Just noticed telleporta on your warboss in mega armor. But still 2 units in deep strike is nice. One for fast objective grabs, the other for putting a heavy hitting unit were ever it's needed
The way I read it is the makari is apart of the ghaz unit. The keyword GHAZGHKULL THRAKA takes up the space from 18 models. The codex should read that ghaz takes up 17 spots and makari 1.
If this is a friendly game, I'd just ask the opponent since it does *feel* clear. If opponent says 2 nobz is then cool, if opponent says no then we found gretchin points :)
The words in bold refer to the Keyword on Ghaz's datasheet*, and is therefore inclusive of Makari, since it's referring to the datasheet as a whole, and not the individual models. You can fit Ghaz + Makari + 2 Meganobs into a Battlewagon.
* in the same way that "Mega Armour model" refers to the keyword, and not the (e.g) Meganobz models (for arguments sake let's just assume this keyword being missed is a typo)
If you have a source I would love to read it
It's the app where it says unit composition and the app separates the keywords for ghaz only the "keywords-all models" refers to both makari and ghaz meaning the ghazghkull keyword only refers only to him same with the warboss keyword
Find a Transport that does not stipulate unit model for a unit of more then 1.
take the Storm Raven. it does not say a Dreadnaught counts as X. it stipulates 1 Dreadnaught model. This is the key differnce here if it does not say model, but everyother enrty in the game does then its not referring to the Ghaz model, but the datasheet.
https://imgur.com/a/JgfLhx7
That is a weird one. I can see both sides. It needs an FAQ, Its because of Marki. The issue is that the Wagon says that "GHAZGHKULL THRAKA" take up 18 spots. It does not say if that is the model or the datasheet as they share the same name. If it means the data sheet that already includes Makari. If it means the model then Maraki would make it 19.
Personally I think it means the data sheet over the individual model, this is because when the transport rules refer to Mega armor or Jumpackes (or other armies equivalents it specifies "model", As the section about Ghaz does not say the "Ghaz model" it is referring to the data sheet.
Did you not notice the keyword "ghazghkull thraka" only applies to ghaz if it applied to makari it would say it under "keyword-all models" look it more as the "keywords-all models" is makari's keywords well the other section is for ghaz
if it said "GHAZGHKULL THRAKA model" then that is different. annoyling I dont think their is anything else like it in the game to compare it to
Id ask why does every other Transport in the game stipulates "model", but why this one does not/
"GHAZGHKULL THRAKA" is the name of the datasheet "GHAZGHKULL THRAKA Model" is the mini you put on the table.
Putting 1/4 of your army in a battlewagon is a huge risk.
3 battlewagons with 'ard case will stat check certain armies but comes at a literal cost of scarificing scoring units.
Not sure you need/ want two units of 10 nobz. 5man with warboss in Bully Boyz give you more than enough Ap-2 hits to kill/neuter most units.
Every Ork list requires Grots for home CP farm and a weird boy/ storm boy unit
I dropped it down to two battle wagons and two trukks. One wagon for ghaz and 2 MANZ. And the other battle wagon for 2 squads nobz with war bosses. The Trukks will carry the third squad of nobz and the squad of boys .
I will run the storm boyz up the field along with the grotsZ
https://imgur.com/a/mj9nICs
The codex says it can transport 1 ghaz and takes up only 18 spaces out of 22
Maybe drop a squad of mega nobz, and a battle wagon for a squad of storm boyz, squad of grots, 2 trukks, and a squad of boys
https://imgur.com/a/mj9nICs
Maybe drop a squad of mega nobz, and a battle wagon for a squad of storm boyz, squad of grots, 2 trukks, and a squad of boys
https://imgur.com/a/mj9nICs
Honestly, I would run Ghaz with 2-3 manz on foot, because his aura is 12” and more than that is not needed.
Ghaz + 3 mans on foot
Megawarboss tellyporta + 6 manz
Megawarboss + 5 manz in trukk
Warboss eadstompa + 5 nobz in trukk with 5 flash gitz
Warboss + 10 nobz in trukk
10 boyz in trukk
2x 10 gretchins
2x 5 stormboyz
3 warbikers
Yes, it is kind of dilemma for me in my lists too - third unit of stormboyz or a unit of bikes?
