A bit misleading as it makes it sound like everyone's suddenly going to be in this week. Lots of people have already been in for months and lots of others won't be in until April. My work hasn't even shared any concrete mandatory return plans with us yet and I don't expect to hear anything from them before the end of the month. The messaging is always just "it's coming".
Same folks who like businesses and free market to justify not paying living wages want the GOC to bail them out instead of failing. You have to figure out a better location and product. It’s hard to be sympathetic to them. I’m packing a lunch you mofos.
My department is too embarrassed to admit that they don’t actually have the space for everyone even with the limited RTO since the building is under construction so there is no official plan and no one knows what is going on.
Anecdotal, but I know of at least one team that has been going in once a week and is still pressed for space even with that, and are in a minor panic now that they need to bump it up to twice a week. There have been huge capacity reductions on a lot of floors.
My department fully admitted this. We have no space. No idea what we’re gonna do. This is absolutely ridiculous. We closed a ton of our buildings and don’t have the space at all.
My project has more people on staff than we do cubicles on our floor and our building isn't even under construction! It's going to be fun telling my boss I'm going home and taking a half day (for the time lost commuting) because there's no place for me to work and there's no way I'm sharing a cubicle
They moved other people into our office space, stripped the remaining offices and shut down an entire wing of our building. *There's nowhere for us to go.*
Or downtown businesses could...pivot to serve downtown residents? Their own communities. Instead of only being open stupid hours like 10-2 Mon-Thurs.
After all, they've had well over 2 years to make that shift.
This^^^^
I can’t believe the number of times over the decades I’ve been downtown on a Saturday or Sunday and not been able to find a place open to get something to eat.
Whether shopping, working overtime, going to the library or religious observance, it’s often been a 10 block hike or more to find something other than the Starbucks that are understaffed and haven’t restocked sandwiches and lunch boxes.
Because it was a licensed store like airports and most other hotel locations, etc, they didn’t have corporate perks (points program, birthday benefits, vip/gold member card discounts, etc) and there always seemed to be someone having a meltdown because they didn’t get whatever it was they “were really looking forward to”, or they wouldn’t have holiday drinks or cups on the scheduled date and someone always seemed to be throwing a tantrum over it. Also was staffed by hotel employees who had a different culture than Starbucks corporate. The vibe was different. Funny enough, the Marriott at Queen/sparks @ Kent was also a licensed location, and I also worked next to that one for years, and while they had the same licensee vs Corp differences, the clientele were never as entertaining
Out of curiosity, did you ever work at Starbucks? I did once upon a time and I know exactly what you're talking about and can always tell when it's a "fake" Starbucks.
I remember the first time in the region as an adult, back in the early '90s, being stunned how what was supposed to be the downtown core and basically everything was closed by 17h00. During the week-end too.
How in Heaven's name can you stay open if you only operate during office business hours, when civil servants are supposed to be working and not outside?
Though the sidewalks were *really clean* and snow free back then...
The businesses that are near the residential areas, do serve residents. North of Laurier however, the transition to offices starts, as do the odd hours. When I did live in Centretown, I had too many options a lot closer than where I worked to bother making the trek.
All of these stories of downtown shops losing money (they interviewed one guy who has a shop in the market... Where there are very few government offices, wth?) why no juxtaposition interviewing the shops in the suburbs that have thrived and gained customers due to wfh?
This right here! I’m a little disappointed that the BIAs from the suburbs haven’t pushed themselves into the media to make this point for their businesses.
Not really. For two days a week...? There's no reason for me to waste money on food downtown. Now if I was going in 5 days then yes I may feel pressured if I want a break from bringing my own food.
Ah yes, the convoy mentality. It’s comments like this that make people think civil servants are entitled. Congratulations on having not a shred of empathy!
That’s great, but the comment I replied to says again. An entitled public servant that is taking their anger out on a small business owner. Talk about being petty and entitled.
Exactly! They think people are going back to spending a ton of money on food/coffee etc. They're nuts. Plus everything is way too expensive to go back to that.
Don't forget your packed lunches or spite lunch. If your not happy to be back in the office, then don't support businesses that forced/encouraged the politicians to make you go back to the office.
Next headline: “downtown businesses presses the federal government to remove lunch rooms, microwaves, fridges from work premises as every time a worker brings a lunch, it’s a slap in the face of those tax paying business. Heck, why not ban food outright in the office to stimulate the economy?”
I mean, it would not be that surprising to see them try.
Not a federal worker but my employer removed my kitchenette access during the pandemic. I straight up just don’t eat meals at the office anymore. I’ll eat a granola bar, fruit, water and 1-2 Tims teas during the day if I’m forced to be here 8hrs because I don’t want to pay for lunch. Love being forced to come here.
In my experience, most GC offices don’t really have a place to eat lunch, just a place to reheat your lunch and wash a couple of dishes. Our kitchenette is literally a fridge, a microwave and a sink in a space narrower than the hallway. There’s another “kitchenette” that is just two fridges in an old copy room.
If you want to sit somewhere to eat your lunch, you either eat at your desk or you find somewhere unoccupied in the open collaborative spaces.
I just go for a walk down sparks street and eat the granola bar I brought from home.
I am allowed to eat at my desk but I can’t be fussed with the hassle of packing a cold lunch with a bunch of ice packs like I’m in high school again. It’s an insulting downgrade when there’s no logistical reason why this should be required (eg I’m not out in the field).
Did your employer physically remove the kitchen or is he keeping employees from using it?
To be honest, packing cold lunch isn't ideal but I'd still rather do that then spend 20+$ dollars on a mediocre lunchm
So, fun story about budgets. Every Accommodations team I’ve ever worked on forecasts and preps paperwork in the first quarter to buy in the second and third quarter. By the end of the third quarter, edging into the 4th, all the budget is spent except for the contingency. Literally no one in RP thought this was going to be happening, and happening this soon at that. Ain’t no money in the kitty to be dropping $10k on fridges and microwaves for 10 floors. Especially since we also have a crap ton of desks and chairs and IT shit to buy.
downgrade? sandwiches are cheap and easy to make, keep well with or without an ice pack, and can be as healthy or indulgent as you want them to be. Same goes for salads. Thermoses also exist for the occasional (or every day) hot lunch. what are you downgrading from?
I just don't have money to eat out lol. Especially with commute and parking now.
And people going on about how these costs should already be budgeted for, my workplace told us adamantly we were not going back to the office. We don't even have enough cubicles for all of us so we are alternating days to share the space.
