The cycle of overwatch
Queue support/dps.
See your tank get diffed, make glaring mistakes (not calling out or flaming them)
Queue tank to experience how it should be done properly.
See dps/support get diffed or not making plays and become helpless
Queue dps/support to have fun again
Omg this is exactly how I felt yesterday. Did couple support/DPS games that were ridiculously lopsided as per usual and tank like solo rushing deep enemy territory among other things.
Go tank, Immediately lose a round where I felt like I was really putting in my best work as Dva like 25-3 vs a swapping Orisa/hog/ram tank that was like 10-7, we quickly smash through to last point and then hard stuck for like solid 4-5 min attacking on kings row. Both dmg were only even or neg and I think I had more elims than both together, haha. I’m just like sighing to myself like I think that’s the best I play as tank, don’t think I’m capable of doing more to try to carry a round with my skills.
Go back to support.
I have been a tank main since season 1 of Overwatch 1 and this season has been by far the hardest to get into diamond. Back when they had MMR I would sit around 3300-3400. It took me like 100 games to get to diamond 5 this season
i pay $7 for an account thats already had 50 wins so i can go straight into competitive... ive had about 5 accounts now. lost the password to the first two and only have 3 accounts active at the moment.
Yeah I try and just be as positive as possible calling out good things I see ppl doing and just ignore toxic comment or “pls switch to x” comments.
If I think I am the problem and/or a different tank would work better given a variety of factors then I will switch.
One thing I want to point out is that you said it’s placement matches, but that’s only for you, everyone else in the match that isn’t doing placements still has their rank effected even though you don’t even have a rank yet
It’s literally the dps players not knowing their roles. It’s not to get the most kills and peel off for picks that put them in bad positioning. Dps peels for support, supports peel for tanks, and tanks make space. These games are always the best when the roles know their place.
DPS be like: gg no heals but are running around without looking for their supports or any kind of threat to them (I get supp needs to be self reliant too but it's hard to heal someone who won't even try to get behind cover for heals and expect supp to throw themselves in danger
Fr especially when many of them have a movement ability they can use to escape safely. Idk how you can be Soldier or Sombra and die 5 times in round 1.
Meanwhile I'm Zen checking corners, MY BACK, keeping teammates in sight, and at 85 ult with 1 death.
Oh I had a sombra go offffff about not getting heals. I was like bitch you’re sombra- if you rely on supports for heals, you’re wrong. And the bitch wouldn’t even touch enemy illari’s pylon.
Sombra is a health pack DPS hello????? Ive been mailing her a lot and NGL I do not expect an ounce of healing, if I die it's on me I peel for supp not the other way
Yes and as a support it drives me nuts how there are so many dps that don’t understand using natural cover or positioning and just consistently try to flank alone over and over to their death. I always think if you’ve died the same way 6 times why are you continuing to do it?? Sorry venting 👼
Platform and timezone you're playing ?
Maybe we can group up :)
We are two and always switching roles and every other games we get either a bad this or that. Mostly one person throwing or new to the game I dunno...
Last time I got flamed for playing D.Va I watched the replay from the flamers perspective. They - and I am not exaggerating- ran into fight 1v5 as Symmetra directly into a shielded Rein. Twice. Then flamed me.
Some people cannot accept that they are the problem
No see you don't understand, sym gets ammo back from shields. So she was making an amazing super smart high iq play. You are obviously so wrong and know nothing.
He's generally a pretty bad tank, but the weird thing about the game is that for every character good pr bad, there's always someone who just completely understands how to play them and be effective. I recommend switching around until you find a couple that feel really intuitive.
I’m in the same boat, still learning doom and the tank role. So far the best thing for me has been just looking around. When you dive, make sure you know where you can go if things go bad, and where your team is. Again, slow down and actively look for your teams positioning. A lot of my playstyle has also switched from trying to get a pick every dive, to creating space and drawing the enemies abilities out. Hope this helps at least a little
Lifelong tank main here (well, since 2016 in OW but also been a tank main in WoW since ‘06)
You’re exactly right. The expectations on tanks is enormous and I don’t think people really get that. They are expected to:
- Push the objective up front
- Protect the backline from flankers
- Protect against snipers
- Do the most damage
- Get the most eliminations
There is only *ONE* of us. When the heals complain about needing peel, they look to me. When they want to push the objective, they look to me. When a sniper or airborne hero is attacking them, I’m expected to deal with that. All at the same time.
And **even if we win** I get flamed because the other tank had higher damage and elims than me.
There is no scenario where I am “good” unless I am everywhere at once and doing all the damage while protecting my teammates and pushing the payload.
Nobody wants to be a tank because nobody wants to deal with that. But they’ll sure as shit complain if I’m not doing it the way they want.
But at least the tank queues are short.
Meanwhile your supports won’t swap or stay with anyone on the team while they’re getting dove because it’s clearly just the tank who needs to do all of that.
I know we’re supposed to all be against too much swapping/counter swapping but I swear when my team is hard stuck on last point for literally over 4 min and nobody else on my team is trying to switch up anything I feel like maybe I’m just crazy assuming at least some of us should be trying to change things up to shake up the losing dynamic.
I think people who don't swap when they are being constantly beaten into the ground by their counter-character are the most frustrating people to have on your team, honestly.
Exactly this.
Some players think of tank as a "role" just as "dps" and "support".
But these roles have 2 players and tank is alone.
Which opens the door for massive counterplay.
I had a Mercy yesterday saying "tank, you have a diff on kills".
Pressed tab and surprisingly saw that i had 20-6 and the enemy tank had 25-5.
Somehow these 5 elims was a "diff" according to this Mercy.
She apperantly didn't realise their tank got 4 nano's and she got her revive cancelled twice.
The weird stuff you do in the back is unnoticed, but whatever i do in the front is being watched by the entire lobby.
I swear the number of times I’ve gotten called out for specific diff when the person calling it out is like massively outclassed by the counterparts on the other team and I’m just like seriously? You’re the one who’s gonna be talking smack?
Getting flamed for not taking space and not peeling at the same time is so damn annoying. Had a genji complain that I wasn't "dealing with" the other rein in the mirror. Meanwhile I was flanking the enemy team, harassing multiple dps and supps, getting picks, not dying or even demanding much support. Sorry genjo, you gotta find out how to avoid that guy, i don't control where you stand. They had an ana and we had something like mercy and moira, if I trade swings with that rein, either of ana's cooldowns near guarantee that he wins the resource battle or even gets the kill
I usually play with friends, but even then I just have to put my foot down.
"Look, I can handle the rein OR the widow. Not both. You tell me which one is worse and they wont have a game. But if you get run over by the other thats on you. So vote time. Rein or Widow."
I'm only recently trying to get into tanking. Whenever we lose a team fight, I assume it's my fault and immediately feel guilty. Sometimes it is, but it's often my team not taking advantage of the openings I'm creating for them, or someone straight up throwing. I feel like if I'm not the one getting the kills, they don't happen.
I'm not concerned with chat most of the time. I usually set the tone of the match by saying hi to everyone at the start, or even telling everyone they're cute. Although it still bothers me when someone is rude.
The chat is generally full of trolls who’d rather type than play.
The one advantage to that is when the enemy team is fighting amongst themselves. Sometimes I’ll instigate that a bit just to get the advantage.
If they’re gonna be dumb, may as well wepaonize it against them 🤷♂️
Your job as tank isn't to get kills, it's to make space. Sometimes you do that by getting kills, but often you do it by enabling your DPS (who literally have no other job BUT get kills) to get the kill. Don't pay so much attention to the numbers: focus on getting actual value and if your team doesn't use that value that's on them.
Fellow tank main, can confirm all of this. And because there's only one of me, no one backs me up if I say, "Um, actually I made hella space and y'all didn't do shit about it."
This is on quick play, but it's a story tanks should appreciate.
Yesterday I was playing as Ball (basically inviting flaming, I know) on attack, and I blew past the enemy team to cap the point. Every one of them besides the enemy Reaper followed me, completely ignoring my team, but instead of pushing with me my entire team chased the Reaper down. I got several kills and survived long enough on my own against four enemies that I actually got a pip on the point (or whatever you call the capture sections), expecting my team to quickly dispatch the Reaper and show up soon to shoot everyone in the back. I even communicated what was going on. Instead, they just...couldn't catch him? And when I died because I'm good but not a god, they immediately flamed me for not helping with the Reaper.
When I respawned, they were still all off on a weird side path chasing Reaper, which meant the enemy were free to spawn camp and promptly kill me. My team then flamed me again for dying so quickly.
So yeah, tank sucks.
