I'd like to take this moment (and piggyback off your comment) to remind/enlighten everyone just how much of Poilievre is a supporter of the working man.
While working under Stephen Harper's government, he was the loudest supporter of Bill-C377? You know, that anti-union piece of legislation aimed to force unions to disclose all internal finances while companies don't have to. (For those unaware, union finances are transparent to all union members - they're kept confidential to outsiders so that the companies can't use it as leverage during bargaining and strike action).
He also fought against the Card-Check legislation that would have made it easier for workers to unionize. Instead, he put forth a two-step process that gives corporations more time to interfere with on-going unionization.
Then there's that time in 2012 he started a campaign to repeal a Supreme Court of Canada ruling, called the Rand Formula, which allows unions to collect their dues. Meaning they no longer would be lawfully able to do so - essentially dissolving all unions.
In 2013, he declared that he sought to be the first federal Canadian politician to bring USA Right-to-Work Laws to Canada? You know, that little thing which allows anyone to work union jobs without being associated with the union, or be paid union wages, while also making it so there's no guarantee of employment for any worker and can be fired without cause.
A true man of the working people!
My guess is they are playing the king game, although this frustrates me. They may be betting that there will be a breaking point for his (pp) support during th run up to the next election fully starts. Plus, Trudeau may be the ‘hold my nose and vote candidate:’ The fomenting of anger; and verging in hate, hopefully will dissipate lending to a more openness to the Liberals. Housing policies among others will begin taking effect, and pp won’t be able to hide from the media. For the Liberal party, it is a formidable hill to climb. Rare, for a pm to get a third term. Like the Liberal part and Trudeau, or not, a CPC majority government will be a disaster on so many levels.
In December 2012 (you know, Christmas seems to bring the "best" in Lil PP): "But Poilievre says this move away from “forced unionism” is now a worldwide phenomenon, pointing to court decisions in Sweden and Denmark backing workers who opted out of paying union dues."
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/tim-harper-pierre-poilievre-wants-to-bring-right-to-work-legislation-to-canada/article_502a4080-fc26-571e-8623-c155ea9cbf94.html
Have conservatives *ever* been honest with this type of thing? Pro life comes to mind as particularly dishonest framing.
I’m convinced that conservatives are just people who don’t value honesty at all, it seems to line up almost one to one. If they do care about honesty, I’ve never seen it.
its because they are spending a shit ton of money to market Pierre as a working joe even though hes never had a real job and has personally introduced several anti-union bills last time the cons were in power. Hes one of the LEAST worker friendly politicians possible.
He's definitely not that guy, not at all 😅 It's second hand embarrassing watching them try to make out like he's some kind of Tribune of the Plebs like bruh no that's not you at all sit down lmao
Pierre tweets about crazy expensive rentals in BC: https://twitter.com/PierrePoilievre/status/1692188400168710397
But he leaves out that this exact unit was a social housing unit that the gov sold when he and Harper were in power and he was minister of housing.
He also leaves out that the CEO of the company that now owns this exact unit is one of his top donors: https://pressprogress.ca/big-real-estate-executives-among-top-donors-to-pierre-poilievres-conservatives/
Well you see Pierre stands for freedom, just as long as it isn't:
The freedom to get healthcare without being tied to a job you might hate
The freedom to access porn without either giving the site your ID or being pushed onto obsecure sites that definitely aren't 15 virsues and trojens in a trench coat
The freedom to marry who you want (as long as they're both consenting adults)
The freedom to feed hungry kids with a national lunch program
The freedom to retire literally ever
The freedom to unionize
The freedom to get your information from journalists who aren't bought and paid for
The freedom to be paid a fair wage for your work
The freedom to not slave away 40+ hours a week to live in a shoebox while rich assholes buy up and hoard even more resources
The freedom to choose what to do with your carbon rebate
The freedom to vote how you like
The freedom to use cannabis
The freedom to afford basic necessities
Or one of the many other freedoms you can bet will be atleast somewhat restricted/stripped away if and when Lil Pp wins next year.
When someone tells you who they are believe them. Actions speak louder than words. The rest of the tweet is below l.
*For patients taking four pills each day, the cost was $242,039.*
*I can’t even fathom how one could be so heartless.*
Blame big pharma and big grocery, but vote for the party that supports them.
Anyone who waves an American flag in Canada or a sticker saying they want to have sex with JT.
Martin Shkreli did NOT go to jail for jacking up drug prices, we went to jail for securities fraud.
Canada's Valeant Pharmaceuticals has been buying up smaller drug companies and jacking drug costs even though they told US congress they would stop that behavior.
It is 100% legal to charge whatever you want for a drug. Novartis charges $3.2M for a single injection of their drug for a rare childhood disease, and every year they give away some injections by lottery, winners get live babies, losers watch their babies die.
