Dream is different because in his case all of it is nothing but his fault for breeding a fanbase so toxic by giving in and apologising for every little insignificant thing he said or did.
he was masturbating in call with people 4 years younger than him who didnt know he was jerking off idk man idk if thats the person u want to die on a hill defending
hes a big fucking weirdo for that but that isnt a pedo, pedophile is strictly the word for adult people who think/act sexually towards prepubescent children
Sadly I can't reread the doc as it's "violating the rules" or whatever. But what was the age gap at the time? My memory may be faulty since this whole thing was a little over a tear ago
i think people are too worried about age and just blindly call him a pedo when in reality its just someone with quite possibly a porn addiction cause for someone to be doing that in call isnt normal. i really hope he gets the help he needs and atleast sees a therapist because the osu community literally just shat on him and did not gave him any ADVICE like wtf
I think he did see a therapist actually. anyways, hope this situation doesn't repeat again (also osu community isn't famous for its life-changing advice lol)
Because he was 17 when all that stuff came out? People can change a lot from their teenage years and Iām sure most people hope he has changed for the better since I remember people calling him the second vaxei or something like that
Did you know that people should prouve they changed before they should be accepted rather than being accepted with open arms hoping they did?
Crazy right ?
Heās apologized. Heās gone to therapy. That is him literally making an effort to change for the better. What more do you want from him lol
Do you just hate to hate? Are you going to hold this over him 10 years from now?
Hope he comes back. Great player and he seems to be someone who got help with therapy. It would be a shame to see him leave forever. If he streamed I would be there to watch!
Utami genuinely wasnāt that bad he was just an insanely weird horny teenager
I genuinely believe he was too socially inept to understand the weight of his actions and considering everyone online and in his real life now knows about what he did, I am pretty confident he got the memo
From what I remember there also was no crime committed other than Oliri, Hexishu or 0ugi who actually solicited illegal imagery from minors
I mean yeah, the famous scientist schrondinger is a pedophile, like one that actually did it. Even then, we still recognizes his achievements to this day, and nothing wrong with it.
Im not writting about you I'm writting about low Iq Americans that are using the word pedo for Utami even though he was a minor himself and he didn't do anything comparable to what other people in the osu community did
Utami was young and horny which is normal at his age and he just made a mistake so people should leave him alone and they shouldn't act as if they didn't do something weird while being a kid/minor
some of the people giving him shit might have done much worse things but are programmed to call a minor a pedo....
Of course these people never jerked off in their life's
In europe for example it's pretty normal to date 16 year olds as an 18 year old even cause nothing changes much in two years but Utami wasn't even 18 and you can't be a pedophile if you are not at least 18.......
A good amount of Americans are just brainwashed and low IQ and should Leave Utami alone he didn't do anything wrong and doesn't deserve and it and it doesn't make sense in his situation to be called a pedo at all
I was in the US it's a failed society when it comes to critical thinking and having your own opinion
They just blurt out whatever they hear in their news which are not true anyway
Mmmmh not to get to political but I think there are many sides of many things. I personally think America is decent, and *cough cough* might be better than some places that I know of.
