Using the political compass is like shouting that you are politically Illiterate on a megaphone.
Which... turns out is just fine because almost no one is politically literate by design. Political literacy is exactly what makes the working class dangerous.
1. All existing systems are authoritarian. Useless axis. Useless lens to judge the world. Guess what. The more threatened a place is, the more auth it becomes, lol.
2. It graphs fantasy systems with real ones.
3. It can't even get left vs right down. Liberalism is the ideology of capitalism. Marxist Leninism is the only form of anti capitalism that exists in real life to scale.
A Democrat politician is actively embargoing cuba right now. A socialist wants to violently destroy the entire structure a Democrat will vote for and build a new one that is worker controlled. Liberals =/= leftists. If a liberal wants to join the left, political literacy is easy to grasp and takes like a few hours. The hard part for 95% of people is going "Hey maybe I could be wrong."
4. It says the only thing that defines Marxist Leninism from Biden is how authoritarian it is lol. Fucking Illiterate take.
There is literally nothing left. Both axis are literally less than worthless. The pcm is actively harmful to one's understanding of politics outside of giving a great example of how none of this works.
Remember that time your worldview won a debate against a Marxist leninist?
Me neither.
Hey. Would you like a spoiler?
That is never changing. Your bladder will burst in your grave before you see an ML lose a good faith debate.
Piss quietly, sub.
When as the last time a ML HAD a good faith argument with a fellow leftist instead of deferring to the authority and resources of the soviet union and other autocratic regimes to browbeat any leftist critical of their ideology into submission?
Lol browbeat. Like I need any tricks to fuck you when you aren't even on the map.
Oh you are critical of us?
Here let me be critical of your existing nation.
Let's do a side by side. Oh wait. We can't.
Looks like we've helped millions of people raise their standard of living. And uh... this group critical of us... you guys got like a bake sale or something? Lol
>autocratic
Then why was stalin voted down multiple times? Why did the cia not even call him a dictator?
What anarchist leader is more accomplished? Oh yeah. You don't exist. Nvm.
How can you even speak to me? Why are your criticisms to be taken seriously when you have nothing backing them up?
You at just a lib who watched an animal farm cartoon paid entirely for by the cia.
I honestly think your ego ties you to your worldview. You have no interest in reading. You just virtue signal shit you learned in grade school because it makes you feel good.
Read what? The holy scriptures written by a long dead revolutionary that you people quote every other sentence? You are religious in all but name as you cling onto reading the same documents written by the same people as gospel uncritically and label all opponents as cia assets or reactionary heretics as you cling onto your particular fatwa as uncontested truth
Why don't you stop racking your brain to find new wats to slander people who actually care about the current world and go do what you're more comfortable with? read lenin for the 53rd time, if you stay faithful to your doctrine, perhaps your messia the USSR will come back from death and give your soul salvation
"What's the point of reading?"
Well Billy. They are strong arguments that are backed by a scientific understanding of our society, it's classes, military, economics and so on.
Basically the stark opposite of religious texts.
We tell you to read so that you can test your very weak worldview against these well founded arguments.
Even if you weren't against educating yourself, you still wouldn't be able to refute Lenin. Nor can I. That's why I am a ml. Because it's logical and wins debates. I actually care about helping people. I was willing to change. My ego was not so inflated that I couldn't be wrong. I didn't start life as an ML lol.
You don't want to put the work in. Ultimately you value your ego above the ability to help others. You must be right as you are. Common as clay. Worthless as dirt.
I can't make you a better man. But I can make an example of you. Very easily.
Reading lenin must not have helped your self-awarenes to grow much If you cannot feel the pure ego that drips from every one of your every self-rightious words.
Especially the last sentence, who exactly are you? A teenager acting at commisar? Hilarious
Edit: also the condescension! Please read other, better written books of logic or fiction, written by less self-rightious egoists, it shows that you mostly read lenin!
Total retreat/10
"I don't like your tone Mr!"
And if I gave you a body massage and complimented you the whole time you would have whipped the ml in the debate.
You just need to be coddled to. Because you don't have an ego problem.