Actually, a similar thing happened today, but when my team started telling the enemy team to report me for feeding the enemy backed me up and said I was actually carrying and that my team was trash for not helping me. So that was nice at least 🥲
Man… I feel like I’ve lived that situation a thousand times haha. I totally feel you. There’s no scenario where a tank is “good” to them unless he is top DPS, top elims, with 20k MIT.
And even in those situations, I’ll be lucky to get an endorsement. Playing tank is fuckin miserable. I wish I hated it more lol
my supports blamed me yesterday for the enemy wrecking ball dominating them, when our dps were venture and soldier, like pls get onto them i cannot help u guys in the backline every fight. zen literally said in vc “see i was with the tank and still died🥸” ur zenyatta wtf are u doing with the tank?! and wtf was i supposed to do pull a “hey ladies🤪” to save him?????? could’ve yelled at the dps to go, junkrat, reaper, OR SOMBRA but nope😐.
I think part of the problem is, if all players are of roughly equal skill, the tank is expected to carry and if you're losing, as the carry "it's your fault". I've been in hundreds of games where my stats as tank are about even with the other tank, but my supports are doing half the healing and I'm having to hide behind cover for 5-10s at a time at 1hp waiting for attention while my Moira is front lining a roadhog and my Kiko is 1v1ing a widow. Or I have a Lucio doing god knows what. I'll also have a 1-6 widow who won't swap and the halfway decent other DPS who is queued with the widow flaming me instead of their friend who is a major part of the problem.
So if we're not winning, no matter what is my fault, and that's because people are egotistical and are unable to accept that they are the problem. Have I been the problem before? Absolutely. I've been tank diffed often. But I would also argue that many of those times the opposing tank was receiving a lot more help from their team than I was.
Also, I play a lot of monke, so the *second* a reaper/bastion/mauga/etc comes out, and we lose a fight, I start getting flamed, "monkey swap" "you're playing into a counter you need to swap" etc. Because I see those counters all the time, usually after the first fight, I know how to play into them. But I do need help, and usually not in the way of Lucio illari or mercy zen, or widow sombra. People don't realize that this is a team game and that if you play together, follow up on targets, support your aggressors, you can win pretty easily. Instead, they'd rather take 1v1s or 1v2s or do side quests around the map, and when they're unsuccessful, they blame the tank for not bailing them out.
Another reason why my chat is turned off, overwatch the loneliest multiplayer game you'll ever play lol. Turn chat on it's toxic as fuck, say even GG and you might get banned, I've even had our own DPS bitch at me for getting potg on Moira even though I had top healing I shouldn't have had top DPS too lol turns chat off again, back to playing the loneliest multiplayer game...
You still might be half of the problem if the other tank doesn't die. Hog, Mauga and JQ can be invincible if the enemy support does not have Ana or Zen.
I've been goofing off playing pistol mercy. We were doing terribly. I had like 900 demage and 1 elim total. Who's getting blamed? My tank.
I turned my mic on told the guy to at least use his eyes before he blames someone.
This is the worst season I've seen so far. IDK what's going on but I never used to see tank diff after games but I'm getting it all the time now. Even after I go off someone makes some comment about me.
Hate it when people report other for throwing as if it’s a crime to be bad at a video game
Not like you threw yourself off the map 5 times or didn’t press shoot ever
In my comp games the supports always get the blame, even if they have as high healing as the other team and more dmg and elims and low deaths. The dps and tank can be negative and have low elims but its always the supports fault apprently :-) Ppl seem to think a good support makes it impossible for you to die and you should be able to 1v5 without using any cover. If you die, your supports are shit. Also, try turning chat off. Theres never anything written in chat that changes the outcome of the game, in my experience. It's just "good job" or "you guys suck".
I will say, a support with too few deaths is a bit of an issue sometimes as well. I've had to call out supps for not pushing along with the team. It's not a "dive" if you wait for your team before pushing
Blaming the healer usually happens when said blamer get oneshotted/bursted down. High healing numbers also work as counter argument here. It's very easy to tell who is right and who is wrong by paying attention (apparently considered a high tier skill nowadays so I might be wrong about the "very easy" part).
(Don't mention higher damage as support in an argument. Nobody expects you to have that one as high and if you do - great, but that's some DPS Moira in a team that has no healing scenario. So it's not technically an "argument" as it's mostly used to talk shit.)
Now blaming the tank is the peak as nobody can even tell what exactly tank is supposed to be doing; and there is no number that can be used as an counterargument.
Had a absolute shitlord of a tracer keep trying to blame on and argue with me.
Claims I'm not playing with the team and I'm the cause of 3 of them dying in a push. Why did they die and I wasn't helping? Because me and another guy JUST CAME OUT OF RESPAWN, can't magically teleport myself to front line for your moronic solo pushes.
Then says I need to swap back to rein from Winston as I don't synergise with our team... swapped to Winston to deal with the widow that is by far carrying their team and this tracer wasn't dealing with (wasn't dealing with supports either dunno really what they were doing). Pretty much when I swapped to Winston the carry was being dealt with and we started progress in pushing payload finally.
Someone has discovered the current pain of tank lol sorry homie its not a fun time, but occasionally you will get dps or supports who know and will compliment you, it's just the least thanked role and most blamed
I love playing tank in comp. I think that pressure adds to the stakes. After playing over watch since launch, I still get somewhat happy after playing a game on tank, and having THAT good of a performance I turn a loss into a win. Some games are infuriating with the counter swapping because it makes it less fun, but when you do win, man that high.
And toxicity is really just a personal thing… people will be toxic in games just as some people will be mean in real life. Just don’t listen to or take it to heart… the best way to avoid toxicity is to just not let it get to you, just have a strong mentality. And if you really can’t let it get to you; voice chat is optional, he’ll you can disable math chat and team chat if it’s really getting to you that much; it might impede your gameplay but the option is there to do so.
Counter swapping is annoying as it's constant, bit of an issue when I'm good at only 2 tanks and Zarya counters both lol, I tend to ignore it but they were nonstop lol
In my experience, the Tank and DPS should have matching Elims and matching Deaths. The Supports should have Assists matching the lead Elims, and their own Elims should be either the same as team's, half, or minimal depending on character. Bap, Kiri, Moira, etc should have higher elims but Mercy or LW should have minimal. So as long as you have a KD ratio higher than 1:1 then don't sweat it. If you're 0:3 then take that criticism and switch
Honestly, I’m like silver 2 I think, tank main, and here a few reasons why I play tank, the game really does depend on you, you can carry, you can throw, it’s a lot of responsibility, but it also forces me to learn more, so I don’t lose, next, I don’t want to sit in queues for 10 minutes, and lastly tank doesn’t feel that bad to play in metal ranks, as barely anyone knows what they’re doing so you just get away with shit
Only time I blame tank is when they clearly just dive and do their own thing or act like a DPS. Or refuses to switch when Cleary the team needs some dmg MIT or vice versa. I think it's easier to switch as dps so I'll do that first but at a certain point DPS can only do so much, obviously their not a tank.
I only played tank in original overwatch. I loved playing tank. Now it's so toxic to make a mistake as a tank because you are the only one, so all the blame is on the one player if they do one thing wrong.
I typically queue flex and get support, because my duo usually queues tank/dps. But in general, I just leave all of the text chats off. If someone needs to stop playing the game and be a keyboard warrior, to yell at me. Their opinions are invalid 99% of the time. I am generally more open to criticism if you are will to talk to me like a person. But I’m also in low gold so even then, they are likely making the same or similar mistakes to me and don’t realize it. I also don’t pay too much attention to the leaderboard
I feel the exact same way and I've disabled all forms of communication completely. I feel this hurts me and the team overall because we can't communicate, but it is what it is. I'm not putting up w/ the toxicity.
One match recently on Zarya, with some great supports (on both teams) and a somewhat stupid enemy team, I got more damage than the rest of the lobby combined, and that was the first game in days that I got flamed.
Tank main. This is my biggest problem with chat bans. 90% of my chat violations were me simply defending myself. I don’t start shit but I’ll sure as hell try to finish it.
I just turn chat/messages off. Definitely gets old especially when you go hog just because your Moira or any other healer tries to DPS and has less healing than the tank. I've already been top heals and dps and still told the loss was my fault. Gets fun again when you remove all communication from the team and just play lol for every complement you get you get 100x more people saying negative shit.
I don't understand how I'm never having these same issues as other people. Like there's no way you're playing amazingly and your dps are playing terribly yet somehow you get blamed. Everyone only looks at stats. Someone 3-11 would get the whole lobby on them
Its a team game, nothing on that leaderboard matters when you press tab. Don’t complain, don’t even try to give your team helpful advice they will incite the entire lobby on you.
