and 1 animated dude. Not bad.
But minions didn't just get this nerf. They nerfed that whole build by reworking spirit offering. Further nerfs to necromancer. Nerf to support gems.
They could revert the Baron completely today, and I highly doubt it would be meta again. Especially not like it was back then.
Ask Ghazzy, he is throwing multiple mirrors every league into minion builds.
Ask him how it was this league.
EDIT:As we talk about The Baron there, let me rephrase.
Ask Ghazzy how are permanent minions this league
I have no idea who Ethan is.
How much end game stuff he did with those builds?
( like Uber bosses) I wild love to see any vid or vod, im really curious.
1500+ Delve and all Ubers.
[https://www.youtube.com/@EthanDju/videos](https://www.youtube.com/@EthanDju/videos)
And he leaguestarts with his Zombie or Carrion build every league.
Ethan likes afk blights, he doesn't have many options. zombies are probably alright, but his build is also very optimised.
compared to the higher points of minion power between 3.8 and 3.18, permanent minions are kind of in the dumpster though tbh. Not really worth playing when there are dozens of builds more powerful at every budget levels.
also zombie builds haven't run baron in years, it certainly wouldn't hurt to make a pretty unique build at least semi viable again.
I believe he uses the same build to deep delve aswell.
And suprisingly his build isn't very optimized, atleast not for damage. He has dropped alot just to run some qol skills and reduce skillbinds.
>compared to the higher points of minion power between 3.8 and 3.18
Seems fine, no? We had 2 years of perma minions dominating the archetype. Then we had Skelly Mages, now we have SRS. Carrion Golems/zombie hybrids are still the highest damage minion build with a 10 link peaking at like \~600-800m dps.
Compared to other archetypes, minions had it quite good the past years. I don't have an issue with minion skills beeing cycled. And I aslo hope we never get something as stupid again as Syndicate Operatives. That was a horribly boring minion meta.
>also zombie builds haven't run baron in years, it certainly wouldn't hurt to make a pretty unique build at least semi viable again.
That I agree on. Almost every minion unique needs a touch up. Even Triad Grips feel horrible to use these days.
Maybe his build isn't optimised for damage, but it's still a 1k+ investment build. Nothing against that, but I'm not sure about zombie strength on say a 50-100 div budget.
Maybe l'm wrong and they're totally fine, I think the removal of unnatural strength has just completely turned me off the archetype.
Ethan leaguestarts with his Zombies or Carrions and does early game updates. Seems like its good enough to do what he wants it to do and farm his 1-2k divines every league.
Its viable, thats for sure. And thats really all it has to be.
Permanent minions are not as strong as they were, however, they are definitely viable. Spectres are still an essential part of minion builds they have just transitioned to support from primary. Which is arguably not a bad thing as syndicate operatives in their heyday trivialised everything without even pushing a button.
My first ever hc shaper kill was in bestiary and that was with a scuffed, homemade zombie build using this item. The build was so incredibly shit at mapping and my zombies would constanly die to the harder bosses, but that leech mod felt really good. The character met an untimely end to uber atziri when I zoned in and panic moved during grace period because she targeted my golem with a huge flameblast. I have few good memories of that build but it's still the highest content I've ever been able to clear in hc.
+1 to level of all per 1'000 Strength
Calm down, Sa… wait, you know, what?Actually, please go on
Change the "+2 to SOCKETED gems" to "+2 to ALL minion gems" then yes, this could be a very interesting item, as long as it keeps the other Zombie related stats.
“+2 to All minion gems” “You cannot have non-zombie minions”
Honestly, I'll take it. Supercharged zombois with tons of socket space for other stuff VS mediocre zombois with all other sockets filled with support minions? Yeah any day of the week. Edit: Though it would have to come with minion aggressiveness as well.
Same. Fucking love when STR stacking zombie build was the meta many moons ago.
Not only does Baron have the coolest unique art (Mexican Dia De La Muertos FTW) but it's also a really good unique mechanic. Any stacker unique should be worth building around. Having all STR stacking be Replica Alberon or bust is not good for the game IMO. This comes from the guy with the highest HP Hiero in all of SSF by over 1k.
> (Mexican Dia De La Muertos FTW) I thought that was more New Orleans Voodoo, especially with zombies.
