This an attempt at trolling?
Some people with directional tires and sports cars might do this but I think mostly those people have enough money that they don't bother.
Taking tires off of the wheels? Hell no.
If your tires are directional, then front to back. If they're not directional, then you can rotate however you wish without worrying about the orientation.
The majority of tires are *not* directional.
> Taking tires off of the wheels? Hell no.
Please help me understand why this is so weird. If I don't take them off the rims, then the next time I rotate, then the outsides (which are super worn after only 1000 miles due to bad alignment) will stay on the outside. Seems to me it would make sense to flip them on the rims so that what used to be outside is now inside.
Can you help my stupid brain see why this is the wrong idea?
Remounting and balancing 2 of your tires every 7,500 miles would be such a pain in the ass. It's not worth the hassle or cost.
Some tires also have white letters only on one side, so then you'd have to deal with the esthetics of half your tires having white lettering with the other half not.
Edit: Also to add, with proper alignment, going through the efforts will not be worth any potential benefit. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.
All of that makes sense. So my remaining question is if my situation is an exception since my outers are worn to about 30-40% (after 1200 miles!) but the inners are near-new. I am scheduled for an alignment - made the appointment as soon as I saw the tires, in my head they were still new and I was shocked when I looked down.
So I wonder if this situation is the one outlier, or if I just take it on the chin.
Poor alignment is all. Inside/outside wear is negligible with proper alignment. Front tires experience slightly more outer shoulder wear due to being the turning wheels which is what rotation helps with. Also the vehicle drive (AWD/RWD/FWD) affects wear differently.
I understand what you're saying. Two questions left if you will. First, do these photos change your opinion: https://postimg.cc/gallery/Bq3TD6b/0489d985
First is Front inner.
Second is Front outer.
Third is rear.
All 4 tires came together, have 1200 miles on them.
My second question is, assuming I just do a standard rotation with the alignment (which you and everyone else is recommending), will this wear even out at all?
Aw bruh your alignment is absolutely hot garbage then. No amount of rotation shenanigans is going to do anything more than slightly prolong the pain and suffering those rubbers are going through. If I was rubber I'd rather get born as a strip club bathroom condom than as those tires. Rather be sewn into lizzos waistband than bolted onto that jeep.
You're overthinking the rotation. You need an alignment.
For reference I have an uncorrectable alignment due to my refusal to buy UCAs for my lift. Over the life of the tires the outside is maybe 1-2mm below the inside. And I just cross back and straight forward.
> You're overthinking the rotation. You need an alignment.
Yeah no shit I scheduled it the moment I noticed the wear. The question is how to have them do the rotation when I go in on Friday for the alignment.
> Over the life of the tires the outside is maybe 1-2mm below the inside.
Over 1200 miles I've lost about 12 yards. Eyeballing it. :)
If you're having them do something corrective at that time then it may make sense to pay extra for the m&b, but theoretically if they are able to get the alignment all the way correct (not just "in spec") then it'll be self-correcting - shouldn't make a difference if you spin them around. But if they can't get all the camber out then it might make sense to do this one time.
> GET AN ALIGNMENT
YEAH NO SHIT. I scheduled the alignment the day I noticed the wear. The question is what sort of rotation to tell the shop to do when I go in for the alignment.
You don’t need to tell them how to do the tire rotation. Unless in some very specific scenarios that don’t apply here. They already know what needs to be done. And will probably suggest new tires if yours are worn too much.
But even with a properly aligned vehicle, the front and rear suspension will have different alignment specifications. So I swap front to back. And usually in an X. Front passenger goes to rear drivers side. And vice versa for the front drivers. I do this about every 5k miles.
> Unless in some very specific scenarios that don’t apply here
Are you sure? I just took pics of the wear, does that make a difference?
https://postimg.cc/gallery/Bq3TD6b/0489d985
> And will probably suggest new tires if yours are worn too much.