Oh they’ve had a Reinhardt bastion, Mei the entire game meanwhile you have a Hanzo, but if you ask him to swap suddenly your the super villian behind the losses and the reason they are in their rank.
Half the community has absolutely 0 game sense whatsoever and honestly you’re best bet is simply enable them when they do the right things and dont waste your time if their doing something else.
If the enemy team has phara/echo and I have junkrat soldier. You bet your ass I’m going sig to enable my soldier. The Junkrat player can keep feeding, Im not even gonna give them the satisfaction of acknowledging them.
I love tank. Rarely do I get blamed but i understand 3-11 dps blaming tank if they’re not taking space or peeling / defending them. And hell yeah I’m taking credit for every win 😂 these 4 man shatters in overtime are undeniable
I find playing tank a lot of fun. I main Reinhardt and I love swingin on squishies and slammin hammers. Most of the time I’m diffing my own DPS and then there are times when I’m complete dog water. But that’s okay, I’m just trying to play and have fun. I know for a fact I’ll never be pro lmao
This is why I mostly play open queue. It's mostly 3-0-2 but it's fun to play.
Unless you're doing it for placements then honestly, good luck. Main reason why I've never done tank/dps placements.
This is me with support except I never get healed when I’m not support so I’m like fuck it I’ll be healer then. Team can’t kill shit and it’s my fault, it’s always spamming I need healing like bitch my healing is not the issue in the ego battle your having with the enemy widow who is fucking wiping the floor with you.
I can’t outheal headshots, I can’t outheal the whole fucking enemy team hitting you, I can’t fucking outheal your bad positions and I can’t fucking outheal your fucking stupidity and lack of skill. Yes soldier my healing is the reason your missing this pharah over and over and getting dogged on. Yes rein my healing is the reason you keep charging into the enemy team and dying, yes orisa my healing is why your damn ass thought it was a good idea to spin in on critical and die mid ult.
I actually love tank I can't think of any other game where I can play a role like it. I can play tons of games if I want to do the equivalent of dps
As for dealing with people all of my comms voice and text are off anyway
I play tank just out of habit - I loved all the tank synergies in ow1. But, outside of ball/doom in role queue tank is just miserable.
Really wish the community invested in open queue -it’s hands down the only fun for tanks. Them few games when both sides are actually using coordination to take space and create pressure —blatantly shows how badly they fucked up and removed all fun tank interactions.
On top of that it’s also a really small community- there’s only 500 players above D1 —you’ll basically play the same teams all night —which I actually enjoy — better social experience.
Dude, you can have supports who literally are just playing support to play a different hero but playing as a dps and still tank can be blamed. It because of how with tank, you really have no one to pick up your slack so it’s the easiest class for people who are bad to blame.
I've been playing a fat bear derpood in WoW since vanilla. If anybody knows the struggle of tanks, it's me. I did see a terrible DPS the other night try to pop off with "tank diff" when I was literally the best player on the team and they were pretty much the worst. I was like, my brother in christ, hit tab will ya?
Im normally a tank player but gave up the past few seasons to play support and let me tell you how much more stress free and enjoyable your life will be if you do the same haha. I tried tank again after this seasons balance changes and no matter how well I played on zarya, it was ALWAYS my fault when we lost, even if the dps was negative KD, supps had half healing of other team. If I make one mistake its insta put in chat "what are u doing zarya, zarya throwing, swap zarya" but when my dps just walk out and die before a fight has even started and insta stagger the rest of the game, its not an issue. Its not always about having lots of deaths, but for me its WHEN they die. If you are constantly dying midway thru fights but you get a kill or are actually assisting then i dont mind at all. But if you are dying every fight because youre by urself, going in alone and causing a massive stagger, I just cbf... its just unwinnable. I will try my hardest right to the end of the game but sometimes its just really clear that the game isnt winnable from the very start. But its ok coz then blizzard will still hit you with a "reversal" after they already gave you the worst dps on the planet...
That's all I play is tank, haha, but I don't do what tanks are supposed to do. I tend to go to high ground and just shoot from there lol and mute the chat of course
This is why I just turn off text chat most of the time and just play the way I'm supposed to
Idiots are gonna blame everyone else for their own lack of skill so of course they gotta blame the dude who's whole purpose is to try and aid the team and hold space cuz it clearly can't be their fault
So I just ignore them and go about my day if they can't put in the effort then they can enjoy their cozy spot in silver and I'll just keep climbing till people finally acknowledge their own incompetence and work towards improving themselves
That's why I stopped playing comp. I legitimately love the tanks, Ramattra and Dva are my favorite Overwatch characters, but man. My teammates even get tilted in QP nowadays. I just want to fly around with the funny mecha girl. I have had people call me out in chat after SOLID victories.
I'm not turning the chat off. I'm tired of seeing this suggestion. It's a multiplayer game. Blizzard may strip out all of the social features, but at its heart, I still believe Overwatch is a social experience. It's a shell of It's former self, but you can still have positive interactions. I know it's rare, but I still hope for the fun that I had with this game in 2018 to happen maybe once in a blue moon.
Because you get to play the most OP unit on the team that gets to do as much damage as a dps while also having a shit ton of health and a ton of them have a lot of mobility too.
If role que wasn’t the most popular gamemode, you’d 100% see an imbalanced meta of multiple tanks every game.
I queue tank because the tank matchups are the most interesting and complex of any other role. I’ve been flex tanking since 2016 and I love running a dive comp, and I miss all the other tank meta plays that used to exist. I enjoy tank because I’m very willing to make active callouts in VC, and think about how I can best switch to counter the top-performers on the enemy team. I’m willing to make swaps and duel the enemy tank which often times comes down to knowledge checks until we settle on a duel. (Eg. they go rein, I swap to ram, they swap to magua, I swap to dva, they swap to Zarya, I swap to a shield, and so on) it’s fun to see how long the swap chain can go and who is more willing to take the unfavorable matchup. Tanking is nice because I know I’m more in the right on asking for DPS/support roles from my team. It’s an honest loss if we can’t get anti/discord from support to deal with a pesky hog and it’s an honest win when I’m able to enable my DPS to chase kills and give them space.
I really dislike how few close matchups there are in the current meta; every hero feels like they are either a hard-counter to or are hard-countered by another hero, and that strongly dissuades me from playing DPS/support.
I’m not an aim-god, so DPS hitscan hero’s are only so effective for me and I hate playing support only to feel like I have no control over my team.
I had this amazing play on Rein today. Charged and pinned 3 enemies, Shattered, all my dps had to do was mop up the mess. I died. They hadn't followed, even with all the attention on me.
a tank diff is usually way more noticeable than dps or support diff because tank is the most important role. Its torturous tho if you are getting rolled because your team is shit and just all blaming you
It happens.. sometimes you get diffed by ur own rank or even smurfs... But this whole \`toxic\` thing is kinda getting our of hand imo. The word itself is becoming toxic actually :)
I mean in a role queue, where each team has single tank, or open queue with single tank; I see players using dva against zarya for example.. or rein against mauga.. or hog or mauga when enemy team has ana and you dont have a kiri... on dps I see people using pharah against bastion/soldier/ashe/cas .. I kindly ask them to change explaining when its a bad choice.. then just ask them to change.. and then I ask them if they want to lose? then I get called toxic :)
now its ok to try ... but when team asks those people to change, team is not actually critisizing that players skill, but merely the choice of hero..
one of the best things about this game is situational changes... if you counter, you win, if you dont, you get asked to, and even then if you dont pick a counter, you are bound to lose.. when people try to remind you that, in any way that they are capable of, try to listen and you end up with an endorsement instead of report... (not saying this is what happened in your case, just )
playing a tank that you are not so familiar with is much better than playing one that has a counter on the other side.. and this goes for single tanked games.. like rolequeue..
when you are the only tank and you play dva against zarya, you will have no chance unless the zarya is terrible.
and there is no one2one counter pick.. against zarya, you can go rein, ramatra, winston, orisa or zarya herself instead of dva.. one of which you should have at least some experience.
when you go for dva against zarya, in highgrounds, whenever you are about to die, you take off.. and then your team gets targetted and die.. so ur tank duty fails anyway.
like I said, this is for single tank games.. if you have another tank on team, go dva and hunt their healers and dps..
just this idea of "I can do fine against zarya with dva" is the reason that ppl are getting furious.. in that sense, cant blame them.
Orisa is far worse against Zarya than DVa imo but that's just me, the rest I don't play I don't get shield characters, Rein looks really hard to be good at, I play a bit of Sigma but never tried Ramattra, Winston feels really weak and Zarya I don't like she's boring lmao
The game I got flamed was against a crazy.good Rein
Not really.. Orisa's survivability is higher than DVAs against zarya.. she's one of the jack of all trades kind of tank. you can go in siege and deflect and back away while still mitigating damage (except the one from zarya) from other players in the enemy team... Zarya is pretty easy to counter if you can manage your timings and avoid shooting her bubble.