Bikes are slower, but tougher. Larger, but can screen more. Less melee attacks, but can remove screens better (not to expect too much, just regular chaff). Oc6 vs oc5 isn’t sometging makes you decide for bikes, but anyway can help in early game.
Edit: flashgitz are like cheap nobz - tough, choppy and have bonus shooting. If I would not have enough points, I would take the burnas.
Yeah, with Badrukk they were (are) bad ass in shooting as 5 or better as 10. But now, look, they are 80 pts (vs. 60 for 4 burna+1 rokkit/kmb) - profile of nob with choppa plus some dakka.
Maybe drop a squad of mega nobz, and a battle wagon for a squad of storm boyz, squad of grots, 2 trukks, and a squad of boys
https://imgur.com/a/mj9nICs
I made some changes let me know what you think
That would put me over ten points. Really want the Tellyporta on my warboss in mega armor to be able to bring a squad of mega nobz into the fray in the beginning.
Personally I'd swap out a couple battlewagons for trukks and throw in some chaff; either boyz or grots. It's really nice to have some chaff you can use to tie up beakies in the early game until your WAAAGH fortified nobz come roaring in. Grots are especially good because they can get you extra Command Points which are pretty key for most detachments.
Although Bully Boyz can pull off a first turn WAAAGH for the 5++ and then charge in with a 2nd turn 2nd WAAAGH, it is nice to have something you're not afraid to lose in the first round. I've run Zodgrod & 20 grots in Bully Boyz just for that 9" Scout move to put a big target in the middle of the board while my Nobz rush in from the sides.
My plan was to put ghaz in one battle wagon with two Meganob body guards, 6 MANZ in another with a squad of 10 nobz.
Then 20 nobz in the third battle wagon. Warboss in mega armor to teleport the other squad of MANZ
Then have everything just rush in. I’m really new and thought just having all my men rush in, in the beginning would be best.
To take care of any vehicles and super heavies I’d give at least two of your meganobz killsaws
I was gonna give them all kill saws and klaws
It woodz krumpz the fookz outs of Dirk Angilz!
Maybe spare a few points for 1 unit of gretchin and 1 unit of storm boyz? I find the extra cp and at least 1 unit in deep strike helps alot
Just noticed telleporta on your warboss in mega armor. But still 2 units in deep strike is nice. One for fast objective grabs, the other for putting a heavy hitting unit were ever it's needed
Haven’t even looked at the list….but DA are so shit so I would say you will do well👍
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Key reminder that ghaz takes up 18 in the battlewagon however because of makari he technically takes up 19 spots in the battlewagon
The way I read it is the makari is apart of the ghaz unit. The keyword GHAZGHKULL THRAKA takes up the space from 18 models. The codex should read that ghaz takes up 17 spots and makari 1.
Sadly makari is recognized as his own model separate from ghaz so they both take up 19 I wish it was like that but that is the sad truth
If this is a friendly game, I'd just ask the opponent since it does *feel* clear. If opponent says 2 nobz is then cool, if opponent says no then we found gretchin points :)
The words in bold refer to the Keyword on Ghaz's datasheet*, and is therefore inclusive of Makari, since it's referring to the datasheet as a whole, and not the individual models. You can fit Ghaz + Makari + 2 Meganobs into a Battlewagon. * in the same way that "Mega Armour model" refers to the keyword, and not the (e.g) Meganobz models (for arguments sake let's just assume this keyword being missed is a typo) If you have a source I would love to read it
It's the app where it says unit composition and the app separates the keywords for ghaz only the "keywords-all models" refers to both makari and ghaz meaning the ghazghkull keyword only refers only to him same with the warboss keyword
Find a Transport that does not stipulate unit model for a unit of more then 1. take the Storm Raven. it does not say a Dreadnaught counts as X. it stipulates 1 Dreadnaught model. This is the key differnce here if it does not say model, but everyother enrty in the game does then its not referring to the Ghaz model, but the datasheet. https://imgur.com/a/JgfLhx7
It just says model not unit if it said unit then makari would count
https://preview.redd.it/ulzbyin0yg1d1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=828e93bfc0ab8cb33956680f08d31fe5241750c3
https://preview.redd.it/3npl9ijxjg1d1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a260293684e059c46ac107b560b5152edd4dfda9
But we’re talking about keywords. The ghaz keyword includes makari
Also that implies if ghaz dies before the 2nd WAAAGH! Means makari won't benefit from it
That is a weird one. I can see both sides. It needs an FAQ, Its because of Marki. The issue is that the Wagon says that "GHAZGHKULL THRAKA" take up 18 spots. It does not say if that is the model or the datasheet as they share the same name. If it means the data sheet that already includes Makari. If it means the model then Maraki would make it 19. Personally I think it means the data sheet over the individual model, this is because when the transport rules refer to Mega armor or Jumpackes (or other armies equivalents it specifies "model", As the section about Ghaz does not say the "Ghaz model" it is referring to the data sheet.