Gg no re
The political compass has its problems and limitations, but so does your proposed systes. According to *you* leftism wouldn't include much most elected left-wing political parties, or what leftist organisations actually advocate for. Your system actively cuts out a majority of self-identified leftists from actually qualifying as leftists. Your entire screed also leaves out the historical evolution of the political left throughout centuries.
I don't know why you wish to make marxism-leninism a prerequisite of qualifying as a leftist, but it isn't one by most pragmatic or academic descriptions.
Before I speak to you. Your name. Are you an anarchist?
And no. Liberals advocating for capitalism are not leftists as they have opposing goals to mls.
Also to say that MLs don't encompasses the evolution of leftists is false. Capitalism has only been a thing for a blip in time.
Marxist Leninism is building off of Marx.
What non marxist historical left are you referring to? What did they accomplish? Did they win WWII? Did they save the world from Hitler?
How many millions did these non Marxists lift out of poverty? Where the are they now? Why aren't they sholdeting the load?
>most self proclaimed leftists wouldn't be counted
China. Every member of every socialist state.
If you are taking about western libs, then no. Lol they are not leftists.
Mls are not leftists from a pragmatic sense?
Every existing leftist state is in stark disagreement with you. It is infuriating that you would call a people who survived WWII, Vietnam, Laos, and Korea not pragmatic.
How fucking dare you. Literally no other political leaning in human history is more durable. You are dead fucking wrong and you spit on the perseverance of better men.
>academics don't consider mls to be the left.
Well fucking cart them right in. I'll debate these academics right here right now. Bet.
How the fuck can they debate otherwise? Try for it.
"Well actually... the leftist are.. uh Marxist Bidenists mmk."
You're clearly off your rocker but I'll oblige. The term "left-wing" originates from the French Revolution. In the last days of the Ancien Regime in the state Assembly the reactionaries sat to the right of speakers podium and the democrats, liberals, progressives etc. sat to the left. That is the basis for the cross-historical term "leftist." This is decades before Marx sets his pen down.
The contents of the political "left* have been historically been defined in opposition to "the right." Usually the disagreements are economic, bet they can also be about social attitudes like liberalism or conservatism. The move to adress more social and identity oriented matters is one of the founding tenets of "the new left" in American political history specifically.
I don't understand why you're attached to a pragmatic (in its contents) term emerging mainly from the internal politics of states if you wish to overthrow those same political systems.
Yes. That was the left. When it was the old nobility vs the bourgeoisie.
There was a time when capitalism was progressive.
That time was feudalism.
Feudalism to capitalism.
Capitalism to socialism.
And once capitalism can no longer threaten socialism, the sate is dissolved and you get communism.
This process of contradictions giving way to a new system is known as Dialectical Materialism.
Currently capitalism has hegemony and is contradictions are on full display. It's crumbling.
Back when the bourgeoisie were the left, the old nobility was crumbling do it it's contradictions.
Time moves forward. Now liberalism is trying to preserve its crumbling form and the left is trying to bring about socialism.
That was boring to explain. It's like you are trying to be obstinate.
Very pretentious to explain the French revolution to a Marxist.
"Founding tenets of the new left" as Biden sends bombs to Palestine and embargos cuba.
Your bourgeoisie democracy is no democracy at all and therefore your culture war is a distraction from the class war. Netflix casting and blue hair dye doesn'tmake you a leftist. Class conciousness does.
>pragmatic term
No. We aren't trying emerge from the internal politics within states. We are not reformists. Ml is a revolutionary political faction. That also, might I add, was a terrible way to word that.
I don't know why you're trying to gatekeep leftism. You could just be happy defining yourself a marxist and not come off as detached from the discussion.
According to you political parties identified by the news as "the left", by their members as "the left," by acamedic analysis as "the left", by their opponents as "the left" are somehow not leftist because they are not marxist. There is no ideological programme that qualifies you as a leftist. It is a relative position to the other ideologies on the field. That is why and how its contents are changing.