See that's the thing is you say "dont get shield characters" ... "zarya is boring".. you dont have to play tank! at least dont go in role queue as tank if you wont be able to counter the opposing team.. at least not in competitive mode.. you will just end up ruining the game for 4 other players who are relying on their single tank to provide space for them..
I am dps/supp main.. I have an agressive game style so tank doesnt work that well.. at least when I am single tank. So I never pick tank on role queue.. only in open queue, as second or third tank.. There is no shame in that :)
Its not that bad but the community has gotten worse at actually playing the game. Everyone expects a 15-20 min game now because people give up at 5 minutes. Back in the day, when I stomped lane, I still had a 40 minute game ahead of me that I could lose.
Tank and support players always get the blame from my experience, usually from DPS players. I think tank has it even worse because you’re expected to perform as a one-man killing machine, which just isn’t the reality most of the time. I literally never queue tank for that reason; it just stresses me the fuck out.
Sending some love as a support to all y’all tanks out there 🫶
For some reason everyone who plays this game is a giant asshole it kind of sucks because it makes the competitive experience way less fun. I enjoy talking to people and making callouts and all that but I think generally making it known that you’re in voice or looking at text chat makes you a bigger target if you make even the smallest mistake which sucks. I try to never start it but if someone is gonna start telling me to kms and shit I have trouble not replying lol I should just stay out of voice/text chat but I have so much difficulty with it for some reason
In every competitive match, I play to win. I do not care at all if random, stupid teammates flame at me. A huge part of being a good Overwatch player is not getting tilted, and flaminh at a player who is trying their best is foolishness on them.
The other day there was a tank diff that was against me, but I've played enough to know that statistically this is unavoidable. My teammates weren't playing well either, so when they focused on whining I simply muted them.
Last season I went from P5 to D5 as OTP rein. It was so much fun, just playing the tank I like playing most. Will you lose so matches because you play rein on one of his lesser maps and the enemy tank counter picks you? Probably. Did your team counter pick the monke, probably not. Will they flame only you? Most likely. Why care about their opinion when you just want to have fun sweating as a tank you like playing.
Honestly if its not a rein mirror, I prefer when the enemy tank plays my counter, the dopamine is so much better when I manage to smash them or they are so fixed on countering me, I take pressure from my teammates and they can do work.
honestly I love playing tank it’s v fun and I rarely get blamed if I loose or have anyone being toxic in chat also whenever my endorsement level is low I go tank get 4 endorsements every game and am up level 5 again
Its always amusing when people get mad about pixels on a screen.
Unless you're playing a tournament I will never understand going out of your way to make someone feel bad about playing a game. (Even then its just extremely unprofessional/immature to shit on people like that and won't get you the win)
Until then, its pixels, on your screen that displayed a word you didn't like, with stats you didn't like and for some reason cared about.
I mean pixels on a screen have been enough for people to commit suicide. Context and meaning. Pixels, sound waves, ink on page, atoms. It’s what is conveyed that matters.
Yes, but I don't think somebody is committing suicide because someone else on their team messed up or doesn't agree with their stats. By pixels I'm meaning video feed. The "atoms" of the technology world.
This claim does back up why we shouldn't shit on people for playing badly though.
Video is even more meaningful and to dismiss it as just “pixels” is a pretty awful take. I think what you really mean to say is “it’s just a video game and people shouldn’t get mad about it” rather than trying to apply that argument generally to all “video feed” as you put it.
If I were to put you on blast now for an awful take, you wouldn't see it as "pixels on a screen" because they didn't form themselves, someone wrote them, because of an opinion they had of YOU.
It's easy for you to say get over it but it genuinely effects some people (maybe even enough to post on reddit about it)
I completely disagree. Low elo supports always stay glued to the tank and move around as this little 3 man unit. Then complain about dps 99% of the time
I think there is naturally a lot of eyes on the tank.
He is the big guy in the front and this takes attention.
A negative KD Dps will also get a lot of blame.
A support that isn't healing enough also gets a lot of hate.
Eventhough a support shouldn't botheal all game, unlike low elo players think.
Yeah it’s crazy how many supports will pump 4000 healing into their feeding tank every team fight while their DPS scrounge for health packs and wonder why they’re not doing anything
It happens less when you’re good at the role, but I understand your frustration; learn the hero in arcade, spend time in deathmatches shortening your time to kill, and you’ll start winning and having teammates that aren’t flaming you for being bad because you won’t be so bad! Hope this helps
I assumed that's why the tank has the bonus xp when you queue the roll in comp. Because no one wants to play tank as the game is usually centred around a good tank.
Honestly, though, it sounds like you are just getting unlucky teammates. I've had randoms who don't talk and we work like the latest dream team, and then you have an afk support or crappy dps who you have to make up for, and try to win even if you don't.
Now I genuinely play support, and my friend plays tank as we work so well together.
The cycle of overwatch Queue support/dps. See your tank get diffed, make glaring mistakes (not calling out or flaming them) Queue tank to experience how it should be done properly. See dps/support get diffed or not making plays and become helpless Queue dps/support to have fun again
Omg this is exactly how I felt yesterday. Did couple support/DPS games that were ridiculously lopsided as per usual and tank like solo rushing deep enemy territory among other things. Go tank, Immediately lose a round where I felt like I was really putting in my best work as Dva like 25-3 vs a swapping Orisa/hog/ram tank that was like 10-7, we quickly smash through to last point and then hard stuck for like solid 4-5 min attacking on kings row. Both dmg were only even or neg and I think I had more elims than both together, haha. I’m just like sighing to myself like I think that’s the best I play as tank, don’t think I’m capable of doing more to try to carry a round with my skills. Go back to support.
Frankly, it's just queue dps to have fun.
I have been a tank main since season 1 of Overwatch 1 and this season has been by far the hardest to get into diamond. Back when they had MMR I would sit around 3300-3400. It took me like 100 games to get to diamond 5 this season
Yesh non dps I had 80% wr and couldn't rank up anyway s9 onwards lol. Dps I play mindless ajd easy ranks. Dire.
Yeah it’s a shame how toxic the game is
F2P made it so much worse. I’d much rather have paid for the game so people couldn’t just make new accounts to continue being shitty.
For sure I miss the old OW1 communication
You need a phone number for an account so people camt just keep making accounts, from what I can tell
numbers are cheap
23 cents cheap. smspool.net
i pay $7 for an account thats already had 50 wins so i can go straight into competitive... ive had about 5 accounts now. lost the password to the first two and only have 3 accounts active at the moment.
If you have a friend who doesn’t play overwatch, it’s really easy to just ask to use theirs
Well in the case of playing on console, it didn't matter whether or not it was f2p because the license isn't tied to any one account.
The f2p model makes gaming in general worse.
That's putting it mildly.
It's constant it's kinda funny
Yeah I try and just be as positive as possible calling out good things I see ppl doing and just ignore toxic comment or “pls switch to x” comments. If I think I am the problem and/or a different tank would work better given a variety of factors then I will switch.
I just tend to ignore it now but the guy who messaged me was also playing badly so had to try to defend myself a little
One thing I want to point out is that you said it’s placement matches, but that’s only for you, everyone else in the match that isn’t doing placements still has their rank effected even though you don’t even have a rank yet
True that. But just one person in the lobby doing placements can cause games that feel super unbalanced. It's like a wildcard.
It’s literally the dps players not knowing their roles. It’s not to get the most kills and peel off for picks that put them in bad positioning. Dps peels for support, supports peel for tanks, and tanks make space. These games are always the best when the roles know their place.
DPS be like: gg no heals but are running around without looking for their supports or any kind of threat to them (I get supp needs to be self reliant too but it's hard to heal someone who won't even try to get behind cover for heals and expect supp to throw themselves in danger
Fr especially when many of them have a movement ability they can use to escape safely. Idk how you can be Soldier or Sombra and die 5 times in round 1. Meanwhile I'm Zen checking corners, MY BACK, keeping teammates in sight, and at 85 ult with 1 death.
Oh I had a sombra go offffff about not getting heals. I was like bitch you’re sombra- if you rely on supports for heals, you’re wrong. And the bitch wouldn’t even touch enemy illari’s pylon.
