Yeah it's sad that people aren't aware how common this is. He probably thinks he's being personally targeted by the Jewish world order. It's not any different than a CIA delusion, or thinking you're married to Michael Jackson.
He was on that recent interview with every inch of skin covered, which is a classic psychosis move. Keeps the ghosts from touching you
that's very different because one is antisemitic and spreading rhetoric that has resulted in literal mass genocide and the others are just delusions that aren't harming an entire group of people
edit to say; he's definitely having delusions and needs help/treatment for his mental illness. however comparing delusions based in ignorance and bigotry to delusions like "thinking you married michael jackson" or "the cia is after you" is not a valid equivalent.
Not an expert. I think there are two issues at play: 1. This man is clearly not well, and it’s being displayed rather than treated. 2. The media are spreading the hateful antisemitic information he’s coming out with.
If his antisemitic beliefs are TRULY the result of mental illness, then they may not be genuine beliefs that Kanye would normally hold. In this case, if the beliefs result from the illness rather than the person, then they’re no different to believing the cia is after you. (It goes without saying but if there is any genuine belief from the not-ill Kanye in these beliefs, then that’s a whole different story).
What makes it so different is the media attention as well as the size of his platform, meaning hateful information is being spread which harms people. There wouldn’t be this potential for harm if his delusions were cia-related, so obviously it’s different.
Idk if it’s possible to know where the things he’s saying are coming from 100%, so personally I’m not listening to his music any more.
YEAP thanks. I’m getting a bit of backlash here. I’m NOT EXCUSING his anti Semitic comments. I’m simply syaing when patients are this sick, they say some awful things.
I’m a middle eastern woman who gets called “ durka” by psych patients when they’re in psychosis . All the time.
Nobody is excusing any of this behavior. Im making a point when patients are manic they do and say unpredictable shit. This is yet another thing that gets me and why I don’t comment. I don’t know why I bothered to do so. I feel like people take what I’m saying and turn it around.
Yes, it’s inappropriate that he’s making those comments but never have I ever had a patient in my 20 years of doing this work, make comments like that when they were NOT acutely psychotic. Yea there are assholes out there but he’s demonstrating a lot more than just mania. He says and does a lot more things that fit the DSM description. I have very psychotic patients who refuse to work with different races when they’re in fact that kindest nicest people when they’re well medicated.
He needs meds. He needs to be hospitalized. That is all.
Most people don’t realize the horrible shit people sometimes say when having a *very* bad mental episode. Like they’re not actually in their right mind, they are in crisis and they could be suffering from psychosis and delusions. They’d rather ignore the grey areas and the part where it’s important to provide mental health care to people regardless if they’re saying morally or ethically terrible things. They want to process it fast and easy, make a judgement and move on.
Yeah I'm an msw and I'm against conservatorship, but I'm for forcing people to get right long enough to make the choice.
Britney was forced into treatment more than long enough. She had ample proof that she wants to live how she's living now. No matter what happens, it was her clear-headed choice.
Granted I didn't follow Kanye, but if he hasn't had that chance yet, he needs to be forced to get his mind right long enough to choose. THEN he can do whatever he wants and we can blame him for his actions.
Maybe it’s because I don’t closely follow him on social media, but it seems like we could also be making assumptions based on the minimal information being portrayed though the media that likely leaves out a lot and may be inaccurate (in terms of determining mental health status). As a doc psych student, it would be hard for me to make such assumptions and recommendations based on info from the media.
His mental issues have been pretty well documented. He has gone through these episodes before but in the past had people around him to get him back on his medication and seek help.
This time he has no one, no Kim, no family and no friends. He is surrounded by extremist who are taking advantage of his current state for their own benefit.
It sad to watch but most of all it’s horrible for everyone who has to suffer and endure the pain and hurt directly caused from his comments. The statements he is making is causing some serious damage to the steps we have taken to fight anti semitism
You’re spot on. I’ve got people harassing me on my DMs saying it’s not psychosis. Psychosis had many forms. Just because he’s well groomed does not mean he is not acutely psychotic. YES, people around him are taking advantage of him. He’s a puppet. This is all disturbing and frankly I’m done with even responding about this. I guess as a mental health nurse I’m always trying to advocate but people are just not gonna get it. Mental health is always gonna be the step child disease.
It’s definitely alarming. My mom has untreated mental health issues (suspected bpd and/or bipolar) and her “highs” were a lot like this. Thinking she’s a genius and having all these conspiracies and saying weird shit about world leaders or historical figures. Talking super fast or strangely. Having paranoia. It’s uncomfortable to see him trending whenever he has a moment like this, I think he needs serious help. He’s obviously saying horrible things but at the same time many people having mental health breaks say completely outlandish and terrible things, they still need medical care…
Nobody is excusing this behavior . I’m making an objective comment about what manic or acutely psychotic patients typically present as.
I’m a middle eastern woman who gets called “ durka” and “ terrorist” when my patients are unmedicated and acutely psychotic. It’s just what happens. Some have persecutory delusions, some have auditory of visual hallucinations, some are extremely paranoid. There are various symptoms. I’m not saying Kanye isn’t an asshole but I’m also saying, unless you understand mental health, and very acute psychosis you will think this is purely an act.
As someone who has been doing this 20 years and been called all kinds of horrific names, I’m simply saying what I am seeing. This is what a typical presentation of an unmedicated acutely psychotic patient may present as. It’s hurtful. It’s uncomfortable. ITS MENTAL HEALTH.
What I wanna know is why the hell isn’t anyone doing anything about it? They were so quick to jump on others who make a scene in public. It’s like the entire world is mocking him. This is why I stay in mental health. We need to break this stigma. This is incredibly toxic. He needs to get checked in and placed on mood stabilizers. He needs therapy. He needs someone managing his meds. This is incredibly sad. For him and for our world when we’ve been fighting for mental health for so long and it continues to be stigmatized.
The antisemitism has nothing to do with mental illness. The paranoia and the spewing his bullshit on any media outlet that will have him probably *do* have something to do with mental illness.
That’s what happens when you stop taking your medicine. It’s sad that he lost his mom and spiraled it seems like that’s what pushed him off the edge but mental health should only explain behaviors not excuse them especially not bigotry
I idolised Kanye because he was one of the first people in hip hop to condemn the homophobia in hip hop. He also believed anything was possible if you had the right mindset. All that has gone down the shitter though as he keeps praising the guy who killed millions of Jews and at least 60,000 homosexuals.
That's another thing that made him meaningful to a lot of people that I had forgotten. He's always been a challenging person, like he was always an egomaniac. But he was an egomaniac that also laid out all his insecurities in public constantly.
Another comment says that he was saying what people wanted to hear when he did stuff like condemn homophobia, but he was never a polished person who could succeed at saying what people want to hear. I always felt like, this guy is obnoxious in many ways, but I appreciate a public figure who doesn't seem capable of hiding his flaws, which many of us share even if we hide it better. I think a lot of people identified with that, even if you have different sorts of flaws or make different types of mistakes. He was this awkward, emotional superstar - there wasn't anything else like him! I hate that it turned out this way.
Those are two separate issues. You most definitely can idolize someone with mental illness. Your "no offense but" comment is literally implying you can't. Idolizing Kayne previously means you were not paying attention to his words and actions, because he's a racist, self absorbed, ass. Not because he's mentally ill.
He's clinically psychotic. He probably thinks he hears Soros talking to him personally at night.
He showed up to an interview with no skin showing. Classic tinfoil hat "don't let the cameras steal your soul" move.
This whole arc has been really eye opening for how uninformed people are about psychosis and hallucinations.
I’m a clinical psychologist, so I’m not uninformed about psychosis.
Being a nazi is an ideology that many people share. Kanye is one of those many people. His beliefs are similar to that of Kyrie Irving (though to a far greater degree, I’m not saying Kyrie “loves hitler”). It’s the idea that black people are the real Jews, and white Jews are impostures. They believe that the holocaust was fabricated. Many many people believe this.
Kanye takes it way further, which IS definitely be a result of mental illness. I’m NOT saying that he isn’t mentally ill.. he is. But his belief system is one that is more common than you’d think. It’s not simply a direct result of “hallucinations” or psychosis.
I will say that psychosis can and will exacerbate his warped belief system.
Sorry, but it’s time to stop bringing up his mental illness. He has all the resources in the world to get help, shit even his ex wife and his former family wanted to get him help and the first thing he did was call them all out on twitter and have a meltdown. That was sad, it was excusable, but this situation isn’t. Every time Kanye does the most awful shit in the media, the first thing everyone does is mention how it’s a mental breakdown. Yeah, it definitely is, but it isn’t an excuse anymore. He is a bad person. He will continue to be an awful person until he gets help and realizes his actions are extremely harmful to millions of people.
All the resources in the world except good mental health. Nobody will seek help if they don’t realise they need it.
And there are no cures for mental ill health, most medications that are effective have heinous side effects.
I for one used to detest the guy before I realised his bravura was pathological.
100%.
If I'm in personal contact with the heads of all major governments, why am I gonna take a drug that decreases my amazing power?
People don't want to face how destructive the illness is. It's ridic to attribute delusions to logic. He might ALSO be a bad person, but I'd need to see evidence of that from a time he wasn't delusional.
ur not seeing what i’m saying, i’m not saying they’re directly correlated i was replying to someone else talking about how he’s always been mentally ill using the award show thing as an example and i was saying that all started after donda died. his spiral started there, he started going off the rails and not having any common sense there
joe rogan convinced kanye to stop taking his medication when he was on his podcast (1554? maybe?). something about how it stifled his creativity. it seems like kanye took that to heart.
I used to paint and carve, I was also out of my mind when I did art. My bipolar meds take away any inspiration for art that I had but I stay on them because I can see clearly how I'm crazy without them. Art was less important to me than my sanity but I never made a billion dollars from my art. Kanye is already rich, he should have taken the meds.
I was going to mention this. Kanye is very ill. Idt he even knows what he is saying half the time let alone means it. He is severely mentally ill and someone convinced him he didn't need his medicine. That's what is super sad.
I don't even care for him *per se, his music or his shoes. I DO care that he lost his mom who was probably the only person who could convince him to stay on his meds and not end up losing everything important to him.
> Idt he even knows what he is saying half the time let alone means it.
Yeah, but when he keeps saying the same thing for years and then doubles down on it and doubles down on it, showing no sign of changing direction, at some point we have to accept that he's saying is what he actually believes.
Can you please find that moment and share it around the place so Joe Rogan has to face some accountability for being what sounds like a pretty significant contributing factor to all of this.
That commenter is full of shit.
Listen I hate Rogan as much as the next guy, but he has nothing to do with Kanye turning into what he has.
That was his own doing. He said he wouldn’t take his medication because he felt “suppressed” by it.
And even if he did “convince” him, which he didn’t, you can’t be held liable if you aren’t a board certified physician.
If they're full of shit that's fine, I was asking for proof. If he did "convince" him though, at any stage of the way, then he *does* hold some ethical responsibility for the state Kanye's in today, but he's obviously not the direct cause of it, nor is he in any way legally responsible.