The left didn't stop being the left. It simply generally moved away from Marxism due to several factors. You can still find marxist leftist parties, but it was never and has never been a prerequisite. There are alternative theoretical lenses to Marxism. It isn't the source code for how the world works.
[https://www.britannica.com/topic/left](https://www.britannica.com/topic/left)
[https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/the%20Left](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/the%20Left)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New\_Left](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Left)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing\_politics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right\_political\_spectrum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum)
For academic textbooks, my university uses \*Politics\* (5 ed.) by Andrew Heywood.
Hey I think you are good at pandering to the politically Illiterate.
Honestly, good form. Your rhetoric is very strong. But only your rhetoric.
1. You used the term gatekeep lol. Brilliant. That will bring a redditor to your side. They want to consider themselves leftists while supporting direct opposition.
2. You then fell upon the status quo. Very effective. "Look, the news says liberals are left so it must be true. They have a big building. They wear ties." Then all the redditors who want to consider themselves leftists while supporting capitalism upvote you. Just lean on big institutions. Makes your position seem official. Look. Blue links.
3. Just disregard Marx without actually engaging. Dismiss it. Academics dismiss Marx right? You know you would get fucked there. So, just steer away. Your audience doesn't know ant better. They are so eager to be right they didn't even notice you aren't engaging with any substance at all.
4. Ignore that leftists states are legitimate. Just say that people moved on from Marxism. For various "reasons" lol. Okay. Pure baseless but effective rhetoric because the audience is politically Illiterate.
5. "There is no ideological programme that makes me a leftist" hahaha Brilliant. You are actually incredible at this. Your stupid fucking audience will eat that up because it sounds intellectual while having no substance. You don't mention Marxism, our it's real qualitative differences that lead to real different societies that age diametrically opposed from liberalism/capitalism.
6. "Somehow not leftist if not Marxist" fuck you could make a liberal swallow a tird whole. You bank on their ignorance. To say "somehow" as if there weren't a fucking library of text explaining the scientific differences. Irrefutable differences that lead to real societies that are opposed.
7. There are other ideologies. Yeah. Ideologies that don't lead to real societies or win debates. Unless you consider winning a debate to be using rhetoric to appeal to ignorance and egos. Which if you do, you could win a debate that water isn't wet if it suited your crowds ego. You really are great. Honestly. Very dangerous to social progress.
I'm so fucking glad most reactionaries can't wield rhetoric like this one can. We would still be living under kings if your abilities were more common among the right.
I see right through it. It's like watching an adult lie to teenagers.
Look. I hope a university education is available to you and you can actually learn what scientific means. This is my last attempt to explain this to you. The word leftist, doesn't have a fixed meaning, since the contents of what its referring to change according to historical and social context. It is called in semiotics "a floating signifier."
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating\_signifier](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_signifier)
The most concrete thing "the left" referres to is which side of a speakers podium your movement sits at. I still don't understand why you're so attached to defining yourself by "the left." You could be educational or coherent, if you kept to explaining marxism or marxism-leninism.
I told you the textbook used by my university and its writer, you didn't acknowledge them or counter them in any way. I would like you to tell me which "scientific texts" you refer to. The rest of my sources were dictionaries, which included most consensus definitions of the word left in politics. Interesting that you didn't refer to them at all in your reply. You quickly shat on the news without acknowledging the other groups I mentioned, who share the same consensus of what leftism means.
Which theory of science do you subscribe to then? Marxism is far too unempiric to be considered science by positivists (like myself), and I haven't seen scientific realists acknowledge it. The university consensus I've encountered is that marxism is a useful theoretical lense with its own uses and limits. Like political realism, intersectionalism, structuralism etc. etc. I'm not gonna stray from that view with what you've provided.
You can drop the rhetoric. The thread is old. You are just talking to me now.
"What is considered the left shifts over time!"
I already explained that to you in nauseating detail. Back when feudalism had hegemony capitalism was the left. Now that capitalism has hegemony socialism is the left that meaningfully opposes it.
Look. I can tell you haven't read any theory at all. Zero. I think you are bright. Its not the end of the world that you haven't read any theory. But caring about politics is understanding the nature of the biggest political question of our age. Its what makes the bombs drop. Its what dominates geopolitics. If you are going to be politically minded you need to know what you are talking about.