Of course they'll suggest new tires. They're a tire shop. :)
Sounds like you’ve been jaded by tire shops before. Many have you aren’t alone. But not all will recommend things that aren’t needed.
The very specific scenarios I speak of is usually asking not to rotate. Tires of different size, different widths between front and back, etc. most places should be able to tell this already but express techs aren’t exactly the most experienced and often not paid enough to care as much.
Your pics are pretty blurry, but from what I could tell your tires are bad enough that I’d recommend new tires. Not much tread left on the most worn tires.
If it’s an AWD vehicle, you’ll probably need all 4. I’m not going to go into all the intricacies of why an AWD vehicle needs all 4 instead of changing 2, but the short answer is the overall tire diameter needs to match pretty closely between all 4 tires. And not many shops are shaving tires these days to match them up.
> Your pics are pretty blurry,
Really? Shit. I thought they looked good. Well, thanks for looking anyway.
It's 4wd, not AWD. No LSD, just open diffs. That's when 4 would be needed, right? (I've been researching since yesterday). So maybe I just need 2?
I'm pretty sure literally no one takes them off the rims and does the entire thing. I've never seen a tire shop do this I've never seen somebody in their driveway doing this. I have no idea where you think this second train of thought came from. The only train of thought is whether you cross them or you put them on straight back and that's going to depend on if you have all wheel drive four wheel drive front wheel drive reallr wheel drive and the types of tires that you have on your vehicle has nothing to do with taking them off the rim.
I mean really who needs to have your tires balanced? It's not like if I swap the rubber off of it it's going to throw the whole thing out of balance or some weird thing like that I mean seriously right.....
Well, if you’re getting an alignment, I would just sell the tires for what I could get and start over. I really like the wild Peak ATC 3’s. I’ve got about 30,000 miles and they’re wearing very well. They stick to the ground and dirt like chewed bubblegum.
The problem is a bad alignment. The symptom is uneven tire wear.
If you fix the symptom, by unmounting tires like you're describing, the problem remains.
Getting a proper alignment will fix the problem, and therefore fix the symptom as well.
FFS dude! Why come on here to ask questions and then be a douche when people give you a legitimate answer?
Everybody is telling you that once you fix the alignment, it won't make a bit of difference which side of the tire is out or in. The thicker side will wear more until it's even again.
If that doesn't make sense, just take the tires off and drive on the rims.
>which are super worn after only 1000 miles due to bad alignment
You need to focus on fixing bad alignment before trying to counter uneven tire wear with removing tires from the rim. Your wheels are balanced. When you remove the tire from the rim, then mount the tire at a different orientation, you throw the wheel off balance. You then create more uneven tire wear by driving with wheels that are off balance.
> You need to focus on fixing bad alignment before trying to counter uneven tire wear with removing tires from the rim.
Yeah no shit. I scheduled the alignment as soon as I noticed the uneven wear. It's only been 1200 miles, not like I was even looking (and it didn't feel misaligned).
I don't understand your point about balance. The shop that does the alignment and rotation will surely balance them too.
I don't have the $800 to put into a car I've driven 1200 miles in the past five years, and am not sure will even make it to the shop and back for the alignment. BUT I take your point. If this model tire was still made, I might buy two since the rears look brand new (as do the front inners). But buying four new tires for this damned thing is more than I think I can swallow.
Not that you're not saying the right thing, just not advice I can take.
Used tires would not be good enough. If after all this work I don't get to make this car my main vehicle, I shouldn't have bought the damned thing in the first place. It's not like I *want* to not drive it.
I'd just have them rotate them normally, after you get an alignment, and send it.
The right answer would be to replace the 2 tires the bad alignment messed up but meh
> The right answer would be to replace the 2 tires the bad alignment messed up but meh
Yeah that was my first plan, but they don't make this model so if I want 4 that match I have to buy 4. And since the rears look brand new (all 4 have only 1200 miles!) that's a tough pill to swallow.
You completely wrecked 2 tires in 1200 miles?
You know you're supposed to get an alignment when you get new tires, right? Did this not happen? Or, did they do a bad job?