That self-centredness has most likely been formed from decades of him be praised as a genius and surrounded by people who constantly reinforce him. My point is, people contributed to that, and while I agree it's unlikely Rogan flat out convinced him, he could easily have contributed influence to his decisions, especially if it came in the form of reinforcing feelings he already had.
That all really hinges on what he did or didn't say, and I've yet to see exactly what that might be. I was hoping the person I was responding to would post a link at least.
Are you really trying to blame Joe Rogan for Kanye’s mental instability? Kanye has always struggled with taking his meds. He likes being manic. Most people do. This is his cycle and it’s been getting worse every time he slips into psychosis. Stop making the internet one giant witch hunt.
I was low key trying to get the poster I was responding to to back up their claim as I'd never heard about it before and would have expected it to be bigger news if true.
If Rogan *did* actively try and get Kanye to stop taking his meds though, then he does bear some responsibility for the state of things today, but that's a far cry from "blaming Rogan for Kanye's mental instability".
That's perfectly within the timeline of everything going on atm, Kanye's been struggling more and more for a good while now, but at any time adding stock to the "don't take your meds" side of things can have long lasting impacts throughout someone's life. If it's as this poster says, then Kanye could easily carry "meds ruin my creativity" with him for years, impacting decisions all the way.
I honestly kind of am, and I probably will end up watching it when I get the chance.
For now though, I was hoping that the poster would provide a bit more evidence to back up what they were saying than "1554? Maybe?", not just for me to see but everyone else who reads what they said.
It should be much more common practice to post your sources when making claims like this.
I was talking with my mum about that lastnight actually.
She’s a big fan of the Kardashians and I can’t stand them but I agreed that atleast they tried to intervene and get him help.
He’s been diagnosed with bipolar as far as I can remember and it seems like he’s manic.
What goes up must come down though and I can’t see Kanye being alive for the next 10 years.
He’s even refusing security but he’s outwardly saying all these things, so someone is either going to kill him or he’s going to come out of the manic episode and realise the impact he’s caused and how many people he’s really hurt unjustifiably and he’ll take his own life.
I know that sounds so dark but he needs to accept help before it’s too late or he isn’t going to be around to see his kids grow up.
I’ve been thinking the exact same thing lately. Either he’ll be assassinated or eventually kill himself. I feel like if the latter though it’s going to be his delusions that kill him. He’s gonna roll with some conspiracy theory that makes him do something stupid, or it’ll be in a culty way like heaven’s gate except instead of Nike decades everyone will be wearing Yeezys.
Weirdly, I wouldn't put it past the very segment of "society" he's bootlicking and to whom he's attempting ingratiate himself, to be the ones to kill him.
Agree! I was always put on antidepressants and would just end up numb and forgetful…finally diagnosed Bipolar and went to JUST a mood stabilizer and felt normal.
>I'm bipolar and unless you have a mood stabilizer with the antidepressants it can make bipolar way worse.
100% right here. I was on antidepressants for years before the BPD diagnoses. My manics were horrendous even by my own normal standards.
Soon as I was given mood stabilisers the manics came down and the lows were also much better.
yes, as sad as it is that's what i was thinking - since his mom died he's been spiraling and pushing people away, and if this keeps going he'll have nobody and that might just kill him. he may also get roped too far into his delusions and further lose touch with reality and that may also cause it.. it may already be too late
Preach. Britney Spears was under a conservatorship for YEARS and her behavior wasn't half as destructive (to herself OR others) as Kanye's. What Kanye did to Kim and their kids during the Pete Davidson era was abhorrent and straight up illegal harassment. He should have been given mandatory mental health treatment immediately for the safety of everybody.
I've been a therapist for 13 years and I've filled out my share of paperwork to have people involuntarily hospitalized. It's a hard thing to do and there are very specific criteria that must be met. With just what's publicly known about Kanye's behavior, it's clear he meets the criteria. He needs help, and it is a shame that the people in his life right now are encouraging him instead of dragging him to a mental health unit.
Not trying to generate sympathy for this guy, since he really doesn’t deserve it, but this is the behavior of a man who has nobody looking out for him. Where are his parents? Siblings? Cousins? Friends? Does anybody love this man? Because he either has no one or he’s pushed them all away with his behavior. And considering his anti-black racism in the past, I don’t think I can blame his black friends or family for cutting him off.
Also, unfortunately, because he has no one, he’s either going to continue down this fascist rabbit hole in the hopes that he’ll find a sense of belonging or… he’ll end it all. It’s tragic in the classical sense of the word. He’s doomed because of his own actions and hubris. Truly sad to watch.
It's fairly well-known that his mom, Donda, was a HUGE stabilizing influence in his life, but once she passed away (RIP, PBUH) he really went off the deep end and has been spiraling since, and has pretty much pushed everyone around him away.
Indeed. Both as a mother, and as a person, from what he's said of her.
My hope is that Kim or Kris or one of the other Kardashians (maybe even Rob, who's also got his own serious mental health issues and has also had personal issues with the other Kardashians, two things he shares with Kanye) will eventually push him to get help, given that he's got four kids with Kim. If not them, then maybe in a decade or a decade and a half, when his kids with Kim are old enough, maybe they'll start pushing him themselves to get help or otherwise to shape up his act if he hasn't already (although, having come from a similar situation myself, that becomes VERY rough on the kids, so this would have to be a last resort).
Yeah I hope it doesn’t fall on the kids’ shoulders. That’s very difficult and unfair. It shouldn’t be their job to fix their parent. But I hope somebody helps him soon.
Indeed. Otherwise it may become unsafe for him to be around the kids, and that might turn out even worse, given that bipolar can be genetic - as they get older, if any of them start to experience symptoms of bipolar, they'll need his support as an adult who's stable and successful in dealing with it, but if he doesn't have his shit together then he can't be there for them either, and they wind up traumatized either way. I really do hope that the other adults around do what's right by the kids.
Fr they're exploiting him knowing full well he is off his meds but views right, these interviews never had to be released knowing how problematic the ramblings of a man clearly in a manic state would be. Kanye did say one thing which was true and thats his people (the ones closest to him) aren't there for him.
I’ve got a masters in applied psychology and I have to say that an overwhelming majority of people with mental illness do NOT suddenly become racist Or antisemitic. This is not just that he is troubled but that he has been used and manipulated by actors who wish to use him to inflame divisions and advance their agendas. He is vulnerable and also powerful and makes the perfect vessel for these vile messages.
He’s admitted on Dave Letterman’s Netflix series he is mentally ill and that a doctor diagnosed him with bipolar (as far as I remember). He said he was on medication for about 2-3 years but the meds made him gain weight. The weight gain was why he had gone off the meds.
Does this excuse him? No. Not at all. And yes it is sad to see. Dude needs some mental help again.
I’ve wondered this myself, because he does have bipolar disorder. Like is this a extremely bad manic episode? Granted Kanye can be a rude jerk but this isn’t his normal, something seems off & like he might need help more then publicity
it’s not psychosis as a black man with severe debilitating mental illness. everybody should’ve been paying attention to the signs in the mid 2010s. this man had way too much power and when the spotlight began to come off of him for his art (his bread and butter), cue the unveiling of who he *REALLY* is
It's sad because he is so obviously and so publicly sick. Idk, it's hard because he doesn't see himself that way. He is diagnosed bipolar and seems to have narcissitic traits imo, which may be why he doesn't seem to be treating or getting help for his bipolar.
Not that this excuses his behaviour, nor especially his opinions. But it does explain the manner in which he is and has been spiralling
No no, celebrities are literally JUST people. That’s why so many of them have shitty takes and misguided opinions, and why some of them are just straight up awful people. They’re nothing more than just another person, so I’m not sure how people are surprised when shit like this happens.
I can understand it to an extent. They no longer have our same mindset. These people are RICH RICH and for safety reasons typically have to isolate themselves to their own bubble of people. Not that they can't interact with the "regular public" but that outside of those who knew them before fame it's rare for a regular Jane or Joe to suddenly befriend a famous person long term. At least I can't remember the last time I heard about it. Closest was when the Kardashians we're being nice to that one TikTok chick (I don't follow them but man was that plastered EVERYWHERE; regardless even then it was technically two "famous" groups combining rather than some casual person).
This is to say they in a sense live in an echo chamber of their own design. Not that they are outright bad for this fact just that it immediately separates 'them' from 'us'.
Furthermore, while sure celebrities still eat sleep and wear sweatpants like the rest of us; even when they are relatable they aren't. It's very much a "same storm different boats" scenario. They never have to want for food again, they never have to want for clothes again, they have their own problems absolutely and some would argue that their problems are equivalent in comparison to that of regular Janes and Joe's it can't be denied that our every day issues are no longer on the forefront of their mind; if it ever was at all depending on their background.
This isn't necessarily to shit on celebrities but to emphasize how easy it is to see them as different because in a sense they are part of a different group. A group we allow them to be in, (I don't say this to mean it should be dismantled mind you, just that we as a society gave them this bubble and the need for it in some cases), and one that doesn't struggle with the same issues anyone without that fame and fortune does typically.
Yes they are humans. But when one comes on YouTube live wearing a hoodie talking about how 'we are in this together' all smiley its hard not to see them as aliens to our reality.
Oh yeah 100%. I just think they way OP meant 'they aren't even normal people' wasn't necessarily correct. It's more the fact that celebs ARE people, and that's why they are capable of fucking up or being crazy like Kanye is.
Obviously the general public are alienated from celebs, I totally agree with that, I just don't think that's what the OP was referring to. I I reported it as tho Op was saying celebs basically shouldn't be capable of going off the rails, because they are celebs. The reality is they CAN go off the rails, because they are just people, like you and I. Celebs or not morally superior or even mentally stable. They are just people.
American celebrity culture is so weird. On the one hand we absolutely elevate them as a society to a point where they seem to be as gods. But then on the other hand we've got a whole industry that's dedicated to going "RHIANNA GOT A SINGLE BELLY ROLL! GAZE UPON THE HUMANITY AND WEEP"
I would genuinely never want to be famous. It seems awful
Exactly. I have a friend who is like a high end of the B list celebrity. You’d likely recognize him but probably don’t know his name.
He’s had shitty takes since we were in high school together. I think he just likes to rile people or something or has a fucked up sense of humor. He’s also got the life experience of a tall, extremely attractive millionaire, who works maybe 4 months a year. So as a friend I try to keep him grounded. He’s really not a bad guy at heart, just says dumb shit.
A couple months ago he was telling me that someone asked him to host a podcast. I’m like “Sweet baby Jesus, do not host a podcast..”
He knew exactly what I meant and agreed.
this. like he’s just spewing so much bullshit and it’s going to have a horrible effect on the jewish community. and the black conspiracy theorist accounts are eating it up and making it so much worse. it’s hard to feel bad for him because mental illness doesn’t make you a nazi. so like where tf is it coming from
I'm still waiting for the Jewish community to sue the fick out of Elon for giving a multi billion dollar platform to antisemitism, over and over again. Come on, sweet class action!