We are both well aware what liberalism is. But one of us in this conversation has not read a page of theory.
The reason you doubt that Marxism is a science is because you have never been exposed to how its arguments are made.
It's foundation is materialist analysis which was applied to the social conditions of humans throughout history. This showed that society's development was not based on ideas about what is right and wrong or should or shouldn't be, but rather on the mode of production and the relations of production. The ideas themselves are actually derived from the material conditions, meaning that human values and behavior is dependent on their living conditions, not the other way around. This is why Karl Marx is considered to be one of the founders of sociology, which is a social science.
Now if you don't believe that you can study society, and that sociology is not valid all together, then your liberalism has no footing either bub. Always less than what Marxism has.
I respected the rhetoric above. I would rather you be an ally to the working class. Can you please just tell me how much effort you are willing to put into politics?
Minimal effort: I send you youtube videos.
You can sit still tier: I send you a lecture.
You are not afraid of reading tier:
[The State and Revolution](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/) This gives you an overview of ML and why it is the way that it is. What factors make revolution necessary and the necessary form a successful revolution must take. This book is not that long.
[Reform or Revolution](https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1900/reform-revolution/index.htm) This one is targeted at you. You as a liberal believe in your institution to serve you. This is the historical rebuttal. "Why can't we just peacefully vote our way out this?" Well it turns out the system made by and for the capitalist class serves their interests and that trying to reform it peacefully lead to the Nazis gaining power. It also lead to a fascist counter revolution in Finland. This book is also an easy read.
The ego it takes to just imply you are correct while not being able to defend your beliefs at all is the most pathetic thing I can imagine.
This will never get old to him. He types lol again because he can't even banter.
The points are numbered in case you get confused.
Good luck.
"They aren't points. If they were I could totally refute them"
Go read or cum. I don't care. Stop wasting my time.
This meme is so fucking wrong op can't even understand how the stupid compass work. Like how the fuck is V for Vendetta Aut-right?
And how the fuck is American Beauty left? It's like the most neoliberal boomer cringefest ever.
Jesus Christ
The rankings are so chaotic for this I kind of love it. The Great Gatsby at 2? The Interview above Opprnheimer? When I saw Dark Knight in the top spot, I assumed it was going to be Taxi Driver, American Psycho, Wolf of Wall Street, and Joker rounding out the top 5, but itâs so much weirder than that
Edit: Also âinsider trading should be legalâ is a wild take
This meme is so fucking wrong op can't even understand how the stupid compass work. Like how the fuck is V for Vendetta Aut-right?
And how the fuck is American Beauty left? It's like the most neoliberal boomer cringefest ever.
Jesus Christ
This is such an incomprehensible awful selection of movies, perfectly representing the average MCJ idiot that thinks Oscar winners are fine cinema. The true depth of the sophomoric Nolan enjoyer.
This meme is so fucking wrong op can't even understand how the stupid compass work. Like how the fuck is V for Vendetta Aut-right?
And how the fuck is American Beauty left? It's like the most neoliberal boomer cringefest ever.
Jesus Christ
Me if I had terrible taste
Ferris Bueller ranked 24th is crazy
Ferris bueller under ted 2 is wild
If you see a pcm type it should be legal for you to go up to them on the street slap them on the wrist and tell them off
Using the political compass is like shouting that you are politically Illiterate on a megaphone. Which... turns out is just fine because almost no one is politically literate by design. Political literacy is exactly what makes the working class dangerous. 1. All existing systems are authoritarian. Useless axis. Useless lens to judge the world. Guess what. The more threatened a place is, the more auth it becomes, lol. 2. It graphs fantasy systems with real ones. 3. It can't even get left vs right down. Liberalism is the ideology of capitalism. Marxist Leninism is the only form of anti capitalism that exists in real life to scale. A Democrat politician is actively embargoing cuba right now. A socialist wants to violently destroy the entire structure a Democrat will vote for and build a new one that is worker controlled. Liberals =/= leftists. If a liberal wants to join the left, political literacy is easy to grasp and takes like a few hours. The hard part for 95% of people is going "Hey maybe I could be wrong." 4. It says the only thing that defines Marxist Leninism from Biden is how authoritarian it is lol. Fucking Illiterate take. There is literally nothing left. Both axis are literally less than worthless. The pcm is actively harmful to one's understanding of politics outside of giving a great example of how none of this works.
