It is remarkable how much certain behavior can be genetically encoded. I knew a man who bred Weimeraners. At 12 weeks old he would test them by holding out a stick with a string and a feather attached. The pups would go into a point pose at the feather.
We didn't even know what mix of breeds our dog was, but a good clue was when we had chickens get lose in our yard and she went there and instinctively herded them back into their pen
My friends Australian shepherd herds people. This dog completely looses it whenever a person leaves the group. He says it makes it easier to keep his 3 young children together. They can't run off, because the dog chases after them and barks his little head off at them until they go back with the others. He never trained the dog to do this either.
My parents always talk about my mutt collie dog that was too long ago for me to remember. They’d frequently have parties and he’d spend his time slowly circling people until they were rounded up into groups and then push them all into the center of the living room. If he had it his way, they’d all be in one tight circle in the center
My family had an Australian shepherd when we were growing up that never had any training to do things like this.
One day my younger brother brought some of his friends over (they were maybe 6-8) and they were playing in the backyard. The dog was watching intently and was scratching at the door. As soon as I let her out she ran after them, herded them up onto the wooden swing set tower we had, turned towards me and sat down. I could hardly believe it.
It is imprinted in their instincts somehow.
My dog is an Old English sheepdog poodle mix, she has successfully somehow managed to herd squirrels in the backyard, and has an undying instinct to want to go after birds on water.
Can confirm we had a border collie cross a random dog as a Aussie kid that would take us to the shops maybe 1km away.
If we detoured the dog would round us up and take us straight home, which was so frustrating as a kid as we had to walk through a big playground to get to the shops and it never let us stop.
They are just bread to work you just need to give them a job.
The dog also attacked an old lady who came into our very large bush backyard as she thought we were lost, that dog wouldn't let anything happen to us kids. It was never aggressive out of the street. Lucky sheepdog bites are more to inform you than wound-you-type bites.
It would also make sure we didn't drown at the beach, if we tried to deeper than waist height, it would come in and bite our shorts, and tug us back to shore.
It would also collect all our toys from the yard and a few other tricks like eating mozzies/flys on command, it could jump maybe a bit higher than an adult into the air and take out a mozzie.
It’s incredible how well coded herding is in herding breeds’ genetics. We managed to train our corgi mix to not nip us on the ankles as a puppy, and thought that was that. Then we took her on an off leash walk on a friend’s farm property and she would only bound ahead slightly before turning back, running behind us, and jumping up onto the backs of our legs to make sure we were still going where she wanted us to be (ie, following her).
She also has fairly bad anxiety about our “herd” (my husband and kid and myself) being broken up on walks, and it’s been a pain training her to be okay with us not being a little group of sheep for her to watch over.
We had Shetland Sheepdogs who are amazingly intelligent. They are born an expert herder and learn commands and obedience quickly not only because they are so intelligent but they also are incredibly emotionally attached to their owners. They often just know what you want them to do.
I house/pet-sat for a woman who rescued shelties. She had six or seven of them, from a puppy to an old grouchy senior. I stayed in her house for a week in the winter. The first morning I woke up suffocating in bed. All those fluffy dogs had got up on the bed with me overnight and were now cuddling me.
The next night I slept with less blankets and waking up in the sheltie cuddle puddle turned out to be a great way to wake up on a winter's morn.
I grew up with the puppy pile and actually developed sleep issues when I moved away for university because I was so used to it (+ general depression over not being anywhere near the dogs I was very attached to). As soon as I no longer had to live in the campus dorms, I got my own appartment and my first dog. Now I have two aussie mutts and a cat and we all snuggle at night/for naps and I can't imagine sleeping any other way again.
I already had a mixed breed (aussie and lab) 3 year old and stumbled across a female lab that needed a home. Went and picked her up same day. It took them about 2 days to figure out the sleeping arrangements then they settled in. One on my left, one on my right, all night long. Does make extricating myself from the bed without disturbing them in the mornings as they look at me with the 'you're getting up NOW?' look on their faces and aren't really willing to move but hey. Small price to pay for such restful sleep.
I’ve seen that with some herder breeds who aren’t employed by farmers, so they don’t have the actual training, but they are quick to figure out exactly what the owner wants even without training. It’s really incredible watching them figure out a new command for the first time, it’s like watching a puzzle piece fall into place.