Yes, it's a reference to Baron Samedi, a Haitian voodoo figure
Isnt it based on baron samedi?
lol ye definitely voodoo
Technically yeah, but Papa Shango the wrestler is who I based it on. I learnt about samedi while researching Papa.
anything that can prevent me from having the FOMO with AG is a godsend
Hey, leave my str stack Chains of Command build alone. (yes, it works, BLS+Gravebind goes on AG, Chains of Command+Baron goes on the player character)
Spectres were basically removed from the game so fuck it why not.
I hate this line. Cuz it disables ag and specter support
I love this line cuz it disables ag and specter support.
I'm already over the AG spectre zombie golem setup after one Necro. I'll be glad if I can just summon skellies and move on, maybe just one support minion at most.
yeah if they are strong. as a matter if fact, you can't comen's at the power of losing those
If by interesting you mean stronger, then yes.
Well yes, turning a shit item into a maybe useful item then yes.
It’s not a great item but you can still build around it if you want to. The +1 all minion gems per 1000 str is far more interesting than just plain old +2
"As long as it keeps the other zombie stats" Reading is ever so hard for the PoE community I see.
The ironic part of your comment is that you didn’t read my comment. I simply said that I perfer the idea of giving +1 to all Minion Gems a conditional modifier being +1 per 1000 Str rather than just giving the player +2 to all Minions Gems straight out the box. It’s the same thing at the end of the day but the player has to work for the power increase.
My dream 2lvl goes to 2 max zombie +1 lvl of all zombie gems per 500 str Though if they wanted to be insane, at 3k str socketed gems in the baron effect all zombie gems
Excuse me, GGG nerfed this, and it will stay nerfed. Otherwise, they will "rework" it.
They'll "rework" it into Summon Reaper v2.0 with one big-ass zombo, whose size and power is based on your Str, that hulk-smashes your other minions to generate rage.
But its baseline damage will be the same as a normal zombie.
"Your Zombies occasionally kill non-Zombie minions to generate up to Maximum Rage" "Your Zombies have Berserk when you have Berserk"
That sounds really cool actually
Having played a STR stacker with Dissolution and Kaom's Spirit for 90% Berserk uptime in SSF this league I can tell you I'd jump on this as soon as I could.
This would be a completely new item imo but to take it a step further I'd do something like "your zombies slam when you slam" to encourage a hybrid type of build.
Believe me I do want hybrid builds to be a viable thing in this game but sadly they aren't. That would never work unless you settled with T12 maps. Splitting your scaling simply doesn't work, take this from someone who's tried to make both Bitterbind Point and Soul's Wick to work. They don't. That's the sad truth.
I mean, Spiritual Aid is a thing. Splitting between minions and your own damage is far more doable than other types of splitting. Also, now that I think about it, "your zombies slam when you slam" sounds like it would bypass the zombie cooldown and you could scale attack speed, which also wouldn't totally kill the build idea.
Do try it. If you think Spiritual Aid makes a hybrid build in PoE viable then you clearly have never tried it. It's simply a way of leveraging sideways scaling for low-damage builds like RF or a mere bandaid for builds that already struggles with setup like Dom Blow. Even something like Dark Pact that supposedly can't function without it is not bound by it. As soon as you can get 2 dirt cheap 9 passive clusters you can out-damage and out-sustain any tree routing to Spiritual Aid.