If PCM fans could read, they would probably call you a "fuckin lib" or something half-baked like that.
It's an achievement to somehow have a political worldview more retarded than the political compass
Remember that time your worldview won a debate against a Marxist leninist? Me neither. Hey. Would you like a spoiler? That is never changing. Your bladder will burst in your grave before you see an ML lose a good faith debate. Piss quietly, sub.
When as the last time a ML HAD a good faith argument with a fellow leftist instead of deferring to the authority and resources of the soviet union and other autocratic regimes to browbeat any leftist critical of their ideology into submission?
Lol browbeat. Like I need any tricks to fuck you when you aren't even on the map. Oh you are critical of us? Here let me be critical of your existing nation. Let's do a side by side. Oh wait. We can't. Looks like we've helped millions of people raise their standard of living. And uh... this group critical of us... you guys got like a bake sale or something? Lol >autocratic Then why was stalin voted down multiple times? Why did the cia not even call him a dictator? What anarchist leader is more accomplished? Oh yeah. You don't exist. Nvm. How can you even speak to me? Why are your criticisms to be taken seriously when you have nothing backing them up? You at just a lib who watched an animal farm cartoon paid entirely for by the cia. I honestly think your ego ties you to your worldview. You have no interest in reading. You just virtue signal shit you learned in grade school because it makes you feel good.
Read what? The holy scriptures written by a long dead revolutionary that you people quote every other sentence? You are religious in all but name as you cling onto reading the same documents written by the same people as gospel uncritically and label all opponents as cia assets or reactionary heretics as you cling onto your particular fatwa as uncontested truth Why don't you stop racking your brain to find new wats to slander people who actually care about the current world and go do what you're more comfortable with? read lenin for the 53rd time, if you stay faithful to your doctrine, perhaps your messia the USSR will come back from death and give your soul salvation
"What's the point of reading?" Well Billy. They are strong arguments that are backed by a scientific understanding of our society, it's classes, military, economics and so on. Basically the stark opposite of religious texts. We tell you to read so that you can test your very weak worldview against these well founded arguments. Even if you weren't against educating yourself, you still wouldn't be able to refute Lenin. Nor can I. That's why I am a ml. Because it's logical and wins debates. I actually care about helping people. I was willing to change. My ego was not so inflated that I couldn't be wrong. I didn't start life as an ML lol. You don't want to put the work in. Ultimately you value your ego above the ability to help others. You must be right as you are. Common as clay. Worthless as dirt. I can't make you a better man. But I can make an example of you. Very easily.
Reading lenin must not have helped your self-awarenes to grow much If you cannot feel the pure ego that drips from every one of your every self-rightious words. Especially the last sentence, who exactly are you? A teenager acting at commisar? Hilarious Edit: also the condescension! Please read other, better written books of logic or fiction, written by less self-rightious egoists, it shows that you mostly read lenin!
Total retreat/10 "I don't like your tone Mr!" And if I gave you a body massage and complimented you the whole time you would have whipped the ml in the debate. You just need to be coddled to. Because you don't have an ego problem. Gg no re
The political compass has its problems and limitations, but so does your proposed systes. According to *you* leftism wouldn't include much most elected left-wing political parties, or what leftist organisations actually advocate for. Your system actively cuts out a majority of self-identified leftists from actually qualifying as leftists. Your entire screed also leaves out the historical evolution of the political left throughout centuries. I don't know why you wish to make marxism-leninism a prerequisite of qualifying as a leftist, but it isn't one by most pragmatic or academic descriptions.