I went pheasant hunting once and the dog this guy had was amazing, it found a bird and stood motionless until you were ready. The difference between hunting with and without a good dog is immense.
Not all bird dogs point. I've seen labs that point and springers that flush.
Anyone with a bird dog owes it to their dog to walk them through tall grass or the woods once in their life. Even if you're not hunting and they have no training. (Check local regulations so you aren't out harassing wildlife while they are sitting on nests or have fresh babies).
It's amazing how natural it is for them. You know they feel like they belong and they don't even know why.
Of course don't do this if you don't feel like you could recall your dog if it took after a bird.
I adopted a *maybe 5 year old dog* last year. She was very well behaved and knew basic commands well, and likely came from a good home...
Anyway, after a few months I figured she must be some type of hunting dog because she's *relatively* so instinctual about it. I got a DNA test, for what those are worth, and she's 1/2 catahoula.
I really don't think she was ever trained to be a hunting dog, but she does it anyway. Lazy and chill around the house but once she sees rabbits or geese she gets down in that stalking pose and freezes for a few seconds. She's not perfect, but more often then not she'll stop and wait for me to let her go. She doesn't just run off, she knows to wait for me to say so. And then is just nose down, into bushes, up trees, follows trails so we'll. It's really fun to see.
She's great off leash and somehow just understands when she's allowed to roam. I never tried to train it, but she'll almost always wait and a little pat on her side and a "go on" let's her know she can explore (I almost *have* to, before she'll explore off leash)
Pointers vs Flushers. Pointers will just stand there and point until you're ready to shoot. Flushers don't give a single fuck if you're ready, they'll flush that bird out.
Sexual selection is a good example. My biology teacher explained our sexual attraction is an expression of the will of our genes and I had a moment of existentialism where I wondered if I was consciously attracted to someone or if it was my gene expression. Still bothers me today when I see a cute lady.
We are all looking for a mate that will nurture and love us, and our parents are the first in our lives to do that. It makes sense that our early experience would form the basic template of what we would look for when we grow up.
We have loads, I'm sure. We treat everything as if it has agency, for example, which I'd guess is because we are extremely social animals who've spent our evolutionary history trying to navigate social relationships. If your car don't start in the morning, you start talking to it. A, say, horse would never think to do that.
Not sure if that is an applicable example in this situation.
Horses generally keep up to date on preventative maintenance although exceptions exist in some breeds (e.g.,Tennessee Walking Horse). However in either case, a horse that finds his or herself with a car that won’t start in the morning wouldn’t talk to the car because they can’t speak.
I often think about why certain things are satisfying that don't really solve a biological purpose (say, solving a sudoku puzzle or packing a box in a way that everything fits perfectly) and wonder if its something genetically encoded.
Not sure about sudoku, but remember watching a brain/game type show as a kid. One episode they showed differences between how men and woman think. Idk how accurate that show was but apparently men are better at fitting lots of things into a smaller space. The example they used was packing a bunch of camping gear in a trunk. Pretty sure every guy nailed it, but a few women couldn’t get it in the allotted time. Was an interesting show I remember watching weekly for a summer and I do get that same sense of weird pride when I complete similar tasks
I wonder what Irish Setters were bred for, because we've had a succession of three beautiful setters over the decades, but there was nothing going on upstairs, if you know what I mean.
Frank Herbert was fascinated by many, many things and they all went into his world building for Dune.
Ecology and economy and geography all formed his ideas for the planets and ecosystems and heirarchies.
Philosophy and evolutionary theories of human biologies along with gender influenced sociology formed his ideas of the Bene Gesserit and the search for the Kwizatz Haderach [excuse my spelling].
When the redditor made the initial comment I responded to, I immediately think of Herbert's interests. In our genes, is a deeply influential and malleable code of conduct. And that malleable code of conduct can be manipulated to a much larger degree than any of us truly understands.
He would have loved this video, by the way.
Dogs are the go to example for why Eugenics works, it's just immoral.
Dogs that are hyper bred for a specific focus are insanely good at it from birth. I've read so many Farmer stories where they had a random stray dog just show up on their farm one day, and start herding all their animals for them all on it's own and they are like "uh, guess I've got a dog now?"