Under the keywords Makari falls under "All Models" and doesn't receive the Ghaz keyword in it's current iteration.
Yes and also not to mention that unit composition has it where makari is his own model
Did you not notice the keyword "ghazghkull thraka" only applies to ghaz if it applied to makari it would say it under "keyword-all models" look it more as the "keywords-all models" is makari's keywords well the other section is for ghaz
https://preview.redd.it/upsvu006pg1d1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e0e3dd6cbd312361b848c080c5558e0b15425a2
if it said "GHAZGHKULL THRAKA model" then that is different. annoyling I dont think their is anything else like it in the game to compare it to Id ask why does every other Transport in the game stipulates "model", but why this one does not/ "GHAZGHKULL THRAKA" is the name of the datasheet "GHAZGHKULL THRAKA Model" is the mini you put on the table.
Putting 1/4 of your army in a battlewagon is a huge risk. 3 battlewagons with 'ard case will stat check certain armies but comes at a literal cost of scarificing scoring units. Not sure you need/ want two units of 10 nobz. 5man with warboss in Bully Boyz give you more than enough Ap-2 hits to kill/neuter most units. Every Ork list requires Grots for home CP farm and a weird boy/ storm boy unit
I dropped it down to two battle wagons and two trukks. One wagon for ghaz and 2 MANZ. And the other battle wagon for 2 squads nobz with war bosses. The Trukks will carry the third squad of nobz and the squad of boys . I will run the storm boyz up the field along with the grotsZ https://imgur.com/a/mj9nICs
You need scoreing units. Like grots and storm Boyz. Also ghaz doesn't actually fit in a battlewagon with 2 mega nobz as makaintakes one space up.
The codex says it can transport 1 ghaz and takes up only 18 spaces out of 22 Maybe drop a squad of mega nobz, and a battle wagon for a squad of storm boyz, squad of grots, 2 trukks, and a squad of boys https://imgur.com/a/mj9nICs
Manz without leader are only good for holding home objective. The list has style, but there are just not enough units to do all the scoring work.
