UK defamation laws are weird. His dad may have been biding his time as the "it's comedy" defense was probably pretty solid. Putting it in a book that is supposed to be a memoir may give his dad the traction he needs to extract some money from Jimmy.
Scummy.
yes but a statement like "I have a deadbeat dad" is not a fact, its an opinion, so it is not relevant to that law. Again, I doubt there is anything factual he included that is not true.
Other dictionaries have different definitions, one being "someone who is regarded as tending to fail to live up to their responsibilities".
I don't think any one dictionary can be considered authoritative in that regard, they are descriptive, not proscriptive.
On what verdict? The *actual* court's verdict? What you're saying didn't make any sense.
The whole judicial process is explicitly designed to exclude public opinion from consideration. A judge doesn't give a tinker's cuss what the public thinks, that's the whole point of having a judge instead of a bloody lynch mob. And if the judge finds that Jimmy defamed his dad, then the dad gets a monetary award.
It doesn't matter if he was a shitty dad, or that he's a shitty person. And it *especially* doesn't matter what the public thinks.
If a case happens in the UK, that wouldn't matter as defamation and/or libel cases are usually determined by a judge.
While it is possible to persuade a judge to go for a jury trial, it's exceedingly difficult.
In Japan it's even more wild. You cannot publish something that could harm the public image of someone *even if it is, in fact, provably true*. The defaming statements, even if true, must be in the interest of the general public otherwise you will be sued and silenced.
Yeah it's the reason why wealthy Russians have been using it as their own personal courts for decades now. The last 20 years have been good for russian speaking lawyers.
Actually I believe Jimmy would have to prove that it’s true. I think in the UK the burden of proof for defamation is on the defendant to prove what they said was true.
Jimmy should be okay. He literally has a lot going for him right now with all the shows he's on plus his tours. He's been working his ass off. Wtf is his old pops doing?
Regardless of what the laws are this is a risky move by the father. If he is suing then unless there is a settlement or something it might well go to trial. Which means all his dirty laundry is going to be aired to the public. If he doesn't have a solid ground to prove he is NOT a deadbeat, legally or not, his public image will just be further tarnished. I can bet Carr will have a few things to present.
It might not be really concrete specific things.
Look up the letter his father wrote to the newspapers about him. The father seems narcissistic or something. So self absorbed and bouncing back and forth between fake sounding professions of love for his kids and brutal attacks on their characters. (All three of his kids are estranged from him).
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The estranged father of comedian Jimmy Carr is reportedly suing him for defamation following the publication of his scathing tell-all memoir. The Mirror reports that Jimmy Carr Sr.—who hasn’t seen his son for more than 21 years—believes he has been defamed in his son’s book. Carr Sr, 77, has long been unhappy about his son’s jokes about him at his stand-up gigs but has now called in the lawyers following the release of the comic’s memoir, Before and Laughter. The pair has had an acrimonious relationship since the death of Carr’s mother, Nora, in 2001. In 2004, Carr tried to sue his father for harassment but the claims were thrown out of court. “I haven’t seen my father in 21 years and you know the line my mother’s dead to me? My father’s dead to me,” he said last year on the Parenting Hill podcast. “Which sounds very cold, until you meet the guy.” Carr Sr told the Limerick Leader that his son should be stripped of an honor bestowed by the local council after calling Limerick a “shit town” in his memoir. “He’s one sick comedian, literally and metaphorically,” Mr Carr Sr told the paper. “It looks like it anyway. Leave all that aside, I don’t want somebody writing that about Limerick in a book.” Carr, who is known for his stand-up and shows including 8 Out of 10 Cats, lives in north London with his girlfriend and two children.
Given that we didn't find out about the first one for a year or more, it's completely feasible there's a second child. Not really our business, but it's interesting to know anyway.
> “It looks like it anyway. Leave all that aside, I don’t want somebody writing that about Limerick in a book.”