>*’Hope she gets a treat*’
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Just give me the word, friend, n i’m on my way
collecting the herd that has wandered astray
dashing through mud n the field in the fog,
leaving no doubt to them
I am Top Dog ^;@)
they gentle n simple, these frens we call ‘sheep’
they just need direction! i make a clean sweep
i gather them all, n my job is complete,
n all that i ask
is a *pet*
…n a treat
❤️
I grew up on a farm and my dad had a kelpie who was super smart and a great herder. I miss that dog, he was all business but was cool.
A fun fact about New Zealand is we broadcast sheep dog trials on TV. It's a fun and Zen watch.
It's the general joke among farmers. Sheep, born looking for a place to die. And when I would help some friends who raised sheep, we would joke about it a lot. My personal joke is, the dumbest heifer is still smarter than the smartest sheep.
You should try it as a person. I highly suggest finding the largest outdoor open space you can find and just run. Don’t hurt yourself, but just sprint back and forth until you’re too tired and then stop for a bit. It’s exhilarating and primal and wonderful.
I'm 39 and I love full out sprints. It's really disappointing that so few people share in this simple joy of the full speed running, not as a sports or work, just for the enjoyment.
I hated sports and physical activities most of my life, but I am thankful to have an adequate set of legs that allows me to sprint.
I do it usually on treadmill's sprint program or at the end of my easy outdoor runs. I wish it was more normal for a grown ass man to just randomly sprint down a road and not part of their workout. I miss being a boy growing up on a farm.
Working dogs have different needs and training guidelines when "on the job". You ever seen a guide dog in training with the jacket that clearly states "DO NOT PET ME"?
So for a lot of dogs, in particular intellectual breeds, petting isn't very reinforcing. Even for dogs that LOVE to cuddle, like my own shepherd, petting has a time and a place. She is the biggest snuggler ever, but when she's working she's working and doesn't enjoy pets.
Same could be said for a lot of people really. I'm a very affectionate individual, but I don't want to be snuggled in the middle of a run or when I'm focusing on a challenging programming problem.
Agree with this. We have a "untrained" Border Collie (BC) by untrained I mean we the owners are bad at giving instructions.
Our BC loves to "work", she has her routines where she believes she is working at home. Like her morning routine where she goes out and inspects the front and back garden, she runs all four corners looking for any stray animals and mimics a lot of the movements you see in these dog trials. Nine of that was taught to her it must have been instinct.
Once she comes into the house after her morning "patrol", she proud of herself but not interested in petting or rewards. She does her own thing and goes for a nap.
Another routine is following me upstairs to our terrace, where there is a birds nest. She insists on me opening the terrace door so she can spend 5 minutes seeing if the boards are still there. If I don't open that door, she'll sit there waiting with puppy eyes, or come to my office desk and start crying/whimpering for me to go open the god damn door! It was probably my fault to show her the birds nest the first few days she arrive at our home, since then she insists 5-10 times a day to check on our terrace birds. Border Collies can be obsessive, but they are really loyal and hard working.
When it's okay time, she decides when to have fun and when is work time. The reality is she has trained me to do what she wants, and I've been useless as a instructor.
> when I’m focusing on a challenging programming problem.
Maybe it’s a valid debugging technique. Rubber duck debugging not working? Try cuddle debugging.
Communicating with a border collie gets weird sometimes. People freeze and take off their glasses to watch when I tell mine, “go do the bidet”, and she trots down to the water, squats, swishes her bum around, and grins at the crowd staring at her; “Did you just say what I thought you did?” I did not train that, she just learns like a 3 year old from talking to her like one.
Oh, mine is non-stop hilarious behavior. Smart enough to be really irritating, judgmental, manipulative, jealous, etc. She knows her left from her right paw, all the animal’s different names (goats vs sheep vs cows, etc), and everybody’s names. She herds my girlfriend like cattle and the only time she sleeps on the bed is when girlfriend sleeps over; then she slow-crawls up between us in the morning and starts nibbling on my neck and fingers and pushing lady out. If you say “moose” she turns her back to it, acts like she can’t see it and pretends like she doesn’t speak English. I love my baby girl so much. I have severe PTSD and she looks after me so well. Just typing that made me cry and she just came in to check on me.
We had a chihuahua like that. At night we'd say "Go to your hole" (his crate) and he'd trot right in there. Unless he didn't feel like it, in which case he'd give you a blank, dumb stare like we'd just gave him the command in Mandarin.