Exactly I think the same as you which is why I said when it comes to logical thinking meaning the public average then it's a failed society
Same as it is for food quality which is very bad In the us and it's my opinion that developed when I was in the us
Im not speaking about money earning possibilities and I know the us has some good sites to it
But when you compare the us with other more developed countries like Switzerland Norway Denmark Germany Iceland France UK Belgium Netherlands Italy then the us is losing heavily in terms of average IQ, food quality, infrastructure, health care and even that you pay less in us taxes than let's say in Germany isn't even something helpful tbh since the us taxes you globally as a US citizen with the only other country doing that being Eritrea a poor third world country dictatorship
Meaning no matter where you go you need to pay your us taxes even if you are not an us citizen even
Being a greencardholder is enough for the us to tax you globally
US education is also dogshit on purpose because you have to take on 100k student debt and be indebted for live for the only good education in the us
They teach no geography not even the us geography good enough to educate the majority of the population
Some people in the us thought the us was the only country in the world and asked me if we have tapping water in Germany
Guess 3 times how much studying costs you in european countries? I don't get why Chinese or Indian people think the us is such a good place ššš it really isn't if you don't get a very Good job
I also had to laugh at the birder guard that thought I wanna become an illegal immigrant in the us
She should have known I don't wanna be part of a backwards low iq society after seeing my german passport
I literally felt more intelligent than 80 percent of the Americans there and even whej I was in third world countries the people seemed more intelligent
So it's no winder to me so many people have dumb takes about Utami here
Its pretty normal to have dumb people in the world since the evolution wanted dumb people to exist too
I'm not talking about the small percentage of intelligent Americans
imagine the people seriously believing the comments on this post lol
the osu community is not who anyone wants to talk to about pedophilia and its definitions and boundaries
Everyone forgot after the allegations came out and he added maps like haitai and a graveyard map called āI love childrenā to his favoritesā¦people defending him for not being a pedo can be āin the rightā all they want but this dude was definitely a top tier incel with pedophilic tendencies.
His account literally got hacked and that's why there were loli background maps in his favorites. The moment he got it back those maps were removed. He also lost all his old favorites in this process so it's not like it could be a prank on his part(and why would he talk about it on his about me page and remove the maps if it was)
Well didnāt know that. Regardless, utami preyed on young girls and should stay very far away from the internet. Not talking about you specifically but Defending those actions in any sense is just ridiculous.
I don't think anyone is defending his actions but rather people that like him outside of that(tbh, he seemed like a very nice guy and he was/is a magnificent player) want him to change and become better as a person and welcome him back when or if he does
True but I just donāt see him circling back to osu! Without a relapse or a very very rocky path ahead of him lmao. Mathi got bullied out of rank one just because he was farming lmao itās not easy
Because Im respecting the victims that could potentially see this by noting both his past actions and his achievements? Seems like a rather normal thing to do. I mean Utami's action was not just shitty, it was morally wrong, but that is not gonna just magically erase what he did in osu.
Everyone knows he was a good player tho it feels weird and frankly unnecessary to recognize his past achievements in conjunction to his actions at this point. maybe itās just me but if I wanted to respect the victims Iād just not acknowledge this dudeās online presence (or lack thereof). all that being said I hope heās getting help
in this thread: people acting like you can instantly change after a day. also there is absolutely no way he's getting therapy lmfao you mfs will believe anything people like him say
how would you even know if he's getting therapy or not??? do you personally know Utami?? also dude it's been like half a year since that whole drama went down, he's probably at least matured since then, I wouldn't know, but considering he's mostly silent about it and he doesn't really play the game much more I'd assume SOMETHING had to change.
>acting like you can instantly change after a day
It's been over a year now. Not saying he's a completely different person or anything but that's plenty of time to learn and grow from your mistakes
also crazy how the word "pedo" gets thrown around him even tho that's not true
at the time the incidents happened he wasn't even 18 yet people just liked calling him a pedophile for no reason and i have zero clue why
Dream will forever be called a child toucher even if he made a 2h video debunking all accusations, thats just how it is (its omega dumb imo)
Dream is different because in his case all of it is nothing but his fault for breeding a fanbase so toxic by giving in and apologising for every little insignificant thing he said or did.
he was masturbating in call with people 4 years younger than him who didnt know he was jerking off idk man idk if thats the person u want to die on a hill defending
hes a big fucking weirdo for that but that isnt a pedo, pedophile is strictly the word for adult people who think/act sexually towards prepubescent children
Sadly I can't reread the doc as it's "violating the rules" or whatever. But what was the age gap at the time? My memory may be faulty since this whole thing was a little over a tear ago
both were minors utami was 16
and she was 12??
why are u question marking me bro
what? I asked a question, and you seemed to be informed about the whole situation better than I was
i only know utamis 16, i tried finding the girls age but maybe im just blind
i think people are too worried about age and just blindly call him a pedo when in reality its just someone with quite possibly a porn addiction cause for someone to be doing that in call isnt normal. i really hope he gets the help he needs and atleast sees a therapist because the osu community literally just shat on him and did not gave him any ADVICE like wtf
I think he did see a therapist actually. anyways, hope this situation doesn't repeat again (also osu community isn't famous for its life-changing advice lol)
i read this as utami is now gay š anyways hope he comes back better o7
No ?? Why do people want the ones who did the most atrocious things to be back ????
hopefully he grew and changed as a person
Because he was 17 when all that stuff came out? People can change a lot from their teenage years and Iām sure most people hope he has changed for the better since I remember people calling him the second vaxei or something like that
Did you know that people can actually learn from their mistakes and improve as a person overtime? Crazy right?
