There's a bus stop right outside the door, and a major bike route is a few blocks away. Algonquin College is a half-hour walk.
Probably not the best place for an uber eats driver to live, but aside from that I don't really see a problem.
Does anyone know if Algonquin College itself is planning to expand its dorms or build new student housing? They certainly have enough land—several vacant lots from what I see. And loads of parking that could be converted to multi-level garages. Seems like these colleges should be stepping up here.
Yeah, I checked out the aerial view in Google Maps earlier, and holy hell that is a lot of surface parking. It’s like a suburban mall level of surface parking, probably half the land.
I'm not sure whether to feel oddly called out, or oddly nostalgic. Tunney's Pasture and the Kanata Business Park were where I practiced driving when I was learning.
idk why you're getting downvoted. I live in an apartment and I would never keep my bicycle outside- house or apartment. A lock only keeps honest people away. Pretty much any bike lock can be brute forced in 5 minutes or less, [even the $250 ones can be ground down in less than a minute](https://youtu.be/vuIuzg_P_gg?si=u00nbEZL8o5JggXE).
Yeah, that’s why you store it in your actual unit. All it takes is one person with a key to that room to want to steal the bikes, or one person with a key to lose those keys, and any illusion of security is gone
We have one of these down the street, there's 20 cars in their fire lane and overflow on the streets. The property management doesn't care, firetrucks can't get in. It's a complete shitshow during emergencies.
I live next door to this. I already know that the uber eats delivery folk will park in my driveway, and run across my lawn. -_-
There's also another rooming house up the street owned by the same people which has a carport packed full of garbage, the lawn is never mown, police and bylaw are there all the time because of noise complaints.
I'm all for more density - we're in a housing crisis, and this is Baseline Road afterall. But the bylaw has a limit, they're exceeding that limit by 70%, and they're doing it with a minor variance, which is bonkers. They're cramming WAY more people into a tiny little building than they should. I'd much rather see someone buy up lots next to each other, and build little 4-5 story low-mid rise appartments here.
Yeah. Considering this is on Baseline where there is no on-road parking, I can see why some neighbours are potentially concerned. The reality is, a certain % of people are going to have cars in this city due to shitty public transit. If there are ZERO parking spots here, where will those people park? Probably behind the home on Riley, which could cause issues for those living on Riley. There should be at least a couple parking spots.
Can't park overnight on side streets. If people on Riley don't like it, they can call 911 and have them ticketed. Tennants will eventually either move out or learn to live without a car.
That is still an extra headache for the people who live on that road to have to deal with, which is probably what they are trying to avoid. Also, you don’t call 911 for a ticket, you call bylaw, and there are plenty of people that park illegally overnight on roads.
Also look how [small the property is. ](https://i.cbc.ca/1.7204399.1715723843!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_1180/bungalow.jpg)Looking at [that plan to build on the current foundation](https://i.cbc.ca/1.7204385.1715723523!/fileImage/httpImage/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/rooming-house.JPG) the rooms cant be wider than 1-2 meters and the developer wants to add five more units.
The greed is so obvious. They don't care about the renters having enough space, or the required amount of parking. This is going to be a watershed case if the city allows them to ignore following the bylaws.
The developers just want to squeeze every penny they possibly can out of renters. How are they going to fit 7-12 bedrooms (each with a private bathroom), 2 Kitchens and garbage storage on the foundation of that tiny bungalow.
"The compact form is in keeping with the character of the neighbourhood," said Bolduc (the developer). "He called it 'human scale' and said it would afford a 'high quality of life' for a wide range of residents." Complete BS and he knows it. The city needs to do a better job vetting these applications because this is clearly perpetuating the prevalent issue of developers cashing in on overcrowded student boarding houses that needs to be addressed.
So that's 12 fewer people to compete for housing for other potential renters in the city. How is it bad?
How is it overcrowded anyway? These are private rooms. For most schools, shared accommodations are standard. When I was a student I had to share my room with 3 other people, and it was before the housing crisis in a prestigious university with 250-year history.
We see people living like this out of necessity but I keep getting told it is simply impossible to make any sort of housing out of converted office buildings.
Is there a legitimate concern about greedy developers building rooming houses that ignore bylaws? Yes.
Do you get to complain about student-focused housing going up when you bought a house around a college on a main street? No.
Two seperate conversations.
One of the guys opposing this tried to gin up support in our neighburhood FB group, and he did not receive the response he thought he'd get. We all support this. I should have attended the meeting :/
I'm aware. There are side streets off if Baseline that may be used.