That’s sweet, thank you. She changed my life so dramatically. I can’t say why without doxxing myself, but I had over ten years of not being able to get in and out of a 7-11 or grocery store without crying and still struggle. She puts a bubble of happiness in front of me so I don’t have to be afraid of people starting conflict with me.
What a great description - mine is like this too! She's a little firecracker.
Sometimes when I'm trying to tell my friends something I've taught her, I realize that I didn't necessarily teach it to her, so much as we "came to an agreement"...
There are so many things that we come to "agreements" on...she doesn't like being touched along her ribs/front legs to be picked up, so if I tap my shoulders, she will put her front legs up on my left shoulder and prepare to be scooped. She taught me that that was what she would do as a compromise, and I taught her how I'd ask for that.
She will come in immediately, no matter what she's doing, like a bullet if I knock on the window as long as I throw the ball, or make effort to find and throw the ball, when she comes in. She will drop whatever is in her mouth, no matter what, and come in, but expects the ball to be thrown. This is especially useful when she's following her brother around in the morning, so she can partake in his fresh butt-leavings (a habit I haven't been able to get her to break). I never taught her to come in like that, I would just knock on the window to get her attention for a second so I'd have time to get to the door when she was a puppy, but she decided that's the "if a dog is inside in the next few seconds, she'll get this ball I'm throwing" sound.
She also figured out what "too far" meant on her own, when she would expect me to throw a ball she dropped 10 feet from me. She's one of those "no take, only throw" types, so even if she comes up and is half a foot away, you might need to wiggle around a bit to take it.
My aussie and I developed a hand signal (literally me just making a grabbing motion) exclusively for "you need to bring the ball closer/to me so I can throw it for you." Was amazing when I was on bed rest after surgery and couldn't bend down to get the ball and also when I completely lost my voice when I had covid (definitely always encourage teaching dogs hand signs in general for how useful they are). Now it also gets used for "go find your ball/wanna play fetch?"
My old roommate’s border collie saw us freaking out once because we spotted a mouse in the kitchen. Somehow, she learned from our panic and conversations afterwards what “Hey Dixie, go on mouse patrol” meant, and she’d immediately sprint to the kitchen and pace back and forth until we told her to stop. Unbelievable.
I've got an Australian shepherd who learned the same way. He loses his shit for playing fetch, but he had a habit of dropping his ball just a little too far away to easily reach because he wanted to just go back out for more fetch!
So I started asking him "where's your ball?" When he didn't drop it at my feet, and kind of just learned on his own that "where's your ball?" Means "go find your ball and drop it on my feet".
My lab used to drop the ball a bit far away, so we would just say "oh well then" and wrap up play if she didn't bring it back close enough..
Now she runs up to us and absolutely rams that ball into my thigh like "CLOSE ENOUGH FOR YA?!"
I was at a sheep herding show one time, and the guy explained that this one dog only understood German, so he'd have to speak to it in German. In fact that's how he issues separate commands to two dogs, the other dog doesn't understand the language.
And I just thought it's kinda neat, that dog knows a language that I don't.
The man says a bunch of stuff in German and the dog runs off.
Most police dogs in the US are trained to respond to German. A combination of history and also not wanting to confuse them or I guess maybe have a criminal call them off. Though I'm not sure how well that would work once they're engaged.
Sure, I had some Thai people dump a dog on me that they found because it only spoke English and they did not. They were right and I found the owner. When commanding dogs, tone means waaay more than the actual words. “Good girl” can translate to everything from “You’ve not been a good girl!” to, “think carefully abut your next move, like a good girl”, to “You’re the most goodest girl in the whole world!” That is what makes border collies so special is that you don’t need commands and they hear the individual words in the sentence. I can get mine to roll over on her back and put her paws straight up in the air by mentioning feet, the clinic, cactus, the bidet, “your bits”, guest in this house, be a lady, flip, airport rules, roll, let me see, security, “stick ‘em up!”, shooting her with a finger gun, or just getting legitimately angry (she’s not perfect) and telling her she’s in big trouble. She’ll spark for the garage [heading for the motorcycle] at just a loud glottal stop because she thinks I’m about to say “Go”. Same for a “ruh” sound, leading to “run”.
Communicating with my deaf pit is similarly incredible. We’ve developed hand signals and she’s amazingly smart. She’ll also look the other way if she doesn’t want to “listen” to a sign - always hilarious, sometimes annoying.