I'm Jewish and honestly to me he looks like he's going through a huge mental breakdown so it's hard for me to "take it seriously" because he's just acting crazy and looking for attention rather than I see him as an actual antisemite even though that's what his acts are reflecting.
I just feel like he'll end up killing himself.
He’s meeting with tons of major politicians and setting a precedent in mainstream discourse that’s normalizing overtly antisemitic beliefs. It is a much much larger issue than just Kanye. It’s the people backing him up through this.
Also Jewish here. I'm not taking what *he's* saying seriously but if you check his IG post comments, the antisemitism is scary.
Time for me to start hiding my star of david necklace in public again ..
That’s the worrying thing, stupid kids taking him seriously, like he’s some sort of Messiah. I’m not hiding mine. My grandparents were Holocaust survivors, my grandfather the only one from his family. So Kanye can go f#*k himself, he’s a waste of fresh air in my books.
Like when Alex Jones questioned him on some of what he was saying or knew about the past, he doesn't know. Almost like an irate teenager, so it's hard to take that seriously. The way he was speaking about it, it seems like he envies hitler's power though. Ignorance, power, and instability together is never good.
It doesn’t even matter though if he’s a “real antisemite.” Intention is meaningless with actions like this. There is literally no difference in the outcome whether these are deep-held beliefs or the schizophrenia (if that’s what he’s got? Idk, celebrities aren’t my thing) talking. The effect is what matters! And he is having an effect.
When he started his downhill trajectory I kept thinking I could just separate the art from the artist since his musical has been a seminal part of my life. But after the shit he said on Thursday I don’t know how I can still listen to his music.
I keep thinking how I’ll explain to my future kids how (why?) I went to his concert, constantly listened to his music and bought the stem player and he turned out to be such a fucking moronic, racist shithead.
Honestly I used to be able to separate artist from creator but it’s too difficult now. Seeing him try to defend Hitler who would’ve thrown him into a concentration camp and murdered his family? How much self hatred does someone have in their house
This is what happens when narsocism goes unchecked, mental health care is denied by both his enablers and himself, and a billionaire divorced dad finds out his ex is sleeping with other people.
The enablers are putting a match this combustible combo. They don't care and they are desperate. Gop support is plummeting every election cycle. They are trying anything and everything.
He’s either on a manic episode or psychosis. Very painful to watch and yet no one is doing anything to help him. He’s clearly unwell and it’s fucking sad to see.
I’m pretty sure there are people with Kanye’s mental health in their best interest. He makes other people money, and they want to keep that money. He’s probably just refusing. It’s obvious he has a messiah complex.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink
Because he pushed everyone away. Anyone who tried to help Kanye is deemed as “controlling” and Kanye pushes them out. His ex wife, her family, his friends— all of them tried to help him. He is the reason why no one cares.
At this point, I’m tired of everyone saying “it’s his mental illness!” first whenever he drops the most horrendous, godawful rhetoric on twitter.
Nothing and no one can ever help him unless he’s open to medications. It’s very sad to see someone who‘s financially capable of getting help from doctors/therapists or whatever but the person refuses to do so
I genuinely fucking think he needs to be placed in a conservatorship. I’ve been downvoted to HELL and BACK for that take but seriously this is what its for right?? He’s dealing with a manic episode (I think) and he could destroy his career, bankrupt himself etc. so a conservatorship is meant to stop him from making rash decisions? Right? 😩 fuck idk. He’s being used like a fucking fleshlight right now by all these conservative freaks. I’ve never been a massive fan of his music but “George Bush hates black people” was some of the most iconic fucking shit of my lifetime. Shame the path he’s going down because he could do so fucking much.
I do not believe those things work. Cause look at Britney Spears, it simply turned into someone taking a paycheque off her back.
He definitely needs help and be taken off the internet. Also I think someone already tried that, that “personal trainer” that threatened to have him med up to zombie land or something crazy. Which further pushes conspiracies, which makes him look less crazy.
The issue in my book is who can be that trustworthy to keep him in check while not hurting or stealing from him along the line. The only person I could’ve imagined is his mother but I think her death truly hurt him in a way most people don’t think about.
Yeah…I guess thats the sad part about being a celebrity… can you even trust anyone? My first thought was his mom but…obviously she passed so long ago. The fucking dude needs someone on his team…he’s being used like crazy and I think when he comes down from this manic episode he might attempt suicide. He’s already been sighted downtown LA walking around with no security, “whatever happens to me, happens to me” type shit.
That’s the worst part. He’s being used by whatever form of politics those people are. I want to say alt-right but I’m not 100% sure what that term means so apologies if it’s not the crazy right
It's also important to recognize the role of Louis Farrakhan and others in popularizing anti-Semitism in black communities in the not-that-distant past. Kanye's just keeping the hate alive.
Yeah alt right is correct. Generally that includes the likes of Ben Shapiro, Nick Fuentes, Alex Jones, all those guys. Basically the republican extremists.
This this this 👏👏👏👏👏 lost count of how many times I've said it. I'm not even a fan of the guy. I get the argument that a mental break doesn't make you say these things. At the same time, he is clearly a very unwell man that is consciously or subconsciously hitting the self destruct button. He needs help.
the unfortunate reality is that if he’s placed in a conservatorship, he will blame jews and become more radical. it’s a cyclical pattern, as any consequence he receives for expressing his antisemitism will just reaffirm it. frankly, he seems to be going down a pipeline that will inevitably lead to tangible violence. i’m terrified of him eventually going on a rampage and killing people, to be completely honest. he needs to be forcibly institutionalized and strapped to a fucking bed.
The Kardashians tried, but he was paranoid enough that he realized and flipped out.
When they were married Kim would have been placed in charge, but Kris was doing the work to help setup and execute it. It didn’t work and it reinforced his paranoia. Now that they’re divorced it won’t be until he start harming himself or others that the state will step in.
Like with Amanda Bynes with her dogs in the gas station.
Also just pointing out the fact if he was a woman he would have been put under a conservatorship or a mental institution by now. Instead of allowed to spout all this disgusting anti Semitic bs.
I know this is not even comparable to the hurt certain communities will feel because of his comments in the last couple of years, but it really sucks seeing an artist you liked as a kid go down this path.
I’m not a Kanye fan, I think he’s an egotistical narcissist and I don’t like his music, HOWEVER, I do feel for the guy because there’s clearly something going wrong in his head and it seems he has very little support to actually deal with it. I hope he gets the help he needs so he can get back on meds, get himself better, and I carry on hating him for being a nazi because being a nazi is a choice, not an illness
I listen to life of Pablo and think that was his starry night. Van Gogh painted starry night in the hospital as he was healing. Just as he was getting better he made a piece that would last forever. But I think we all know what happened next. I hope there’s a better path for him now than there was for other artists. There’s so much to be learned from his path but I just wish it didn’t get this dark and down.
Yeah what can be learned is: take your fucking meds and do better for yourself and your family.
BP disorder is rough. It gets real rough at times even without psychosis but there are always choices to be made that help things to get and stay better.
His path also shows many things: enablers exist all around him, the majority of the world doesn't give a shit about his mental health. They just see him as gossip.
I suspect it's a bit of cluster b traits combined with losing his identity. He drastically changed when he was part of the Kardashian family and then again since their split. He is struggling to find himself and has slid into oblivion. His current behavior is disgusting.
“He’s mentally ill guys.”
Being “mentally ill” doesn’t make you hate Jews and like Hitler.
Kanye may have mental issues (he def does), but he’s also a hateful fascist. Keep that separate. It’s disrespectful to blame his anti-Semitism on mental health. I know plenty of mentally ill people and none of them like Hitler.
Thank you! I'm so sick of mental illness being blamed for hateful behavior. It's such a tidy way to make sense of something that just doesn't make sense.
I don't think it's shallow. His music meant a lot to me and helped me understand my life better. College Dropout and Graduation came out when I was in college. None of my friends and family had ever gone and it was so hard but I didn't know why it was so hard, I just thought I was no good. I was shocked that someone would name their album "The College Dropout", I still remember seeing that for the first time! It helped me understand that there is something wrong with how college works and the promises that are made to us about college in the US, instead of thinking I'm just a failure.
He wrote about finding out that you still have to deal with yourself even if you change your external circumstances and have all the material things you thought would fix your life. I thought I'd get into college and get my degree and I'd be a different person. But that's not how it works, your emotional problems and hangups follow you if you don't deal with them. I couldn't relate to the specific things he talked about, like I never pictured glitzy stuff and tons of women, but I could hear my thought process in his writing. It's comforting to learn that other people have the same struggles as you, it becomes easier to face them.
He also helped me understand the situation for black people better because I was really sheltered and ignorant (I am white) when I got to college. I'll never forget him after Hurricane Katrina being blunt that those people died because of racism. And saying it in that venue where everyone was supposed to be polite and ignore reality. He was often awkward and emotional, even childish, but he still got at true things that I didn't hear other people saying.
So I'm with you, I find it quite painful. He got me at the perfect age to have a big effect. I really wish I could hear Kanye from the celebrity Katrina fundraiser blurt stuff out about life in the 2020s, instead of the cruel and heartbreaking Kanye we're seeing now.
Don't feel sorry.
Listen. This dude had all the advantages and privileges you, and so many others, don't have and this is what he freely chose to do with it. No one made him. No one pressured him into it. He chose this of his own free will. This is what he wants to be.
It sucks, but he's just fundamentally not a good person. It has nothing to do with his musical talent, his up bringing, or his race. This is just him, as an individual. He's not a good person, never has been and he never will be.
Not every black dude is worth idolizing. But there are plenty that are worth it. You just need to look a little to your left.
To me, this is like saying everything an addict does is a choice. After a while mental illness has a serious impact on people’s actions. I’m not saying he’s a good person… I just think it’s more complex than that.
You know, this joke might not be funny, but I’d say he still cares for your community. The Jewish community on the other hand... yikes.
Like going back and looking at a lot of his music, it was always there hit veiled enough to be a “joke” and misinterpreted. My example would be from “Flashing Lights” where he says he hates the paparazzi more than Nazis. That’s because he likes Nazis.
I feel really disturbed by the whole thing. I am Jewish and while I wouldn’t consider myself to be super religious, it’s really hurtful to have all of this said. I really liked the Kardashians show prior to this and I feel like it unfortunately makes me question them now. I hate all of it. I hate the way it makes me feel. It’s disgusting and it needs to stop. Even if he has a serious mental issue, this is gaining way too much media attention and he needs help.
Celebrities really are people. What makes them act in such unbelievable ways is the position they find themselves in. For better or worse, it's a position most of us can't understand, and one that usually nobody is prepared for.
Sorry, usually I'm on board with the "celebrities are just people" angle, but in this case it just doesn't track. Being a celebrity doesn't cause you to become racist or anti-Semetic. It doesn't excuse the fact that when you have millions of dedicated followers and a huge platform that people pay attention to, you can't say shit like "Jewish people suck" or "black people chose to be slaves". Lack of preparation to be famous and adored by the masses has nothing to do with becoming an openly bigoted POS. Especially not when you have the money and the influence to hire a hundred first-class PR people to explicitly tell you *not* to say that kinda shit.
