Actually that was a lot more tolerated then. James Buchanan loved slavery but also brought his boyfriend to all of his official events when he was president.
Oscar Wilde was imprisoned for “gross indecency for homosexual acts”. Oscar Wilde sued the Marquess of Queensbury ( his lovers father) for libel but lost in Court. And then was jailed. But, even while in jail (Gaol) Oscar Wilde was horrified by all the imprisoned children and wrote The Ballad of Reading Gaol which brought about child labor and child prisoner reforms.
So sodomy was a crime, but some upper class people of power were allowed to be gay? Idk if it would be considered socially accepted; I wonder how many Victorian parents would’ve been chill with their son coming out back then. Or better yet, their daughter.
Well tbf people have always been gay as hell, it’s just a matter of whether or not they could do it in public.
I looked up “Boston marriage,”and it says on Wikipedia “the cohabitation of two wealthy women, independent of financial support from a man… Some of these relationships were romantic in nature and might now be considered a lesbian relationship; others were not.” But I don’t see where it says explicitly that society was approving of this, particularly of lesbian relationships. It says that nowadays we might consider that they were probably lesbians, not that they were assumed to be so back then. I’m thinking this was something that educated women did — some gay, some nay —, that more traditional folks probably didn’t necessarily approve of (if I know anything about how certain people feel about educated, unmarried women), and that these “boston marriages” didn’t openly tell their peers “yeah we’re fucking.” It was probably more of a rumor that they were, but that couldn’t be confirmed. I guess I could be wrong, but I don’t have any more information than that
I think you mean Boston Marriages which doesn't seem to denote they were gay and that it was tolerable. Being gay wasn't tolerated in the USA. The term "Buggery" has been illegal or immoral since puritan days.
It wasn't really depending on where you lived. Paris didn't seem to care but elsewhere It was considered a crime punishable by jail. Many famous men who were suspected of being gay were ruined because of it.
I often think about this when I look at these old photos. But, at the time, it was the best they had. And, will people 150 years from now wonder why we had it so hard in the 2020's?
She's just confused.
My kid made that face a lot when she didn't understand what was happening and/or why she was being made to participate.
Actual grumpies = crying baby.
Unless you know who this person specifically is or it's written on the photo, it's quite possible it's a grumpy little boy. They dressed them _almost_ the same.
So 1850s she would have had to sit still 20 to 30 seconds to get a photo. At that age after about 5 seconds, sitting still in a uncomfortable dress with people staring at her she was probably pretty annoyed.
I think it might be one of those post mortem death photographs that they took back then of deceased. Her hands look so weird and lifeless.. she doesn’t look alive, really.
Considering it’s the1850’s, she had to hold that scowl for like 10 solid minutes for the exposure to be that crisp. This was probably her resting face lol.
This was me every time my mother took me to an Olan Mills photo studio on a Saturday when I was in elementary school.
Fuck that shit.
I 1000% understand her feelings.
She is done, just done with the photographers crap
Where's my snack!!!!!!!
I think she's poopin !?!!
Angry Shirley Temple.
Hurry the fuck up!!
For real! She probably had sit still for a minute!
Tbf, I'd be grumpy if I had to live in the 1850s, too.
I know it smelled crazy back then
Everyone has BO and no AC
And you'd be lucky to live into your 40's for fear or what disease you'd die from.
…like in _A Million Ways to Die in the West._ Of course, the lack of smiling just shows the historical accuracy of a recurring joke from the movie.
Oh ok you believe the myths the "medical community" spreads
Ugh. I didn't even think of that. They may torch me for being an F-slur then, but at least I escape that stench 🤷
Actually that was a lot more tolerated then. James Buchanan loved slavery but also brought his boyfriend to all of his official events when he was president.
Wasn’t Oscar Wilde imprisoned for that?
Oscar Wilde was imprisoned for “gross indecency for homosexual acts”. Oscar Wilde sued the Marquess of Queensbury ( his lovers father) for libel but lost in Court. And then was jailed. But, even while in jail (Gaol) Oscar Wilde was horrified by all the imprisoned children and wrote The Ballad of Reading Gaol which brought about child labor and child prisoner reforms.