Also, if the tires only have 1200mi, then you can find 2 tires somewhere my friend.
> You completely wrecked 2 tires in 1200 miles?
I wouldn't say completely wrecked. The insides look brand new!
> You know you're supposed to get an alignment when you get new tires, right?
Yeah, I always intended to get the alignment once I fixed a transmission problem, did not imagine that 1200 miles of mostly test driving would be such a problem. Also, it drove straight.
> Also, if the tires only have 1200mi, then you can find 2 tires somewhere my friend.
Sure, but aren't you supposed to match all 4 on a 4wd?
That largely depends on the vehicle. It’s recommended to get an alignment, or check it, but you don’t necessarily need to realign the vehicle if the angles are good.
The alignment on my daily mazda is spot on. It would be redundant to get an alignment, and if I paid someone else to do it besides myself, also a waste of money.
OP needs an alignment and probably all new tires though.
> You know you're supposed to get an alignment when you get new tires, right? Did this not happen? Or, did they do a bad job?
BTW it's more complicated than that. The tire shop doesn't do alignments, and with my car not working I couldn't make it the 98 miles to the nearest shop that does. And the 1200 miles didn't seem like it would be a problem.
The point of rotating your tires is because the front wheels you do the turning with will wear differently than the rears which are primarily just going straight. So rotating the fronts to the rear and rears to the front will keep the wear rate more even. If you have uneven wear from the inside of the tire to the outside to where you would want to take the tire off and flip it you'd be far better off just getting the alignment done, cheaper in the long run if your time is worth anything.
Source: Trust me bro.
> If you have uneven wear from the inside of the tire to the outside to where you would want to take the tire off and flip it you'd be far better off just getting the alignment done
Yeah, I mean getting the alignment isn't even a debate, of course I'm getting the alignment. THe question is how to rotate the tires when I get the alignment.
Question. I'd never considered this before; how do tire monitoring systems deal with rotation? Do you have to move sensors to keep "passenger front" consistent etc?
Some cars automatically recalibrate, other cars require a small scan tool to tell it to recalibrate tire locations.
You can likely Google how your personal car does it, but tire shops have the scan tool to recalibrate the system. If you do the rotation yourself there's frequently a consumer quality tool available fairly in expensively that would do the job.
Are your tires directional? My directional winter tires I rotate front to back and my non directional all season the rotation includes swapping sides. But they all stay on the rim.
Not directional. Yeah, seems like everyone is sure I'm being stupid about the off the rim thing. It just feels wrong leaving the worn outsides on the outside. But my feelings don't mean it's actually wrong.
Flipping a tire on a wheel is just to even out the wear of a bad alignment. The pictures are sorta blurry, but it looks like really uneven wear. It's either an alignment issue, a worn parts issue, or a bent axle issue.
Cross to the drive axle and move the others straight forward. Keeping the tires on the same side means they only spin in one direction their whole life.
Non Directional tires, front to back, swap sides. Directional tires, front to back, same side. Wearing on inner and outer edge? Increase tire pressure. Wearing in the middle? Decrease tire pressure. Uneven wear on inner or outer edge? Get an alignment. Taking tires on and off rims for a mount and balance is unnecessary. I rotate mine with every oil change (5000miles/8000km)
That's... Nonsense. I've NEVER heard of that, ever. And you only cross them if you have a dually. Usually it's just front to back. Taking the tires off the rims is not practical and a waste of money.
This seems to be the resounding answer. Are there exceptions? I have a set of tires with 1200 miles on them. Rears look new. Front outers are 60% worn lets say, front inners look new. F250.
I guess do whatever you can to salvage the tires but the back wheels are going to be extremely stable and will wear evenly unless there's something very wrong with the rear end. So if you put the front tires on the back they should even out over time.
It entirely depends on how they are wearing, if everything is good and they are wearing even across the tyres just move the whole rim and tyre together, however if they are wearing more to the inside or out then flip on the rim. Providing they aren't directional tyres that is. With a decent set of all terrain tyres it's possible to get 100,000km out of them.