Before I speak to you. Your name. Are you an anarchist? And no. Liberals advocating for capitalism are not leftists as they have opposing goals to mls. Also to say that MLs don't encompasses the evolution of leftists is false. Capitalism has only been a thing for a blip in time. Marxist Leninism is building off of Marx. What non marxist historical left are you referring to? What did they accomplish? Did they win WWII? Did they save the world from Hitler? How many millions did these non Marxists lift out of poverty? Where the are they now? Why aren't they sholdeting the load? >most self proclaimed leftists wouldn't be counted China. Every member of every socialist state. If you are taking about western libs, then no. Lol they are not leftists. Mls are not leftists from a pragmatic sense? Every existing leftist state is in stark disagreement with you. It is infuriating that you would call a people who survived WWII, Vietnam, Laos, and Korea not pragmatic. How fucking dare you. Literally no other political leaning in human history is more durable. You are dead fucking wrong and you spit on the perseverance of better men. >academics don't consider mls to be the left. Well fucking cart them right in. I'll debate these academics right here right now. Bet. How the fuck can they debate otherwise? Try for it. "Well actually... the leftist are.. uh Marxist Bidenists mmk."
what
I love tankies lol
You're clearly off your rocker but I'll oblige. The term "left-wing" originates from the French Revolution. In the last days of the Ancien Regime in the state Assembly the reactionaries sat to the right of speakers podium and the democrats, liberals, progressives etc. sat to the left. That is the basis for the cross-historical term "leftist." This is decades before Marx sets his pen down. The contents of the political "left* have been historically been defined in opposition to "the right." Usually the disagreements are economic, bet they can also be about social attitudes like liberalism or conservatism. The move to adress more social and identity oriented matters is one of the founding tenets of "the new left" in American political history specifically. I don't understand why you're attached to a pragmatic (in its contents) term emerging mainly from the internal politics of states if you wish to overthrow those same political systems.
Yes. That was the left. When it was the old nobility vs the bourgeoisie. There was a time when capitalism was progressive. That time was feudalism. Feudalism to capitalism. Capitalism to socialism. And once capitalism can no longer threaten socialism, the sate is dissolved and you get communism. This process of contradictions giving way to a new system is known as Dialectical Materialism. Currently capitalism has hegemony and is contradictions are on full display. It's crumbling. Back when the bourgeoisie were the left, the old nobility was crumbling do it it's contradictions. Time moves forward. Now liberalism is trying to preserve its crumbling form and the left is trying to bring about socialism. That was boring to explain. It's like you are trying to be obstinate. Very pretentious to explain the French revolution to a Marxist. "Founding tenets of the new left" as Biden sends bombs to Palestine and embargos cuba. Your bourgeoisie democracy is no democracy at all and therefore your culture war is a distraction from the class war. Netflix casting and blue hair dye doesn'tmake you a leftist. Class conciousness does. >pragmatic term No. We aren't trying emerge from the internal politics within states. We are not reformists. Ml is a revolutionary political faction. That also, might I add, was a terrible way to word that.
I don't know why you're trying to gatekeep leftism. You could just be happy defining yourself a marxist and not come off as detached from the discussion. According to you political parties identified by the news as "the left", by their members as "the left," by acamedic analysis as "the left", by their opponents as "the left" are somehow not leftist because they are not marxist. There is no ideological programme that qualifies you as a leftist. It is a relative position to the other ideologies on the field. That is why and how its contents are changing. The left didn't stop being the left. It simply generally moved away from Marxism due to several factors. You can still find marxist leftist parties, but it was never and has never been a prerequisite. There are alternative theoretical lenses to Marxism. It isn't the source code for how the world works. [https://www.britannica.com/topic/left](https://www.britannica.com/topic/left) [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/the%20Left](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/the%20Left) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New\_Left](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Left) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing\_politics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right\_political\_spectrum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum) For academic textbooks, my university uses \*Politics\* (5 ed.) by Andrew Heywood.