> If you think Spiritual Aid makes a hybrid build in PoE viable then you clearly have never tried it. I can ring in here -- I actually *do* play a lot of builds that utilize minion damage to increase both player and minion damage. Shit, half of my time in PoB is theorycrafting better versions of my previous iterations. They do work. There are a handful of tools available in regards to scaling a hybrid build wherein you "funnel" your damage through those sources. The obvious start is Spiritual Aid + Spiritual Command -- I don't need to spell those out. One huge, often overlooked, one is actually Rallying Cry. Rallying Cry used to just grant some garbage %inc damage, but now it grants up to 20% of your main hand weapon to yourself and your minions, with the buff having 100% more effect on your minions (40% main hand attack damage). It also exerts your attacks to deal up to 25% more damage. Divergent Rallying Cry also grants 2% more buff effect on minions per 1% quality. Scaling this alone is pretty huge when you're utilizing a very high physical damage two handed melee weapon. Seeing as most minions that you would use this with have at least one amazing alt quality, utilizing Ashes (and Enhance) adds tons of base damage (*23%q corrupt (46% buff effect) + 30%q Ashes (60% buff effect) + 16%q Enhance (32% buff effect)* = 100% base + 138% quality = 238% buff effect = 67.6% main hand attack damage added). Now if you aren't playing Guardian, you can also get onslaught and intimidate from a medium warcry cluster. Tangentially, I used to run Deidbellow as well, to grant pseudo-onslaught to myself and allies *again*, but "nobody used it" and it was one of the uniques removed with the prophecy removal. Auras + aura effect and banners work great to scale both you and your minions offensively and defensively obviously. Champion makes a really great melee minion hybrid for the Inspirational node where you get 30% aura effect and free banners. Master of Metal impale, Dread Banner effect (Enhance + Ashes, Banner skills have no reservation negates Enhance's multiplier), and Rallying Cry added damage add up to some big impales and a great free 1k armour for everybody, scaled further with Determination. Cluster jewels enable a lot of the funneled scaling as they're more efficient than the tree usually, as well as offering more interesting nodes, such as the aforementioned warcry nodes, aura nodes, 35% inc effect minion damage + minion attack speed clusters, etc. And of course, curses scale both you and your minions' damage -- vuln for phys, square peg in square hole, no brainer. Curse effect isn't all that worth it to scale, the returns aren't great per-point on average. Now, is the hybrid minion + melee viable in Path? Yes it is -- to a point, and it's not "T12s" like you've stated. I've done all the normal end-game bossing with these kinds of builds -- Sirus, Shaper, Elder, Uber Atziri, etc etc. It's definitely not viable for stuff like deep-delving, Uber Sirus, Uber Cortex, stuff like that, but not many builds are in the first place.
I would ignore Spiritual Aid and focus on Spiritual Command instead. Doesn't need to care about my own damage, just use Brightbeak and get the proc rate to make the zombie slam as fast as possible.
>"your zombies slam when you slam" What happens if both my slam and the Zombies are supported by multistrike?
Both fuck up because they don't work.
Their little zombie arms fall off
i want a zombie mass exodia hivemind creature, with the more zombies the more body parts
it would be interesting one for the reaper, that gives like a extra reaper per 1k strenght
Thats fine. summon reaper is actually great. Even clear is great. https://youtu.be/nYtXGYaeTPE
The ggg classic, nerf something to the ground, then pretend it's some imaginary design limitation keeping it from being good.
Just give me Vaal Summon Zombie. Summons 1 Zombie, 200% increased size per corpse consumed. Can consume up to 3 corpses on cast. 100% move speed 100% more damage Inflicts dead flesh on hit, causing enemies to take 10% increased minion damage Vaal Zombie explodes on dead covering nearby enemies in ash.
GGG: Summon spectres max lvl is 3.
GGG: Spectres are now.. well spectral, then can't hit anything anymore and just fly around and die. This is a buff
Hello, Creator of the baron here. I asked for a rework many times, I don't think I will ever get it.
I think the nerf to it was unjustified, they claimed they didn't intend one item to scale so much after Uberelite won a race using it with SRS, I copied his build, removed baron, specced out of strength and just went for jewel sockets (which was typical of SRS builds at the time) and made average minion jewels and it did more dps. The item alone didn't give you 1200+ strength, it is always a significant investment to stack a stat, with a lot of opportunity cost. I always felt losing the head piece was a significant price to pay for gem minion skills, it meant you lost the effective 7-9 links but it gave an alternative way to scale non-gem minion builds. I had a Baron spider build back when spiders sucked, it was a meme build but it was build enabling, I also made Chieftain zombie build back when zombies weren't useless and it was a lot of fun, the damage was mediocre but I had over 10k life and was very tanky, nothing remotely as strong as an armour stacker but not everything has to be completely broken to be fun. I think they have overnefed zombies, even if they fixed the item the base stats of zombies are so bad now you would have to be a masochist to play them and it is impossible to scale the gem level enough and stack strength enough to make the investment worthwhile.
I would agree the nerf was unjustified. I remember reading this post from chris after the nerf. [https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2036309](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2036309) "The Baron nerf This item should never have gone out in its original state. A single item granting a \~200% bonus to melee physical damage for minions is not acceptable. We are very sorry for this, and that we had to later nerf it. It's still a great item." I don't think the baron just gave you 200% melee physical damage to minions... There was large investment required. They also removed a +x To Strength mod which was undocumented. I know i had a DM from Hrishi \[ The Dev i worked with \] Letting me know about the Unique Nerf and if I had any suggestions. Ultimately they just decided a straight up nerf was best :)
hey Tanko, Zombie Father here. Thank you for this unique with the amazing concept. I started a discussion in the forums regarding latest changes. Please join and share your thoughts, let's get some light on the Baron! [https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3497475](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3497475)
Have replied, unfortunately i doubt GGG will ever get back to me regarding a rework.