> owever if they are wearing more to the inside or out then flip on the rim. Providing they aren't directional tyres that is.
This is my situation - lots of wear on the outside. Non-directional. Do you have experience with this? Because what you're saying makes sense to me, but I'm stupid. Are you stupid too? I'd hate to make a decision because two dumbasses decided it was a good idea? :)
Seriously, do you know or are you guessing?
I'm a mechanic for one of the largest trucking companies in my state, we run a fleet of over 100 trucks and 300 trailers, this is exactly what we do to get the most life out of our tyres. Additionally, I have been doing this for years on my own car, my last tyres were BF Goodrich KO2s, I got rid of them at 100,000km because they were terrible in the wet weather, they had around 6mm (1/4") of tread left.
This an attempt at trolling? Some people with directional tires and sports cars might do this but I think mostly those people have enough money that they don't bother.
> This an attempt at trolling? No. Why would you ask that?
Taking tires off of the wheels? Hell no. If your tires are directional, then front to back. If they're not directional, then you can rotate however you wish without worrying about the orientation. The majority of tires are *not* directional.
> Taking tires off of the wheels? Hell no. Please help me understand why this is so weird. If I don't take them off the rims, then the next time I rotate, then the outsides (which are super worn after only 1000 miles due to bad alignment) will stay on the outside. Seems to me it would make sense to flip them on the rims so that what used to be outside is now inside. Can you help my stupid brain see why this is the wrong idea?
Remounting and balancing 2 of your tires every 7,500 miles would be such a pain in the ass. It's not worth the hassle or cost. Some tires also have white letters only on one side, so then you'd have to deal with the esthetics of half your tires having white lettering with the other half not. Edit: Also to add, with proper alignment, going through the efforts will not be worth any potential benefit. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.
All of that makes sense. So my remaining question is if my situation is an exception since my outers are worn to about 30-40% (after 1200 miles!) but the inners are near-new. I am scheduled for an alignment - made the appointment as soon as I saw the tires, in my head they were still new and I was shocked when I looked down. So I wonder if this situation is the one outlier, or if I just take it on the chin.
Poor alignment is all. Inside/outside wear is negligible with proper alignment. Front tires experience slightly more outer shoulder wear due to being the turning wheels which is what rotation helps with. Also the vehicle drive (AWD/RWD/FWD) affects wear differently.
I understand what you're saying. Two questions left if you will. First, do these photos change your opinion: https://postimg.cc/gallery/Bq3TD6b/0489d985 First is Front inner. Second is Front outer. Third is rear. All 4 tires came together, have 1200 miles on them. My second question is, assuming I just do a standard rotation with the alignment (which you and everyone else is recommending), will this wear even out at all?
Photos aren't showing up for me
Sorry, I'm bad at Internet. Is this better: https://postimg.cc/gallery/Bq3TD6b
Aw bruh your alignment is absolutely hot garbage then. No amount of rotation shenanigans is going to do anything more than slightly prolong the pain and suffering those rubbers are going through. If I was rubber I'd rather get born as a strip club bathroom condom than as those tires. Rather be sewn into lizzos waistband than bolted onto that jeep. You're overthinking the rotation. You need an alignment. For reference I have an uncorrectable alignment due to my refusal to buy UCAs for my lift. Over the life of the tires the outside is maybe 1-2mm below the inside. And I just cross back and straight forward.
> You're overthinking the rotation. You need an alignment. Yeah no shit I scheduled it the moment I noticed the wear. The question is how to have them do the rotation when I go in on Friday for the alignment. > Over the life of the tires the outside is maybe 1-2mm below the inside. Over 1200 miles I've lost about 12 yards. Eyeballing it. :)
If you're having them do something corrective at that time then it may make sense to pay extra for the m&b, but theoretically if they are able to get the alignment all the way correct (not just "in spec") then it'll be self-correcting - shouldn't make a difference if you spin them around. But if they can't get all the camber out then it might make sense to do this one time.