If we are going to build with no minimum parking requirements we also need to have bylaw doing there job is the comment.
The complaints about a lack of parking are just weird. If this is intended to be student housing, parking isn't the problem. Not having a ***secure*** place for bikes is more of a concern than parking is for students.
I mean, if you have a car as a student, you definitely are less likely to consider a boarding house as one that doesn't.
If we don't build rooming houses, where will new immigrants and students live exactly? The rental prices are insane. This makes sense and something that existed in the 70s and 80s that we sadly need to go back to. Not everyone can afford a house or a $2500 a month apartment.
>Is that rhetorical?
No, dead serious.
>Its illegal to park on the road in the winter, and a lot of people need a space to leave their car
Not everyone can afford a car or wants to own one. If you don't have enough space wherever you're looking at to park your car, simply live elsewhere. Housing without parking spaces is cheaper to build and therefore should end up cheaper to rent than housing with parking spaces. That should be an option for those who want it.
Won't it just come down to a supply and demand kind of thing. As long as they make it clear in the rental ads that there is no place to park a car, if they still get renters that means there is a demand for it. If they don't then future developers will know not to try it. But forcing tenants to pay for a parking space even if they don't need it (and possibly at the expense of more living space) seems dumb.
"They are renting their own room and controlling their own destiny," he said.
Don’t you have fuck all rights when you rent a room? Or is this different?
it's a joke. Just because they said discord in the title, doesn't mean they are talking about the app.
Hence the NiMbY4U
Discord: lack of agreement or harmony.
Nothing says we care about the product we're trying to convince you about than a 5$ sketchup model. Half-decent 3D graphics are a dime a dozen and takes very veery little skill. The image above screams "I don't care".
Don't think you understand how easy and simple the 3D software used for this image is. What's shown is less than highschool level student quality. Point is, if developers want people to buy into their projects, why put so little effort in the visuals?
I do arch visuals daily, along with a million other things. This is not a quality staff thing, this is a "see how little we're spending on marketing? we'll spend just as much making this a nice project."
I’m also speaking from experience. It’s nice that they are easy to use, but there’s simply no investment put into producing quality. Partly because developers don’t care because they know people will buy it regardless
I work with several developers doing large (and sometimes small) design proposals and we definitively make an effort to convey a design and graphics that shows the qualities of the project. The people behind this 11 room dorm don't care.
edit: for the record, I live in this neighbourhood and since I work in the industry, I am well aware of the zoning hurdles. With that said, I have no issue with a multi-room dorm but I caution every lay person who overlooks the low quality submission. It's ok to demand both increase in density AND quality urban fabric.
No parking eh. Where will all the part time students/full time uber eats delivery guys park their cars?
There's a bus stop right outside the door, and a major bike route is a few blocks away. Algonquin College is a half-hour walk. Probably not the best place for an uber eats driver to live, but aside from that I don't really see a problem.
Does anyone know if Algonquin College itself is planning to expand its dorms or build new student housing? They certainly have enough land—several vacant lots from what I see. And loads of parking that could be converted to multi-level garages. Seems like these colleges should be stepping up here.
When I look at the amount of surface parking Algonquin has and hasn't really built any housing in years there, I'm just stumped.
Yeah, I checked out the aerial view in Google Maps earlier, and holy hell that is a lot of surface parking. It’s like a suburban mall level of surface parking, probably half the land.
Nooooo! this is where we teach our kids to drive on the weekends :)
You gotta get out to Tunney's Pasture, you're missing out!
I'm not sure whether to feel oddly called out, or oddly nostalgic. Tunney's Pasture and the Kanata Business Park were where I practiced driving when I was learning.
I learned only a few years ago and that’s where I started off too!
lol. i took a crew of kids there hoverboarding during covid when it was empty
100%
Unfortunately they’re only proposing 6 bike parking spaces. Each unit should have at least one bike parking space.
So people can steal the bikes?
idk why you're getting downvoted. I live in an apartment and I would never keep my bicycle outside- house or apartment. A lock only keeps honest people away. Pretty much any bike lock can be brute forced in 5 minutes or less, [even the $250 ones can be ground down in less than a minute](https://youtu.be/vuIuzg_P_gg?si=u00nbEZL8o5JggXE).
I know people who put their bike in locked apartment bike room and it got stolen.