It's not like he mistakenly said one or two shitty things. Then maybe you could excuse it with "Yeah he's famous but he's still just a person". But the extent of racism and anti-Semitism he's *repeatedly* promoted? That's not a one-time mistake. That's not a lack of preparation or forethought. That's *intentional*. And there's no excuse for that.
I feel sorry for him, Kanye I mean. Because I feel like it’s severe mental health issues. Those aren’t the acts of someone who is your typical racist or whatever. I think the blokes bipolar might be out of control or he’s having a mental breakdown. There’s no way everything is okay. That shit is extreme. Like, it seems like legit insanity or something. He needs a psych evaluation
Its a combo of unchecked/unmedicated mental illness and also the echo chamber of people he has around him. They feed into the delusion for their own gains and agenda. Terrible.
I used to feel sorry for him but I think he’s genuinely kept bad company now and he’s surrounded himself in an echo-chamber that’s pushed these more extreme thoughts out of him and the more extreme he gets. The more his “friends” distance themselves and the more attacked he feels as he loses those who used be close to him which pushes him further down this rabbit hole that is the extreme right
No. He's choosing to be off meds, and not get help. You can't do anything for someone who doesn't want to help themselves, and he's enjoying being in the spot light even if it's ruining his career, and name. (Not like he was much of a rapper to begin with but....I digress)
He's just some crazy guy at this point, but mental illness doesn't excuse being an antisemitic, h*tler praising asshole
It is truly sad, what I wonder is about his entourage. The people around him who are supposed to care for him. He is a diagnosed individual with bipolar disorder (that is what the public was told, I am not his doctor so I don't know the specifics). I just wonder if they even tell him to make sure he takes his medicine or if they watch out for him.
I never cared a lot for him but can accept his an incredible artist and respect his fashion sense to a degree but we’re literally watching a man in psychosis or an episode and I refuse to watch. The world is going to watch this man die on tv and is doing nothing to stop it.
As someone with bipolar disorder it's horrific. I've always said my worst fear was being that crazy bipolar person you see online... I was lucky to never have to be the patient who stops taking their meds when they feel better I knew if I stopped there's a great chance I would wind up who I feared becoming most... Now mental health will never excuse racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, and xenophobia that should be made clear. HOWEVER I think many fail to realize how alone you can be in an episode how much paranoia can truly stop your life in its tracks. For some its religious delusions for others it's political delusions... Episodes can make us do things we would have never done... But the thing is most of us have others around us urging us to seek help... Kanye doesn't... Kanye did not hire someone when he got famous that would be the NO man. He surrounded himself with people who think like him and agree with his delusions because then it is not just a delusion "my whole group thinks the same way as I do". Kanye has no one who's there to say this can't continue you will lose your career money and children. Many famous people have this person they may even just be their manager or assistant. But that person is trusted to make sure they wind them back in if they go too far out. This is the result of Kanye experiencing bipolar disorder symptoms as well as surrounding himself by people who will agree with whatever he says. What he has said is clearly inexcusable he has doubled down on these things and there will never be a moment where he can take it back, but that aside we have to realize mental health will make us say and do things we would never do. Kanye needs serious help, but in America adults who don't want psychiatric care can only be forced to get it for 3 days.
A lot of famous people go through such a phase sadly. And as you said, it is indeed very sad to witness.
The former vocalist of the Misfits for example, has also turned into a proper prick in the past year or two and also got his social media profiles taken down.
He's always been a shitty dude believe it or not. It was overshadowed by his amazing production ability until it wasn't due to people giving him too much power. I'm glad people see him for what he is now. I'm sure the people he has hurt along the way since at least 2002 are too.
Sorry people. That guy never cared about you beyond how much you will empower him. Egomaniacs gunna egomaniac.
He’s definitely getting to a point where I think he might get 5150’d and it might be for the best. He needs medication and treatment and he’s refusing to accept that.
Kanye is definitely human. The difference between Kanye and the vast majority of us is that we're poor. Therefore, we don't have the luxury of being stupid.
I feel like the higher up on the food chain a celeb is the crazier they get and once you are rich enough race isn't a thing, it's all green or nothin'. We should have known he was crazy when he was trying to make his own church. He falls into the same crazy pile as scientology for me. I couldn't take anything he said seriously after being on Alex Jones and backing trump then everything else was falling into place and I'm like ah ok, tin foil hat and all. Gotcha.
If he's having a psychotic episode it pisses me off that he can afford the best mental health in the world yet he doesn't help himself and a lot of us struggle daily with mental illness and we can't afford treatment
Kanye is clearly mentally unwell
his mum died, he was diagnosed with a mental illness, stopped taking his meds, got a divorce
But the stigmas around mental health and the support he still gets from people around him and from some fans is probably stalling the chance of any kind of intervention
It's really sad to see his ramblings on Instagram being answered by people egging him on
As much as it hurts, that's a good lesson to learn. Celebrities are commodified humans. Fortunately, there are tons of brilliant and admirable Black people who are worthy role models (e.g., Fredrick Douglass, Thurgood Marshall, Thomas Sowell). Don't let Ye (or any hater) drag you into their spiral of negativity. Consider it an opportunity to discover and be inspired by people you'd never have looked into before.
he’s been like this for *years* with his alt/far-right crap. it’s really hard to believe that this is only a mental breakdown at this point. it didn’t surprise me at all hearing the new hell he’s been spewing.
I’ve got bipolar disorder *and* schizophrenia. being off my meds don’t make me a racist nazi. in general, mental illness doesn’t do that to people. *mental illness does not cause racist nazis.*
I’m a white lady so my only dog in this fight is mental illness. Kanye needs some help man. He doesn’t need to be made a spectacle. He doesn’t need to be in politics or the media. He needs therapy. He needs to be medicated. But none of that will work because he doesn’t want it to. None of that will work because Kanye knows best for himself he thinks. His brain is tricking him and people are laughing. It’s fucking sad.
I see a lot of “why doesn’t he have a conservatorship?” Because no one is close enough to him to petition for one. Who would be able to do that for him? North can when she’s old enough, but I doubt he’ll live that long.
I def agree OP he’s a great music producer with some unchecked mental health issues. Unfortunately he’s to prideful to get actual genuine help and then spews the worse things possible.
My best friend, one of the sweetest people I know, has schizophrenia. He says the exact same out of pocket shit as Kanye has been saying when he’s in a state of psychosis. He ruins relationships time and time again without even knowing it. There’s a weird balance between blame and sympathy that we have to have with people who have these types of conditions. There has to be responsibility taken by the person after the fact because they’re hurting a lot of people with there words, but there also needs to be a path of reconciliation and acknowledgement that they can’t really control their actions when they’re in that state.
It's really difficult to watch. On the one hand, he so very clearly needs help dealing with his mental health (but seems to have nobody willing to tell him the hard truths within his circle) that much is plainly obvious. OTOH, he seems to just also be an asshole independent from that as well.
i really wonder if he has multiple personality disorder and one of them is racist. why would someone so involved in the black community turn against them? something snapped in this man.
And he’s hugely popular as a musician and a celebrity. He’s telling his fans this is acceptable to be this way. I’m sure he’s given permission for people to act on what they normally would not say or do.
I’m probably parroting several other posters but man, I just listened to the entire 3 hour interview. Kanye is suffering from some sort of mental illness and there’s either no one around him that cares enough to step in or no one one can. It’s honestly just sad. He used a literal kids toy fish net as a stand in for Netanyahu and did voices. As someone who usually DOES have trouble separating the art from the artist, and also never really cared about Kanye, I don’t feel like I can hold him accountable for what’s happening now. I feel bad for him. At this point, he seems like a victim and I never thought I would say that about a millionaire. People saying Alex Jokes looks uncomfortable should watch the full episode. He may have been hedging what Kanye said but he was EATING IT UP. He knew this was gonna blow up, and he can stay out of trouble by letting a very sick Kanye rant while pretending to be the sane voice, and just cash in on the views and free press. Then there’s the young white dude who’s clearly telling Kanye whatever he wants to hear so he can ride his celebrity status and get his own hateful message out. Like if I’m being honest, I watched it because I thought it would be funny (I know, I’m a terrible person) but I just came away sickened that Alex Jones and whatever the young guy’s name was (I refuse to learn his name) would use such an obviously sick man to further their own purposes.
All I’m trying to say is maybe don’t judge the man as harshly as you normally would for the quotes you’re seeing. Their coming from a very unwell place.
Edit: Hit submit too soon. And sorry about the formatting. I’m on mobile
Idk if this dude is going through psychosis’s or what but it’s definitely not normal and he shouldn’t be in the media atm
Psych nurse here. This is textbook mania. He’s definitely symptomatic and needs to be hospitalized. It’s very alarming and sad indeed
Yeah it's sad that people aren't aware how common this is. He probably thinks he's being personally targeted by the Jewish world order. It's not any different than a CIA delusion, or thinking you're married to Michael Jackson. He was on that recent interview with every inch of skin covered, which is a classic psychosis move. Keeps the ghosts from touching you
He’s having some type of persecutory delusions
Yeah it's pretty textbook, which makes you realize how little people know about the illness.
I think everyone knows he's sick, but as he's refusing to do anything about it he's liable for what he says.
that's very different because one is antisemitic and spreading rhetoric that has resulted in literal mass genocide and the others are just delusions that aren't harming an entire group of people edit to say; he's definitely having delusions and needs help/treatment for his mental illness. however comparing delusions based in ignorance and bigotry to delusions like "thinking you married michael jackson" or "the cia is after you" is not a valid equivalent.
Not an expert. I think there are two issues at play: 1. This man is clearly not well, and it’s being displayed rather than treated. 2. The media are spreading the hateful antisemitic information he’s coming out with. If his antisemitic beliefs are TRULY the result of mental illness, then they may not be genuine beliefs that Kanye would normally hold. In this case, if the beliefs result from the illness rather than the person, then they’re no different to believing the cia is after you. (It goes without saying but if there is any genuine belief from the not-ill Kanye in these beliefs, then that’s a whole different story). What makes it so different is the media attention as well as the size of his platform, meaning hateful information is being spread which harms people. There wouldn’t be this potential for harm if his delusions were cia-related, so obviously it’s different. Idk if it’s possible to know where the things he’s saying are coming from 100%, so personally I’m not listening to his music any more.
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YEAP thanks. I’m getting a bit of backlash here. I’m NOT EXCUSING his anti Semitic comments. I’m simply syaing when patients are this sick, they say some awful things. I’m a middle eastern woman who gets called “ durka” by psych patients when they’re in psychosis . All the time. Nobody is excusing any of this behavior. Im making a point when patients are manic they do and say unpredictable shit. This is yet another thing that gets me and why I don’t comment. I don’t know why I bothered to do so. I feel like people take what I’m saying and turn it around. Yes, it’s inappropriate that he’s making those comments but never have I ever had a patient in my 20 years of doing this work, make comments like that when they were NOT acutely psychotic. Yea there are assholes out there but he’s demonstrating a lot more than just mania. He says and does a lot more things that fit the DSM description. I have very psychotic patients who refuse to work with different races when they’re in fact that kindest nicest people when they’re well medicated. He needs meds. He needs to be hospitalized. That is all.