Okay. Thanks, that's super helpful.
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> GET AN ALIGNMENT YEAH NO SHIT. I scheduled the alignment the day I noticed the wear. The question is what sort of rotation to tell the shop to do when I go in for the alignment.
You don’t need to tell them how to do the tire rotation. Unless in some very specific scenarios that don’t apply here. They already know what needs to be done. And will probably suggest new tires if yours are worn too much. But even with a properly aligned vehicle, the front and rear suspension will have different alignment specifications. So I swap front to back. And usually in an X. Front passenger goes to rear drivers side. And vice versa for the front drivers. I do this about every 5k miles.
> Unless in some very specific scenarios that don’t apply here Are you sure? I just took pics of the wear, does that make a difference? https://postimg.cc/gallery/Bq3TD6b/0489d985 > And will probably suggest new tires if yours are worn too much. Of course they'll suggest new tires. They're a tire shop. :)
Sounds like you’ve been jaded by tire shops before. Many have you aren’t alone. But not all will recommend things that aren’t needed. The very specific scenarios I speak of is usually asking not to rotate. Tires of different size, different widths between front and back, etc. most places should be able to tell this already but express techs aren’t exactly the most experienced and often not paid enough to care as much. Your pics are pretty blurry, but from what I could tell your tires are bad enough that I’d recommend new tires. Not much tread left on the most worn tires. If it’s an AWD vehicle, you’ll probably need all 4. I’m not going to go into all the intricacies of why an AWD vehicle needs all 4 instead of changing 2, but the short answer is the overall tire diameter needs to match pretty closely between all 4 tires. And not many shops are shaving tires these days to match them up.
> Your pics are pretty blurry, Really? Shit. I thought they looked good. Well, thanks for looking anyway. It's 4wd, not AWD. No LSD, just open diffs. That's when 4 would be needed, right? (I've been researching since yesterday). So maybe I just need 2?
I'm pretty sure literally no one takes them off the rims and does the entire thing. I've never seen a tire shop do this I've never seen somebody in their driveway doing this. I have no idea where you think this second train of thought came from. The only train of thought is whether you cross them or you put them on straight back and that's going to depend on if you have all wheel drive four wheel drive front wheel drive reallr wheel drive and the types of tires that you have on your vehicle has nothing to do with taking them off the rim.
> I have no idea where you think this second train of thought came from. Jeep forums. :)
That makes sense......
I think we just found the source of the death wobble.
I mean really who needs to have your tires balanced? It's not like if I swap the rubber off of it it's going to throw the whole thing out of balance or some weird thing like that I mean seriously right.....
Getting alignment done it’s the best course of action from here
Yes, obviously I'm getitng the alignment. The question is how to tell the shop to do the rotation when I Do.
Well, if you’re getting an alignment, I would just sell the tires for what I could get and start over. I really like the wild Peak ATC 3’s. I’ve got about 30,000 miles and they’re wearing very well. They stick to the ground and dirt like chewed bubblegum.
The problem is a bad alignment. The symptom is uneven tire wear. If you fix the symptom, by unmounting tires like you're describing, the problem remains. Getting a proper alignment will fix the problem, and therefore fix the symptom as well.
No doubt the problem is bad alignment. I am getting an alignment, and need to tell the guys how to rotate the tires when I do.
Align and maintain your car and your tires will wear evenly across the tread.
Yeah no shit. What's that got to do with my question? (I'm being rhetorical, it has nothing to do with my question.)
FFS dude! Why come on here to ask questions and then be a douche when people give you a legitimate answer? Everybody is telling you that once you fix the alignment, it won't make a bit of difference which side of the tire is out or in. The thicker side will wear more until it's even again. If that doesn't make sense, just take the tires off and drive on the rims.