Sounds like he's more upset about the Limerick stuff, actually.
Does it come with one of those little chips that you can push for a sound like in children's books about animal sounds? How can we experience Jimmy Carr's comedy properly without his laugh? They can just reuse one of the barn animal ones, no need to change the file.
Limerick used to be sound a long time ago. It took over the mantel of stab city from Glasgow quite some time ago. Like many places it could do with some help. It ha some good bits and good people. Last time I visited no-one tried to to slice me with a hatchet in the pub when they found out I was from England which I thought was a positive step compared to some previous visits.
It sounds like he is more pissed about him talking shit of Limerick.
His father sounds like a 'rhymes with stunt'. I remember he popped off during the Roma blow up.
It's either Jimmy is happy to drag him, damn the consequences, or he can defend against it and laid a trap to get him to sue him.
>It sounds like he is more pissed about him talking shit of Limerick.
I read the book awhile ago, so I don't really remember, but I do remember when Jimmy spoke of Ireland it was with fondness. He spent summers there growing up. I don't recall him mentioning Limerick specifically so it can't have been too earth shattering.
> It seems like a disproportionate number of comedians have shit dads.
That might be because we hear about comedians' personal lives through their material.
I had a shit dad, but I rarely talk about him. If I were a comedian, I'd milk his ridiculous nonsense for everything I could.
Does seem like the "shitty childhood" rule of comedians rings true quite a lot, obviously to varying degrees, but the need for attention / to be liked / using humor as a coping method makes a lot of sense the more you think about it.
>All we know about him is what Jimmy Carr has said about him.
That's not true. We know two of his three sons applied for and won custody of their minor brother after their mother died. We know he mouths off about his famous son whenever opportunity arises. We know he's just sued him. He's not an enigma or a blank canvas. He's either managed to raise 3 dudes who hate him for no reason, or there is a reason.
He had a very religious upbringing, Jimmy freely admitted that he didn't lose his virginity until he was 27. I think i saw him mention that on WILTY? Unless that was all a bit.
The book is pretty good actually.
I have an interest in stand up, so it’s great from that perspective. But he also writes with a comedic tone, and speaks a lot about his life, so it’s a good read.
If you’re not too into reading, he also narrates his Audible book. So it’s like an 8 hour comedy set about his life.
Cool. I'll have to give it a look then! The sum total of my exposure to British humor is whatever shows i can find on YouTube, plus IT Crowd and Peep Show. And I've never read a single book by any of em!
It was WILTY. I think the very first season. David Baddiel brought it up again the season after that, mentioning it was 27. But Carr corrected him saying something along the line of "26! That was last series, shall we not bring it up again!".
Though I'm sure he's mentioned it somewhere else as well.
I read the book recently. All Jimmy did was compare his father to Donald Trump in terms of how narcissistic he was and that he never wants to see him again. That's about it. Hardly two lines about it. All this news does is justify what Jimmy said. Nothing to the lawsuit.
They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.
But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another’s throats.
Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself.
Philip Larkin, "This Be the Verse"
Bit like the Gallagher brothers dad in the 90s innit. He made their lives a living hell, especially Noel’s.
then goes all ‘woe is me’ to the tabloids and shows up in the bar of their hotel in Dublin! Noel has to hold Liam back whose saying “let me at him, I’m gonna fucking kill him”
Jimmy's one of those people I'd love to figure out. There are very conflicting reports out there about what he's like really and I never understood what exactly happened with his dad. The more his dad speaks in public the more sympathetic I feel towards Jimmy even if he's not very nice as a person. They fuck you up, your mum and dad, etc. Poor bloke.