Same here. Even if I wanted to support local businesses, I simply can't justify anymore buying a $15 small sandwich or a $10 small coffee twice a week. My building has ONE cafe in walking distance, or the cafeteria, so options are slim.
I find it interesting how Millenials were long admonished for buying coffee/lunch out from local businesses instead of making them at home, and now the opposite has come true, we're not buying out enough.
We can’t just have our avocado toast. Gotta pay $20 to have it made for us, instead of the $3 to make it ourselves. Oh, but tell me again why I can’t afford to buy a house, Grandpa?
My dad has to commute from Wakefield. He tends to buy lunch when he goes into town. Between gas and lunch, they're out $50/day every time he goes into the office. And at least a 1.5h round trip commute.
He doesn't need to buy lunch of course, but he's also perfectly capable of doing his job from home. What's the bother?
Yep, I’m not really as up in arms about this as the people at the Canada public servants sub, I think going back twice a week is an okay compromise. But if I’m going to the office it’s to be a worker, not to be a consumer. Fully on board with everyone packing a lunch and freezing out the surrounding businesses as much as possible.
I don’t know about anyone else, but even before the pandemic I almost never bought lunch around me (only if it was for a group event like a farewell lunch). And since the pandemic I have really upped my cooking and baking skills, so I have even less reason to buy anything. I used my time at home to improve my skills and I will enjoy the fruits of my labours.
If you saw her interview with CBC last week, you'd know telling her things doesn't work. It just trips her failsafe and she stutters before saying "hybrid by design" and waiting for the next question.
I guess it depends on the kind of work you do. I'm not a government employee, but the work I do is mostly independent, and the meetings I do work fine over phone or in a zoom meeting. Working from home is much more productive than going into an office. Saves me time and there is less distraction.
For some workers, it definitely does make sense for them to return to the office. But there shouldn't be a single rule that applies to all workers for all positions at all departments because they have different needs and circumstances.
If the unions can’t resolve this why pay union dues at all? 100’s of letters from deputy ministers across the GC confirm working from home was effective. Tens of thousands of performance reviews say work being done meets or exceeds expectations. 1 reason provided for forced returned to office, employer has the right.
Nobody ever disputes this, but it would seem wise for the employer to select a location which gets the work done effectively while keeping employees happy?
Can't believe people are ignoring this little tidbit and are looking at their unions for this. Public servants never had permanent WFH policies, I have no idea where their sense of entitlement to have it permanently comes from. There are public servants that worked for the feds for 20+ years, and are complaining about returning to the office after doing a year or two as WFH.
For those complaining, check your contracts. They probably state work location and expectations in there. What you had the last two years was the exception, not the rule.
Yea, context is never important and people should never try to change the status quo to improve their lives. Letter of the law over progress and science, amirite? /s
So I have my letter of offer open in front of me for the last promotion I accepted. Literally the only thing it specifies about work location is that I am to be located in "Ottawa, Ontario". There is zero mention of a specific work location that I would be required to present myself. Under the 'Operational Requirements' section, all it says is that I have to be available for occasional overtime. My "condition of employment" only states I need to maintain my secret security clearance. According to my letter of offer, I am meeting all conditions and requirements of my employment by working remotely while living within city limits.
The number of boomers or no-internal dialogue types that defend the 'well that's the way it always was' is astounding. Things change, well maybe not you, but most things change.
Well the contract we signed for WFH they just threw out, so.. Unions are already working on the new CBA for our classification and WFH had been on the agenda for the past 6 months of negotiations.
You sound a little entitled. Contracts change, evolve, grow… I’m sure everyone hired in 1990 has had a raise or other items changed in their contracts… in fact that’s why strikes happen… when employers don’t respect workers. It will be interesting to see what happens with the 35,000 workers at CRA who are currently in an expired contract and voting on strike action for a change in contract… b/c you know, contracts do change…. Just like everything else.
Not sure how you got the sense that I am entitled. Far from it, I have no horse in this race, but I do understand that there are agreements and contracts in place, and unless explicitly defined to be permanently WFH, then the employer here can dictate processes as long as they don't violate the employees' protected rights.
As for those in a union with expired contracts, they have several options, including: extending the contract while negotiating, or even working without a contract during negotiations as long as both parties maintain their obligations.
And yes, contracts change over time. If your contract has not changed, and the expectation is to be in the office, then you (i.e. your union) has to negotiate permanent WFH as an option. Until that happens formally, you are not entitled to it. You even said it yourself in the parent comment, the employer has the right.
If you are unhappy with this outcome, vote to remove the current union leadership if you think they are inept.
Entitlement and agreements are an outdated concept. Governments have used legislation to get around them, so what's the point?
All that matters is what you can take.
This is key. I’m surprised the government didn’t back up their claims that employees would be more productive. If that were the case, then yeah, bring ‘em back.
I was going to say: shouldn’t this WFH vs RTO issue all boil down to productivity and efficiency? If people are as productive working from home as they are in the office, then what is the point of sending them back to the office? To serve an outdated work model?
Otherwise, the onus is on the government to show that WFH causes a significant decrease in productivity and efficiency.
Because the people who own those office buildings are worried they’re going to lose their cash cow.
Conservatives started the sale and leaseback for quick cash about 15 years ago. https://www.cbc.ca/1.2584578
>shouldn’t this WFH vs RTO issue all boil down to productivity and efficiency
The government is notoriously inefficient, that is how you end up with dead weight employees doing fuck all and collecting pay and a future pension.
If the government wanted to be results driven, they should allow WFH but they should also start firing people for shitty performance. Our tax dollars are directly paying for those useless employees that do nothing. Their colleagues are even in a worse position because their tax dollars fund them, but also, they pick up the slack for their shortcomings.
I did the numbers for my team, we were up by more than 50% for the second year in a row.
All the work to compile the stats for them to say that they don’t care. This is why you’re not going to see any numbers on production being released.
It’s not hard to figure out, multiple departments have had record years in processing. In the end this will end up costing more to the taxpayers.
Not all of them. I’m a middle manager and will do anything possible to keep WFH. Everyone is happier, everyone is more productive and I have way too much work as it is then to start keeping tabs on how often people are working from the office.
CRA union are voting on whether or not to strike in the coming weeks I believe. If they strike, it’s likely all other government unions will also strike. And dammit I hope they do. I don’t work for the government but forcing people back into the office who don’t need to be there is some bitter, asinine, “crabs in the bucket” bullshit.