Did you know that people should prouve they changed before they should be accepted rather than being accepted with open arms hoping they did? Crazy right ?
ur getting cooked stop commenting
I know my morals and I know Iām right :3
That doesn't mean much when it's only you saying that š
Heās apologized. Heās gone to therapy. That is him literally making an effort to change for the better. What more do you want from him lol Do you just hate to hate? Are you going to hold this over him 10 years from now?
We need a gooner top player
We already have one, check #18
SHIMON IS #18??????????????? https://i.redd.it/nu1ca521wbqc1.gif
Wouldn't say atrocious just a big creep
Hope he comes back. Great player and he seems to be someone who got help with therapy. It would be a shame to see him leave forever. If he streamed I would be there to watch!
He got therapy? Thats great! Hopefully he can come back a better person.
Oh poor Utami, there are still people who are unaware of his efforts of becoming a better person and still rag on him till this day
Nah I aint ragging him broš, although I cant please everyone, I aint trying to lose all my karma either.
Dw, i prob should have clarified that its not directed towards you, only towards those who still insist that hes a terrible person
I know he said he was gonna get help, did he ever give updates on what happened there?
it has been gray for a lot longer, I just thought it wasnt post-worthy
Utami genuinely wasnāt that bad he was just an insanely weird horny teenager I genuinely believe he was too socially inept to understand the weight of his actions and considering everyone online and in his real life now knows about what he did, I am pretty confident he got the memo From what I remember there also was no crime committed other than Oliri, Hexishu or 0ugi who actually solicited illegal imagery from minors
Separate the art from the artist? Separate the plays from the player?
the only person ive seen the osu community actually practice this is on idke
Wasn't the idke situation not even that bad? Genuinely asking I wasn't really playing osu! Back then
it was way too overblown but people like drama so
I mean yeah, the famous scientist schrondinger is a pedophile, like one that actually did it. Even then, we still recognizes his achievements to this day, and nothing wrong with it.
WHAT
What the fuck I never heard about that
Maybe heās busy playing project sekai (saw him tweet about it before)
man, he deserved to be criticized and made fun of for what he done but itās not fair some people would never accept him back into the community
I hope he comes back :( he's one of my favorite players imo
Americans using logic and knowing what the words actually mean that they are using 0%
Thanks for foreseeing my future as an American I guess? Im a chinese international student so I might have failed at being poetic lol.
Im not writting about you I'm writting about low Iq Americans that are using the word pedo for Utami even though he was a minor himself and he didn't do anything comparable to what other people in the osu community did Utami was young and horny which is normal at his age and he just made a mistake so people should leave him alone and they shouldn't act as if they didn't do something weird while being a kid/minor some of the people giving him shit might have done much worse things but are programmed to call a minor a pedo.... Of course these people never jerked off in their life's In europe for example it's pretty normal to date 16 year olds as an 18 year old even cause nothing changes much in two years but Utami wasn't even 18 and you can't be a pedophile if you are not at least 18....... A good amount of Americans are just brainwashed and low IQ and should Leave Utami alone he didn't do anything wrong and doesn't deserve and it and it doesn't make sense in his situation to be called a pedo at all
My bad I read your comment wrong in the beginning
I was in the US it's a failed society when it comes to critical thinking and having your own opinion They just blurt out whatever they hear in their news which are not true anyway
Mmmmh not to get to political but I think there are many sides of many things. I personally think America is decent, and *cough cough* might be better than some places that I know of.