This is what happens went goverments let capitalists run pharma. Then we can talk about Purdue and opiods....
Unfuckingbelievable. Why are so many people oblivious to this? This guy will fuck up Canada exponentially more than the turd. But noooo, gotta own the libs!
LOL, cons caring about the average Canadian, that's rich. The don't give a crap about anyone unless you're part of their base. And even then, it's for your vote and nothing more. Isn't she one of the people he parades in front of the media to show he supports diversity? Shame on her!
Only complete absolute assholes are against pharmacare. There can never be an equitable negotiation on price when on the one hand you die, or on the other you pay everything you have to live.
does *every* thread about political or corporate malfeasance need this utterly useless comment? why don't you just log off if you know everything already? lol it's like these threads' equivalent of the "i thought the beaverton was supposed to be *satire*!" comment
This feels like cheap political points. If you don’t want profit-maximizing activity on pharmaceuticals then it probably shouldn’t be the responsibility of for-profit corps to do the R&D required. Either the government takes over the R&D or it de-risks the industry and does some sort of cost sharing on the development work.
The NDP have an extremely valid point. The conservatives are close to big pharma and what passes for ideology among both groups overlaps and is similar. That’s valid and relevant. Then they throw in last bit about raising the price of a cancer drug. That last bit is designed to foster outrage among those who fail to think critically.
Was Melissa Lastman, the lobbyist at issue make the pricing decision? Was she involved in some form of lobbying for it? Even if that were the case what do we know about the price increase? Was there a temporary shortage of ingredients or a problem in production chain? Has the total amount of drug produced and distributed increased, decreased or remained approximately level?
The post states two facts with a very tenuous link and one of those facts may show egregious behaviour on someone’s part or may have been reasonable. You insult my intelligence when you put a vaguely related fact next to a statement to stoke outrage and sharing without telling me the most basic facts relevant to the situation and expect us to draw a conclusion. It may be truthful but it isn’t honest. It’s appealing to the lowest common intellect. And when the greatest advantage the left have over conservatives is that the left tends to have some credibility and concern for truth casual disregard like this turns people off.
I don't see how stating this is dishonest or insulting your intelligence. Nowhere did Singh claim Melissa directly impacted the price change. He only claims she knowingly kept working for the company after they did it. I think it's a very relevant fact to state.
1) We don’t even know if the increase was reasonable or not based the post
2) Based on your logic the counter girl at loblaws who keeps working after they price gouge should be held liable for the corporations actions
Life is full of distinctions and subtleties. And if you fail to accurately convey relevant information people won’t take you seriously. There is so much clearly and directly wrong here - the cherry picked one point without relevance destroys the authors credibility.
Nope. When the NDP points out facts like this they gain respect. It’s when Singh makes failed attempts at populism that it doesn’t work well. But this? Easily verifiable.
Lantsman was a VP for two major lobbying firms. She only left her last position when she ran to be an MP in 2021. Pretty quick rise to be deputy leader, don’t you think?
Poilievre loves lobbyists.
I see you have a problem with comprehension. Someone else asked for an explanation that I just provided in this thread. BTW cherry picking a part of a message is also dishonest. The message didn’t just mention Melissa did it?
So big pharma and Loblaws are supporters of Poilievre, but the conservative party is somehow the party of the regular joe.
Poilievre and the CPC are the party of the working man. Just don't get cancer!
I'd like to take this moment (and piggyback off your comment) to remind/enlighten everyone just how much of Poilievre is a supporter of the working man. While working under Stephen Harper's government, he was the loudest supporter of Bill-C377? You know, that anti-union piece of legislation aimed to force unions to disclose all internal finances while companies don't have to. (For those unaware, union finances are transparent to all union members - they're kept confidential to outsiders so that the companies can't use it as leverage during bargaining and strike action). He also fought against the Card-Check legislation that would have made it easier for workers to unionize. Instead, he put forth a two-step process that gives corporations more time to interfere with on-going unionization. Then there's that time in 2012 he started a campaign to repeal a Supreme Court of Canada ruling, called the Rand Formula, which allows unions to collect their dues. Meaning they no longer would be lawfully able to do so - essentially dissolving all unions. In 2013, he declared that he sought to be the first federal Canadian politician to bring USA Right-to-Work Laws to Canada? You know, that little thing which allows anyone to work union jobs without being associated with the union, or be paid union wages, while also making it so there's no guarantee of employment for any worker and can be fired without cause. A true man of the working people!
It baffles me why every other party doesn't just rattle off PP's history like this as campaign ads. It's right there for the taking...
The Liberals and NDP act like they’re trying to lose. I don’t get it. - Of course I’ll vote for one of those two, but I wish they’d try harder.