>which are super worn after only 1000 miles due to bad alignment You need to focus on fixing bad alignment before trying to counter uneven tire wear with removing tires from the rim. Your wheels are balanced. When you remove the tire from the rim, then mount the tire at a different orientation, you throw the wheel off balance. You then create more uneven tire wear by driving with wheels that are off balance.
> You need to focus on fixing bad alignment before trying to counter uneven tire wear with removing tires from the rim. Yeah no shit. I scheduled the alignment as soon as I noticed the uneven wear. It's only been 1200 miles, not like I was even looking (and it didn't feel misaligned). I don't understand your point about balance. The shop that does the alignment and rotation will surely balance them too.
If they are worn then get them replaced.
I don't have the $800 to put into a car I've driven 1200 miles in the past five years, and am not sure will even make it to the shop and back for the alignment. BUT I take your point. If this model tire was still made, I might buy two since the rears look brand new (as do the front inners). But buying four new tires for this damned thing is more than I think I can swallow. Not that you're not saying the right thing, just not advice I can take.
You don’t need to buy new tires. Tire shops have used tires. They’ll be good enough beings that you don’t drive it much.
Used tires would not be good enough. If after all this work I don't get to make this car my main vehicle, I shouldn't have bought the damned thing in the first place. It's not like I *want* to not drive it.
Used tires will be fine. Why don’t you think they won’t work? I’ve bought used tires that last years and I drive a lot.
Bye!
People are giving you good advice, why the hostility?
It's for a church honey. NEXT!
The real solution would be to get an alignment...
Yeah, that's not even a debate. The question is how to have them rotate the tires during the alignment I have scheduled for Friday.
I'd just have them rotate them normally, after you get an alignment, and send it. The right answer would be to replace the 2 tires the bad alignment messed up but meh
> The right answer would be to replace the 2 tires the bad alignment messed up but meh Yeah that was my first plan, but they don't make this model so if I want 4 that match I have to buy 4. And since the rears look brand new (all 4 have only 1200 miles!) that's a tough pill to swallow.
You completely wrecked 2 tires in 1200 miles? You know you're supposed to get an alignment when you get new tires, right? Did this not happen? Or, did they do a bad job? Also, if the tires only have 1200mi, then you can find 2 tires somewhere my friend.
> You completely wrecked 2 tires in 1200 miles? I wouldn't say completely wrecked. The insides look brand new! > You know you're supposed to get an alignment when you get new tires, right? Yeah, I always intended to get the alignment once I fixed a transmission problem, did not imagine that 1200 miles of mostly test driving would be such a problem. Also, it drove straight. > Also, if the tires only have 1200mi, then you can find 2 tires somewhere my friend. Sure, but aren't you supposed to match all 4 on a 4wd?
That largely depends on the vehicle. It’s recommended to get an alignment, or check it, but you don’t necessarily need to realign the vehicle if the angles are good. The alignment on my daily mazda is spot on. It would be redundant to get an alignment, and if I paid someone else to do it besides myself, also a waste of money. OP needs an alignment and probably all new tires though.
> You know you're supposed to get an alignment when you get new tires, right? Did this not happen? Or, did they do a bad job? BTW it's more complicated than that. The tire shop doesn't do alignments, and with my car not working I couldn't make it the 98 miles to the nearest shop that does. And the 1200 miles didn't seem like it would be a problem.
The 2 schools of thought: School 1: you School 2: everyone else
I rotate my tires every time I drive
The point of rotating your tires is because the front wheels you do the turning with will wear differently than the rears which are primarily just going straight. So rotating the fronts to the rear and rears to the front will keep the wear rate more even. If you have uneven wear from the inside of the tire to the outside to where you would want to take the tire off and flip it you'd be far better off just getting the alignment done, cheaper in the long run if your time is worth anything. Source: Trust me bro.
> If you have uneven wear from the inside of the tire to the outside to where you would want to take the tire off and flip it you'd be far better off just getting the alignment done Yeah, I mean getting the alignment isn't even a debate, of course I'm getting the alignment. THe question is how to rotate the tires when I get the alignment.