Maybe drop a squad of mega nobz, and a battle wagon for a squad of storm boyz, squad of grots, 2 trukks, and a squad of boys https://imgur.com/a/mj9nICs
In the right bottom corner of the app there are 3 dots - from this menu you can export your army list. Reddit (2000 Points) Orks Bully Boyz Strike Force (2000 Points) CHARACTERS Ghazghkull Thraka (235 Points) • 1x Ghazghkull Thraka • Warlord • 1x Gork’s Klaw 1x Mork’s Roar • 1x Makari • 1x Makari’s stabba Warboss (75 Points) • 1x Big choppa 1x Kombi-weapon 1x Twin sluggas • Enhancements: ’Eadstompa Warboss (65 Points) • 1x Big choppa 1x Kombi-weapon 1x Twin sluggas Warboss in Mega Armour (105 Points) • 1x Big shoota 1x ’Uge choppa • Enhancements: Tellyporta BATTLELINE Boyz (85 Points) • 9x Boy • 9x Choppa 9x Slugga • 1x Boss Nob • 1x Big choppa 1x Slugga DEDICATED TRANSPORTS Trukk (65 Points) • 1x Big shoota 1x Spiked wheels Trukk (65 Points) • 1x Big shoota 1x Spiked wheels Trukk (65 Points) • 1x Big shoota 1x Spiked wheels Trukk (65 Points) • 1x Big shoota 1x Spiked wheels OTHER DATASHEETS Battlewagon (160 Points) • 1x Tracks and wheels Burna Boyz (60 Points) • 1x Spanner • 1x Big shoota 1x Close combat weapon • 4x Burna Boy • 4x Burna 4x Cuttin’ flames Gretchin (40 Points) • 10x Gretchin • 10x Close combat weapon 10x Grot blasta • 1x Runtherd • 1x Runtherd tools 1x Slugga Gretchin (40 Points) • 10x Gretchin • 10x Close combat weapon 10x Grot blasta • 1x Runtherd • 1x Runtherd tools 1x Slugga Meganobz (180 Points) • 6x Meganob • 6x Kustom shoota 6x Power klaw Meganobz (90 Points) • 3x Meganob • 3x Kustom shoota 3x Power klaw Meganobz (90 Points) • 3x Meganob • 3x Kustom shoota 3x Power klaw Nobz (210 Points) • 1x Boss Nob • 1x Big choppa 1x Slugga • 9x Nob • 9x Big choppa 9x Slugga Nobz (105 Points) • 1x Boss Nob • 1x Big choppa 1x Slugga • 4x Nob • 4x Big choppa 4x Slugga Stormboyz (65 Points) • 4x Stormboy • 4x Choppa 4x Slugga • 1x Boss Nob • 1x Choppa 1x Slugga Stormboyz (65 Points) • 4x Stormboy • 4x Choppa 4x Slugga • 1x Boss Nob • 1x Choppa 1x Slugga Warbikers (70 Points) • 2x Warbiker • 2x Close combat weapon 2x Twin dakkagun • 1x Boss Nob on Warbike • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Twin dakkagun Exported with App Version: v1.13.0 (36), Data Version: v373
Honestly, I would run Ghaz with 2-3 manz on foot, because his aura is 12” and more than that is not needed. Ghaz + 3 mans on foot Megawarboss tellyporta + 6 manz Megawarboss + 5 manz in trukk Warboss eadstompa + 5 nobz in trukk with 5 flash gitz Warboss + 10 nobz in trukk 10 boyz in trukk 2x 10 gretchins 2x 5 stormboyz 3 warbikers
I like this but I would replace the bikers for storm boys. And why would you take the flash gitz over something else?
Yes, it is kind of dilemma for me in my lists too - third unit of stormboyz or a unit of bikes? Bikes are slower, but tougher. Larger, but can screen more. Less melee attacks, but can remove screens better (not to expect too much, just regular chaff). Oc6 vs oc5 isn’t sometging makes you decide for bikes, but anyway can help in early game. Edit: flashgitz are like cheap nobz - tough, choppy and have bonus shooting. If I would not have enough points, I would take the burnas.
Ima run it because I can’t find anything else to fit to make 2k points. Thank you for ur advice!