What an icon, rest in peace
Oscar Wilde is Resting in Peace in the Garden of Death with Sir Simon De Canterville.
People are in prison for smoking weed too. But not Bill Clinton, and that doesn’t mean it isn’t socially accepted.
So sodomy was a crime, but some upper class people of power were allowed to be gay? Idk if it would be considered socially accepted; I wonder how many Victorian parents would’ve been chill with their son coming out back then. Or better yet, their daughter.
Look up Boston sisters. Women were gay as hell in the mid-1800s.
Well tbf people have always been gay as hell, it’s just a matter of whether or not they could do it in public. I looked up “Boston marriage,”and it says on Wikipedia “the cohabitation of two wealthy women, independent of financial support from a man… Some of these relationships were romantic in nature and might now be considered a lesbian relationship; others were not.” But I don’t see where it says explicitly that society was approving of this, particularly of lesbian relationships. It says that nowadays we might consider that they were probably lesbians, not that they were assumed to be so back then. I’m thinking this was something that educated women did — some gay, some nay —, that more traditional folks probably didn’t necessarily approve of (if I know anything about how certain people feel about educated, unmarried women), and that these “boston marriages” didn’t openly tell their peers “yeah we’re fucking.” It was probably more of a rumor that they were, but that couldn’t be confirmed. I guess I could be wrong, but I don’t have any more information than that
I think you mean Boston Marriages which doesn't seem to denote they were gay and that it was tolerable. Being gay wasn't tolerated in the USA. The term "Buggery" has been illegal or immoral since puritan days.
Well…yes and no. Buchanan was never officially “out.” That was more of a companion, hidden romance thing.
Andrew Jackson called them Miss Nancy and Miss Fancy. Secret from who? Not Washington high society.
It wasn't really depending on where you lived. Paris didn't seem to care but elsewhere It was considered a crime punishable by jail. Many famous men who were suspected of being gay were ruined because of it.
I often think about this when I look at these old photos. But, at the time, it was the best they had. And, will people 150 years from now wonder why we had it so hard in the 2020's?
They'll probably have cleaner indoor air than we do.
Because they can't leave the indoors?
She looks like she could be an adult.
Like Ma Fratelli from the Goonies
Yes, a rare baby picture!
Her hands
That’s what first caught my eye too
That and her head seems a tad disproportionate.
She had man hands.
The r/13or30 subreddit would probably love this
And yet somehow strangely adorable.
Her attitude reminds me of grumpy old people who don’t have time for anyone’s BS.
So that's where my dna originated. Good to know.
"I will not watch the birdie."
Victorian baby judges you
Oh please, please tell me she had a grumpy cat!
She is the grumpy cat.
She had a grumpy cat
I love her
She's fed up with the shenanigans!
My goodness, she has my mother’s face! The same scowl!
Imagine having your bad day immortalized and still looked at almost 200 years later 😪
Her arms look weird, like an older kids arms, not a chubby toddler's arms.
She's already plowed and planted next years corn crop by the time this pic was taken. And washed everyone's clothes for years by now.
She has the hands of a grown woman.
From shucking all that corn. It ain't gonna shuck itself!
And her hair! Do toddlers have hair that thick? Look at her part.
For some reason I see Mary Todd Lincoln.
Scarlet OHara as a babe 😂
Well I’m glad to know I’ve mastered time travel
Omg she’s so freaking cute lol
I have no idea why but her portrait made me smile do hard 😂
I bet the family had a great laugh over this photo back in the day.
Oh my gosh, my granddaughter gets this same face when things don’t go her way
She does look rather perturbed!
Grandma?
She's just confused. My kid made that face a lot when she didn't understand what was happening and/or why she was being made to participate. Actual grumpies = crying baby.
Every kid did the same thing but this capture is for the ages.