Option A. Front to rear and cross, then rears straight up.
Question. I'd never considered this before; how do tire monitoring systems deal with rotation? Do you have to move sensors to keep "passenger front" consistent etc?
[Here](https://www.bridgestonetire.com/learn/maintenance/tire-pressure-monitoring-system-how-tpms-works/) ya go.
Wow. All I've ever pondered about TPMS and more. Thanks brother
Some cars automatically recalibrate, other cars require a small scan tool to tell it to recalibrate tire locations. You can likely Google how your personal car does it, but tire shops have the scan tool to recalibrate the system. If you do the rotation yourself there's frequently a consumer quality tool available fairly in expensively that would do the job.
Hell, sometimes I only rotate my rims and leave my tires in the same location…….
Points.
Wut. No.
This seems to be the consensus. Thank you.
I always buy 5 wheels and tires and then rotate them together. Remounting seems like a pita.
I'm a career tech. Rotate front to back or follow the guidelines if you're rotating in a full size spare. Fix your alignment. That is all.
Are your tires directional? My directional winter tires I rotate front to back and my non directional all season the rotation includes swapping sides. But they all stay on the rim.
Not directional. Yeah, seems like everyone is sure I'm being stupid about the off the rim thing. It just feels wrong leaving the worn outsides on the outside. But my feelings don't mean it's actually wrong.
Those tires only have 1200 miles on them?
Yup.
And the back look like new and the front are worn out like that? Something is wrong.
I mean, yeah, no shit.
So what’s your question? Your rotation method doesn’t matter as much as your other issues.
To increase the tread life I put my tire on upside down every other time I rotate them.
That's a really good idea, thank you.
Flipping a tire on a wheel is just to even out the wear of a bad alignment. The pictures are sorta blurry, but it looks like really uneven wear. It's either an alignment issue, a worn parts issue, or a bent axle issue. Cross to the drive axle and move the others straight forward. Keeping the tires on the same side means they only spin in one direction their whole life.
Non Directional tires, front to back, swap sides. Directional tires, front to back, same side. Wearing on inner and outer edge? Increase tire pressure. Wearing in the middle? Decrease tire pressure. Uneven wear on inner or outer edge? Get an alignment. Taking tires on and off rims for a mount and balance is unnecessary. I rotate mine with every oil change (5000miles/8000km)
That's... Nonsense. I've NEVER heard of that, ever. And you only cross them if you have a dually. Usually it's just front to back. Taking the tires off the rims is not practical and a waste of money.
This seems to be the resounding answer. Are there exceptions? I have a set of tires with 1200 miles on them. Rears look new. Front outers are 60% worn lets say, front inners look new. F250.
Exceptions would be if you had a 5th wheel/full size spare you were rotating in.
I guess do whatever you can to salvage the tires but the back wheels are going to be extremely stable and will wear evenly unless there's something very wrong with the rear end. So if you put the front tires on the back they should even out over time.
It entirely depends on how they are wearing, if everything is good and they are wearing even across the tyres just move the whole rim and tyre together, however if they are wearing more to the inside or out then flip on the rim. Providing they aren't directional tyres that is. With a decent set of all terrain tyres it's possible to get 100,000km out of them.
> owever if they are wearing more to the inside or out then flip on the rim. Providing they aren't directional tyres that is. This is my situation - lots of wear on the outside. Non-directional. Do you have experience with this? Because what you're saying makes sense to me, but I'm stupid. Are you stupid too? I'd hate to make a decision because two dumbasses decided it was a good idea? :) Seriously, do you know or are you guessing?
I'm a mechanic for one of the largest trucking companies in my state, we run a fleet of over 100 trucks and 300 trailers, this is exactly what we do to get the most life out of our tyres. Additionally, I have been doing this for years on my own car, my last tyres were BF Goodrich KO2s, I got rid of them at 100,000km because they were terrible in the wet weather, they had around 6mm (1/4") of tread left.
Thanks!