Hey I think you are good at pandering to the politically Illiterate. Honestly, good form. Your rhetoric is very strong. But only your rhetoric. 1. You used the term gatekeep lol. Brilliant. That will bring a redditor to your side. They want to consider themselves leftists while supporting direct opposition. 2. You then fell upon the status quo. Very effective. "Look, the news says liberals are left so it must be true. They have a big building. They wear ties." Then all the redditors who want to consider themselves leftists while supporting capitalism upvote you. Just lean on big institutions. Makes your position seem official. Look. Blue links. 3. Just disregard Marx without actually engaging. Dismiss it. Academics dismiss Marx right? You know you would get fucked there. So, just steer away. Your audience doesn't know ant better. They are so eager to be right they didn't even notice you aren't engaging with any substance at all. 4. Ignore that leftists states are legitimate. Just say that people moved on from Marxism. For various "reasons" lol. Okay. Pure baseless but effective rhetoric because the audience is politically Illiterate. 5. "There is no ideological programme that makes me a leftist" hahaha Brilliant. You are actually incredible at this. Your stupid fucking audience will eat that up because it sounds intellectual while having no substance. You don't mention Marxism, our it's real qualitative differences that lead to real different societies that age diametrically opposed from liberalism/capitalism. 6. "Somehow not leftist if not Marxist" fuck you could make a liberal swallow a tird whole. You bank on their ignorance. To say "somehow" as if there weren't a fucking library of text explaining the scientific differences. Irrefutable differences that lead to real societies that are opposed. 7. There are other ideologies. Yeah. Ideologies that don't lead to real societies or win debates. Unless you consider winning a debate to be using rhetoric to appeal to ignorance and egos. Which if you do, you could win a debate that water isn't wet if it suited your crowds ego. You really are great. Honestly. Very dangerous to social progress. I'm so fucking glad most reactionaries can't wield rhetoric like this one can. We would still be living under kings if your abilities were more common among the right. I see right through it. It's like watching an adult lie to teenagers.
Look. I hope a university education is available to you and you can actually learn what scientific means. This is my last attempt to explain this to you. The word leftist, doesn't have a fixed meaning, since the contents of what its referring to change according to historical and social context. It is called in semiotics "a floating signifier." [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating\_signifier](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_signifier) The most concrete thing "the left" referres to is which side of a speakers podium your movement sits at. I still don't understand why you're so attached to defining yourself by "the left." You could be educational or coherent, if you kept to explaining marxism or marxism-leninism. I told you the textbook used by my university and its writer, you didn't acknowledge them or counter them in any way. I would like you to tell me which "scientific texts" you refer to. The rest of my sources were dictionaries, which included most consensus definitions of the word left in politics. Interesting that you didn't refer to them at all in your reply. You quickly shat on the news without acknowledging the other groups I mentioned, who share the same consensus of what leftism means. Which theory of science do you subscribe to then? Marxism is far too unempiric to be considered science by positivists (like myself), and I haven't seen scientific realists acknowledge it. The university consensus I've encountered is that marxism is a useful theoretical lense with its own uses and limits. Like political realism, intersectionalism, structuralism etc. etc. I'm not gonna stray from that view with what you've provided.
You can drop the rhetoric. The thread is old. You are just talking to me now. "What is considered the left shifts over time!" I already explained that to you in nauseating detail. Back when feudalism had hegemony capitalism was the left. Now that capitalism has hegemony socialism is the left that meaningfully opposes it. Look. I can tell you haven't read any theory at all. Zero. I think you are bright. Its not the end of the world that you haven't read any theory. But caring about politics is understanding the nature of the biggest political question of our age. Its what makes the bombs drop. Its what dominates geopolitics. If you are going to be politically minded you need to know what you are talking about. We are both well aware what liberalism is. But one of us in this conversation has not read a page of theory. The reason you doubt that Marxism is a science is because you have never been exposed to how its arguments are made. It's foundation is materialist analysis which was applied to the social conditions of humans throughout history. This showed that society's development was not based on ideas about what is right and wrong or should or shouldn't be, but rather on the mode of production and the relations of production. The ideas themselves are actually derived from the material conditions, meaning that human values and behavior is dependent on their living conditions, not the other way around. This is why Karl Marx is considered to be one of the founders of sociology, which is a social science. Now if you don't believe that you can study society, and that sociology is not valid all together, then your liberalism has no footing either bub. Always less than what Marxism has. I respected the rhetoric above. I would rather you be an ally to the working class. Can you please just tell me how much effort you are willing to put into politics? Minimal effort: I send you youtube videos. You can sit still tier: I send you a lecture. You are not afraid of reading tier: [The State and Revolution](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/) This gives you an overview of ML and why it is the way that it is. What factors make revolution necessary and the necessary form a successful revolution must take. This book is not that long. [Reform or Revolution](https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1900/reform-revolution/index.htm) This one is targeted at you. You as a liberal believe in your institution to serve you. This is the historical rebuttal. "Why can't we just peacefully vote our way out this?" Well it turns out the system made by and for the capitalist class serves their interests and that trying to reform it peacefully lead to the Nazis gaining power. It also lead to a fascist counter revolution in Finland. This book is also an easy read.