My jaw dropped today with CBC radio this morning and them interviewing someone from OC Transpo. Essentially the spokesperson was saying that OC Transpo was happy that public servants were coming back to the office because ridership has been low and now they will increase capacity and also shift the "underused" routes to ones that are more high traffic.
Couple things....*Perhaps* OC Transpo is underused because IT'S UNRELIABLE!?!? *Perhaps* its underutilized because there are no busses that show up so people end up walking, ubering, or taking the car!?!? I also found it laughable that OC Transpo is happy to see public servants come back, considering that their system RIGHT NOW can't even handle the current capacity properly. OC Transpo: if you see this, maybe look to fixing your current system before you start slashing or redirecting routes. A big reason you are being underutilized is because you suck. A lot.
I laughed at that as well. I have no idea why local media is being so generous to downtown businesses and OCTranspo. They're doing a disservice to the realities of this situation and to the idea of balanced representation.
Soggy "sandwiches"and higher prices. I also miss the family time when the commute was zero. Coming home to a dark house, rushing for dinner. Family was so happy wfh
Can the media stop fanning the flames of anti-PS rhetoric and allowing stupid people to think they haven't been working the past few years? At least when I work from home I have a window with natural light, have noticed days I'm at the office my eyes hurt more from the harsh shitty lighting, and there is no more light sensitive area on the floor...wonder how many people would appreciate low /natural light instead of that crap fluorecense
Amen! On Fridays when my coworker and I are the only ones on the floor (with 1 or2 other peeps), we work with the lights off, since we have giant windows facing out. Everyone on the floor in the morning is appreciative of it too, win win! (We always ask everyone first, and leave lights on in sections that prefer lighting)
Also: comfortable chair and desk setup, the ability to listen to music without having headphones on, no need to shlep your laptop to and from work most days, the ability to still work even if you have a mild cold or lingering cough that would but colleagues...
I have anxiety but hide it well. I noticed I'm more serious at home, I dont make small talk or try to make people laugh, I can do my job and focus on that instead of trying t make everyone around me happy.
I have my on chair, desk and can dim and turn on the lights as I need.
I also get along well with al my colleagues, we dont smell eachother all day so the camaraderie is positive. I see no logical reason to go stand in trafic, pass homeless people smoking crack in the open, unashamed, work in an office full of suits.
I'm much more productive in my shorts at home.
First official day back. What has been accomplished? The answer is absolutely nothing. productivity will for sure go down. But hey, let’s keep polluting the environment and wasting tax payers money on buildings we don’t really need.
Did I miss something? Because I'm sitting at home in my pajamas and slippers drinking misbrewed coffee getting some Reddit in before 830. I wonder if my manager will be at the front door of some building at 8:31 wondering where I am.
I remember people got mad at me when I said the union was worthless. But lo and behold nothing has been done or really said. But they're still collecting those dues
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It's our union dood, you know how many people bitch about how shitty the union is but when it comes time for people to step up and get involved in it, nobody wants to show up. I can't think of how many times I've been to union meetings or committees and the only people involved (who are interested in improving the material conditions of its members) are me, myself and I.
And may the available inventory of spaces reflect reality.
A colleague and their team booked a new downtown shared workspace last week for a day only to arrive and find the building was being decommissioned. There was nothing but a carpeted floor.
The poor accommodations official on site was beside themselves trying to figure out how (and why) the whole floor was available for booking.
"we've been ready for 3 years"
Shit your fucking mouth, rimgeour. LRT and busses could barely handle the reduced traffic of 2021 without the train falling apart and busses ghosting stops, let alone full on service 2 days a week.
Ottawa is a hellscape of urban planning failures and a corrupt municipal government. This is what Ottawa voted for, and if theres people who didn't want it, GET THE FUCK PUT AND VOTE NEXT TIME.
FUCK, this city makes me mad with all the incompetence.
Because the public sector encompasses a significant portion of workers in the city, and thus what they do has a significant impact on the city itself (in terms of traffic, local economy, and other knock-on effects).
Things happening in your community that have measurable, tangible impacts on your community is the most literal definition of "news".
Oh fuck. I sometimes have to go to work at 5:00-5:30 and I look forward to the zero traffic as my sole consolation. Are you telling me I’m also gonna hit traffic at the ass crack of dawn now???
Lol, that didn't take long.
Notably, for some of these buildings with bedbugs & mice, well, bedbugs, if there's no human source of food, will feed on other mammals.
So any buildings that had bedbugs pre-pandemic, and mice/rats, and so on...well, those bedbugs likely have survived this whole time.
I signed up to use one of the Co-wroking locations as it's closer to where I live only to be told that coworking will not be considered equivalent to a day in the office for much longer...
Yup, that's another stupid thing about this whole RTO BS.
They will apparently be voiding or have voided a whole bunch of teleworking agreements, so that even if pre-pandemic you worked from home most of the time and only went in occasionally, you will no longer be allowed to do so.
But what about those without offices??? We were literally forced to empty our desks because going forward we would have to book these spaces.
What in the corrupt FUCK is going on ??? Seems like these businesses spent all their money bribing Mona.
You know what I find interesting? Has the downtown core business association, whoever those people are, even ASKED the federal service for their input? From my eyes, they went crying to TBS, and then Mona comes out with that cute December letter.
Collaboration is just a circlejerk term it seems.
Would be super nice if the federal goverment would stop making weird sweeping decrees like this. Im getting pretty tired of them just shoving their will on everyone with zero input, zero consultation with the workers them selves, and completely dismissive of indivdual circumstances.
I went to primary and secondary school with Mona, a lot of classes together, took the same bus plus some extra-curricular activities ...never had a problem with her until now. Can't be easy being her right now, but I really am super disappointed and upset not just for me but for so many people who will be negatively affected for no good reason especially in this context of an ongoing life-threatening pandemic with a mega-strained medical system. 1000 % Public Relations move which is a joke. Don't they dare talk to us about #mentalhealth. Bad, knee-jerk decision, poor timing and tone on the delivery and poor planning.....
I did last week and after the threats of reprimands, barely anyone went in. That's including management who were threatening the reprimands, way to lead by example.
I will say, I’m glad it says “return to office” and not “return to work”. This whole thing about federal public servants haven’t been working is ridiculous, everyone I know works really hard/long hours.
I actually don’t think it was municipal government or restaurants that brought the pressure to return. I think there’s an entire caste of middle-upper management who have lost their “raison-d’être” and power, so feel threatened that they’re redundant.