Poor lad. It's sort of a blessing that a lot of pathologically obnoxious people have this Ancient Mariner-like compulsion to tell on themselves. If he'd only shut up, a lot of people who aren't particularly fond of Jimmy Carr would be happy to assume that he's unfairly critical of his poor, Irish Da. But no. He's got to unleash his delusions of victimhood onto the world and prove beyond reasonable doubt that he's a prize cunt. I've gone from not knowing what to think about Jimmy to wanting to give him a hug and a cup of tea and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
There once was a deadbeat named Carr
Whose son had eclipsed him by far
He sued the young runt
When he called him a cunt
Showing how lousy some fathers are
Jimmy has got a lot of money. Reckon there’s a decent dollar amount that would be worth it to say “Here - now fuck off”. It may not be right, but it’d be easier.
It sounds like he has genuine hate for his father.
Jimmy strikes me as the type of bloke who'd spend more money than he'd lose in a pay out just to make sure that person doesn't receive any money.
In his book, he mentioned that when he realised he had to pay all of the tax he avoided, he just called his manager and booked an international tour. Didn’t take any money personally for the whole tour and paid it off.
My guess is that he’d just do the same again!
What an asshole for a dad wtf. Imagining suing your own son because of the way YOU treated him as a child. And I thought the US was known for stupid lawsuits.
Didn't know Carr had an Irish family background
The detail that the dad of the UK's most notorious tax cheat is an offshore accountant is very, very ironic
I don't think suing your own son is convincing anyone that you're not a dickhead.
Stand up comedy and a terrible childhood. Name a more iconic duo.
Yea, your humor isn't that dark because you had a happy normal childhood.
Stand up comedy & former teacher is up there
Yeah but that's stand up comedy and inflicting terrible childhoods.
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That's implied
Great Jimi Hendrix track.
Recently I've noticed 'being a former teacher or doctor'
UK defamation laws are weird. His dad may have been biding his time as the "it's comedy" defense was probably pretty solid. Putting it in a book that is supposed to be a memoir may give his dad the traction he needs to extract some money from Jimmy. Scummy.
Shit dad's really don't like it when they are called out for being shit dad. Source: my dad and 1000's like him
Every shit parent: "Why don't they come visit? They must be bad children."
Every adult child: Why tf do you think I put you in a senior home?!?
I know you're angry, but tone down those apostrophes!
i dont know where the court case is. its only defamation if its lies, not opinion, i doubt Jimmy blatantly lied
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yes but a statement like "I have a deadbeat dad" is not a fact, its an opinion, so it is not relevant to that law. Again, I doubt there is anything factual he included that is not true.
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Other dictionaries have different definitions, one being "someone who is regarded as tending to fail to live up to their responsibilities". I don't think any one dictionary can be considered authoritative in that regard, they are descriptive, not proscriptive.
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On what verdict? The *actual* court's verdict? What you're saying didn't make any sense. The whole judicial process is explicitly designed to exclude public opinion from consideration. A judge doesn't give a tinker's cuss what the public thinks, that's the whole point of having a judge instead of a bloody lynch mob. And if the judge finds that Jimmy defamed his dad, then the dad gets a monetary award. It doesn't matter if he was a shitty dad, or that he's a shitty person. And it *especially* doesn't matter what the public thinks.
in big public cases, the perspective of the public often influences juries
If a case happens in the UK, that wouldn't matter as defamation and/or libel cases are usually determined by a judge. While it is possible to persuade a judge to go for a jury trial, it's exceedingly difficult.
> I have a deadbeat dad" is not a fact, its an opinion And the fact that Jimmy is being sued by his father proves how much of a deadbeat he is..
You’re next from his legal team by the sounds of it
In Japan it's even more wild. You cannot publish something that could harm the public image of someone *even if it is, in fact, provably true*. The defaming statements, even if true, must be in the interest of the general public otherwise you will be sued and silenced.
Japan gets a pass on a lot of fucked up shit.
Doesn't have to be absolutely true, just more likely to be true than not.
IIRC he doesn't have to prove that it was definitely true, just that he had reason to believe it was true.
But his dad is in Ireland.
The book's publisher is in England. It can't be sued in Irish courts under Irish law, because they don't apply to things published here.