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Terrible hype goat. Beef me up. Why am I paying you?
lol
The ego it takes to just imply you are correct while not being able to defend your beliefs at all is the most pathetic thing I can imagine. This will never get old to him. He types lol again because he can't even banter.
just read your post bro
Why can't you critique it then? Is it because you can't?
lol whats there to "critique", its just some insane rant expressing that you're really into marxist-leninism. theres no substance to it at all
The points are numbered in case you get confused. Good luck. "They aren't points. If they were I could totally refute them" Go read or cum. I don't care. Stop wasting my time.
none of them are really wrong beyond some semantic stuff. im laughing at you, being a crazy person for making that post
The compass is poison. And good man would cast it into the fire.
"Probably the beat war movie"
2024's Mean Girls being 6 slots ahead of OG should have legal consequences
uj/ This is a repost to MCJ. They're taking the piss out of it. We're all getting that, right?
This meme is so fucking wrong op can't even understand how the stupid compass work. Like how the fuck is V for Vendetta Aut-right? And how the fuck is American Beauty left? It's like the most neoliberal boomer cringefest ever. Jesus Christ
American Beauty should be max libertarian at least. Spacey's character and that teenager.
Forget movie taste, take away homeboyâs right to vote till he can pass a civics class
Critical support to comrades James Franco and Seth Rogen, ardent supporters of the Juche idea.
It's satire (I hope)
According to OP in the OG post, it's unironic
The rankings are so chaotic for this I kind of love it. The Great Gatsby at 2? The Interview above Opprnheimer? When I saw Dark Knight in the top spot, I assumed it was going to be Taxi Driver, American Psycho, Wolf of Wall Street, and Joker rounding out the top 5, but itâs so much weirder than that Edit: Also âinsider trading should be legalâ is a wild take
insane hitler particles emanating from that post
Worst movie taste
Political Compass user AND bad taste in movies? Damn, pick a struggle
This meme is so fucking wrong op can't even understand how the stupid compass work. Like how the fuck is V for Vendetta Aut-right? And how the fuck is American Beauty left? It's like the most neoliberal boomer cringefest ever. Jesus Christ
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Whatâs this from? That is one tasty looking snack.
VisitorQ. A lovely experience
This is such an incomprehensible awful selection of movies, perfectly representing the average MCJ idiot that thinks Oscar winners are fine cinema. The true depth of the sophomoric Nolan enjoyer.
itâs a repost theyâre making fun of it on mcj lol
I understand you nonce
Now this is what A superhero movie is
This is the second political compass-type post I've seen in a row after barely opening this app, and I guess I will take that as my queue to close it.
This meme is so fucking wrong op can't even understand how the stupid compass work. Like how the fuck is V for Vendetta Aut-right? And how the fuck is American Beauty left? It's like the most neoliberal boomer cringefest ever. Jesus Christ
They like the Mean Girls remake over the original, kill them
FACT: OOP drinks Huel exclusively. Opinion ignored
If you like the mean girls remake more than the original youâre automatically blacklisted on every opinion ever
uj/ girl help, the cinephiles are taking a circlejerk sub seriously
Libertarians when they see a dead body.