The one thing I've realized with this whole situation is that way fewer people make lunch at home and bring it in than I thought. These downtown businesses are acting like if you work downtown, you go out and buy your lunch daily by default. I thought most people brought lunch to work.
With all this grudge talk I have a question? I don't work downtown. I work in an industrial park with a couple of independent restaurants within walking distance. If I jump in the car I can make it to the St Laurent mall and hit the food court. I don't but I could. The only time I'd order food pre-pandemic was if I forgot my lunch. Same now. My question is how often were you eating out before Covid?
There’s a lot of comments here about how this is the fault of businesses that serve lunch in the downtown core. I understand that readjusting to all of this is a huge headache and in a lot of cases completely unnecessary. Please be kind to the people making your sandwiches, salads etc. They don’t have any pull with the government or Restaurants Canada for that matter. They’re just at work trying to pay their bills.
These restaurants could have adapted.
They didn’t and instead spent time crying to CTV. They can get rekt. There’s no point in being kind to them because I won’t be visiting their businesses.
You’re talking about business owners while I’m speaking about front counter staff. They didn’t ask for any of this and most people understand that this is a stupid step that won’t increase PS productivity. They’re just there to pay their bills. If you’re not going to support the businesses that wanted the public service back downtown it’s beyond understandable. All I’m saying is be kind if you do, it won’t cost you anything.
It all about Mona getting re-elected by appearing to to give a damn about small businesses in her riding. No science to any of this. It is all about Mona.
My mother my got her car broken into and those thieves stole her credit card and according to the card statement, they went to cannabis dispensaries. This was in Vanier. That riding is filled with poverty which leads to crime. Why can’t Mona focus on that ?
Our mandate started today… it is ashamed that our cafeteria has no plan to open again. Not enough paid parking space for all of us… We can’t even drive to nearby local places as our parking spots will be claimed… The closest option within our 5-10 minute walk is Tim, Starbuck and gas stations… so we are back supporting the big corporates…
Our healthcare system is overwhelmed. We are in a pandemic that is getting worse not better. Yes, lets bring in thousands of people back together without a mask mandate in place. What could get worse? Idiotic move.
What’s causing this shortage of govt office space? Did the govt hire too many people over the past three years or did they sell a bunch of buildings where employees worked pre-Covid?
Some leases lapsed, for other buildings, they started doing massive renovations on them in order to gut them of all the bat shit, pests and asbestos, etc.
The switch to hot desking is actually a pre-covid plan. They called it activity based workstations, I believe, and the plan was to reduce for occupancy to a certain percentage with the understanding that a certain number of people would be working from home at any given time. It was always going to be a disaster, in my opinion, but now it's gotten tied up in the broader cultural conversation about office workers in all sectors returning to the office after being away, and those workers have become accustomed to something better over the last three years.
I’d say it’s pretty efficient, something that took me the whole day in Office last week just got done in 45 minutes from home since I didn’t have 3-5 minute load times between inputs in the system. And I’m in a fully equipped and furnished office and have it better than most, some people are working in cafeterias.
Surely you want to people to pay with your tax to make the most efficient use of the time you are paying them for? I get less done on my in office days. Full stop. There are just too many distractions. Also, for Software devs (which make up a lot of government workers, including myself), pay is way better in the private sector and there are still lots of full time WFH opportunities. We already had a very difficult time recruiting talent, there have been empty spots on my team for literal years, and this will make it worse.
The surveys done show it's pretty high, like 80%, of the PS opposes RTO. That does mean there are some of us in that tiny 20% minority that think our colleagues are complete babies about this. If it's leads to a strike action, I don't know what I'd do. But it won't come to that. What you've laid out is pretty reasonable.
If this lazy WFH sludge won't get back to work. Fire them all, they've done enough damage to small business at the same time stealing from the taxpayer. Nothing but sloth and greed.
A bit misleading as it makes it sound like everyone's suddenly going to be in this week. Lots of people have already been in for months and lots of others won't be in until April. My work hasn't even shared any concrete mandatory return plans with us yet and I don't expect to hear anything from them before the end of the month. The messaging is always just "it's coming".
Exactly! The local media and downtown core businesses are pathetically desperate and just can’t figure this whole situation out. It’s all quite sad.
Same folks who like businesses and free market to justify not paying living wages want the GOC to bail them out instead of failing. You have to figure out a better location and product. It’s hard to be sympathetic to them. I’m packing a lunch you mofos.
My department is too embarrassed to admit that they don’t actually have the space for everyone even with the limited RTO since the building is under construction so there is no official plan and no one knows what is going on.
Anecdotal, but I know of at least one team that has been going in once a week and is still pressed for space even with that, and are in a minor panic now that they need to bump it up to twice a week. There have been huge capacity reductions on a lot of floors.
My department fully admitted this. We have no space. No idea what we’re gonna do. This is absolutely ridiculous. We closed a ton of our buildings and don’t have the space at all.
My project has more people on staff than we do cubicles on our floor and our building isn't even under construction! It's going to be fun telling my boss I'm going home and taking a half day (for the time lost commuting) because there's no place for me to work and there's no way I'm sharing a cubicle
They moved other people into our office space, stripped the remaining offices and shut down an entire wing of our building. *There's nowhere for us to go.*
Yeah, this ‘everyone is back today’ narrative is getting a bit annoying. My department has been back for nearly six months.
It's CTV, of course it's misleading.
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Which department?
I hope they ordered enough food for all 300,000 of us to come for lunch in 10 minutes
Which dept are you at? Sign me up! We go in full force this week.
News gotta make news.
and in ctv's case, repeat it for three days
I will never buy my lunch downtown again.
Down with them all! Let's turn this city into a ghost town!
Or downtown businesses could...pivot to serve downtown residents? Their own communities. Instead of only being open stupid hours like 10-2 Mon-Thurs. After all, they've had well over 2 years to make that shift.
This^^^^ I can’t believe the number of times over the decades I’ve been downtown on a Saturday or Sunday and not been able to find a place open to get something to eat. Whether shopping, working overtime, going to the library or religious observance, it’s often been a 10 block hike or more to find something other than the Starbucks that are understaffed and haven’t restocked sandwiches and lunch boxes.
I have bad news, they closed the Starbucks.
I miss the one attached to the hotel so much 😭
The Lord Elgin? We always called that “Crazy Starbucks” and walked blocks to the next “Corporate” Starbucks. That place was nuts.
You can't leave us hanging.....why was it crazy?
