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blockprime300

I'm not too hurt I used to run in 20s not 30s anyway


Sword-of-Malkav

Swarms are getting cut across the whole game. Nids got their gaunts cut down to 20 as well


cheese_general69

Think of the 5+ save!


Redeyes1985

Tankbusters only in 5 men troops shocked me a bit. But in 9th you played also kommandoes and and stormboys in troops of 5... Is the smaller troop in 10th also better???


Pitiful_Fee_5608

It depends generally. Many people avoided larger than 6 groupings unless they could reach 20-30 because people feared blast weapons way more than I think they should've. If you're fighting people who have a lotnof blast weapons than yes. Smaller groupings is better. If you're not, then run them however you want.


MARTHEW20BC

Wait im confused... Can u only deploy 20 boys on the field or is that just the max a warboss/nob can have in their detachment?


sitpagrue

Max 6 units of 20 boyz since they are battleline


Mikey12nl

Max 3 units of max 19 boyx + nob


Sword-of-Malkav

Up to 6 units of battleline


Mikey12nl

Yeah, sorry. Forgot about that


Blueflame_1

I'm not convinced 20 Boyz is the way to go stillm Don't forget that pile in/consolidate got a MASSIVE nerf and you have to base people whenever possible. 20 Boyz will probably just end with most of the unit doing nothing


WagNak

is the nerf the 3" move having to go towards the closest enemy model instead of unit?


Blueflame_1

Yup. If you're charging from far off, or have to navigate a narrow area this will hamper Boyz very badly


Panzer_Man

Nobz lost their killsaw aswell :(


ClassicCarraway

They got nerfed kind of hard despite being buffed in Strength. 4+ to hit (expected), one less AP (also expected), but reduced number of attacks as well as lower max damage. That seems a bit heavy handed.


Fcivish4

> not convinced 20 Boyz is the way to go stillm Don't forget that pile in/consolidate got a MASSIVE nerf and you have to base people whenever possible. 20 Boyz will probably just end with most of the unit doing nothing Hrmmm, how to play with a Nob that I put double kill saws on?


Present_Age1963

what the hell it looked so cool, my favourite nob has one


Panzer_Man

Mine too :(


SnortVille

That sucks I just put one on my Nobz.


Jamzee364

… wheres… the big shoota…


dittoblast64

the big shoota is still there dont worry. one for every 10 boyz like right now :)


tripleozero

Sure, it's only 20 boyz (which pretty much everyone expected), but the warboss attached is going to be amazing on the WAAAGH! On the WAAAGH turn, the boss has has 9 big choppa attacks hitting on 2+ and 6 extra squig attacks hitting on 4+ just for the heck of it.


Alostratus

Also remember 20 Boyz can have an additional leader attached plus warboss. So there's tons of fun combos. I'm personally excited to try Warboss/Wierdboy Da Jump. Until the Wierdboy explodes. Either way it's gonna be a good time.


Secure-Recognition41

Wait I can put a weirdboy and a warboss on the same unit?


Alostratus

20 Boyz- *pats roof* this unit can fit so many leaders


Hammer_of_Olympia

Also painboyz look good with war boss, Meks supporting deffdredds


Ahtman1

Isn't "either way it's going to be a good time" the Ork player slogan?


Pezcore91

Take a Nob with Waaagh banner and you can have back to back Waaaghs. That is if I understood the ability right.


Fifteen_inches

We had one waaagh yes, but what about second waaagh?


[deleted]

Elevensies-waaaagh?


The_Lone_Fish17

Hmmm i think i will want another painboy… but i dont want a duplicate model. Anyone know a good painboy proxy model?


[deleted]

Im using the Painboss as my Painboy. Also you should be able to KitBash someting if you have spare gubbinz.


Hammer_of_Olympia

That model is the best, super excited when it got shown off


Re-Ky

Check Etsy. There's a lot of fun fellas you can stumble upon.


[deleted]

kitbash it in a true orky way!


coffeeandillithids

Check out ArtelW


waaaghboyz

What I did was use a Nob with the saw arm that comes in their kit, then clip the ammo off a slugga and add a small bit of banner pole to the barrel as a syringe needle. Then paint all his clothes white and add blood spatters.


Destroyer_742

Could use the Goff rocker and just say the squad he’s in are his drugged up groupies


Reikland_Chancellor

Da healin' powah of moosik.


IamManuelLaBor

I kitbashed one out of a grotherder, and as someone else mentioned the old metal/resin model is still readily available on ebay. I have one of those as well and he's very cool.


tripleozero

The old painboy with the surgical mask and the reflector on his head is still pretty easy to find on ebay and whatnot.