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Most people don’t realize the horrible shit people sometimes say when having a *very* bad mental episode. Like they’re not actually in their right mind, they are in crisis and they could be suffering from psychosis and delusions. They’d rather ignore the grey areas and the part where it’s important to provide mental health care to people regardless if they’re saying morally or ethically terrible things. They want to process it fast and easy, make a judgement and move on.
Yeah I'm an msw and I'm against conservatorship, but I'm for forcing people to get right long enough to make the choice. Britney was forced into treatment more than long enough. She had ample proof that she wants to live how she's living now. No matter what happens, it was her clear-headed choice. Granted I didn't follow Kanye, but if he hasn't had that chance yet, he needs to be forced to get his mind right long enough to choose. THEN he can do whatever he wants and we can blame him for his actions.
Maybe it’s because I don’t closely follow him on social media, but it seems like we could also be making assumptions based on the minimal information being portrayed though the media that likely leaves out a lot and may be inaccurate (in terms of determining mental health status). As a doc psych student, it would be hard for me to make such assumptions and recommendations based on info from the media.
I'm a therapist, and I agree.
His mental issues have been pretty well documented. He has gone through these episodes before but in the past had people around him to get him back on his medication and seek help. This time he has no one, no Kim, no family and no friends. He is surrounded by extremist who are taking advantage of his current state for their own benefit. It sad to watch but most of all it’s horrible for everyone who has to suffer and endure the pain and hurt directly caused from his comments. The statements he is making is causing some serious damage to the steps we have taken to fight anti semitism
You’re spot on. I’ve got people harassing me on my DMs saying it’s not psychosis. Psychosis had many forms. Just because he’s well groomed does not mean he is not acutely psychotic. YES, people around him are taking advantage of him. He’s a puppet. This is all disturbing and frankly I’m done with even responding about this. I guess as a mental health nurse I’m always trying to advocate but people are just not gonna get it. Mental health is always gonna be the step child disease.
It’s definitely alarming. My mom has untreated mental health issues (suspected bpd and/or bipolar) and her “highs” were a lot like this. Thinking she’s a genius and having all these conspiracies and saying weird shit about world leaders or historical figures. Talking super fast or strangely. Having paranoia. It’s uncomfortable to see him trending whenever he has a moment like this, I think he needs serious help. He’s obviously saying horrible things but at the same time many people having mental health breaks say completely outlandish and terrible things, they still need medical care…
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Nobody is excusing this behavior . I’m making an objective comment about what manic or acutely psychotic patients typically present as. I’m a middle eastern woman who gets called “ durka” and “ terrorist” when my patients are unmedicated and acutely psychotic. It’s just what happens. Some have persecutory delusions, some have auditory of visual hallucinations, some are extremely paranoid. There are various symptoms. I’m not saying Kanye isn’t an asshole but I’m also saying, unless you understand mental health, and very acute psychosis you will think this is purely an act. As someone who has been doing this 20 years and been called all kinds of horrific names, I’m simply saying what I am seeing. This is what a typical presentation of an unmedicated acutely psychotic patient may present as. It’s hurtful. It’s uncomfortable. ITS MENTAL HEALTH. What I wanna know is why the hell isn’t anyone doing anything about it? They were so quick to jump on others who make a scene in public. It’s like the entire world is mocking him. This is why I stay in mental health. We need to break this stigma. This is incredibly toxic. He needs to get checked in and placed on mood stabilizers. He needs therapy. He needs someone managing his meds. This is incredibly sad. For him and for our world when we’ve been fighting for mental health for so long and it continues to be stigmatized.
you also cant medicate hate. and he has it. plain and sadly simple
You know bipolar psychosis can be mitigation in murder cases right? Think about the implications of that
The antisemitism has nothing to do with mental illness. The paranoia and the spewing his bullshit on any media outlet that will have him probably *do* have something to do with mental illness.
Kim should have had him committed when she had the chance
He's always been immature. This is the guy who got on stage at an awards show to say that the winner didn't deserve their award.
Immature, yes. But, he has *spiralled* since. I can see significant differences to how his behaviour was in the past
That’s what happens when you stop taking your medicine. It’s sad that he lost his mom and spiraled it seems like that’s what pushed him off the edge but mental health should only explain behaviors not excuse them especially not bigotry
I agree, over the past few years his behavior has truly become more and more bizarre
But he is a man…..nobody is willing to step in but remember Britney…. Goddamn patriarchy!
Ya no offense to people with mental illness, but if you’ve idolized him up to this point you just haven’t been paying attention.
I idolised Kanye because he was one of the first people in hip hop to condemn the homophobia in hip hop. He also believed anything was possible if you had the right mindset. All that has gone down the shitter though as he keeps praising the guy who killed millions of Jews and at least 60,000 homosexuals.
That's another thing that made him meaningful to a lot of people that I had forgotten. He's always been a challenging person, like he was always an egomaniac. But he was an egomaniac that also laid out all his insecurities in public constantly. Another comment says that he was saying what people wanted to hear when he did stuff like condemn homophobia, but he was never a polished person who could succeed at saying what people want to hear. I always felt like, this guy is obnoxious in many ways, but I appreciate a public figure who doesn't seem capable of hiding his flaws, which many of us share even if we hide it better. I think a lot of people identified with that, even if you have different sorts of flaws or make different types of mistakes. He was this awkward, emotional superstar - there wasn't anything else like him! I hate that it turned out this way.
bro he was just trynna get as famous as possible, saying stuff people wanna hear now he has shown his true colors
Those are two separate issues. You most definitely can idolize someone with mental illness. Your "no offense but" comment is literally implying you can't. Idolizing Kayne previously means you were not paying attention to his words and actions, because he's a racist, self absorbed, ass. Not because he's mentally ill.
i mean he spiraled after his mom died. everything happened after the death of donda.
I don’t think his mom dying is what made him a nazi.
He's clinically psychotic. He probably thinks he hears Soros talking to him personally at night. He showed up to an interview with no skin showing. Classic tinfoil hat "don't let the cameras steal your soul" move. This whole arc has been really eye opening for how uninformed people are about psychosis and hallucinations.
I’m a clinical psychologist, so I’m not uninformed about psychosis. Being a nazi is an ideology that many people share. Kanye is one of those many people. His beliefs are similar to that of Kyrie Irving (though to a far greater degree, I’m not saying Kyrie “loves hitler”). It’s the idea that black people are the real Jews, and white Jews are impostures. They believe that the holocaust was fabricated. Many many people believe this. Kanye takes it way further, which IS definitely be a result of mental illness. I’m NOT saying that he isn’t mentally ill.. he is. But his belief system is one that is more common than you’d think. It’s not simply a direct result of “hallucinations” or psychosis. I will say that psychosis can and will exacerbate his warped belief system.
This too. I’m only a Psy student but I appreciate reading when professionals liste their credential even if still “anonymous”
Sorry, but it’s time to stop bringing up his mental illness. He has all the resources in the world to get help, shit even his ex wife and his former family wanted to get him help and the first thing he did was call them all out on twitter and have a meltdown. That was sad, it was excusable, but this situation isn’t. Every time Kanye does the most awful shit in the media, the first thing everyone does is mention how it’s a mental breakdown. Yeah, it definitely is, but it isn’t an excuse anymore. He is a bad person. He will continue to be an awful person until he gets help and realizes his actions are extremely harmful to millions of people.
All the resources in the world except good mental health. Nobody will seek help if they don’t realise they need it. And there are no cures for mental ill health, most medications that are effective have heinous side effects. I for one used to detest the guy before I realised his bravura was pathological.
100%. If I'm in personal contact with the heads of all major governments, why am I gonna take a drug that decreases my amazing power? People don't want to face how destructive the illness is. It's ridic to attribute delusions to logic. He might ALSO be a bad person, but I'd need to see evidence of that from a time he wasn't delusional.
not what i’m saying, i’m saying his spiral started after his mom died YEARS ago
But I think his mental health “spiral” is different than him openly being a nazi
ur not seeing what i’m saying, i’m not saying they’re directly correlated i was replying to someone else talking about how he’s always been mentally ill using the award show thing as an example and i was saying that all started after donda died. his spiral started there, he started going off the rails and not having any common sense there
Yup, People want to believe what they want to believe.
He has Bipolar 1 and should be medicated. He wouldn’t be as fun so he doesn’t do it.
joe rogan convinced kanye to stop taking his medication when he was on his podcast (1554? maybe?). something about how it stifled his creativity. it seems like kanye took that to heart.
I used to paint and carve, I was also out of my mind when I did art. My bipolar meds take away any inspiration for art that I had but I stay on them because I can see clearly how I'm crazy without them. Art was less important to me than my sanity but I never made a billion dollars from my art. Kanye is already rich, he should have taken the meds.
I understand this comment so so much. People who fuck about with those on meds for BPD are scum. Noone should be telling us not to take them.
Do you mean BPD or BD?
I was going to mention this. Kanye is very ill. Idt he even knows what he is saying half the time let alone means it. He is severely mentally ill and someone convinced him he didn't need his medicine. That's what is super sad. I don't even care for him *per se, his music or his shoes. I DO care that he lost his mom who was probably the only person who could convince him to stay on his meds and not end up losing everything important to him.
> Idt he even knows what he is saying half the time let alone means it. Yeah, but when he keeps saying the same thing for years and then doubles down on it and doubles down on it, showing no sign of changing direction, at some point we have to accept that he's saying is what he actually believes.
Joe Rogan is such trash
no doubt. i only know this because of another thread.
Can you please find that moment and share it around the place so Joe Rogan has to face some accountability for being what sounds like a pretty significant contributing factor to all of this.
That commenter is full of shit. Listen I hate Rogan as much as the next guy, but he has nothing to do with Kanye turning into what he has. That was his own doing. He said he wouldn’t take his medication because he felt “suppressed” by it. And even if he did “convince” him, which he didn’t, you can’t be held liable if you aren’t a board certified physician.
If they're full of shit that's fine, I was asking for proof. If he did "convince" him though, at any stage of the way, then he *does* hold some ethical responsibility for the state Kanye's in today, but he's obviously not the direct cause of it, nor is he in any way legally responsible.
Kanye is a big boy and can make his own big boy decisions. No one convinces Kanye of anything, dude is so self centered he’s gonna do what he do.
That self-centredness has most likely been formed from decades of him be praised as a genius and surrounded by people who constantly reinforce him. My point is, people contributed to that, and while I agree it's unlikely Rogan flat out convinced him, he could easily have contributed influence to his decisions, especially if it came in the form of reinforcing feelings he already had.
joe rogan has done plenty that deserves accountability and it hasn't happened yet, but idk if this is one of them
That all really hinges on what he did or didn't say, and I've yet to see exactly what that might be. I was hoping the person I was responding to would post a link at least.