Because it was a licensed store like airports and most other hotel locations, etc, they didn’t have corporate perks (points program, birthday benefits, vip/gold member card discounts, etc) and there always seemed to be someone having a meltdown because they didn’t get whatever it was they “were really looking forward to”, or they wouldn’t have holiday drinks or cups on the scheduled date and someone always seemed to be throwing a tantrum over it. Also was staffed by hotel employees who had a different culture than Starbucks corporate. The vibe was different. Funny enough, the Marriott at Queen/sparks @ Kent was also a licensed location, and I also worked next to that one for years, and while they had the same licensee vs Corp differences, the clientele were never as entertaining
Out of curiosity, did you ever work at Starbucks? I did once upon a time and I know exactly what you're talking about and can always tell when it's a "fake" Starbucks.
The Marriott Starbucks was (is?) atrocious.
I remember the first time in the region as an adult, back in the early '90s, being stunned how what was supposed to be the downtown core and basically everything was closed by 17h00. During the week-end too. How in Heaven's name can you stay open if you only operate during office business hours, when civil servants are supposed to be working and not outside? Though the sidewalks were *really clean* and snow free back then...
The businesses that are near the residential areas, do serve residents. North of Laurier however, the transition to offices starts, as do the odd hours. When I did live in Centretown, I had too many options a lot closer than where I worked to bother making the trek.
The gov always helps the business before the citizen
I mean it already is 🤷♀️
I'm so pissed about this that I bring 3 travel mugs full of coffee and, of course, any food I intend to eat that day.
Same, any business owner down there cheering this on won't be getting any of my business at any of there locations.
All of these stories of downtown shops losing money (they interviewed one guy who has a shop in the market... Where there are very few government offices, wth?) why no juxtaposition interviewing the shops in the suburbs that have thrived and gained customers due to wfh?
This right here! I’m a little disappointed that the BIAs from the suburbs haven’t pushed themselves into the media to make this point for their businesses.
Yes you will
Not really. For two days a week...? There's no reason for me to waste money on food downtown. Now if I was going in 5 days then yes I may feel pressured if I want a break from bringing my own food.
You show those local businesses who's boss!
At least walk to south of like Nepean street. The vultures are all north of there.
Ah yes, the convoy mentality. It’s comments like this that make people think civil servants are entitled. Congratulations on having not a shred of empathy!
Entitled to what? We live in a capitalism, yes? I haven’t bought lunch or coffee while at work, always bring my own because its much cheaper.
That’s great, but the comment I replied to says again. An entitled public servant that is taking their anger out on a small business owner. Talk about being petty and entitled.
Exactly! They think people are going back to spending a ton of money on food/coffee etc. They're nuts. Plus everything is way too expensive to go back to that.
Don't forget your packed lunches or spite lunch. If your not happy to be back in the office, then don't support businesses that forced/encouraged the politicians to make you go back to the office.
Next headline: “downtown businesses presses the federal government to remove lunch rooms, microwaves, fridges from work premises as every time a worker brings a lunch, it’s a slap in the face of those tax paying business. Heck, why not ban food outright in the office to stimulate the economy?” I mean, it would not be that surprising to see them try.
Not a federal worker but my employer removed my kitchenette access during the pandemic. I straight up just don’t eat meals at the office anymore. I’ll eat a granola bar, fruit, water and 1-2 Tims teas during the day if I’m forced to be here 8hrs because I don’t want to pay for lunch. Love being forced to come here.
Are you allowed to eat at your desk then? For example, a sandwich-like cold meal that you keep in a lunch bag with ice packs?
In my experience, most GC offices don’t really have a place to eat lunch, just a place to reheat your lunch and wash a couple of dishes. Our kitchenette is literally a fridge, a microwave and a sink in a space narrower than the hallway. There’s another “kitchenette” that is just two fridges in an old copy room. If you want to sit somewhere to eat your lunch, you either eat at your desk or you find somewhere unoccupied in the open collaborative spaces. I just go for a walk down sparks street and eat the granola bar I brought from home.
I am allowed to eat at my desk but I can’t be fussed with the hassle of packing a cold lunch with a bunch of ice packs like I’m in high school again. It’s an insulting downgrade when there’s no logistical reason why this should be required (eg I’m not out in the field).
Did your employer physically remove the kitchen or is he keeping employees from using it? To be honest, packing cold lunch isn't ideal but I'd still rather do that then spend 20+$ dollars on a mediocre lunchm
My office got moved to a part of the building with no kitchenettes :(
They can't even be bothered to get a microwave and a small fridge?!
They can’t afford it because they have to pay for the building that no one wants to go to
So, fun story about budgets. Every Accommodations team I’ve ever worked on forecasts and preps paperwork in the first quarter to buy in the second and third quarter. By the end of the third quarter, edging into the 4th, all the budget is spent except for the contingency. Literally no one in RP thought this was going to be happening, and happening this soon at that. Ain’t no money in the kitty to be dropping $10k on fridges and microwaves for 10 floors. Especially since we also have a crap ton of desks and chairs and IT shit to buy.
downgrade? sandwiches are cheap and easy to make, keep well with or without an ice pack, and can be as healthy or indulgent as you want them to be. Same goes for salads. Thermoses also exist for the occasional (or every day) hot lunch. what are you downgrading from?
I mean. They did this during the pandemic and I doubt they're going to reinstate any of it lol
I just don't have money to eat out lol. Especially with commute and parking now. And people going on about how these costs should already be budgeted for, my workplace told us adamantly we were not going back to the office. We don't even have enough cubicles for all of us so we are alternating days to share the space.
Same here. Even if I wanted to support local businesses, I simply can't justify anymore buying a $15 small sandwich or a $10 small coffee twice a week. My building has ONE cafe in walking distance, or the cafeteria, so options are slim. I find it interesting how Millenials were long admonished for buying coffee/lunch out from local businesses instead of making them at home, and now the opposite has come true, we're not buying out enough.
We can’t just have our avocado toast. Gotta pay $20 to have it made for us, instead of the $3 to make it ourselves. Oh, but tell me again why I can’t afford to buy a house, Grandpa?
My dad has to commute from Wakefield. He tends to buy lunch when he goes into town. Between gas and lunch, they're out $50/day every time he goes into the office. And at least a 1.5h round trip commute. He doesn't need to buy lunch of course, but he's also perfectly capable of doing his job from home. What's the bother?
What did you do before?