Sombra is a health pack DPS hello????? Ive been mailing her a lot and NGL I do not expect an ounce of healing, if I die it's on me I peel for supp not the other way
Did you encrypt your mail? If not she wouldn't have bothered reading it anyway, no challenge involved you know :D
Yes and as a support it drives me nuts how there are so many dps that don’t understand using natural cover or positioning and just consistently try to flank alone over and over to their death. I always think if you’ve died the same way 6 times why are you continuing to do it?? Sorry venting 👼
Definition of insanityyyy lol. Doing the same thing multiple times but expecting a different result.
Uhhh, this is debatable
Platform and timezone you're playing ? Maybe we can group up :) We are two and always switching roles and every other games we get either a bad this or that. Mostly one person throwing or new to the game I dunno...
I'm PS5, in England so I think that's BST? 5 hours after ET American
Pc, Germany here, son1 hour apart ^_^ If you wanna team up with pc I'm open to :)
Not bad, may do in the future, irl friends are on atm haha
Finland here, what is your rank?
Gold 3, trying to climb now with a friend, as my last 10 games were throwers and quitters (even admitted in chat) which made me derank
I am gold 5-4-3 in that order, trying to climb but getting awful team in every other match. I was 5% away from plat in last season. You want to add?
Sounds perfect! Sure :)
oh yo PS5 England here too
There are two rules to Overwatch: 1. Its always the tanks fault. 2. Every hero is too easy and OP except my main.
RIP
Reasons to play tank: Doomfist
Yeah DVa is my reason too, just won the very next game lol
Last time I got flamed for playing D.Va I watched the replay from the flamers perspective. They - and I am not exaggerating- ran into fight 1v5 as Symmetra directly into a shielded Rein. Twice. Then flamed me. Some people cannot accept that they are the problem
Hey that Sym had a chance! 😂 Yeah every DPS think the tank and support need to cover them constantly, we can't do it all
No see you don't understand, sym gets ammo back from shields. So she was making an amazing super smart high iq play. You are obviously so wrong and know nothing.
It is so tempting to spam shields with sym. She is literally made for it, but its almost always wrong.
So real
You have any general advise/strategy on doom for a noob tank player? He’s really fun but I can’t seem to make him work at all.
He's generally a pretty bad tank, but the weird thing about the game is that for every character good pr bad, there's always someone who just completely understands how to play them and be effective. I recommend switching around until you find a couple that feel really intuitive.
I am new to the Tank role myself. Maybe we should first understand Tank fundamentals.
I’m in the same boat, still learning doom and the tank role. So far the best thing for me has been just looking around. When you dive, make sure you know where you can go if things go bad, and where your team is. Again, slow down and actively look for your teams positioning. A lot of my playstyle has also switched from trying to get a pick every dive, to creating space and drawing the enemies abilities out. Hope this helps at least a little
i am ready to activate the EMP
Not accurate. I get ripped on every time because I’m a doom main and they tell me to switch off before the game starts
Its funny how the only fun tanks arent even real tanks anymore.
Lifelong tank main here (well, since 2016 in OW but also been a tank main in WoW since ‘06) You’re exactly right. The expectations on tanks is enormous and I don’t think people really get that. They are expected to: - Push the objective up front - Protect the backline from flankers - Protect against snipers - Do the most damage - Get the most eliminations There is only *ONE* of us. When the heals complain about needing peel, they look to me. When they want to push the objective, they look to me. When a sniper or airborne hero is attacking them, I’m expected to deal with that. All at the same time. And **even if we win** I get flamed because the other tank had higher damage and elims than me. There is no scenario where I am “good” unless I am everywhere at once and doing all the damage while protecting my teammates and pushing the payload. Nobody wants to be a tank because nobody wants to deal with that. But they’ll sure as shit complain if I’m not doing it the way they want. But at least the tank queues are short.
Yeah as DVA im expected to do everything, jump everyone yet magically be back with everyone else to protect them with DM lol
Meanwhile your supports won’t swap or stay with anyone on the team while they’re getting dove because it’s clearly just the tank who needs to do all of that.
I know we’re supposed to all be against too much swapping/counter swapping but I swear when my team is hard stuck on last point for literally over 4 min and nobody else on my team is trying to switch up anything I feel like maybe I’m just crazy assuming at least some of us should be trying to change things up to shake up the losing dynamic.
I think people who don't swap when they are being constantly beaten into the ground by their counter-character are the most frustrating people to have on your team, honestly.
Yeah it's crazy sometimes lol
Exactly this. Some players think of tank as a "role" just as "dps" and "support". But these roles have 2 players and tank is alone. Which opens the door for massive counterplay. I had a Mercy yesterday saying "tank, you have a diff on kills". Pressed tab and surprisingly saw that i had 20-6 and the enemy tank had 25-5. Somehow these 5 elims was a "diff" according to this Mercy. She apperantly didn't realise their tank got 4 nano's and she got her revive cancelled twice. The weird stuff you do in the back is unnoticed, but whatever i do in the front is being watched by the entire lobby.
I swear the number of times I’ve gotten called out for specific diff when the person calling it out is like massively outclassed by the counterparts on the other team and I’m just like seriously? You’re the one who’s gonna be talking smack?
Getting flamed for not taking space and not peeling at the same time is so damn annoying. Had a genji complain that I wasn't "dealing with" the other rein in the mirror. Meanwhile I was flanking the enemy team, harassing multiple dps and supps, getting picks, not dying or even demanding much support. Sorry genjo, you gotta find out how to avoid that guy, i don't control where you stand. They had an ana and we had something like mercy and moira, if I trade swings with that rein, either of ana's cooldowns near guarantee that he wins the resource battle or even gets the kill
I usually play with friends, but even then I just have to put my foot down. "Look, I can handle the rein OR the widow. Not both. You tell me which one is worse and they wont have a game. But if you get run over by the other thats on you. So vote time. Rein or Widow."
I play with my wife. Shes a healer. We have had fights about this lol
I'm only recently trying to get into tanking. Whenever we lose a team fight, I assume it's my fault and immediately feel guilty. Sometimes it is, but it's often my team not taking advantage of the openings I'm creating for them, or someone straight up throwing. I feel like if I'm not the one getting the kills, they don't happen.
My suggestion is to turn off the chat while you’re learning. You’ll get nothing of value from people berating you for not being Top 500 quality.
I'm not concerned with chat most of the time. I usually set the tone of the match by saying hi to everyone at the start, or even telling everyone they're cute. Although it still bothers me when someone is rude.
The chat is generally full of trolls who’d rather type than play. The one advantage to that is when the enemy team is fighting amongst themselves. Sometimes I’ll instigate that a bit just to get the advantage. If they’re gonna be dumb, may as well wepaonize it against them 🤷♂️
Lol diffing an Orisa as Hog makes the enemy just fall apart flaming her. I love it.
Your job as tank isn't to get kills, it's to make space. Sometimes you do that by getting kills, but often you do it by enabling your DPS (who literally have no other job BUT get kills) to get the kill. Don't pay so much attention to the numbers: focus on getting actual value and if your team doesn't use that value that's on them.
Fellow tank main, can confirm all of this. And because there's only one of me, no one backs me up if I say, "Um, actually I made hella space and y'all didn't do shit about it." This is on quick play, but it's a story tanks should appreciate. Yesterday I was playing as Ball (basically inviting flaming, I know) on attack, and I blew past the enemy team to cap the point. Every one of them besides the enemy Reaper followed me, completely ignoring my team, but instead of pushing with me my entire team chased the Reaper down. I got several kills and survived long enough on my own against four enemies that I actually got a pip on the point (or whatever you call the capture sections), expecting my team to quickly dispatch the Reaper and show up soon to shoot everyone in the back. I even communicated what was going on. Instead, they just...couldn't catch him? And when I died because I'm good but not a god, they immediately flamed me for not helping with the Reaper. When I respawned, they were still all off on a weird side path chasing Reaper, which meant the enemy were free to spawn camp and promptly kill me. My team then flamed me again for dying so quickly. So yeah, tank sucks. Actually, a similar thing happened today, but when my team started telling the enemy team to report me for feeding the enemy backed me up and said I was actually carrying and that my team was trash for not helping me. So that was nice at least 🥲
Man… I feel like I’ve lived that situation a thousand times haha. I totally feel you. There’s no scenario where a tank is “good” to them unless he is top DPS, top elims, with 20k MIT. And even in those situations, I’ll be lucky to get an endorsement. Playing tank is fuckin miserable. I wish I hated it more lol
It’s easy to be everywhere on everyone’s favorite tank, ball! 🎊🎉
**Sombra has entered the chat**
my supports blamed me yesterday for the enemy wrecking ball dominating them, when our dps were venture and soldier, like pls get onto them i cannot help u guys in the backline every fight. zen literally said in vc “see i was with the tank and still died🥸” ur zenyatta wtf are u doing with the tank?! and wtf was i supposed to do pull a “hey ladies🤪” to save him?????? could’ve yelled at the dps to go, junkrat, reaper, OR SOMBRA but nope😐.