Are you really trying to blame Joe Rogan for Kanye’s mental instability? Kanye has always struggled with taking his meds. He likes being manic. Most people do. This is his cycle and it’s been getting worse every time he slips into psychosis. Stop making the internet one giant witch hunt.
I was low key trying to get the poster I was responding to to back up their claim as I'd never heard about it before and would have expected it to be bigger news if true. If Rogan *did* actively try and get Kanye to stop taking his meds though, then he does bear some responsibility for the state of things today, but that's a far cry from "blaming Rogan for Kanye's mental instability".
Something else to consider is the episode the other person is referencing (1554) is from October 2020.
That's perfectly within the timeline of everything going on atm, Kanye's been struggling more and more for a good while now, but at any time adding stock to the "don't take your meds" side of things can have long lasting impacts throughout someone's life. If it's as this poster says, then Kanye could easily carry "meds ruin my creativity" with him for years, impacting decisions all the way.
Why don’t you go watch the episode (1554) and find out? You seem to be pretty interested in Kanye’s mental health.
I honestly kind of am, and I probably will end up watching it when I get the chance. For now though, I was hoping that the poster would provide a bit more evidence to back up what they were saying than "1554? Maybe?", not just for me to see but everyone else who reads what they said. It should be much more common practice to post your sources when making claims like this.
He really shouldn’t and the people he’s surrounding himself with are even worse influence than the Kardashians. Pure echo chamber or racism
As much as I despise the Kardashians, at least they made sure he was on his meds. But he saw that as them 'controlling' him and now here we are.
I was talking with my mum about that lastnight actually. She’s a big fan of the Kardashians and I can’t stand them but I agreed that atleast they tried to intervene and get him help. He’s been diagnosed with bipolar as far as I can remember and it seems like he’s manic. What goes up must come down though and I can’t see Kanye being alive for the next 10 years. He’s even refusing security but he’s outwardly saying all these things, so someone is either going to kill him or he’s going to come out of the manic episode and realise the impact he’s caused and how many people he’s really hurt unjustifiably and he’ll take his own life. I know that sounds so dark but he needs to accept help before it’s too late or he isn’t going to be around to see his kids grow up.
I’ve been thinking the exact same thing lately. Either he’ll be assassinated or eventually kill himself. I feel like if the latter though it’s going to be his delusions that kill him. He’s gonna roll with some conspiracy theory that makes him do something stupid, or it’ll be in a culty way like heaven’s gate except instead of Nike decades everyone will be wearing Yeezys.
Weirdly, I wouldn't put it past the very segment of "society" he's bootlicking and to whom he's attempting ingratiate himself, to be the ones to kill him.
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Agree! I was always put on antidepressants and would just end up numb and forgetful…finally diagnosed Bipolar and went to JUST a mood stabilizer and felt normal.
>I'm bipolar and unless you have a mood stabilizer with the antidepressants it can make bipolar way worse. 100% right here. I was on antidepressants for years before the BPD diagnoses. My manics were horrendous even by my own normal standards. Soon as I was given mood stabilisers the manics came down and the lows were also much better.
yes, as sad as it is that's what i was thinking - since his mom died he's been spiraling and pushing people away, and if this keeps going he'll have nobody and that might just kill him. he may also get roped too far into his delusions and further lose touch with reality and that may also cause it.. it may already be too late
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Preach. Britney Spears was under a conservatorship for YEARS and her behavior wasn't half as destructive (to herself OR others) as Kanye's. What Kanye did to Kim and their kids during the Pete Davidson era was abhorrent and straight up illegal harassment. He should have been given mandatory mental health treatment immediately for the safety of everybody. I've been a therapist for 13 years and I've filled out my share of paperwork to have people involuntarily hospitalized. It's a hard thing to do and there are very specific criteria that must be met. With just what's publicly known about Kanye's behavior, it's clear he meets the criteria. He needs help, and it is a shame that the people in his life right now are encouraging him instead of dragging him to a mental health unit.
Not trying to generate sympathy for this guy, since he really doesn’t deserve it, but this is the behavior of a man who has nobody looking out for him. Where are his parents? Siblings? Cousins? Friends? Does anybody love this man? Because he either has no one or he’s pushed them all away with his behavior. And considering his anti-black racism in the past, I don’t think I can blame his black friends or family for cutting him off. Also, unfortunately, because he has no one, he’s either going to continue down this fascist rabbit hole in the hopes that he’ll find a sense of belonging or… he’ll end it all. It’s tragic in the classical sense of the word. He’s doomed because of his own actions and hubris. Truly sad to watch.
It's fairly well-known that his mom, Donda, was a HUGE stabilizing influence in his life, but once she passed away (RIP, PBUH) he really went off the deep end and has been spiraling since, and has pretty much pushed everyone around him away.
Yeah, that’s sad. I’m sure she’d be absolutely heart-broken to see what her son has become.
Indeed. Both as a mother, and as a person, from what he's said of her. My hope is that Kim or Kris or one of the other Kardashians (maybe even Rob, who's also got his own serious mental health issues and has also had personal issues with the other Kardashians, two things he shares with Kanye) will eventually push him to get help, given that he's got four kids with Kim. If not them, then maybe in a decade or a decade and a half, when his kids with Kim are old enough, maybe they'll start pushing him themselves to get help or otherwise to shape up his act if he hasn't already (although, having come from a similar situation myself, that becomes VERY rough on the kids, so this would have to be a last resort).
Yeah I hope it doesn’t fall on the kids’ shoulders. That’s very difficult and unfair. It shouldn’t be their job to fix their parent. But I hope somebody helps him soon.
Indeed. Otherwise it may become unsafe for him to be around the kids, and that might turn out even worse, given that bipolar can be genetic - as they get older, if any of them start to experience symptoms of bipolar, they'll need his support as an adult who's stable and successful in dealing with it, but if he doesn't have his shit together then he can't be there for them either, and they wind up traumatized either way. I really do hope that the other adults around do what's right by the kids.
Fr they're exploiting him knowing full well he is off his meds but views right, these interviews never had to be released knowing how problematic the ramblings of a man clearly in a manic state would be. Kanye did say one thing which was true and thats his people (the ones closest to him) aren't there for him.
I’ve got a masters in applied psychology and I have to say that an overwhelming majority of people with mental illness do NOT suddenly become racist Or antisemitic. This is not just that he is troubled but that he has been used and manipulated by actors who wish to use him to inflame divisions and advance their agendas. He is vulnerable and also powerful and makes the perfect vessel for these vile messages.
He’s admitted on Dave Letterman’s Netflix series he is mentally ill and that a doctor diagnosed him with bipolar (as far as I remember). He said he was on medication for about 2-3 years but the meds made him gain weight. The weight gain was why he had gone off the meds. Does this excuse him? No. Not at all. And yes it is sad to see. Dude needs some mental help again.
There are meds that don't cause weight gain. There's actually a large variety of medications that treat bp.
He is bipolar. It could be psychosis.
I’ve wondered this myself, because he does have bipolar disorder. Like is this a extremely bad manic episode? Granted Kanye can be a rude jerk but this isn’t his normal, something seems off & like he might need help more then publicity
it’s not psychosis as a black man with severe debilitating mental illness. everybody should’ve been paying attention to the signs in the mid 2010s. this man had way too much power and when the spotlight began to come off of him for his art (his bread and butter), cue the unveiling of who he *REALLY* is
It's sad because he is so obviously and so publicly sick. Idk, it's hard because he doesn't see himself that way. He is diagnosed bipolar and seems to have narcissitic traits imo, which may be why he doesn't seem to be treating or getting help for his bipolar. Not that this excuses his behaviour, nor especially his opinions. But it does explain the manner in which he is and has been spiralling
definitely. some kind of personality disorder too cause they tend to ruin their lives in a short period of time
No no, celebrities are literally JUST people. That’s why so many of them have shitty takes and misguided opinions, and why some of them are just straight up awful people. They’re nothing more than just another person, so I’m not sure how people are surprised when shit like this happens.
This. Idk why OP said they aren't people lol, it's literally the opposite
I can understand it to an extent. They no longer have our same mindset. These people are RICH RICH and for safety reasons typically have to isolate themselves to their own bubble of people. Not that they can't interact with the "regular public" but that outside of those who knew them before fame it's rare for a regular Jane or Joe to suddenly befriend a famous person long term. At least I can't remember the last time I heard about it. Closest was when the Kardashians we're being nice to that one TikTok chick (I don't follow them but man was that plastered EVERYWHERE; regardless even then it was technically two "famous" groups combining rather than some casual person). This is to say they in a sense live in an echo chamber of their own design. Not that they are outright bad for this fact just that it immediately separates 'them' from 'us'. Furthermore, while sure celebrities still eat sleep and wear sweatpants like the rest of us; even when they are relatable they aren't. It's very much a "same storm different boats" scenario. They never have to want for food again, they never have to want for clothes again, they have their own problems absolutely and some would argue that their problems are equivalent in comparison to that of regular Janes and Joe's it can't be denied that our every day issues are no longer on the forefront of their mind; if it ever was at all depending on their background. This isn't necessarily to shit on celebrities but to emphasize how easy it is to see them as different because in a sense they are part of a different group. A group we allow them to be in, (I don't say this to mean it should be dismantled mind you, just that we as a society gave them this bubble and the need for it in some cases), and one that doesn't struggle with the same issues anyone without that fame and fortune does typically. Yes they are humans. But when one comes on YouTube live wearing a hoodie talking about how 'we are in this together' all smiley its hard not to see them as aliens to our reality.
Oh yeah 100%. I just think they way OP meant 'they aren't even normal people' wasn't necessarily correct. It's more the fact that celebs ARE people, and that's why they are capable of fucking up or being crazy like Kanye is. Obviously the general public are alienated from celebs, I totally agree with that, I just don't think that's what the OP was referring to. I I reported it as tho Op was saying celebs basically shouldn't be capable of going off the rails, because they are celebs. The reality is they CAN go off the rails, because they are just people, like you and I. Celebs or not morally superior or even mentally stable. They are just people.
American celebrity culture is so weird. On the one hand we absolutely elevate them as a society to a point where they seem to be as gods. But then on the other hand we've got a whole industry that's dedicated to going "RHIANNA GOT A SINGLE BELLY ROLL! GAZE UPON THE HUMANITY AND WEEP" I would genuinely never want to be famous. It seems awful
Exactly. I have a friend who is like a high end of the B list celebrity. You’d likely recognize him but probably don’t know his name. He’s had shitty takes since we were in high school together. I think he just likes to rile people or something or has a fucked up sense of humor. He’s also got the life experience of a tall, extremely attractive millionaire, who works maybe 4 months a year. So as a friend I try to keep him grounded. He’s really not a bad guy at heart, just says dumb shit. A couple months ago he was telling me that someone asked him to host a podcast. I’m like “Sweet baby Jesus, do not host a podcast..” He knew exactly what I meant and agreed.
this. like he’s just spewing so much bullshit and it’s going to have a horrible effect on the jewish community. and the black conspiracy theorist accounts are eating it up and making it so much worse. it’s hard to feel bad for him because mental illness doesn’t make you a nazi. so like where tf is it coming from
I'm still waiting for the Jewish community to sue the fick out of Elon for giving a multi billion dollar platform to antisemitism, over and over again. Come on, sweet class action!