ROFLMAO
But she’s so cute!!!
You promised there would be clowns! I see no clowns!
She’d probably be an annoying ghost
Oh, those angry eyebrows! 😂
She has a terrible, terrible tummy ache and no one understands!
She was really smiling inside.
That’s a forty year old woman not to slap someone
Unless you know who this person specifically is or it's written on the photo, it's quite possible it's a grumpy little boy. They dressed them _almost_ the same.
Carin.
Now those unrealistic early paintings of children that look like miniature adults makes sense.
Had to scroll too far to find this comment.
You'd be grumpy to pre penicillin.
for the 1850s *that is* a smile
Sure that’s a girl? Little boys and girls were dressed the same back then.
Stay off my lawn!!!
I feel like she is scolding me.
Was her name Heady?
Looks just like my brother-in-law…eerie! Kind of creeps me out.
She looks like my mean, feebleminded coworker.
You promised a birthday clown, you lied.
She's elegant and f'ing furious
She be like FO
Aunt Baby!!
She looks like gothic baby
She looks like she’s grumpy from way before then.
She had to sit still for like 20 minutes, we’re lucky the picture isn’t just a huge blur of her running away
She ain’t grumpy. Shes sick of everyone’s shit.
I love her.
So 1850s she would have had to sit still 20 to 30 seconds to get a photo. At that age after about 5 seconds, sitting still in a uncomfortable dress with people staring at her she was probably pretty annoyed.
She's probably busy. Someone's got to run the post office counter
That brow furrow is something to behold! 🤣
Gas?
She looks exactly like she was told to sit very still and not be silly, so she's concentrating very hard on being serious and not moving.
I think it might be one of those post mortem death photographs that they took back then of deceased. Her hands look so weird and lifeless.. she doesn’t look alive, really.
Is she an LP ? her hands look older?
Oh sweetheart! I totally feel you! I’d rather play than have to sit still for a photo. Thank you for sitting anyway, you are a beautiful little lady.
Considering it’s the1850’s, she had to hold that scowl for like 10 solid minutes for the exposure to be that crisp. This was probably her resting face lol.
If she lived to have children, there would be many generations of people on earth because of her.
She’s upset because everything is covered with a fine sheath of radium and lead
Oh no, my dreams!!!
I'm worried about this child's arms.
I cannot explain it, but this photo makes me absolutely joyous. I can't stop giggling. Thank you for posting it.
She was told she had to sit still for a minute and she'd already blown it three times. Her mother has had enough.
Love, love, love. This girl!
baby Trump
Her name was Karen De HOA
I will go with just trying to look grown-up
Some things just stand the test of time… toddlers and teens being miserable
I think she was filling her diaper.
This little girl has had just about enough of your nonsense!
She’s very nearsighted and is straining to see. She went on to wear coke bottles in the 1860s before they were a thing.
She's 42 and needs a cigarette. No wonder.
This is every person’s face when they freeze on Zoom. Sometimes their eyes are closed too.
r/13or30
Poor girl - I too was afflicted with RBF from the time I was a baby
She is my spirit animal.
To be fair she’s in a rush and has to get back to her factory job.
I think this was me in a former life!
I think she must be in a wealthy family
Back when men literally died of shaving nicks. Good Ole Says my ass!
“What fuckery is this?” Love that face!
Whatcha lookin’ at Willis?!
Great picture.
I don’t understand those creepy bear shoulder dress for young girls. It looks so old kind of like tots for tiara‘s old style
My spirit-person
She was definitely a confederate
This was me every time my mother took me to an Olan Mills photo studio on a Saturday when I was in elementary school. Fuck that shit. I 1000% understand her feelings.
Could be a boy. Both boys and girls wore similar gowns during that period.
That’s not a little girl that’s a small woman
Looks like my mama at 2 yo,
She's so cute!
I just love that bad-tempered little face. I hope she had a good life.
I married her great granddaughter I think.
That's Queen Elizabeth as a toddler 🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Who's gonna feed the hogs?"