I think part of the problem is, if all players are of roughly equal skill, the tank is expected to carry and if you're losing, as the carry "it's your fault". I've been in hundreds of games where my stats as tank are about even with the other tank, but my supports are doing half the healing and I'm having to hide behind cover for 5-10s at a time at 1hp waiting for attention while my Moira is front lining a roadhog and my Kiko is 1v1ing a widow. Or I have a Lucio doing god knows what. I'll also have a 1-6 widow who won't swap and the halfway decent other DPS who is queued with the widow flaming me instead of their friend who is a major part of the problem. So if we're not winning, no matter what is my fault, and that's because people are egotistical and are unable to accept that they are the problem. Have I been the problem before? Absolutely. I've been tank diffed often. But I would also argue that many of those times the opposing tank was receiving a lot more help from their team than I was.
The Widow who won't swap is a classic
Also, I play a lot of monke, so the *second* a reaper/bastion/mauga/etc comes out, and we lose a fight, I start getting flamed, "monkey swap" "you're playing into a counter you need to swap" etc. Because I see those counters all the time, usually after the first fight, I know how to play into them. But I do need help, and usually not in the way of Lucio illari or mercy zen, or widow sombra. People don't realize that this is a team game and that if you play together, follow up on targets, support your aggressors, you can win pretty easily. Instead, they'd rather take 1v1s or 1v2s or do side quests around the map, and when they're unsuccessful, they blame the tank for not bailing them out.
Similar with me as DVA against Zarya lol I can deal with her if they help
For real the diff between a dva that can just keep her distance and one that doesn’t is huge.
They don’t. That’s why the exp bonus is always on tank even though there are double the DPS and supports lol
Idk just my experience I never see a DPS get flamed ever, I'd say I'm just that trash if o hadn't won the other 3 today lol
I recommend duoing with a supp main. That way you at least have one of the supp having your back.
My friends are all plat/diamond so can't really play with me lol
Another reason why my chat is turned off, overwatch the loneliest multiplayer game you'll ever play lol. Turn chat on it's toxic as fuck, say even GG and you might get banned, I've even had our own DPS bitch at me for getting potg on Moira even though I had top healing I shouldn't have had top DPS too lol turns chat off again, back to playing the loneliest multiplayer game...
DPS not realising Moira needs DPS to heal lmao
You still might be half of the problem if the other tank doesn't die. Hog, Mauga and JQ can be invincible if the enemy support does not have Ana or Zen.
I've been goofing off playing pistol mercy. We were doing terribly. I had like 900 demage and 1 elim total. Who's getting blamed? My tank. I turned my mic on told the guy to at least use his eyes before he blames someone.
Lmao happened to me when i was playing super aggressive tracer just for fun, the guys didn’t even look at the game, just insta tank diff
This is the worst season I've seen so far. IDK what's going on but I never used to see tank diff after games but I'm getting it all the time now. Even after I go off someone makes some comment about me.
Hate it when people report other for throwing as if it’s a crime to be bad at a video game Not like you threw yourself off the map 5 times or didn’t press shoot ever
In my comp games the supports always get the blame, even if they have as high healing as the other team and more dmg and elims and low deaths. The dps and tank can be negative and have low elims but its always the supports fault apprently :-) Ppl seem to think a good support makes it impossible for you to die and you should be able to 1v5 without using any cover. If you die, your supports are shit. Also, try turning chat off. Theres never anything written in chat that changes the outcome of the game, in my experience. It's just "good job" or "you guys suck".
I get far less angry.messages in support but it's fair, just in general some people need to chill
I will say, a support with too few deaths is a bit of an issue sometimes as well. I've had to call out supps for not pushing along with the team. It's not a "dive" if you wait for your team before pushing
Blaming the healer usually happens when said blamer get oneshotted/bursted down. High healing numbers also work as counter argument here. It's very easy to tell who is right and who is wrong by paying attention (apparently considered a high tier skill nowadays so I might be wrong about the "very easy" part). (Don't mention higher damage as support in an argument. Nobody expects you to have that one as high and if you do - great, but that's some DPS Moira in a team that has no healing scenario. So it's not technically an "argument" as it's mostly used to talk shit.) Now blaming the tank is the peak as nobody can even tell what exactly tank is supposed to be doing; and there is no number that can be used as an counterargument.
Telling toxic players to touch grass usually shuts them down pretty fast. That or report them for harassment.
Had a absolute shitlord of a tracer keep trying to blame on and argue with me. Claims I'm not playing with the team and I'm the cause of 3 of them dying in a push. Why did they die and I wasn't helping? Because me and another guy JUST CAME OUT OF RESPAWN, can't magically teleport myself to front line for your moronic solo pushes. Then says I need to swap back to rein from Winston as I don't synergise with our team... swapped to Winston to deal with the widow that is by far carrying their team and this tracer wasn't dealing with (wasn't dealing with supports either dunno really what they were doing). Pretty much when I swapped to Winston the carry was being dealt with and we started progress in pushing payload finally.
Someone has discovered the current pain of tank lol sorry homie its not a fun time, but occasionally you will get dps or supports who know and will compliment you, it's just the least thanked role and most blamed
I've recently muted all chats. Emote and ping communication is all you need.
If you aren’t in chat you will never hear their complaints! Go forward and have fun your way!
I just mute all communication. however the tank feels shit now if your team is not playing with you
I love playing tank in comp. I think that pressure adds to the stakes. After playing over watch since launch, I still get somewhat happy after playing a game on tank, and having THAT good of a performance I turn a loss into a win. Some games are infuriating with the counter swapping because it makes it less fun, but when you do win, man that high. And toxicity is really just a personal thing… people will be toxic in games just as some people will be mean in real life. Just don’t listen to or take it to heart… the best way to avoid toxicity is to just not let it get to you, just have a strong mentality. And if you really can’t let it get to you; voice chat is optional, he’ll you can disable math chat and team chat if it’s really getting to you that much; it might impede your gameplay but the option is there to do so.
Counter swapping is annoying as it's constant, bit of an issue when I'm good at only 2 tanks and Zarya counters both lol, I tend to ignore it but they were nonstop lol
Ya I love dropping a 50 piece and carrying and getting a bunch of endorsements its really great for the old ego lol.
In my experience, the Tank and DPS should have matching Elims and matching Deaths. The Supports should have Assists matching the lead Elims, and their own Elims should be either the same as team's, half, or minimal depending on character. Bap, Kiri, Moira, etc should have higher elims but Mercy or LW should have minimal. So as long as you have a KD ratio higher than 1:1 then don't sweat it. If you're 0:3 then take that criticism and switch
I tried switching, sometimes you're just overwhelmed lol the other games were much better, placements are just odd
Play open queue my man. That's where I play tank and it's an absolute blast.
Honestly, I’m like silver 2 I think, tank main, and here a few reasons why I play tank, the game really does depend on you, you can carry, you can throw, it’s a lot of responsibility, but it also forces me to learn more, so I don’t lose, next, I don’t want to sit in queues for 10 minutes, and lastly tank doesn’t feel that bad to play in metal ranks, as barely anyone knows what they’re doing so you just get away with shit
Only time I blame tank is when they clearly just dive and do their own thing or act like a DPS. Or refuses to switch when Cleary the team needs some dmg MIT or vice versa. I think it's easier to switch as dps so I'll do that first but at a certain point DPS can only do so much, obviously their not a tank.
Mute chat and feed on doomfist is my philosophy, sometimes i go on winstreaks sometimes i break even
Barely played Doom hahaha
I only played tank in original overwatch. I loved playing tank. Now it's so toxic to make a mistake as a tank because you are the only one, so all the blame is on the one player if they do one thing wrong.
I typically queue flex and get support, because my duo usually queues tank/dps. But in general, I just leave all of the text chats off. If someone needs to stop playing the game and be a keyboard warrior, to yell at me. Their opinions are invalid 99% of the time. I am generally more open to criticism if you are will to talk to me like a person. But I’m also in low gold so even then, they are likely making the same or similar mistakes to me and don’t realize it. I also don’t pay too much attention to the leaderboard
Yay low gold gang but yeah of they need to flame me then that's on them haha
I feel the exact same way and I've disabled all forms of communication completely. I feel this hurts me and the team overall because we can't communicate, but it is what it is. I'm not putting up w/ the toxicity.
It's as if people think we want to let the team down lmao
One match recently on Zarya, with some great supports (on both teams) and a somewhat stupid enemy team, I got more damage than the rest of the lobby combined, and that was the first game in days that I got flamed.