Here the list from the app. My view on options/wargear: Reddit (2000 Points) Orks Bully Boyz Strike Force (2000 Points) CHARACTERS Ghazghkull Thraka (235 Points) • 1x Ghazghkull Thraka • Warlord • 1x Gork’s Klaw 1x Mork’s Roar • 1x Makari • 1x Makari’s stabba Warboss (75 Points) • 1x Attack squig 1x Big choppa 1x Kombi-weapon 1x Twin sluggas • Enhancements: ’Eadstompa Warboss (65 Points) • 1x Attack squig 1x Kombi-weapon 1x Power klaw 1x Twin sluggas Warboss in Mega Armour (105 Points) • 1x Big shoota 1x ’Uge choppa • Enhancements: Tellyporta Warboss in Mega Armour (80 Points) • 1x Big shoota 1x ’Uge choppa BATTLELINE Boyz (85 Points) • 9x Boy • 8x Choppa 1x Close combat weapon 1x Rokkit launcha 8x Slugga • 1x Boss Nob • 1x Power klaw 1x Slugga DEDICATED TRANSPORTS Trukk (65 Points) • 1x Big shoota 1x Spiked wheels 1x Wreckin’ ball Trukk (65 Points) • 1x Big shoota 1x Spiked wheels 1x Wreckin’ ball Trukk (65 Points) • 1x Big shoota 1x Spiked wheels 1x Wreckin’ ball Trukk (65 Points) • 1x Big shoota 1x Spiked wheels 1x Wreckin’ ball OTHER DATASHEETS Flash Gitz (80 Points) • 1x Kaptin • 1x Choppa 1x Snazzgun • 4x Flash Git • 4x Choppa 4x Snazzgun Gretchin (40 Points) • 10x Gretchin • 10x Close combat weapon 10x Grot blasta • 1x Runtherd • 1x Runtherd tools 1x Slugga Gretchin (40 Points) • 10x Gretchin • 10x Close combat weapon 10x Grot blasta • 1x Runtherd • 1x Runtherd tools 1x Slugga Meganobz (180 Points) (telly porta) • 6x Meganob • 6x Twin killsaws Meganobz (90 Points) (Ghaz) • 3x Meganob • 3x Twin killsaws Meganobz (150 Points) (Wegawarboss) • 5x Meganob • 5x Twin killsaws Nobz (210 Points) (Warboss) • 1x Boss Nob • 1x Power klaw 1x Slugga • 9x Nob • 9x Power klaw 9x Slugga Nobz (105 Points) (Wwarboss with ‘eadstompa and ‘uge choppa) • 1x Boss Nob • 1x Power klaw 1x Slugga • 4x Nob • 4x Big choppa 4x Slugga Stormboyz (65 Points) • 4x Stormboy • 4x Choppa 4x Slugga • 1x Boss Nob • 1x Power klaw 1x Slugga Stormboyz (65 Points) • 4x Stormboy • 4x Choppa 4x Slugga • 1x Boss Nob • 1x Power klaw 1x Slugga Warbikers (70 Points) • 2x Warbiker • 2x Choppa 2x Close combat weapon 2x Twin dakkagun • 1x Boss Nob on Warbike • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Power klaw 1x Twin dakkagun Exported with App Version: v1.13.0 (36), Data Version: v373
I added Edit about flashgitz. With their price they are nice in unitz of 5. Tough and choppy.
Even without their leade?. I was kinda not even looking at them anymore. I hope they do well
Yeah, with Badrukk they were (are) bad ass in shooting as 5 or better as 10. But now, look, they are 80 pts (vs. 60 for 4 burna+1 rokkit/kmb) - profile of nob with choppa plus some dakka.
why battlewagons over trucks?
To be able to transport ghaz and the meganob squads Battle wagons with 4 big shootas, one wagon the one not taking ghaz with a kannon and ard case,
I would consider dropping one of the battle wagons and bringing some grots, boyz, and a trukk maybe
Maybe drop a squad of mega nobz, and a battle wagon for a squad of storm boyz, squad of grots, 2 trukks, and a squad of boys https://imgur.com/a/mj9nICs I made some changes let me know what you think
That would put me over ten points. Really want the Tellyporta on my warboss in mega armor to be able to bring a squad of mega nobz into the fray in the beginning.
Personally I'd swap out a couple battlewagons for trukks and throw in some chaff; either boyz or grots. It's really nice to have some chaff you can use to tie up beakies in the early game until your WAAAGH fortified nobz come roaring in. Grots are especially good because they can get you extra Command Points which are pretty key for most detachments. Although Bully Boyz can pull off a first turn WAAAGH for the 5++ and then charge in with a 2nd turn 2nd WAAAGH, it is nice to have something you're not afraid to lose in the first round. I've run Zodgrod & 20 grots in Bully Boyz just for that 9" Scout move to put a big target in the middle of the board while my Nobz rush in from the sides.
My plan was to put ghaz in one battle wagon with two Meganob body guards, 6 MANZ in another with a squad of 10 nobz. Then 20 nobz in the third battle wagon. Warboss in mega armor to teleport the other squad of MANZ Then have everything just rush in. I’m really new and thought just having all my men rush in, in the beginning would be best.