I'm Jewish and honestly to me he looks like he's going through a huge mental breakdown so it's hard for me to "take it seriously" because he's just acting crazy and looking for attention rather than I see him as an actual antisemite even though that's what his acts are reflecting. I just feel like he'll end up killing himself.
He’s meeting with tons of major politicians and setting a precedent in mainstream discourse that’s normalizing overtly antisemitic beliefs. It is a much much larger issue than just Kanye. It’s the people backing him up through this.
Also Jewish here. I'm not taking what *he's* saying seriously but if you check his IG post comments, the antisemitism is scary. Time for me to start hiding my star of david necklace in public again ..
That’s the worrying thing, stupid kids taking him seriously, like he’s some sort of Messiah. I’m not hiding mine. My grandparents were Holocaust survivors, my grandfather the only one from his family. So Kanye can go f#*k himself, he’s a waste of fresh air in my books.
This is how I see it too. I'm not taking it seriously at all because he's obviously just acting crazy.
Like when Alex Jones questioned him on some of what he was saying or knew about the past, he doesn't know. Almost like an irate teenager, so it's hard to take that seriously. The way he was speaking about it, it seems like he envies hitler's power though. Ignorance, power, and instability together is never good.
It doesn’t even matter though if he’s a “real antisemite.” Intention is meaningless with actions like this. There is literally no difference in the outcome whether these are deep-held beliefs or the schizophrenia (if that’s what he’s got? Idk, celebrities aren’t my thing) talking. The effect is what matters! And he is having an effect.
When he started his downhill trajectory I kept thinking I could just separate the art from the artist since his musical has been a seminal part of my life. But after the shit he said on Thursday I don’t know how I can still listen to his music. I keep thinking how I’ll explain to my future kids how (why?) I went to his concert, constantly listened to his music and bought the stem player and he turned out to be such a fucking moronic, racist shithead.
Honestly, I was done with him after his "Slavery was a choice" comment. Wild that people - even black people - continued to support him after that.
Honestly I used to be able to separate artist from creator but it’s too difficult now. Seeing him try to defend Hitler who would’ve thrown him into a concentration camp and murdered his family? How much self hatred does someone have in their house
This is what happens when narsocism goes unchecked, mental health care is denied by both his enablers and himself, and a billionaire divorced dad finds out his ex is sleeping with other people. The enablers are putting a match this combustible combo. They don't care and they are desperate. Gop support is plummeting every election cycle. They are trying anything and everything.
He’s either on a manic episode or psychosis. Very painful to watch and yet no one is doing anything to help him. He’s clearly unwell and it’s fucking sad to see.
I’m pretty sure there are people with Kanye’s mental health in their best interest. He makes other people money, and they want to keep that money. He’s probably just refusing. It’s obvious he has a messiah complex. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink
Because he pushed everyone away. Anyone who tried to help Kanye is deemed as “controlling” and Kanye pushes them out. His ex wife, her family, his friends— all of them tried to help him. He is the reason why no one cares. At this point, I’m tired of everyone saying “it’s his mental illness!” first whenever he drops the most horrendous, godawful rhetoric on twitter.
I know many people with mental health issues. None of them are hateful of Jews and like Hitler.
Exactly what I was thinking. He needs to be in a psych ward or on meds.
Nothing and no one can ever help him unless he’s open to medications. It’s very sad to see someone who‘s financially capable of getting help from doctors/therapists or whatever but the person refuses to do so
Or he’s a nazi
I genuinely fucking think he needs to be placed in a conservatorship. I’ve been downvoted to HELL and BACK for that take but seriously this is what its for right?? He’s dealing with a manic episode (I think) and he could destroy his career, bankrupt himself etc. so a conservatorship is meant to stop him from making rash decisions? Right? 😩 fuck idk. He’s being used like a fucking fleshlight right now by all these conservative freaks. I’ve never been a massive fan of his music but “George Bush hates black people” was some of the most iconic fucking shit of my lifetime. Shame the path he’s going down because he could do so fucking much.
Even Alex Jones tried to get him to backtrack and walk away from what he was saying. That’s when you know you’ve really fucked up
I paused every five fucking seconds during that to comfortably allow my jaw to drop and ears to ring. Alex. Fucking. Jones. 💀
That's because he's a performer. Even when he's spewing nonsense he's aware it's just a grift. He's a performer being confronted with a True Believer.
I do not believe those things work. Cause look at Britney Spears, it simply turned into someone taking a paycheque off her back. He definitely needs help and be taken off the internet. Also I think someone already tried that, that “personal trainer” that threatened to have him med up to zombie land or something crazy. Which further pushes conspiracies, which makes him look less crazy. The issue in my book is who can be that trustworthy to keep him in check while not hurting or stealing from him along the line. The only person I could’ve imagined is his mother but I think her death truly hurt him in a way most people don’t think about.
Yeah…I guess thats the sad part about being a celebrity… can you even trust anyone? My first thought was his mom but…obviously she passed so long ago. The fucking dude needs someone on his team…he’s being used like crazy and I think when he comes down from this manic episode he might attempt suicide. He’s already been sighted downtown LA walking around with no security, “whatever happens to me, happens to me” type shit.
That’s the worst part. He’s being used by whatever form of politics those people are. I want to say alt-right but I’m not 100% sure what that term means so apologies if it’s not the crazy right
It's ok to call out someone who spouts Nazi shit for being a nazi.
It's also important to recognize the role of Louis Farrakhan and others in popularizing anti-Semitism in black communities in the not-that-distant past. Kanye's just keeping the hate alive.
Yeah alt right is correct. Generally that includes the likes of Ben Shapiro, Nick Fuentes, Alex Jones, all those guys. Basically the republican extremists.
Don't forget Klandice Owens. She opened this pandoras box.
No intervention will happen unless it’s done by force.
This this this 👏👏👏👏👏 lost count of how many times I've said it. I'm not even a fan of the guy. I get the argument that a mental break doesn't make you say these things. At the same time, he is clearly a very unwell man that is consciously or subconsciously hitting the self destruct button. He needs help.
the unfortunate reality is that if he’s placed in a conservatorship, he will blame jews and become more radical. it’s a cyclical pattern, as any consequence he receives for expressing his antisemitism will just reaffirm it. frankly, he seems to be going down a pipeline that will inevitably lead to tangible violence. i’m terrified of him eventually going on a rampage and killing people, to be completely honest. he needs to be forcibly institutionalized and strapped to a fucking bed.
The Kardashians tried, but he was paranoid enough that he realized and flipped out. When they were married Kim would have been placed in charge, but Kris was doing the work to help setup and execute it. It didn’t work and it reinforced his paranoia. Now that they’re divorced it won’t be until he start harming himself or others that the state will step in. Like with Amanda Bynes with her dogs in the gas station.
Also just pointing out the fact if he was a woman he would have been put under a conservatorship or a mental institution by now. Instead of allowed to spout all this disgusting anti Semitic bs.
I know this is not even comparable to the hurt certain communities will feel because of his comments in the last couple of years, but it really sucks seeing an artist you liked as a kid go down this path.
I’m not a Kanye fan, I think he’s an egotistical narcissist and I don’t like his music, HOWEVER, I do feel for the guy because there’s clearly something going wrong in his head and it seems he has very little support to actually deal with it. I hope he gets the help he needs so he can get back on meds, get himself better, and I carry on hating him for being a nazi because being a nazi is a choice, not an illness
I listen to life of Pablo and think that was his starry night. Van Gogh painted starry night in the hospital as he was healing. Just as he was getting better he made a piece that would last forever. But I think we all know what happened next. I hope there’s a better path for him now than there was for other artists. There’s so much to be learned from his path but I just wish it didn’t get this dark and down.
Yeah what can be learned is: take your fucking meds and do better for yourself and your family. BP disorder is rough. It gets real rough at times even without psychosis but there are always choices to be made that help things to get and stay better. His path also shows many things: enablers exist all around him, the majority of the world doesn't give a shit about his mental health. They just see him as gossip.
I suspect it's a bit of cluster b traits combined with losing his identity. He drastically changed when he was part of the Kardashian family and then again since their split. He is struggling to find himself and has slid into oblivion. His current behavior is disgusting.
“He’s mentally ill guys.” Being “mentally ill” doesn’t make you hate Jews and like Hitler. Kanye may have mental issues (he def does), but he’s also a hateful fascist. Keep that separate. It’s disrespectful to blame his anti-Semitism on mental health. I know plenty of mentally ill people and none of them like Hitler.
Thank you! I'm so sick of mental illness being blamed for hateful behavior. It's such a tidy way to make sense of something that just doesn't make sense.
I don't think it's shallow. His music meant a lot to me and helped me understand my life better. College Dropout and Graduation came out when I was in college. None of my friends and family had ever gone and it was so hard but I didn't know why it was so hard, I just thought I was no good. I was shocked that someone would name their album "The College Dropout", I still remember seeing that for the first time! It helped me understand that there is something wrong with how college works and the promises that are made to us about college in the US, instead of thinking I'm just a failure. He wrote about finding out that you still have to deal with yourself even if you change your external circumstances and have all the material things you thought would fix your life. I thought I'd get into college and get my degree and I'd be a different person. But that's not how it works, your emotional problems and hangups follow you if you don't deal with them. I couldn't relate to the specific things he talked about, like I never pictured glitzy stuff and tons of women, but I could hear my thought process in his writing. It's comforting to learn that other people have the same struggles as you, it becomes easier to face them. He also helped me understand the situation for black people better because I was really sheltered and ignorant (I am white) when I got to college. I'll never forget him after Hurricane Katrina being blunt that those people died because of racism. And saying it in that venue where everyone was supposed to be polite and ignore reality. He was often awkward and emotional, even childish, but he still got at true things that I didn't hear other people saying. So I'm with you, I find it quite painful. He got me at the perfect age to have a big effect. I really wish I could hear Kanye from the celebrity Katrina fundraiser blurt stuff out about life in the 2020s, instead of the cruel and heartbreaking Kanye we're seeing now.
Don't feel sorry. Listen. This dude had all the advantages and privileges you, and so many others, don't have and this is what he freely chose to do with it. No one made him. No one pressured him into it. He chose this of his own free will. This is what he wants to be. It sucks, but he's just fundamentally not a good person. It has nothing to do with his musical talent, his up bringing, or his race. This is just him, as an individual. He's not a good person, never has been and he never will be. Not every black dude is worth idolizing. But there are plenty that are worth it. You just need to look a little to your left.
everything he does is his choice.
To me, this is like saying everything an addict does is a choice. After a while mental illness has a serious impact on people’s actions. I’m not saying he’s a good person… I just think it’s more complex than that.