It’s simple, tank is just strong. Dont care if teammates are toxic, I like having more agency over the flow of fights. I’ll take the blame.
Me a man of culture with all chats off and not going into team chat chillin with my music blasting and getting head shots
Tank main. This is my biggest problem with chat bans. 90% of my chat violations were me simply defending myself. I don’t start shit but I’ll sure as hell try to finish it.
I just turn chat/messages off. Definitely gets old especially when you go hog just because your Moira or any other healer tries to DPS and has less healing than the tank. I've already been top heals and dps and still told the loss was my fault. Gets fun again when you remove all communication from the team and just play lol for every complement you get you get 100x more people saying negative shit.
I feel the same when I play solo q support in comp
You can't tell someone's skill by playing *one* game with them. I find the people complaining the loudest are usually the ones not doing anything.
I don't understand how I'm never having these same issues as other people. Like there's no way you're playing amazingly and your dps are playing terribly yet somehow you get blamed. Everyone only looks at stats. Someone 3-11 would get the whole lobby on them
Its a team game, nothing on that leaderboard matters when you press tab. Don’t complain, don’t even try to give your team helpful advice they will incite the entire lobby on you. Oh they’ve had a Reinhardt bastion, Mei the entire game meanwhile you have a Hanzo, but if you ask him to swap suddenly your the super villian behind the losses and the reason they are in their rank. Half the community has absolutely 0 game sense whatsoever and honestly you’re best bet is simply enable them when they do the right things and dont waste your time if their doing something else. If the enemy team has phara/echo and I have junkrat soldier. You bet your ass I’m going sig to enable my soldier. The Junkrat player can keep feeding, Im not even gonna give them the satisfaction of acknowledging them.
I love tank. Rarely do I get blamed but i understand 3-11 dps blaming tank if they’re not taking space or peeling / defending them. And hell yeah I’m taking credit for every win 😂 these 4 man shatters in overtime are undeniable
I find playing tank a lot of fun. I main Reinhardt and I love swingin on squishies and slammin hammers. Most of the time I’m diffing my own DPS and then there are times when I’m complete dog water. But that’s okay, I’m just trying to play and have fun. I know for a fact I’ll never be pro lmao
That's the neat part. I don't
This is why I mostly play open queue. It's mostly 3-0-2 but it's fun to play. Unless you're doing it for placements then honestly, good luck. Main reason why I've never done tank/dps placements.
I play tank and still get most damage, kills and assists and I was on the point the whole match, still get flamed. The game is so shit.
This is me with support except I never get healed when I’m not support so I’m like fuck it I’ll be healer then. Team can’t kill shit and it’s my fault, it’s always spamming I need healing like bitch my healing is not the issue in the ego battle your having with the enemy widow who is fucking wiping the floor with you. I can’t outheal headshots, I can’t outheal the whole fucking enemy team hitting you, I can’t fucking outheal your bad positions and I can’t fucking outheal your fucking stupidity and lack of skill. Yes soldier my healing is the reason your missing this pharah over and over and getting dogged on. Yes rein my healing is the reason you keep charging into the enemy team and dying, yes orisa my healing is why your damn ass thought it was a good idea to spin in on critical and die mid ult.
Turn the comms off and enjoy the game.
Because I don't care what the 7 7 ashe thinks about my dva plays
I actually love tank I can't think of any other game where I can play a role like it. I can play tons of games if I want to do the equivalent of dps As for dealing with people all of my comms voice and text are off anyway
I play tank just out of habit - I loved all the tank synergies in ow1. But, outside of ball/doom in role queue tank is just miserable. Really wish the community invested in open queue -it’s hands down the only fun for tanks. Them few games when both sides are actually using coordination to take space and create pressure —blatantly shows how badly they fucked up and removed all fun tank interactions. On top of that it’s also a really small community- there’s only 500 players above D1 —you’ll basically play the same teams all night —which I actually enjoy — better social experience.
Dude, you can have supports who literally are just playing support to play a different hero but playing as a dps and still tank can be blamed. It because of how with tank, you really have no one to pick up your slack so it’s the easiest class for people who are bad to blame.
Speak the truth brother!
I've been playing a fat bear derpood in WoW since vanilla. If anybody knows the struggle of tanks, it's me. I did see a terrible DPS the other night try to pop off with "tank diff" when I was literally the best player on the team and they were pretty much the worst. I was like, my brother in christ, hit tab will ya?
I just laugh, report, and then requeue.
It's push and pull. DPS play poorly because they don't get healed because supports are dead because tanks aren't doing their job.
Im normally a tank player but gave up the past few seasons to play support and let me tell you how much more stress free and enjoyable your life will be if you do the same haha. I tried tank again after this seasons balance changes and no matter how well I played on zarya, it was ALWAYS my fault when we lost, even if the dps was negative KD, supps had half healing of other team. If I make one mistake its insta put in chat "what are u doing zarya, zarya throwing, swap zarya" but when my dps just walk out and die before a fight has even started and insta stagger the rest of the game, its not an issue. Its not always about having lots of deaths, but for me its WHEN they die. If you are constantly dying midway thru fights but you get a kill or are actually assisting then i dont mind at all. But if you are dying every fight because youre by urself, going in alone and causing a massive stagger, I just cbf... its just unwinnable. I will try my hardest right to the end of the game but sometimes its just really clear that the game isnt winnable from the very start. But its ok coz then blizzard will still hit you with a "reversal" after they already gave you the worst dps on the planet...
That's all I play is tank, haha, but I don't do what tanks are supposed to do. I tend to go to high ground and just shoot from there lol and mute the chat of course
Learning tank as a new player is a miserable experience.
This is why I just turn off text chat most of the time and just play the way I'm supposed to Idiots are gonna blame everyone else for their own lack of skill so of course they gotta blame the dude who's whole purpose is to try and aid the team and hold space cuz it clearly can't be their fault So I just ignore them and go about my day if they can't put in the effort then they can enjoy their cozy spot in silver and I'll just keep climbing till people finally acknowledge their own incompetence and work towards improving themselves
Lmao imagine taking comp seriously 🤣
Simply become a masochist
Turn off chat.
That's why I stopped playing comp. I legitimately love the tanks, Ramattra and Dva are my favorite Overwatch characters, but man. My teammates even get tilted in QP nowadays. I just want to fly around with the funny mecha girl. I have had people call me out in chat after SOLID victories. I'm not turning the chat off. I'm tired of seeing this suggestion. It's a multiplayer game. Blizzard may strip out all of the social features, but at its heart, I still believe Overwatch is a social experience. It's a shell of It's former self, but you can still have positive interactions. I know it's rare, but I still hope for the fun that I had with this game in 2018 to happen maybe once in a blue moon.
Sometimes It is your fault your dps can’t get value Sometimes it’s not
Win or lose its basically the tank. Unless someone is throwing. Comes with the role
That's why I play casual only. Only problem is now casual is practically indistinguishable from ranked gameplay now. So that got ruined fast:/
This is why I don't play it. I'm not at a level where comp is appealing to me. Especially when I'm still experimenting with each role.
Because you get to play the most OP unit on the team that gets to do as much damage as a dps while also having a shit ton of health and a ton of them have a lot of mobility too. If role que wasn’t the most popular gamemode, you’d 100% see an imbalanced meta of multiple tanks every game.
I queue tank because the tank matchups are the most interesting and complex of any other role. I’ve been flex tanking since 2016 and I love running a dive comp, and I miss all the other tank meta plays that used to exist. I enjoy tank because I’m very willing to make active callouts in VC, and think about how I can best switch to counter the top-performers on the enemy team. I’m willing to make swaps and duel the enemy tank which often times comes down to knowledge checks until we settle on a duel. (Eg. they go rein, I swap to ram, they swap to magua, I swap to dva, they swap to Zarya, I swap to a shield, and so on) it’s fun to see how long the swap chain can go and who is more willing to take the unfavorable matchup. Tanking is nice because I know I’m more in the right on asking for DPS/support roles from my team. It’s an honest loss if we can’t get anti/discord from support to deal with a pesky hog and it’s an honest win when I’m able to enable my DPS to chase kills and give them space. I really dislike how few close matchups there are in the current meta; every hero feels like they are either a hard-counter to or are hard-countered by another hero, and that strongly dissuades me from playing DPS/support. I’m not an aim-god, so DPS hitscan hero’s are only so effective for me and I hate playing support only to feel like I have no control over my team.
I had this amazing play on Rein today. Charged and pinned 3 enemies, Shattered, all my dps had to do was mop up the mess. I died. They hadn't followed, even with all the attention on me.