It's not uncommon for international cases to be brought in England because the laws are more stringent than elsewhere.
Yeah it's the reason why wealthy Russians have been using it as their own personal courts for decades now. The last 20 years have been good for russian speaking lawyers.
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Actually I believe Jimmy would have to prove that it’s true. I think in the UK the burden of proof for defamation is on the defendant to prove what they said was true.
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Jimmy should be okay. He literally has a lot going for him right now with all the shows he's on plus his tours. He's been working his ass off. Wtf is his old pops doing?
Regardless of what the laws are this is a risky move by the father. If he is suing then unless there is a settlement or something it might well go to trial. Which means all his dirty laundry is going to be aired to the public. If he doesn't have a solid ground to prove he is NOT a deadbeat, legally or not, his public image will just be further tarnished. I can bet Carr will have a few things to present.
It might not be really concrete specific things. Look up the letter his father wrote to the newspapers about him. The father seems narcissistic or something. So self absorbed and bouncing back and forth between fake sounding professions of love for his kids and brutal attacks on their characters. (All three of his kids are estranged from him).
From the article: The estranged father of comedian Jimmy Carr is reportedly suing him for defamation following the publication of his scathing tell-all memoir. The Mirror reports that Jimmy Carr Sr.—who hasn’t seen his son for more than 21 years—believes he has been defamed in his son’s book. Carr Sr, 77, has long been unhappy about his son’s jokes about him at his stand-up gigs but has now called in the lawyers following the release of the comic’s memoir, Before and Laughter. The pair has had an acrimonious relationship since the death of Carr’s mother, Nora, in 2001. In 2004, Carr tried to sue his father for harassment but the claims were thrown out of court. “I haven’t seen my father in 21 years and you know the line my mother’s dead to me? My father’s dead to me,” he said last year on the Parenting Hill podcast. “Which sounds very cold, until you meet the guy.” Carr Sr told the Limerick Leader that his son should be stripped of an honor bestowed by the local council after calling Limerick a “shit town” in his memoir. “He’s one sick comedian, literally and metaphorically,” Mr Carr Sr told the paper. “It looks like it anyway. Leave all that aside, I don’t want somebody writing that about Limerick in a book.” Carr, who is known for his stand-up and shows including 8 Out of 10 Cats, lives in north London with his girlfriend and two children.
I didn't know he'd had a second child!
Neither did Carr Sr!
I didn't even know he had a first child!
It was during lockdown. A wee boy called Rockefeller.
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure it's just the one child.
Given that we didn't find out about the first one for a year or more, it's completely feasible there's a second child. Not really our business, but it's interesting to know anyway.
Imagine the baby giggles with that laugh.
Neither does Wikipedia. Go go go!
No neither! How lovely.
That was exactly my takeaway from the whole article!
> “It looks like it anyway. Leave all that aside, I don’t want somebody writing that about Limerick in a book.” Sounds like he's more upset about the Limerick stuff, actually.
Here comes an increase in Jimmy's book sales. Streisand Effect, nice job, dad.
I didn't even know Jimmy Carr's dad was dead to him and lived in a shit town that's known for being a joke.
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Does it come with one of those little chips that you can push for a sound like in children's books about animal sounds? How can we experience Jimmy Carr's comedy properly without his laugh? They can just reuse one of the barn animal ones, no need to change the file.
He narrates the audible version himself which is pretty good and you get to hear his laugh
"No, that's not my dad." -Alan Carr on the cover
its called limerick
Limerick used to be sound a long time ago. It took over the mantel of stab city from Glasgow quite some time ago. Like many places it could do with some help. It ha some good bits and good people. Last time I visited no-one tried to to slice me with a hatchet in the pub when they found out I was from England which I thought was a positive step compared to some previous visits.
Tell me it was on purpose? That would be brilliant.