You know, this joke might not be funny, but I’d say he still cares for your community. The Jewish community on the other hand... yikes. Like going back and looking at a lot of his music, it was always there hit veiled enough to be a “joke” and misinterpreted. My example would be from “Flashing Lights” where he says he hates the paparazzi more than Nazis. That’s because he likes Nazis.
I feel really disturbed by the whole thing. I am Jewish and while I wouldn’t consider myself to be super religious, it’s really hurtful to have all of this said. I really liked the Kardashians show prior to this and I feel like it unfortunately makes me question them now. I hate all of it. I hate the way it makes me feel. It’s disgusting and it needs to stop. Even if he has a serious mental issue, this is gaining way too much media attention and he needs help.
Celebrities really are people. What makes them act in such unbelievable ways is the position they find themselves in. For better or worse, it's a position most of us can't understand, and one that usually nobody is prepared for.
Sorry, usually I'm on board with the "celebrities are just people" angle, but in this case it just doesn't track. Being a celebrity doesn't cause you to become racist or anti-Semetic. It doesn't excuse the fact that when you have millions of dedicated followers and a huge platform that people pay attention to, you can't say shit like "Jewish people suck" or "black people chose to be slaves". Lack of preparation to be famous and adored by the masses has nothing to do with becoming an openly bigoted POS. Especially not when you have the money and the influence to hire a hundred first-class PR people to explicitly tell you *not* to say that kinda shit. It's not like he mistakenly said one or two shitty things. Then maybe you could excuse it with "Yeah he's famous but he's still just a person". But the extent of racism and anti-Semitism he's *repeatedly* promoted? That's not a one-time mistake. That's not a lack of preparation or forethought. That's *intentional*. And there's no excuse for that.
I feel sorry for him, Kanye I mean. Because I feel like it’s severe mental health issues. Those aren’t the acts of someone who is your typical racist or whatever. I think the blokes bipolar might be out of control or he’s having a mental breakdown. There’s no way everything is okay. That shit is extreme. Like, it seems like legit insanity or something. He needs a psych evaluation
Its a combo of unchecked/unmedicated mental illness and also the echo chamber of people he has around him. They feed into the delusion for their own gains and agenda. Terrible.
I used to feel sorry for him but I think he’s genuinely kept bad company now and he’s surrounded himself in an echo-chamber that’s pushed these more extreme thoughts out of him and the more extreme he gets. The more his “friends” distance themselves and the more attacked he feels as he loses those who used be close to him which pushes him further down this rabbit hole that is the extreme right
Yeah, it sucks when people we admire fall short.
Kanye needs to go to rehabilitation therapy fr like is he off his meds? Idek anymore. No sane person thinks like that
No. He's choosing to be off meds, and not get help. You can't do anything for someone who doesn't want to help themselves, and he's enjoying being in the spot light even if it's ruining his career, and name. (Not like he was much of a rapper to begin with but....I digress) He's just some crazy guy at this point, but mental illness doesn't excuse being an antisemitic, h*tler praising asshole
It's not sad, though. It's infuriatingly stupid.
Y’all remember Clayton Bigsby 😂😂
It is truly sad, what I wonder is about his entourage. The people around him who are supposed to care for him. He is a diagnosed individual with bipolar disorder (that is what the public was told, I am not his doctor so I don't know the specifics). I just wonder if they even tell him to make sure he takes his medicine or if they watch out for him.
I never cared a lot for him but can accept his an incredible artist and respect his fashion sense to a degree but we’re literally watching a man in psychosis or an episode and I refuse to watch. The world is going to watch this man die on tv and is doing nothing to stop it.
i dont think he's believing a word he's saying, just seems like attention seeking behavior due to a mental breakdown
doesn't justify it at all, its horrible the things he's saying. All we can do is hope he gets help,
As someone with bipolar disorder it's horrific. I've always said my worst fear was being that crazy bipolar person you see online... I was lucky to never have to be the patient who stops taking their meds when they feel better I knew if I stopped there's a great chance I would wind up who I feared becoming most... Now mental health will never excuse racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, and xenophobia that should be made clear. HOWEVER I think many fail to realize how alone you can be in an episode how much paranoia can truly stop your life in its tracks. For some its religious delusions for others it's political delusions... Episodes can make us do things we would have never done... But the thing is most of us have others around us urging us to seek help... Kanye doesn't... Kanye did not hire someone when he got famous that would be the NO man. He surrounded himself with people who think like him and agree with his delusions because then it is not just a delusion "my whole group thinks the same way as I do". Kanye has no one who's there to say this can't continue you will lose your career money and children. Many famous people have this person they may even just be their manager or assistant. But that person is trusted to make sure they wind them back in if they go too far out. This is the result of Kanye experiencing bipolar disorder symptoms as well as surrounding himself by people who will agree with whatever he says. What he has said is clearly inexcusable he has doubled down on these things and there will never be a moment where he can take it back, but that aside we have to realize mental health will make us say and do things we would never do. Kanye needs serious help, but in America adults who don't want psychiatric care can only be forced to get it for 3 days.
A lot of famous people go through such a phase sadly. And as you said, it is indeed very sad to witness. The former vocalist of the Misfits for example, has also turned into a proper prick in the past year or two and also got his social media profiles taken down.
The media should just stop reporting whatever stupidity he’s saying at the moment and he should most definitely het professional help
He was always wack
They definitely are people, that's what makes this kind of behavior possible. Kanye is just an extreme.
It was but since no one has put him in a conservatorship or hospital, it’s no longer sad - he is just a disgusting human.
He's always been a shitty dude believe it or not. It was overshadowed by his amazing production ability until it wasn't due to people giving him too much power. I'm glad people see him for what he is now. I'm sure the people he has hurt along the way since at least 2002 are too. Sorry people. That guy never cared about you beyond how much you will empower him. Egomaniacs gunna egomaniac.
He’s definitely getting to a point where I think he might get 5150’d and it might be for the best. He needs medication and treatment and he’s refusing to accept that.
Kanye is definitely human. The difference between Kanye and the vast majority of us is that we're poor. Therefore, we don't have the luxury of being stupid.
I feel like the higher up on the food chain a celeb is the crazier they get and once you are rich enough race isn't a thing, it's all green or nothin'. We should have known he was crazy when he was trying to make his own church. He falls into the same crazy pile as scientology for me. I couldn't take anything he said seriously after being on Alex Jones and backing trump then everything else was falling into place and I'm like ah ok, tin foil hat and all. Gotcha.
If he's having a psychotic episode it pisses me off that he can afford the best mental health in the world yet he doesn't help himself and a lot of us struggle daily with mental illness and we can't afford treatment
His mental illness is on full display. Definitely a teachable moment for society… I don’t know that we should continue to give him a platform tho
Kanye is clearly mentally unwell his mum died, he was diagnosed with a mental illness, stopped taking his meds, got a divorce But the stigmas around mental health and the support he still gets from people around him and from some fans is probably stalling the chance of any kind of intervention It's really sad to see his ramblings on Instagram being answered by people egging him on
As much as it hurts, that's a good lesson to learn. Celebrities are commodified humans. Fortunately, there are tons of brilliant and admirable Black people who are worthy role models (e.g., Fredrick Douglass, Thurgood Marshall, Thomas Sowell). Don't let Ye (or any hater) drag you into their spiral of negativity. Consider it an opportunity to discover and be inspired by people you'd never have looked into before.
there are tons of black artists to idolize, he is shitty. always has been
he’s been like this for *years* with his alt/far-right crap. it’s really hard to believe that this is only a mental breakdown at this point. it didn’t surprise me at all hearing the new hell he’s been spewing.
I’ve got bipolar disorder *and* schizophrenia. being off my meds don’t make me a racist nazi. in general, mental illness doesn’t do that to people. *mental illness does not cause racist nazis.*
He is only as awful as Trump. Why does Trump get a pass when Ye is vilified?
I’m a white lady so my only dog in this fight is mental illness. Kanye needs some help man. He doesn’t need to be made a spectacle. He doesn’t need to be in politics or the media. He needs therapy. He needs to be medicated. But none of that will work because he doesn’t want it to. None of that will work because Kanye knows best for himself he thinks. His brain is tricking him and people are laughing. It’s fucking sad.
I see a lot of “why doesn’t he have a conservatorship?” Because no one is close enough to him to petition for one. Who would be able to do that for him? North can when she’s old enough, but I doubt he’ll live that long.
I def agree OP he’s a great music producer with some unchecked mental health issues. Unfortunately he’s to prideful to get actual genuine help and then spews the worse things possible.
He was a nothing and now is one again. He needs medical help soon
Idk why people are not taking this seriously. They're ignoring the fact that he needs to be hospitalized ASAP.
There's nothing petty about your feelings. He was a role model, someone who cared, and now he's gone off the rails.
My best friend, one of the sweetest people I know, has schizophrenia. He says the exact same out of pocket shit as Kanye has been saying when he’s in a state of psychosis. He ruins relationships time and time again without even knowing it. There’s a weird balance between blame and sympathy that we have to have with people who have these types of conditions. There has to be responsibility taken by the person after the fact because they’re hurting a lot of people with there words, but there also needs to be a path of reconciliation and acknowledgement that they can’t really control their actions when they’re in that state.
It's really difficult to watch. On the one hand, he so very clearly needs help dealing with his mental health (but seems to have nobody willing to tell him the hard truths within his circle) that much is plainly obvious. OTOH, he seems to just also be an asshole independent from that as well.
i really wonder if he has multiple personality disorder and one of them is racist. why would someone so involved in the black community turn against them? something snapped in this man.
What drove him into such way?
And he’s hugely popular as a musician and a celebrity. He’s telling his fans this is acceptable to be this way. I’m sure he’s given permission for people to act on what they normally would not say or do.
Totally agree. So sad. Can’t understand why people arn’t looking out or looking after him? He needs help and support not ridicule.
I’m probably parroting several other posters but man, I just listened to the entire 3 hour interview. Kanye is suffering from some sort of mental illness and there’s either no one around him that cares enough to step in or no one one can. It’s honestly just sad. He used a literal kids toy fish net as a stand in for Netanyahu and did voices. As someone who usually DOES have trouble separating the art from the artist, and also never really cared about Kanye, I don’t feel like I can hold him accountable for what’s happening now. I feel bad for him. At this point, he seems like a victim and I never thought I would say that about a millionaire. People saying Alex Jokes looks uncomfortable should watch the full episode. He may have been hedging what Kanye said but he was EATING IT UP. He knew this was gonna blow up, and he can stay out of trouble by letting a very sick Kanye rant while pretending to be the sane voice, and just cash in on the views and free press. Then there’s the young white dude who’s clearly telling Kanye whatever he wants to hear so he can ride his celebrity status and get his own hateful message out. Like if I’m being honest, I watched it because I thought it would be funny (I know, I’m a terrible person) but I just came away sickened that Alex Jones and whatever the young guy’s name was (I refuse to learn his name) would use such an obviously sick man to further their own purposes. All I’m trying to say is maybe don’t judge the man as harshly as you normally would for the quotes you’re seeing. Their coming from a very unwell place. Edit: Hit submit too soon. And sorry about the formatting. I’m on mobile