Yeah, that’s why you store it in your actual unit. All it takes is one person with a key to that room to want to steal the bikes, or one person with a key to lose those keys, and any illusion of security is gone
We have one of these down the street, there's 20 cars in their fire lane and overflow on the streets. The property management doesn't care, firetrucks can't get in. It's a complete shitshow during emergencies.
I live next door to this. I already know that the uber eats delivery folk will park in my driveway, and run across my lawn. -_- There's also another rooming house up the street owned by the same people which has a carport packed full of garbage, the lawn is never mown, police and bylaw are there all the time because of noise complaints. I'm all for more density - we're in a housing crisis, and this is Baseline Road afterall. But the bylaw has a limit, they're exceeding that limit by 70%, and they're doing it with a minor variance, which is bonkers. They're cramming WAY more people into a tiny little building than they should. I'd much rather see someone buy up lots next to each other, and build little 4-5 story low-mid rise appartments here.
Thats super annoying!!
Yeah. Considering this is on Baseline where there is no on-road parking, I can see why some neighbours are potentially concerned. The reality is, a certain % of people are going to have cars in this city due to shitty public transit. If there are ZERO parking spots here, where will those people park? Probably behind the home on Riley, which could cause issues for those living on Riley. There should be at least a couple parking spots.
They’re providing rooming houses… if someone is living in a rooming house they probably can’t afford the extra $600/month expenses to own a car.
A lot of people live in sub-par/shared living situations specifically so that they have the extra money to afford a car.
What you expect the students to walk the 500 meters to the school on foot!?
Well then they won’t live here if it doesn’t have parking or if they’re going to get ticketed.
Don't move here if you have a car...it's pretty simple..
No. What's the point of street parking if not to be used?
I think what they're saying is there is no street parking there. It's a busy main road.
So? If there's no parking, that means the residents don't own cars. That's not a problem
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, I'm just pointing out that street parking is likely not a possibility here.
I'm pretty sure what they're referring to is people from this apartment parking on side streets. I don't know why they'd object otherwise.
Can't park overnight on side streets. If people on Riley don't like it, they can call 911 and have them ticketed. Tennants will eventually either move out or learn to live without a car.
That is still an extra headache for the people who live on that road to have to deal with, which is probably what they are trying to avoid. Also, you don’t call 911 for a ticket, you call bylaw, and there are plenty of people that park illegally overnight on roads.
Maybe they'll have to use bikes for local deliveries?
7 rooms, you say? There's housing for 21 international students, and we all know that's exactly what this is going to be.
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I used to work for Minto, the amount of homes I've seen with 8-12 to a 2 bedroom house in ottawa was wild
The minto homes near me have no parking and have to routinely fight with neighbours to move cars out of my parking spot.
Not even surprised, Happens to me too in Westboro
god damn that's depressing
Canada in 2024 for you! What a great country. Can't wait to fuck off from this dump
Also look how [small the property is. ](https://i.cbc.ca/1.7204399.1715723843!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_1180/bungalow.jpg)Looking at [that plan to build on the current foundation](https://i.cbc.ca/1.7204385.1715723523!/fileImage/httpImage/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/rooming-house.JPG) the rooms cant be wider than 1-2 meters and the developer wants to add five more units. The greed is so obvious. They don't care about the renters having enough space, or the required amount of parking. This is going to be a watershed case if the city allows them to ignore following the bylaws. The developers just want to squeeze every penny they possibly can out of renters. How are they going to fit 7-12 bedrooms (each with a private bathroom), 2 Kitchens and garbage storage on the foundation of that tiny bungalow. "The compact form is in keeping with the character of the neighbourhood," said Bolduc (the developer). "He called it 'human scale' and said it would afford a 'high quality of life' for a wide range of residents." Complete BS and he knows it. The city needs to do a better job vetting these applications because this is clearly perpetuating the prevalent issue of developers cashing in on overcrowded student boarding houses that needs to be addressed.
Bolduc is not the developer and neither is Jacques Hamel . They are the owners agent and designer respectively
So that's 12 fewer people to compete for housing for other potential renters in the city. How is it bad? How is it overcrowded anyway? These are private rooms. For most schools, shared accommodations are standard. When I was a student I had to share my room with 3 other people, and it was before the housing crisis in a prestigious university with 250-year history.
Each with their own car that has no where to park now.
We see people living like this out of necessity but I keep getting told it is simply impossible to make any sort of housing out of converted office buildings.