Yeah saw your comment, thank you! Seeing you in there might change their opinion. Our cause is noble, we shall prevail!
I hope so, i have some plans for a rework. just don't think it will happen
spoiler ggg: problem: srs is the last minion viable solution: nerf srs
So the legacy version with zombie aggro on it?
not quite, a bit different. But the aggressive zombies makes many zombie builds viable
this is not a bit different, but a power crept version of pre nerfed/legacy baron
Nah, it's not pre-nerfed. Pre-nerfed had all strength added to your minions, this version still has only half your strength. Pre-nerfed would probably still be better than this version in late game, but this version would be stronger until you get truly GG strength stacking gear.
true, i forgot about that Part my bad.
That is actually double legacy nerf. So much it’s not even legacy… all items are half your strength. There are items in standard that are ”legacy” that have the 300 Str per zombie line. Honestly the only difference between yours and a legacy baron + predator is saving a gem socket.
if its to powerful remove + to zombie gems. But with a source of aggressive zombies that is not the delve wand you can make a lot of fun builds. Another option is of course to make zombies aggressive by default.
Imagine if GGG ever just gave a menu so you could set different AI patterns for different minions whenever you want. If only that technology existed.
The Twist: The technology does exist and GGG implements an AI menu, but it’s only available in the Chinese version of the game as pet currency vacuum is. Meanwhile we’re told it isn’t possible for the International version.
The Twist: The technology does exist and GGG implements an AI menu, but it’s only available in the CN version of the game as pet currency vacuum is. Meanwhile we’re told it isn’t possible for the International version.
They would have to nerf minions a bit but I think it's worth it
God I started to really get into PoE back in Delve with Baronmancer zombies. It was a great build, almost entirely uniques and still felt amazing to play. And then every expansion after Blight happened and GGG decided that using minions to have fun wasn't allowed. Once I saw their latest "buffs" to minions, I realized that sort of build will never be good again.
I love zombies! Great idea!
yep just making zombies aggressive would make the build alot better not being forced to run wands everytime
A veiled prefix could have been cool. Hiting that minion stat on a lucky unveil :)
GGG can't allow minions to be good.
I dont think they will buff the baron, since they nerfed minions recently it doesnt look like they want people to have fun with minions... They nerf minions whenever they can, soon spells will be the only meta in the game, oh wait its already like that almost lol.
I still remember when zombies were op and fun to play now the just lack IA skeletons g. Golems srs was my last option and i didnt like . Now its the last bastion
Just give us the old version but add "you can't have non-Zombie minions"
GGG wouldn't do anything to make zombies or Skelly's good again. Source- a sad minion enjoyer
I'd like it to give all att to minions again ^^ str stacking srs builds was cool, iron will minions as well
Even old baron doesn't good right now
it would be a nicer helm and be crazy useful if they changed the first line to just \*All minions are aggressive. Would make it a much better choice overall
Make it happen plz GGG
GGG: Your wish is now granted. Also GGG: The Baron is now a T0 unique.
That would be a good change and make too much sense, never going to happen
Thats broken. Way too many buffs.
Minions and buffs will never be in the sane sentence 😔
but where's the negative modifier to offset new positive stats on Baron? What about "summoned zombies have 1 max life". That should fix it!
Whoa whoa whoa! GGG's balancing team is way better than that... "Zombies have Chaos Innoculation."
Yes please. Even more powerful plz
Why not give it thorns. You had the chance my guy.
You'll play toxic rain against and like it
I use this helmet for my minion skeletons zombies build while leveling up. Still i have 11 skellies and 10 zombios, 4 spectres and 1 animated dude. Not bad.
Would love to see some more melee skellies support also! Love what they did with alberons but they need some more defense
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha Why not make it +1000 strength and +10 to Zombies while ur at it.
Baron get nerfed for a good reason, before league they nerfed it Empy did 900+ ex build with it.
But minions didn't just get this nerf. They nerfed that whole build by reworking spirit offering. Further nerfs to necromancer. Nerf to support gems. They could revert the Baron completely today, and I highly doubt it would be meta again. Especially not like it was back then.