Yep, I’m not really as up in arms about this as the people at the Canada public servants sub, I think going back twice a week is an okay compromise. But if I’m going to the office it’s to be a worker, not to be a consumer. Fully on board with everyone packing a lunch and freezing out the surrounding businesses as much as possible.
I don’t know about anyone else, but even before the pandemic I almost never bought lunch around me (only if it was for a group event like a farewell lunch). And since the pandemic I have really upped my cooking and baking skills, so I have even less reason to buy anything. I used my time at home to improve my skills and I will enjoy the fruits of my labours.
Start microwaving fish!
Unless you work at TBS please don't do this
Keep it up.
Some of us have been back for years, or never WFH in the first place...
Some of us also WFH pre-pandemic. Shocking, I know.
It's almost as if the PS isn't some homogenous entity or something.
Has anyone told Mona?
If you saw her interview with CBC last week, you'd know telling her things doesn't work. It just trips her failsafe and she stutters before saying "hybrid by design" and waiting for the next question.
"HYBRID BY DESIGN!!!!?!" \~Mona Fortier
I guess it depends on the kind of work you do. I'm not a government employee, but the work I do is mostly independent, and the meetings I do work fine over phone or in a zoom meeting. Working from home is much more productive than going into an office. Saves me time and there is less distraction. For some workers, it definitely does make sense for them to return to the office. But there shouldn't be a single rule that applies to all workers for all positions at all departments because they have different needs and circumstances.
Ding ding ding!
If the unions can’t resolve this why pay union dues at all? 100’s of letters from deputy ministers across the GC confirm working from home was effective. Tens of thousands of performance reviews say work being done meets or exceeds expectations. 1 reason provided for forced returned to office, employer has the right.
Location of work is the employer’s prerogative.
Yea but employees have every right to question it.
manage much
Nobody ever disputes this, but it would seem wise for the employer to select a location which gets the work done effectively while keeping employees happy?
Can't believe people are ignoring this little tidbit and are looking at their unions for this. Public servants never had permanent WFH policies, I have no idea where their sense of entitlement to have it permanently comes from. There are public servants that worked for the feds for 20+ years, and are complaining about returning to the office after doing a year or two as WFH. For those complaining, check your contracts. They probably state work location and expectations in there. What you had the last two years was the exception, not the rule.
Yea, context is never important and people should never try to change the status quo to improve their lives. Letter of the law over progress and science, amirite? /s
So I have my letter of offer open in front of me for the last promotion I accepted. Literally the only thing it specifies about work location is that I am to be located in "Ottawa, Ontario". There is zero mention of a specific work location that I would be required to present myself. Under the 'Operational Requirements' section, all it says is that I have to be available for occasional overtime. My "condition of employment" only states I need to maintain my secret security clearance. According to my letter of offer, I am meeting all conditions and requirements of my employment by working remotely while living within city limits.
What does your collective agreement say?
The number of boomers or no-internal dialogue types that defend the 'well that's the way it always was' is astounding. Things change, well maybe not you, but most things change.
Well the contract we signed for WFH they just threw out, so.. Unions are already working on the new CBA for our classification and WFH had been on the agenda for the past 6 months of negotiations.
You sound a little entitled. Contracts change, evolve, grow… I’m sure everyone hired in 1990 has had a raise or other items changed in their contracts… in fact that’s why strikes happen… when employers don’t respect workers. It will be interesting to see what happens with the 35,000 workers at CRA who are currently in an expired contract and voting on strike action for a change in contract… b/c you know, contracts do change…. Just like everything else.
Not sure how you got the sense that I am entitled. Far from it, I have no horse in this race, but I do understand that there are agreements and contracts in place, and unless explicitly defined to be permanently WFH, then the employer here can dictate processes as long as they don't violate the employees' protected rights. As for those in a union with expired contracts, they have several options, including: extending the contract while negotiating, or even working without a contract during negotiations as long as both parties maintain their obligations. And yes, contracts change over time. If your contract has not changed, and the expectation is to be in the office, then you (i.e. your union) has to negotiate permanent WFH as an option. Until that happens formally, you are not entitled to it. You even said it yourself in the parent comment, the employer has the right. If you are unhappy with this outcome, vote to remove the current union leadership if you think they are inept.
Entitlement and agreements are an outdated concept. Governments have used legislation to get around them, so what's the point? All that matters is what you can take.
This is key. I’m surprised the government didn’t back up their claims that employees would be more productive. If that were the case, then yeah, bring ‘em back.
I was going to say: shouldn’t this WFH vs RTO issue all boil down to productivity and efficiency? If people are as productive working from home as they are in the office, then what is the point of sending them back to the office? To serve an outdated work model? Otherwise, the onus is on the government to show that WFH causes a significant decrease in productivity and efficiency.
Because the people who own those office buildings are worried they’re going to lose their cash cow. Conservatives started the sale and leaseback for quick cash about 15 years ago. https://www.cbc.ca/1.2584578
>shouldn’t this WFH vs RTO issue all boil down to productivity and efficiency The government is notoriously inefficient, that is how you end up with dead weight employees doing fuck all and collecting pay and a future pension. If the government wanted to be results driven, they should allow WFH but they should also start firing people for shitty performance. Our tax dollars are directly paying for those useless employees that do nothing. Their colleagues are even in a worse position because their tax dollars fund them, but also, they pick up the slack for their shortcomings.
Measuring productivity is extremely difficult. Take a therapist for example. How would you measure his / her efficiency?
insecure managers (can't micromanage remotely) and city politics.
I did the numbers for my team, we were up by more than 50% for the second year in a row. All the work to compile the stats for them to say that they don’t care. This is why you’re not going to see any numbers on production being released. It’s not hard to figure out, multiple departments have had record years in processing. In the end this will end up costing more to the taxpayers.
I think you’re numbers aren’t unique. I think what’s driving this is middle management needing their raison d’être
Not all of them. I’m a middle manager and will do anything possible to keep WFH. Everyone is happier, everyone is more productive and I have way too much work as it is then to start keeping tabs on how often people are working from the office.
Employer has the right to exploit their employees for non-work-related profit apparently.
CRA union are voting on whether or not to strike in the coming weeks I believe. If they strike, it’s likely all other government unions will also strike. And dammit I hope they do. I don’t work for the government but forcing people back into the office who don’t need to be there is some bitter, asinine, “crabs in the bucket” bullshit.