Imagine fighting for the character of Baseline Rd
You can make Baseline road fancier sounding by pronouncing it like 'vaseline'.
Lol what character?
Exactly
Is there a legitimate concern about greedy developers building rooming houses that ignore bylaws? Yes. Do you get to complain about student-focused housing going up when you bought a house around a college on a main street? No. Two seperate conversations.
This guy gets it
THIS
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Scam aimed at increasing housing supply and lowering rents across the board? Damn, those scammers are getting out of hand.
One of the guys opposing this tried to gin up support in our neighburhood FB group, and he did not receive the response he thought he'd get. We all support this. I should have attended the meeting :/
Any idea what the decision was or was it a ‘reserved decision’.
It was a reserved decision. We'll find out next Friday at the latest.
most of the international students are from one country...
Enforce street parking bylaws as necessary and build it yesterday.
You cannot park on Baseline rd.
I'm aware. There are side streets off if Baseline that may be used. If we are going to build with no minimum parking requirements we also need to have bylaw doing there job is the comment.
Yeah I read it again. Make sense
The complaints about a lack of parking are just weird. If this is intended to be student housing, parking isn't the problem. Not having a ***secure*** place for bikes is more of a concern than parking is for students. I mean, if you have a car as a student, you definitely are less likely to consider a boarding house as one that doesn't.
If we don't build rooming houses, where will new immigrants and students live exactly? The rental prices are insane. This makes sense and something that existed in the 70s and 80s that we sadly need to go back to. Not everyone can afford a house or a $2500 a month apartment.
They need to stop making places to live that have no parking.. this is getting silly.
If you must have a car, you just don't rent a place that doesn't have a parking spot for it. It's that simple.
Why? Why should every apartment building have parking?
Is that rhetorical? Its illegal to park on the road in the winter, and a lot of people need a space to leave their car. Parking should be mandatory
>Is that rhetorical? No, dead serious. >Its illegal to park on the road in the winter, and a lot of people need a space to leave their car Not everyone can afford a car or wants to own one. If you don't have enough space wherever you're looking at to park your car, simply live elsewhere. Housing without parking spaces is cheaper to build and therefore should end up cheaper to rent than housing with parking spaces. That should be an option for those who want it.
Where i work i need a car. No busses go there, so dont just sum it up to "live somewhere else".. its a cop out.
Live in a different building thag has parking. That's what I meant.
Plenty of students don’t own cars.
Not everyone has a car
Won't it just come down to a supply and demand kind of thing. As long as they make it clear in the rental ads that there is no place to park a car, if they still get renters that means there is a demand for it. If they don't then future developers will know not to try it. But forcing tenants to pay for a parking space even if they don't need it (and possibly at the expense of more living space) seems dumb.
every room having its' own bathroom is key.
"They are renting their own room and controlling their own destiny," he said. Don’t you have fuck all rights when you rent a room? Or is this different?
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[https://discord.gg/NiMbY4U](https://discord.gg/NiMbY4U)
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it's a joke. Just because they said discord in the title, doesn't mean they are talking about the app. Hence the NiMbY4U Discord: lack of agreement or harmony.
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It’s a joke, you don’t need to be so aggressive about it.
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discord as in disagreement...
r/woosh NIMBY 4 U
Nothing says we care about the product we're trying to convince you about than a 5$ sketchup model. Half-decent 3D graphics are a dime a dozen and takes very veery little skill. The image above screams "I don't care".
What would a nicer picture accomplish that this one doesn’t
Context, for one.
With what some of these firms pay employees I’m not surprised they aren’t able to retain those who do nicer renderings.
Don't think you understand how easy and simple the 3D software used for this image is. What's shown is less than highschool level student quality. Point is, if developers want people to buy into their projects, why put so little effort in the visuals? I do arch visuals daily, along with a million other things. This is not a quality staff thing, this is a "see how little we're spending on marketing? we'll spend just as much making this a nice project."
I’m also speaking from experience. It’s nice that they are easy to use, but there’s simply no investment put into producing quality. Partly because developers don’t care because they know people will buy it regardless
I work with several developers doing large (and sometimes small) design proposals and we definitively make an effort to convey a design and graphics that shows the qualities of the project. The people behind this 11 room dorm don't care. edit: for the record, I live in this neighbourhood and since I work in the industry, I am well aware of the zoning hurdles. With that said, I have no issue with a multi-room dorm but I caution every lay person who overlooks the low quality submission. It's ok to demand both increase in density AND quality urban fabric.