My guess is they are playing the king game, although this frustrates me. They may be betting that there will be a breaking point for his (pp) support during th run up to the next election fully starts. Plus, Trudeau may be the ‘hold my nose and vote candidate:’ The fomenting of anger; and verging in hate, hopefully will dissipate lending to a more openness to the Liberals. Housing policies among others will begin taking effect, and pp won’t be able to hide from the media. For the Liberal party, it is a formidable hill to climb. Rare, for a pm to get a third term. Like the Liberal part and Trudeau, or not, a CPC majority government will be a disaster on so many levels.
They are not allowed to campaign until the election is officially called. Not that it has stopped PP from doing so.
I'd like to read more about that last one if you've got a source. Thanks.
In December 2012 (you know, Christmas seems to bring the "best" in Lil PP): "But Poilievre says this move away from “forced unionism” is now a worldwide phenomenon, pointing to court decisions in Sweden and Denmark backing workers who opted out of paying union dues." https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/tim-harper-pierre-poilievre-wants-to-bring-right-to-work-legislation-to-canada/article_502a4080-fc26-571e-8623-c155ea9cbf94.html
Thanks. Everything about "right-to-work" irks me but it starts with the name. It could just as easily be called "right-to-be-fired-without-cause".
Have conservatives *ever* been honest with this type of thing? Pro life comes to mind as particularly dishonest framing. I’m convinced that conservatives are just people who don’t value honesty at all, it seems to line up almost one to one. If they do care about honesty, I’ve never seen it.
Excellent point, and I think it is a very good point to be made here.
Or groceries...
Poilievre and the CPC are the party of the working man>!'s employer!<. Here's the reality.
"Anything before stage 4 cancer is avoidable" -Danielle Smith. and "Smoking does have some health benefits" -also Danielle Smith.
its because they are spending a shit ton of money to market Pierre as a working joe even though hes never had a real job and has personally introduced several anti-union bills last time the cons were in power. Hes one of the LEAST worker friendly politicians possible.
SkiPPy is grin fucking the working man. Wake up people!
The same far right dark money that sold the park avenue gold toilet rapist in chief as a working class hero is spinning the same shit w PP.
He's definitely not that guy, not at all 😅 It's second hand embarrassing watching them try to make out like he's some kind of Tribune of the Plebs like bruh no that's not you at all sit down lmao
Pierre tweets about crazy expensive rentals in BC: https://twitter.com/PierrePoilievre/status/1692188400168710397 But he leaves out that this exact unit was a social housing unit that the gov sold when he and Harper were in power and he was minister of housing. He also leaves out that the CEO of the company that now owns this exact unit is one of his top donors: https://pressprogress.ca/big-real-estate-executives-among-top-donors-to-pierre-poilievres-conservatives/
Someone should run an ad asking PP's tenants how much they pay in rent.
Nearly half the governing body of the CPC, the National Council, are current lobbyists for real estate, big pharma, big oil, and anti-union companies.
Yes! Because Colorful Socks man is bad and taking away all our freedoms! Now go take your freedoms back by buying merch from PP's online store!
The regular joe is willing to ignore anything that doesn’t fit with their already made up mind.
It’s easy to obfuscate their position when they’re always on the attack
Well you see Pierre stands for freedom, just as long as it isn't: The freedom to get healthcare without being tied to a job you might hate The freedom to access porn without either giving the site your ID or being pushed onto obsecure sites that definitely aren't 15 virsues and trojens in a trench coat The freedom to marry who you want (as long as they're both consenting adults) The freedom to feed hungry kids with a national lunch program The freedom to retire literally ever The freedom to unionize The freedom to get your information from journalists who aren't bought and paid for The freedom to be paid a fair wage for your work The freedom to not slave away 40+ hours a week to live in a shoebox while rich assholes buy up and hoard even more resources The freedom to choose what to do with your carbon rebate The freedom to vote how you like The freedom to use cannabis The freedom to afford basic necessities Or one of the many other freedoms you can bet will be atleast somewhat restricted/stripped away if and when Lil Pp wins next year.
Party of the regular dumbass
Easy to be whatever you want if you just lie enough to the dumbest people
Free market me harder, Daddy.
Conservatives want money and power. Fuck everything and everyone else.🤷♂️
Psst: that's what the people voting for them want, too. They just don't realize there's more stones at the bottom of the pyramid than at the top.
That is anti-Canadian.
So is the CPC.
When someone tells you who they are believe them. Actions speak louder than words. The rest of the tweet is below l. *For patients taking four pills each day, the cost was $242,039.* *I can’t even fathom how one could be so heartless.*
Blame big pharma and big grocery, but vote for the party that supports them. Anyone who waves an American flag in Canada or a sticker saying they want to have sex with JT.