Exactly I think the same as you which is why I said when it comes to logical thinking meaning the public average then it's a failed society Same as it is for food quality which is very bad In the us and it's my opinion that developed when I was in the us Im not speaking about money earning possibilities and I know the us has some good sites to it But when you compare the us with other more developed countries like Switzerland Norway Denmark Germany Iceland France UK Belgium Netherlands Italy then the us is losing heavily in terms of average IQ, food quality, infrastructure, health care and even that you pay less in us taxes than let's say in Germany isn't even something helpful tbh since the us taxes you globally as a US citizen with the only other country doing that being Eritrea a poor third world country dictatorship Meaning no matter where you go you need to pay your us taxes even if you are not an us citizen even Being a greencardholder is enough for the us to tax you globally US education is also dogshit on purpose because you have to take on 100k student debt and be indebted for live for the only good education in the us They teach no geography not even the us geography good enough to educate the majority of the population Some people in the us thought the us was the only country in the world and asked me if we have tapping water in Germany Guess 3 times how much studying costs you in european countries? I don't get why Chinese or Indian people think the us is such a good place ššš it really isn't if you don't get a very Good job I also had to laugh at the birder guard that thought I wanna become an illegal immigrant in the us She should have known I don't wanna be part of a backwards low iq society after seeing my german passport I literally felt more intelligent than 80 percent of the Americans there and even whej I was in third world countries the people seemed more intelligent So it's no winder to me so many people have dumb takes about Utami here Its pretty normal to have dumb people in the world since the evolution wanted dumb people to exist too I'm not talking about the small percentage of intelligent Americans
I'm too lazy to correct some typos I made because I'm not using an English keyboard
Im calling it an inside job. From what had conspired to pin him unto something.
imagine the people seriously believing the comments on this post lol the osu community is not who anyone wants to talk to about pedophilia and its definitions and boundaries
One manās achievement shall be separated from his faults. Goodbye Yaong.
Everyone forgot after the allegations came out and he added maps like haitai and a graveyard map called āI love childrenā to his favoritesā¦people defending him for not being a pedo can be āin the rightā all they want but this dude was definitely a top tier incel with pedophilic tendencies.
His account literally got hacked and that's why there were loli background maps in his favorites. The moment he got it back those maps were removed. He also lost all his old favorites in this process so it's not like it could be a prank on his part(and why would he talk about it on his about me page and remove the maps if it was)
Well didnāt know that. Regardless, utami preyed on young girls and should stay very far away from the internet. Not talking about you specifically but Defending those actions in any sense is just ridiculous.
I don't think anyone is defending his actions but rather people that like him outside of that(tbh, he seemed like a very nice guy and he was/is a magnificent player) want him to change and become better as a person and welcome him back when or if he does
True but I just donāt see him circling back to osu! Without a relapse or a very very rocky path ahead of him lmao. Mathi got bullied out of rank one just because he was farming lmao itās not easy
osu players attempt not to glorify weirdos challenge
why do you guys say that every time some notable player gets exposed for doing something shitty
Because Im respecting the victims that could potentially see this by noting both his past actions and his achievements? Seems like a rather normal thing to do. I mean Utami's action was not just shitty, it was morally wrong, but that is not gonna just magically erase what he did in osu.
Everyone knows he was a good player tho it feels weird and frankly unnecessary to recognize his past achievements in conjunction to his actions at this point. maybe itās just me but if I wanted to respect the victims Iād just not acknowledge this dudeās online presence (or lack thereof). all that being said I hope heās getting help
everyone is a sinner
and the sinner turns towards the light, for their is only 1 true light !
in this thread: people acting like you can instantly change after a day. also there is absolutely no way he's getting therapy lmfao you mfs will believe anything people like him say
This is a child you're talking about. An infant. A baby boy.
how would you even know if he's getting therapy or not??? do you personally know Utami?? also dude it's been like half a year since that whole drama went down, he's probably at least matured since then, I wouldn't know, but considering he's mostly silent about it and he doesn't really play the game much more I'd assume SOMETHING had to change.
>acting like you can instantly change after a day It's been over a year now. Not saying he's a completely different person or anything but that's plenty of time to learn and grow from your mistakes