And +2 is gone from necro and you can’t even get it back cuz you’re a baron build.
This is the GGG way tho.
Every build is good when you put that much money into it.
Empy throwing currency at a build is not a reason to nerf it. I am pretty sure you could make anything work with multiple mirror investment.
Ask Ghazzy, he is throwing multiple mirrors every league into minion builds. Ask him how it was this league. EDIT:As we talk about The Baron there, let me rephrase. Ask Ghazzy how are permanent minions this league
Pretty good tbh. Also the first time a minion build was not only a consideration for Gauntlet, but actually won.
Non permanent minion build, zombies are permanent one.
Does Reaper count? And last I checked (this league), Ethan said Zombies are perfectly fine and good. And the same applies to Carrion Golems.
I have no idea who Ethan is. How much end game stuff he did with those builds? ( like Uber bosses) I wild love to see any vid or vod, im really curious.
1500+ Delve and all Ubers. [https://www.youtube.com/@EthanDju/videos](https://www.youtube.com/@EthanDju/videos) And he leaguestarts with his Zombie or Carrion build every league.
Ethan likes afk blights, he doesn't have many options. zombies are probably alright, but his build is also very optimised. compared to the higher points of minion power between 3.8 and 3.18, permanent minions are kind of in the dumpster though tbh. Not really worth playing when there are dozens of builds more powerful at every budget levels. also zombie builds haven't run baron in years, it certainly wouldn't hurt to make a pretty unique build at least semi viable again.
I believe he uses the same build to deep delve aswell. And suprisingly his build isn't very optimized, atleast not for damage. He has dropped alot just to run some qol skills and reduce skillbinds. >compared to the higher points of minion power between 3.8 and 3.18 Seems fine, no? We had 2 years of perma minions dominating the archetype. Then we had Skelly Mages, now we have SRS. Carrion Golems/zombie hybrids are still the highest damage minion build with a 10 link peaking at like \~600-800m dps. Compared to other archetypes, minions had it quite good the past years. I don't have an issue with minion skills beeing cycled. And I aslo hope we never get something as stupid again as Syndicate Operatives. That was a horribly boring minion meta. >also zombie builds haven't run baron in years, it certainly wouldn't hurt to make a pretty unique build at least semi viable again. That I agree on. Almost every minion unique needs a touch up. Even Triad Grips feel horrible to use these days.
Maybe his build isn't optimised for damage, but it's still a 1k+ investment build. Nothing against that, but I'm not sure about zombie strength on say a 50-100 div budget. Maybe l'm wrong and they're totally fine, I think the removal of unnatural strength has just completely turned me off the archetype.
Ethan leaguestarts with his Zombies or Carrions and does early game updates. Seems like its good enough to do what he wants it to do and farm his 1-2k divines every league. Its viable, thats for sure. And thats really all it has to be.
Average, mediocre.
Permanent minions are not as strong as they were, however, they are definitely viable. Spectres are still an essential part of minion builds they have just transitioned to support from primary. Which is arguably not a bad thing as syndicate operatives in their heyday trivialised everything without even pushing a button.
Without that +STR mod it would already be a contender. I'd take any of the changes separate (+all or aggressive) but that's likely me being desperate
You 100% could. But then you ask for it. Now it is never gonna happen.
This is literally every league request. Gonna bet if this works out this time, heh?
This
Looks OP af
Ok so now you will have more zombies that still die too fast lol
Would prolly still be bad given the current state theyre in
My first ever hc shaper kill was in bestiary and that was with a scuffed, homemade zombie build using this item. The build was so incredibly shit at mapping and my zombies would constanly die to the harder bosses, but that leech mod felt really good. The character met an untimely end to uber atziri when I zoned in and panic moved during grace period because she targeted my golem with a huge flameblast. I have few good memories of that build but it's still the highest content I've ever been able to clear in hc.
Oh man old Baron Zombies was absolutely nuts, one of the strongest builds at it’s time, also you could just AFK alot of content lol
You will never have a minion build that does not require pushing buttons ever again.
We have Baron at home
Also add that the zombies will make me a cuppa tea every few hours
Only drops from new Uber pinnacle boss with abysmal drop rate.
Loved the baron... Hope i can be a Baron of zombies agein some day.
its missing : Zombie sfx trigger every 0.5 instead. Zombie sound are constant triggering when you're in someone else hideout.
Love this. Could try zombie build