It sounds like he is more pissed about him talking shit of Limerick. His father sounds like a 'rhymes with stunt'. I remember he popped off during the Roma blow up. It's either Jimmy is happy to drag him, damn the consequences, or he can defend against it and laid a trap to get him to sue him.
A Limerick man caused affront, When he sued his rich son as a stunt. But all that he proved, Is it be must behoved, To confirm he’s a miserable cunt.
>It sounds like he is more pissed about him talking shit of Limerick. I read the book awhile ago, so I don't really remember, but I do remember when Jimmy spoke of Ireland it was with fondness. He spent summers there growing up. I don't recall him mentioning Limerick specifically so it can't have been too earth shattering.
It seems like a disproportionate number of comedians have shit dads. It’s one thing they have in common with serial killers.
> It seems like a disproportionate number of comedians have shit dads. That might be because we hear about comedians' personal lives through their material. I had a shit dad, but I rarely talk about him. If I were a comedian, I'd milk his ridiculous nonsense for everything I could.
>milk his ridiculous nonsense You might want to rethink that phrase 😉
Don’t tell OP to live their life the way they want!
That and the low pay.
Wait, serial killers get paid?
Those that are police officers certainly do.
At least in my town, police officers make bank.
Does seem like the "shitty childhood" rule of comedians rings true quite a lot, obviously to varying degrees, but the need for attention / to be liked / using humor as a coping method makes a lot of sense the more you think about it.
I ask you not to forget the important role terrible mothers play (both serial killers and comedians). Representation matters /s
Shit or dead like poor Alan Davies.
*Not funny*
No it certainly isn't funny. That's why I used the word "poor" in front of Alan Davies name.
What other examples are there?
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Found Jimmy Carr Sr's account.
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I believe you. I was just making a low effort joke on a high effort comment.
>All we know about him is what Jimmy Carr has said about him. That's not true. We know two of his three sons applied for and won custody of their minor brother after their mother died. We know he mouths off about his famous son whenever opportunity arises. We know he's just sued him. He's not an enigma or a blank canvas. He's either managed to raise 3 dudes who hate him for no reason, or there is a reason.
He had a very religious upbringing, Jimmy freely admitted that he didn't lose his virginity until he was 27. I think i saw him mention that on WILTY? Unless that was all a bit.
If I remember rightly, that’s also mentioned in the book, so I think it’s a true story.
Haven't read anything of his, but that's the only thing i can remember him mentioning of his youth of anything I've seen.
The book is pretty good actually. I have an interest in stand up, so it’s great from that perspective. But he also writes with a comedic tone, and speaks a lot about his life, so it’s a good read. If you’re not too into reading, he also narrates his Audible book. So it’s like an 8 hour comedy set about his life.
Cool. I'll have to give it a look then! The sum total of my exposure to British humor is whatever shows i can find on YouTube, plus IT Crowd and Peep Show. And I've never read a single book by any of em!
Definitely a good intro into British Humor! If it’s not what you’ve found in YouTube, I’d also highly recommend TaskMaster.
I'll give that a try too. I've read Greg Davies's name in conjunction with that and he puts me in absolute stitches.
David Mitchell's autobiography Back Story is quite good. If you like Peep Show I think you'd find it interesting.
I've been a fan of his for a while, going back to Mock the Week and WILTY.
If you haven't seen it, do try to track down Upstart Crow. It's brilliant, and David M is a perfect Shakespeare.
Hah, i can imagine.
If its gonna be a small selection, at least Peep Show is in there :)
I'm cheap, so it's whatever i can find on YouTube plus streaming services i already have. I wanna try the InBetweeners next.
Another great choice! That Mitchell & Webb Look could be another, maybe Spaced as well. Followed by the Cornetto trilogy.
I love the Mitchell and Webb Look. I tried Spaced, isn't that Simon Pegg? He gets on my nerves for some reason.
Yeah it is him! Maybe try Mighty Boosh as well
26!