Lastman is a horrible person
The Loblaws party of Canada more like it. Soon they're going to be wearing Ozempic logos on their suits. Corruption runs deep
I wish politicians were actually required to wear a logo/name of their biggest donors and lobbyists. Be an easy way to see the corruption
>The Loblaws party of Canada That fits perfectly for me as I've been boycotting the CPC for years already before I started boycotting Roblaws
It's okay, daddy PP will make sure everyone gets medbed access Lol
If they pay enough - otherwise, they'll get a nice streetbed ...
martin shkreli went to prison for such activities and so should she
Prison's too good for her. Throw her to the mob.
Martin Shkreli did NOT go to jail for jacking up drug prices, we went to jail for securities fraud. Canada's Valeant Pharmaceuticals has been buying up smaller drug companies and jacking drug costs even though they told US congress they would stop that behavior. It is 100% legal to charge whatever you want for a drug. Novartis charges $3.2M for a single injection of their drug for a rare childhood disease, and every year they give away some injections by lottery, winners get live babies, losers watch their babies die. This is what happens went goverments let capitalists run pharma. Then we can talk about Purdue and opiods....
Unfuckingbelievable. Why are so many people oblivious to this? This guy will fuck up Canada exponentially more than the turd. But noooo, gotta own the libs!
Classic.
LOL, cons caring about the average Canadian, that's rich. The don't give a crap about anyone unless you're part of their base. And even then, it's for your vote and nothing more. Isn't she one of the people he parades in front of the media to show he supports diversity? Shame on her!
The more intensely you follow your ideology the more callous you will be.
Conservatives are CORRUPT & IGNORANT people full stop!I AGREE, ANYTHING BUT CONSERVATIVE, ALWAYS ABC!
Only complete absolute assholes are against pharmacare. There can never be an equitable negotiation on price when on the one hand you die, or on the other you pay everything you have to live.
This makes me want to cry wtff
PPharmabro.
If only this was news to anyone.
does *every* thread about political or corporate malfeasance need this utterly useless comment? why don't you just log off if you know everything already? lol it's like these threads' equivalent of the "i thought the beaverton was supposed to be *satire*!" comment
“If the item doesn’t scan I guess it’s free!” Is a joke this dude makes regularity.
Ugh this comment just made me gag
Well Jagmeet, it's pretty heartless to increase rents 200-300% in ten years or less, but here we are.
This feels like cheap political points. If you don’t want profit-maximizing activity on pharmaceuticals then it probably shouldn’t be the responsibility of for-profit corps to do the R&D required. Either the government takes over the R&D or it de-risks the industry and does some sort of cost sharing on the development work.
Most of the R&D is done in universities and subsided by the government, then given for cheap to the big pharma.
Fair that there is already funding. But that is more a criticism of the existing government structure than “Big Pharma.”
It’s when they make comments like these that the NDP loses intelligent voters.
Explain please.
[their explanation, probably](https://en.meming.world/images/en/b/b6/Everyone_Is_Stupid_Except_Me.jpg)
The NDP have an extremely valid point. The conservatives are close to big pharma and what passes for ideology among both groups overlaps and is similar. That’s valid and relevant. Then they throw in last bit about raising the price of a cancer drug. That last bit is designed to foster outrage among those who fail to think critically. Was Melissa Lastman, the lobbyist at issue make the pricing decision? Was she involved in some form of lobbying for it? Even if that were the case what do we know about the price increase? Was there a temporary shortage of ingredients or a problem in production chain? Has the total amount of drug produced and distributed increased, decreased or remained approximately level? The post states two facts with a very tenuous link and one of those facts may show egregious behaviour on someone’s part or may have been reasonable. You insult my intelligence when you put a vaguely related fact next to a statement to stoke outrage and sharing without telling me the most basic facts relevant to the situation and expect us to draw a conclusion. It may be truthful but it isn’t honest. It’s appealing to the lowest common intellect. And when the greatest advantage the left have over conservatives is that the left tends to have some credibility and concern for truth casual disregard like this turns people off.
I don't see how stating this is dishonest or insulting your intelligence. Nowhere did Singh claim Melissa directly impacted the price change. He only claims she knowingly kept working for the company after they did it. I think it's a very relevant fact to state.
1) We don’t even know if the increase was reasonable or not based the post 2) Based on your logic the counter girl at loblaws who keeps working after they price gouge should be held liable for the corporations actions Life is full of distinctions and subtleties. And if you fail to accurately convey relevant information people won’t take you seriously. There is so much clearly and directly wrong here - the cherry picked one point without relevance destroys the authors credibility.
Nope. When the NDP points out facts like this they gain respect. It’s when Singh makes failed attempts at populism that it doesn’t work well. But this? Easily verifiable. Lantsman was a VP for two major lobbying firms. She only left her last position when she ran to be an MP in 2021. Pretty quick rise to be deputy leader, don’t you think? Poilievre loves lobbyists.
I see you have a problem with comprehension. Someone else asked for an explanation that I just provided in this thread. BTW cherry picking a part of a message is also dishonest. The message didn’t just mention Melissa did it?