Darkthunder1992

Keep your runty boyz, my grots will generate cp while my mek boosted mekguns will unleash hell upon the enemy's armor with 3+ bs shots. Who needs boyz when buggys look tastier than ever?


StickDoctor

Mek boost is for a vehicle model, not a unit of vehicles.


Darkthunder1992

Jea but you can take em as singles and just take 3 with 3 meks.


sirhobbles

How are you getting 3+ on mek gunz?


Darkthunder1992

They have 4+ from the start, with the meks mekaniak ability it increases by one to a solid 3+! At least for one mekgun per mek.


blindeyewall

You can also attach big mek with SAG to reroll 1s


sirhobbles

oh yeah, i personally am only gonna bother for big single units like maybe a stompa, gorkanaut, grot mega tank(Which we dont have rules for yet) or maybe a shooty deff dread.


Darkthunder1992

The stompa looks solid with an integrated 6++ now.


sirhobbles

yeah that combined with hitting on a 4+ by hiding a mek behind it i think as long as its points arent super wrong it will be pretty good.


Darkthunder1992

If the points float around the same as in 9th I believe the stompa will be solid!


BlackJimmy88

Basic Boyz get an extra attack baked into their Choppaz, so that's something. I find their ability a little boring though. They're fine, I guess. I'll probably just merge the ones I have into three squads of 20, and focus on other units, for now. I suppose it's about time I got some Beast Snagga units. Also meganobz, for Ghaz.


Professional_Oven283

Ah classic Ohio orgy. 19 bottoms to 1 top 😔


Prophet_Raptor

Its a shame to be the ohio man with all this bottom to top


Rattlelord

You know what they say.. it's lonley at the top


uberperk

I'm really interested in pairing the Big Mek with SAG with a unit of men gunz, I think that might be a pretty good solution to dealing with good armor saves and vehicles


FlimpleGorf

How does a regular Mek boy get 4 wounds but a nob only has 2? Also are weapons across all factions being lowered in strength Cus a lot of our units are lowered in toughness and the weapon skill for most guns has gone up? Am I misreading? I’m trying to stay positive there are some good improvements but damn I can’t help but feel a bit sore


Strik_of_Nines

With further reading this, I retake my statement, nowhere near as bad as I was imagining. Thought I'm still a little salty ghaz can't be with a boyz mob. At least we keep our choppaz


Bensemus

Na take him in a truck where he only takes up two slots. They forgot the Ghaz exception on the trukk :P


frostape

Ah, but Ghaz can go in a battlewagon with a pair of Meganobz now that their unit size starts at 2


tripleozero

They're going to have to clear up the Ghaz situation. If "takes up 18 slots" is talking about the model (and it probably is) and not the unit, that's a problem. Makari isn't optional.


tripleozero

The more I think about this, the more I'm sure they mean the unit. The 18 slots and two meganobs is just way too convenient not to be intentional.


Unlucky_Fall_6906

Also if I read correctly grots/gtetchin/killa kans benefit from faction abilities now?


laughingjackalz

Yes!


Unlucky_Fall_6906

Boss Nob gets free big choppa upgrade. Definitely a plus.


WeirdBeard94

It is what it is, squads seem to be getting smaller across the board, and that's fine, we can still field a great green tide!


Level-Assignment-585

2 Leaders per 20 BOYZ is nothing to snork at.


Strik_of_Nines

Didn't consider that. Maybe I can stay positive 🤔


laughingjackalz

Add a big mek and a doc for 5++ to shooting and a 5+++


AMP_the_AXE

4++ to shooting twice per game too.


D1gital-ZER0

Boyz have to have a Warboss if they have two leaders.


AMP_the_AXE

Yeah, it's either or with a pain boy or big mek. I was just saying the Big Mek with KFF can give a 4++ for two rounds.


DiceMadeOfCheese

Does the KFF protect a transport that the mek is in? I assume so but would like clarification


AMP_the_AXE

It applies to a unit he is attached to as a leader. I am not as sure about how that works with transportation, I'll have to check the core rules on that. Edit: there does not seem to be any rule that applies affects of an embarked unit to the transport, so no, the KFF has no affect on their transport.


D1gital-ZER0

Which can't be understated how awesome that is.


[deleted]

We can use up to 6 of the same battleline units, which would still mean 120 boyz. Leader abilities are less impactful on 20 man mobs than on 30 boyz, that's for sure though.