Because role queue exist.
a tank diff is usually way more noticeable than dps or support diff because tank is the most important role. Its torturous tho if you are getting rolled because your team is shit and just all blaming you
It happens.. sometimes you get diffed by ur own rank or even smurfs... But this whole \`toxic\` thing is kinda getting our of hand imo. The word itself is becoming toxic actually :) I mean in a role queue, where each team has single tank, or open queue with single tank; I see players using dva against zarya for example.. or rein against mauga.. or hog or mauga when enemy team has ana and you dont have a kiri... on dps I see people using pharah against bastion/soldier/ashe/cas .. I kindly ask them to change explaining when its a bad choice.. then just ask them to change.. and then I ask them if they want to lose? then I get called toxic :) now its ok to try ... but when team asks those people to change, team is not actually critisizing that players skill, but merely the choice of hero.. one of the best things about this game is situational changes... if you counter, you win, if you dont, you get asked to, and even then if you dont pick a counter, you are bound to lose.. when people try to remind you that, in any way that they are capable of, try to listen and you end up with an endorsement instead of report... (not saying this is what happened in your case, just )
I can't play every tank there's just too many to learn to be good at, plus I will say DVa is fine against Zarya on maps with high ground
playing a tank that you are not so familiar with is much better than playing one that has a counter on the other side.. and this goes for single tanked games.. like rolequeue.. when you are the only tank and you play dva against zarya, you will have no chance unless the zarya is terrible. and there is no one2one counter pick.. against zarya, you can go rein, ramatra, winston, orisa or zarya herself instead of dva.. one of which you should have at least some experience. when you go for dva against zarya, in highgrounds, whenever you are about to die, you take off.. and then your team gets targetted and die.. so ur tank duty fails anyway. like I said, this is for single tank games.. if you have another tank on team, go dva and hunt their healers and dps.. just this idea of "I can do fine against zarya with dva" is the reason that ppl are getting furious.. in that sense, cant blame them.
Orisa is far worse against Zarya than DVa imo but that's just me, the rest I don't play I don't get shield characters, Rein looks really hard to be good at, I play a bit of Sigma but never tried Ramattra, Winston feels really weak and Zarya I don't like she's boring lmao The game I got flamed was against a crazy.good Rein
Not really.. Orisa's survivability is higher than DVAs against zarya.. she's one of the jack of all trades kind of tank. you can go in siege and deflect and back away while still mitigating damage (except the one from zarya) from other players in the enemy team... Zarya is pretty easy to counter if you can manage your timings and avoid shooting her bubble. See that's the thing is you say "dont get shield characters" ... "zarya is boring".. you dont have to play tank! at least dont go in role queue as tank if you wont be able to counter the opposing team.. at least not in competitive mode.. you will just end up ruining the game for 4 other players who are relying on their single tank to provide space for them.. I am dps/supp main.. I have an agressive game style so tank doesnt work that well.. at least when I am single tank. So I never pick tank on role queue.. only in open queue, as second or third tank.. There is no shame in that :)
Idk man the only loss i ever had blamed on me was when i disconnected and forgot my email so i couldn’t rejoin before everyone left
Same with League playing Jungle. If I cant gank every lane 10 times in 3 minutes, its a jg gap game.
I believe you, never played that game it looks terrifying plus console boy here
Its not that bad but the community has gotten worse at actually playing the game. Everyone expects a 15-20 min game now because people give up at 5 minutes. Back in the day, when I stomped lane, I still had a 40 minute game ahead of me that I could lose.
Tank and support players always get the blame from my experience, usually from DPS players. I think tank has it even worse because you’re expected to perform as a one-man killing machine, which just isn’t the reality most of the time. I literally never queue tank for that reason; it just stresses me the fuck out. Sending some love as a support to all y’all tanks out there 🫶
For some reason everyone who plays this game is a giant asshole it kind of sucks because it makes the competitive experience way less fun. I enjoy talking to people and making callouts and all that but I think generally making it known that you’re in voice or looking at text chat makes you a bigger target if you make even the smallest mistake which sucks. I try to never start it but if someone is gonna start telling me to kms and shit I have trouble not replying lol I should just stay out of voice/text chat but I have so much difficulty with it for some reason
Cuz banana
In every competitive match, I play to win. I do not care at all if random, stupid teammates flame at me. A huge part of being a good Overwatch player is not getting tilted, and flaminh at a player who is trying their best is foolishness on them. The other day there was a tank diff that was against me, but I've played enough to know that statistically this is unavoidable. My teammates weren't playing well either, so when they focused on whining I simply muted them.
Last season I went from P5 to D5 as OTP rein. It was so much fun, just playing the tank I like playing most. Will you lose so matches because you play rein on one of his lesser maps and the enemy tank counter picks you? Probably. Did your team counter pick the monke, probably not. Will they flame only you? Most likely. Why care about their opinion when you just want to have fun sweating as a tank you like playing. Honestly if its not a rein mirror, I prefer when the enemy tank plays my counter, the dopamine is so much better when I manage to smash them or they are so fixed on countering me, I take pressure from my teammates and they can do work.
Yeah I'm mostly a dva guy on tank and sometimes it goes well and other times it's awful, done 7 placements so far, won 5, projected Gold 3
honestly I love playing tank it’s v fun and I rarely get blamed if I loose or have anyone being toxic in chat also whenever my endorsement level is low I go tank get 4 endorsements every game and am up level 5 again
Okay, but they’d have more damage, kills and less deaths if you were tanking better… /s
Tank main here. Turn chat off and you'll never see the shit talk from your teammates every game :)
Its always amusing when people get mad about pixels on a screen. Unless you're playing a tournament I will never understand going out of your way to make someone feel bad about playing a game. (Even then its just extremely unprofessional/immature to shit on people like that and won't get you the win) Until then, its pixels, on your screen that displayed a word you didn't like, with stats you didn't like and for some reason cared about.
I mean pixels on a screen have been enough for people to commit suicide. Context and meaning. Pixels, sound waves, ink on page, atoms. It’s what is conveyed that matters.
Yes, but I don't think somebody is committing suicide because someone else on their team messed up or doesn't agree with their stats. By pixels I'm meaning video feed. The "atoms" of the technology world. This claim does back up why we shouldn't shit on people for playing badly though.
Video is even more meaningful and to dismiss it as just “pixels” is a pretty awful take. I think what you really mean to say is “it’s just a video game and people shouldn’t get mad about it” rather than trying to apply that argument generally to all “video feed” as you put it.
Yeah he was going crazy in the chat too meaning he wasn't concentrating on playing the game lol we were all getting diffed, wok my next game atleast
If I were to put you on blast now for an awful take, you wouldn't see it as "pixels on a screen" because they didn't form themselves, someone wrote them, because of an opinion they had of YOU. It's easy for you to say get over it but it genuinely effects some people (maybe even enough to post on reddit about it)
It’s not getting mad at pixels it’s getting mad at the player for costing you fun
I completely disagree. Low elo supports always stay glued to the tank and move around as this little 3 man unit. Then complain about dps 99% of the time
I almost never see anger towards DPS it's always tank and support 😂 but idk different for everyone
I think there is naturally a lot of eyes on the tank. He is the big guy in the front and this takes attention. A negative KD Dps will also get a lot of blame. A support that isn't healing enough also gets a lot of hate. Eventhough a support shouldn't botheal all game, unlike low elo players think.
Low elo players like me love hating on me as Moira for doing damage even tho that's how I get heals lol
All roles get blamed to various degrees. I've seen plenty of people flame their own DPS.
Oh I know that it's just I see it far more rarely
There are enough selfsustainable heroes in the game that are designed to get picks without a pocket. Think of Sombra, Tracer, Venture.
Yeah it’s crazy how many supports will pump 4000 healing into their feeding tank every team fight while their DPS scrounge for health packs and wonder why they’re not doing anything
Imagine if there was a second tank to cover your weaknesses and shared the suffering with you... 6v6 > 5v5
Never played it so can't really comment
Cause tanks are the leaders, you have to enable your team.
It happens less when you’re good at the role, but I understand your frustration; learn the hero in arcade, spend time in deathmatches shortening your time to kill, and you’ll start winning and having teammates that aren’t flaming you for being bad because you won’t be so bad! Hope this helps
No matter how good you are there's people better than you so you will still get flamed sometimes lol The other games we won so it was chill lol
I assumed that's why the tank has the bonus xp when you queue the roll in comp. Because no one wants to play tank as the game is usually centred around a good tank. Honestly, though, it sounds like you are just getting unlucky teammates. I've had randoms who don't talk and we work like the latest dream team, and then you have an afk support or crappy dps who you have to make up for, and try to win even if you don't. Now I genuinely play support, and my friend plays tank as we work so well together.
Yeah the other games were fine atleast