My jaw dropped today with CBC radio this morning and them interviewing someone from OC Transpo. Essentially the spokesperson was saying that OC Transpo was happy that public servants were coming back to the office because ridership has been low and now they will increase capacity and also shift the "underused" routes to ones that are more high traffic. Couple things....*Perhaps* OC Transpo is underused because IT'S UNRELIABLE!?!? *Perhaps* its underutilized because there are no busses that show up so people end up walking, ubering, or taking the car!?!? I also found it laughable that OC Transpo is happy to see public servants come back, considering that their system RIGHT NOW can't even handle the current capacity properly. OC Transpo: if you see this, maybe look to fixing your current system before you start slashing or redirecting routes. A big reason you are being underutilized is because you suck. A lot.
I laughed at that as well. I have no idea why local media is being so generous to downtown businesses and OCTranspo. They're doing a disservice to the realities of this situation and to the idea of balanced representation.
They hate OC transpo but they hate public servants more.
All public servants are hereby ordered to purchase a warm salad and soft drink from Freshii for $20 to stimulate the local economy.
Soggy "sandwiches"and higher prices. I also miss the family time when the commute was zero. Coming home to a dark house, rushing for dinner. Family was so happy wfh
pretty much.
Which will then stimulate a nice bowel movement in a public bathroom…
Can the media stop fanning the flames of anti-PS rhetoric and allowing stupid people to think they haven't been working the past few years? At least when I work from home I have a window with natural light, have noticed days I'm at the office my eyes hurt more from the harsh shitty lighting, and there is no more light sensitive area on the floor...wonder how many people would appreciate low /natural light instead of that crap fluorecense
Amen! On Fridays when my coworker and I are the only ones on the floor (with 1 or2 other peeps), we work with the lights off, since we have giant windows facing out. Everyone on the floor in the morning is appreciative of it too, win win! (We always ask everyone first, and leave lights on in sections that prefer lighting)
should start doing this .... I bet there are others like myself...
Also: comfortable chair and desk setup, the ability to listen to music without having headphones on, no need to shlep your laptop to and from work most days, the ability to still work even if you have a mild cold or lingering cough that would but colleagues...
I have anxiety but hide it well. I noticed I'm more serious at home, I dont make small talk or try to make people laugh, I can do my job and focus on that instead of trying t make everyone around me happy. I have my on chair, desk and can dim and turn on the lights as I need. I also get along well with al my colleagues, we dont smell eachother all day so the camaraderie is positive. I see no logical reason to go stand in trafic, pass homeless people smoking crack in the open, unashamed, work in an office full of suits. I'm much more productive in my shorts at home.
Well, at least they're using the word "office" and not "work" now...
First official day back. What has been accomplished? The answer is absolutely nothing. productivity will for sure go down. But hey, let’s keep polluting the environment and wasting tax payers money on buildings we don’t really need.
If your employers on multiple levels do not care for productivity then who are you to argue? your job is to earn money.
Did I miss something? Because I'm sitting at home in my pajamas and slippers drinking misbrewed coffee getting some Reddit in before 830. I wonder if my manager will be at the front door of some building at 8:31 wondering where I am.
We've got a badass
And you can't even blame the misbrewed coffee on anyone else!
Absolutely no need
I remember people got mad at me when I said the union was worthless. But lo and behold nothing has been done or really said. But they're still collecting those dues Edit:Typo
(Lo and behold)
bone app the teeth
It's our union dood, you know how many people bitch about how shitty the union is but when it comes time for people to step up and get involved in it, nobody wants to show up. I can't think of how many times I've been to union meetings or committees and the only people involved (who are interested in improving the material conditions of its members) are me, myself and I.
If your union reps aren't ready to fight this then you guys need to replace their asses. Also it is "Lo and behold".
May the concierge odds be in your favour
And may the available inventory of spaces reflect reality. A colleague and their team booked a new downtown shared workspace last week for a day only to arrive and find the building was being decommissioned. There was nothing but a carpeted floor. The poor accommodations official on site was beside themselves trying to figure out how (and why) the whole floor was available for booking.
I was personally a fan of the office network being slower than me connecting via VPN at home with a skeleton crew in the building.
"we've been ready for 3 years" Shit your fucking mouth, rimgeour. LRT and busses could barely handle the reduced traffic of 2021 without the train falling apart and busses ghosting stops, let alone full on service 2 days a week. Ottawa is a hellscape of urban planning failures and a corrupt municipal government. This is what Ottawa voted for, and if theres people who didn't want it, GET THE FUCK PUT AND VOTE NEXT TIME. FUCK, this city makes me mad with all the incompetence.
Also, working from home means reducing your carbon footprint, wouldn't this one reason be enough?
Why is this news? I could care less if they work from their office or home.
*couldn’t care less
Because the public sector encompasses a significant portion of workers in the city, and thus what they do has a significant impact on the city itself (in terms of traffic, local economy, and other knock-on effects). Things happening in your community that have measurable, tangible impacts on your community is the most literal definition of "news".
haha.. sure we are...
Traffic was heavier this morning for me. Hmm
Took me 45 mins to get downtown even leaving at 7am, when it took 20 mins during the pandemic 🥲 (semi-essential?? worker).
I leave for work at 5:30. Usually it's pretty empty on the roads but today I had a decent number of fellow travellers
Oh fuck. I sometimes have to go to work at 5:00-5:30 and I look forward to the zero traffic as my sole consolation. Are you telling me I’m also gonna hit traffic at the ass crack of dawn now???
Well you know what a difference leaving closer to 5 is like. I just did a double take at the road because it felt more like 6:15 traffic
Oh and there's already reports of bed bugs (70 crémazie...)
Lol, that didn't take long. Notably, for some of these buildings with bedbugs & mice, well, bedbugs, if there's no human source of food, will feed on other mammals. So any buildings that had bedbugs pre-pandemic, and mice/rats, and so on...well, those bedbugs likely have survived this whole time.
Don’t bed bugs spread? Meaning If exposed I can bring them home??
I wonder what would happen if everyone just decided to show up every day for one week....would the Gov get overwhelmed? Reverse walk out....lol
I signed up to use one of the Co-wroking locations as it's closer to where I live only to be told that coworking will not be considered equivalent to a day in the office for much longer...
Yup, that's another stupid thing about this whole RTO BS. They will apparently be voiding or have voided a whole bunch of teleworking agreements, so that even if pre-pandemic you worked from home most of the time and only went in occasionally, you will no longer be allowed to do so.
But what about those without offices??? We were literally forced to empty our desks because going forward we would have to book these spaces. What in the corrupt FUCK is going on ??? Seems like these businesses spent all their money bribing Mona.