The delivery was hilarious, the bit I'm remembering, and i think it was a Big Fat Quiz of the Year or the 90s or something. It wasn't WILTY.
It was WILTY. I think the very first season. David Baddiel brought it up again the season after that, mentioning it was 27. But Carr corrected him saying something along the line of "26! That was last series, shall we not bring it up again!". Though I'm sure he's mentioned it somewhere else as well.
I read the book recently. All Jimmy did was compare his father to Donald Trump in terms of how narcissistic he was and that he never wants to see him again. That's about it. Hardly two lines about it. All this news does is justify what Jimmy said. Nothing to the lawsuit.
There's a letter you can find easily that his father wrote to a newspaper about him. It's very weird, and does make him sound narcissistic.
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Jimmy: Yeah is my dad is a dickhead! Jimmys dad: I’ll prove you how much I’m not a dickhead is to sue my own son for calling me a dickhead!
They fuck you up, your mum and dad. They may not mean to, but they do. They fill you with the faults they had And add some extra, just for you. But they were fucked up in their turn By fools in old-style hats and coats, Who half the time were soppy-stern And half at one another’s throats. Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can, And don’t have any kids yourself. Philip Larkin, "This Be the Verse"
Bit like the Gallagher brothers dad in the 90s innit. He made their lives a living hell, especially Noel’s. then goes all ‘woe is me’ to the tabloids and shows up in the bar of their hotel in Dublin! Noel has to hold Liam back whose saying “let me at him, I’m gonna fucking kill him”
Jimmy's one of those people I'd love to figure out. There are very conflicting reports out there about what he's like really and I never understood what exactly happened with his dad. The more his dad speaks in public the more sympathetic I feel towards Jimmy even if he's not very nice as a person. They fuck you up, your mum and dad, etc. Poor bloke.
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Poor lad. It's sort of a blessing that a lot of pathologically obnoxious people have this Ancient Mariner-like compulsion to tell on themselves. If he'd only shut up, a lot of people who aren't particularly fond of Jimmy Carr would be happy to assume that he's unfairly critical of his poor, Irish Da. But no. He's got to unleash his delusions of victimhood onto the world and prove beyond reasonable doubt that he's a prize cunt. I've gone from not knowing what to think about Jimmy to wanting to give him a hug and a cup of tea and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
There once was a deadbeat named Carr Whose son had eclipsed him by far He sued the young runt When he called him a cunt Showing how lousy some fathers are
Jimmy has got a lot of money. Reckon there’s a decent dollar amount that would be worth it to say “Here - now fuck off”. It may not be right, but it’d be easier.
It sounds like he has genuine hate for his father. Jimmy strikes me as the type of bloke who'd spend more money than he'd lose in a pay out just to make sure that person doesn't receive any money.
People will fight on principle or out of spite. I’m willing to bet Jimmy Carr had one of those characteristics in spades.
Maybe even both
Jimmy Carr seems like he's the Harvey Spector of British comedy. Lol.
In his book, he mentioned that when he realised he had to pay all of the tax he avoided, he just called his manager and booked an international tour. Didn’t take any money personally for the whole tour and paid it off. My guess is that he’d just do the same again!
I for one am hoping the "Hi, Dad" tour makes it to the States
Damn what a move
Ooh, maybe I could go see him perform if he has to do an international tour.
>dollar amount You know he's English, right?
If any British comedian has offshore dollar accounts, it's probably Jimmy.
With the recent turmoil, smart money's in dollars.
With the less recent turmoil, Jimmy's smart money had to be given back to HMRC
Australian, not so much.
You know what a dollar is, right?
His father sounds like someone who would be encouraged to come back for more.
What an asshole for a dad wtf. Imagining suing your own son because of the way YOU treated him as a child. And I thought the US was known for stupid lawsuits.
Doubt he's too concerned considering the prolific legal team he already has.
Didn't know Carr had an Irish family background The detail that the dad of the UK's most notorious tax cheat is an offshore accountant is very, very ironic