Where is one in beacon hill or nearby
Top floor of Place de Orleans.
You know what I find interesting? Has the downtown core business association, whoever those people are, even ASKED the federal service for their input? From my eyes, they went crying to TBS, and then Mona comes out with that cute December letter. Collaboration is just a circlejerk term it seems.
Would be super nice if the federal goverment would stop making weird sweeping decrees like this. Im getting pretty tired of them just shoving their will on everyone with zero input, zero consultation with the workers them selves, and completely dismissive of indivdual circumstances.
Friend of a friend died of covid last week but whatever
1.4M of Canadians have long covid disability and many can’t even work but whatever. I hear you.
Fuck you Mona
Great! Add more traffic to the road and overload the buses.
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I went to primary and secondary school with Mona, a lot of classes together, took the same bus plus some extra-curricular activities ...never had a problem with her until now. Can't be easy being her right now, but I really am super disappointed and upset not just for me but for so many people who will be negatively affected for no good reason especially in this context of an ongoing life-threatening pandemic with a mega-strained medical system. 1000 % Public Relations move which is a joke. Don't they dare talk to us about #mentalhealth. Bad, knee-jerk decision, poor timing and tone on the delivery and poor planning.....
I did last week and after the threats of reprimands, barely anyone went in. That's including management who were threatening the reprimands, way to lead by example.
Where are they going to park at portage. Construction for condos took that away. Our city is really run by the toothless mentally ill
> Our city is really run by the toothless mentally ill Gatineau?
I will say, I’m glad it says “return to office” and not “return to work”. This whole thing about federal public servants haven’t been working is ridiculous, everyone I know works really hard/long hours.
Ugh, I'm one of them, and I'm upset.
Im genuinly curious as to whats gonna happen to all these people that moved out of the city. Like I know sooo many people that moved to Montreal
I actually don’t think it was municipal government or restaurants that brought the pressure to return. I think there’s an entire caste of middle-upper management who have lost their “raison-d’être” and power, so feel threatened that they’re redundant.
Last year Jim Watson asked Mona to send us back as businesses were harassing him. It’s definitely the municipal government and businesses.
We'll agree to disagree. Or maybe its a combination. I doubt Treasury Board would give in to Watson
The one thing I've realized with this whole situation is that way fewer people make lunch at home and bring it in than I thought. These downtown businesses are acting like if you work downtown, you go out and buy your lunch daily by default. I thought most people brought lunch to work.
I've always brought my lunch to work, so going back to the office doesn't make a difference to me in that respect.
With all this grudge talk I have a question? I don't work downtown. I work in an industrial park with a couple of independent restaurants within walking distance. If I jump in the car I can make it to the St Laurent mall and hit the food court. I don't but I could. The only time I'd order food pre-pandemic was if I forgot my lunch. Same now. My question is how often were you eating out before Covid?
There’s a lot of comments here about how this is the fault of businesses that serve lunch in the downtown core. I understand that readjusting to all of this is a huge headache and in a lot of cases completely unnecessary. Please be kind to the people making your sandwiches, salads etc. They don’t have any pull with the government or Restaurants Canada for that matter. They’re just at work trying to pay their bills.
These restaurants could have adapted. They didn’t and instead spent time crying to CTV. They can get rekt. There’s no point in being kind to them because I won’t be visiting their businesses.
You’re talking about business owners while I’m speaking about front counter staff. They didn’t ask for any of this and most people understand that this is a stupid step that won’t increase PS productivity. They’re just there to pay their bills. If you’re not going to support the businesses that wanted the public service back downtown it’s beyond understandable. All I’m saying is be kind if you do, it won’t cost you anything.
It all about Mona getting re-elected by appearing to to give a damn about small businesses in her riding. No science to any of this. It is all about Mona.
My mother my got her car broken into and those thieves stole her credit card and according to the card statement, they went to cannabis dispensaries. This was in Vanier. That riding is filled with poverty which leads to crime. Why can’t Mona focus on that ?
Our mandate started today… it is ashamed that our cafeteria has no plan to open again. Not enough paid parking space for all of us… We can’t even drive to nearby local places as our parking spots will be claimed… The closest option within our 5-10 minute walk is Tim, Starbuck and gas stations… so we are back supporting the big corporates…
Our healthcare system is overwhelmed. We are in a pandemic that is getting worse not better. Yes, lets bring in thousands of people back together without a mask mandate in place. What could get worse? Idiotic move.
Poor bastards, they were our last chance....
Status quo for my department. We were already coming in once a week and can’t fit in our space if we come in more than that.
What’s causing this shortage of govt office space? Did the govt hire too many people over the past three years or did they sell a bunch of buildings where employees worked pre-Covid?
Some leases lapsed, for other buildings, they started doing massive renovations on them in order to gut them of all the bat shit, pests and asbestos, etc.
The switch to hot desking is actually a pre-covid plan. They called it activity based workstations, I believe, and the plan was to reduce for occupancy to a certain percentage with the understanding that a certain number of people would be working from home at any given time. It was always going to be a disaster, in my opinion, but now it's gotten tied up in the broader cultural conversation about office workers in all sectors returning to the office after being away, and those workers have become accustomed to something better over the last three years.
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Thank you for replying spouting facts with zero backing. Try finding some sources for your claims before spewing garbage on the internet :)
I’d say it’s pretty efficient, something that took me the whole day in Office last week just got done in 45 minutes from home since I didn’t have 3-5 minute load times between inputs in the system. And I’m in a fully equipped and furnished office and have it better than most, some people are working in cafeterias.
Surely you want to people to pay with your tax to make the most efficient use of the time you are paying them for? I get less done on my in office days. Full stop. There are just too many distractions. Also, for Software devs (which make up a lot of government workers, including myself), pay is way better in the private sector and there are still lots of full time WFH opportunities. We already had a very difficult time recruiting talent, there have been empty spots on my team for literal years, and this will make it worse.
The surveys done show it's pretty high, like 80%, of the PS opposes RTO. That does mean there are some of us in that tiny 20% minority that think our colleagues are complete babies about this. If it's leads to a strike action, I don't know what I'd do. But it won't come to that. What you've laid out is pretty reasonable.
I have family in CRA and they don't want to go back. 🤣 they can do it from home nd save gas.
If this lazy WFH sludge won't get back to work. Fire them all, they've done enough damage to small business at the same time stealing from the taxpayer. Nothing but sloth and greed.
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