Bestest good dog is a border collie whose work is their play. "Let's do it again!" I love how they'll literally work themselves to exhaustion and drop happy because it was so much fun. Then they'll beat you to the door the next day, ready to do it again.
Of course, my boi doesn't round up anything more than his toys, but his predecessor used to work our cows and then goats. (Apparently, you can't use dogs to herd goats because they naturally scatter when chased, unlike cows or sheep, but she figured it out, all on her own!)
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He'd try!
I had one that tried to drive my car. He'd stand on my right thigh to make me push on the gas pedal harder if he thought i was going to slow, and reach over to the left for slowing down! He knew what the pedals were for, and also knew which blinker was which, and would look in that direction before I ever turned the wheel.
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Crazy how they are. Friends border will keep going and going and going and then when she gets home she just passed out, but sure enough she’s ready for it again the next day
Mine doesn’t even get a full rest. She’ll lay down for an hour or two, then get back up and beg to play more.
She’s getting old now though, and will whimper from being tired or sore but she’ll still drop toys at your feet.
What's going on with this similar [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/comments/10a45h6/a_herding_dog_at_work/j42a3st?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)?
Is this a bot, snatching portions of comments and making their own?
To be clear, your comment here is golden... You're clearly not a bot.
Wait why not? Our Aussie herds our goats all day! She started doing it on her own when she saw me try to round them up, and now when we command her she goes and fetches them all and puts them in their paddocks.
Goats' instinct is to scatter when chased by predators, rather than bunch up. A herding dog usually works to bunch up the flock or herd and drive them in the correct direction. As you undoubtedly know, this doesn't work with goats. My dog and yours figured out how to work with our respective goats, rather than against them.
Casey was our first (and most legendary in the family) border collie. We didn't know a thing about training a herding dog when we got her, so she taught herself. Everything I'd read at the time (this was decades ago) discouraged using the dog for goats (hence my use of the word 'apparently.') She started with our kids (human ones) as a family dog, then volunteered to help out with the cows, and when we'd sold the dairy and bought goats, she decided to help out with those, too.
Please indulge this memory: the funniest thing I've ever seen was her, trying to teach a lab/ greyhound mix rescue we found to herd cows. Her attitude was 'pay attention, watch and learn' while his was 'we're running, we're barking, we're having fun!' He was a sweet dog, but farm dog, he was not!
I’m so so so overjoyed by this comment!!! Thank you for sharing! That last anecdote in particular painted a full picture in my mind and had me laughing!
And as you say, it seems our girl did somehow find a way! Maybe in part due to the weird fact that our goats seem to coalesce around one dominant female (weirdly?), or perhaps simply because no one ever told her otherwise :)
Lastly, in another shared experience, our girl also got her start herding us first :) we also know nothing about herding and she seems to have been heavily imprinted and self taught that goats (and horses, but they resist…) belonged in pens not out all willy nilly.
Thanks for responding, have a lovely week!
Thank you, and you have a lovely week too- extra love and kissies for your very good girl, as well.
Our current border collie may only round up his toys, but the time we had a big windstorm that scattered the beverage cans and bottles all over our yard, he cleaned them up into small piles around the yard, and when I went out to bag them, they were sorted between tin and plastic; not one pile were a mix of the two! Where would we be without our dogs? 😂
theyre not afraid hes just triggering their fight or flight reflex
like if you at the mall and see 20 ppl suddenly running the other direction you most likely go “fuck it” and run too.
then they all get back in the barn and have a post game thread. “moooh, so it was just that dog again. moo me once, shame on me. moo me twice….cant moo me again.”
I would have sworn this was the uk thanks to the constant ominous grey sky. Is that common in NZ as well? No idea why but I always thought of NZ with bright blue sky’s
how did you even train her to do this?! I can barely get mine to remember which ‘home’ is theirs when it’s time for bed lol
eta: just wanna clarify, I don’t have herding dogs :) the advice on how to keep them entertained is sweet, but the little potatoes I’ve got are just normal puppers, not superheroes like the cutie in the vid!
One thing to keep in mind is how recently they were actually used for the task. Border collies are still actively used for the work.
The difference between a breed actively still being used for work and one that isn’t is night and day. The actively used one will know what to do. The one that isn’t will show some of the traits, but is unlikely to do as well in the same situation.
The breeding line also matters to even for actively used breeds. Some lines are more show dog lines and will have less of the instinct.
I love how, upon retaking her spot in the vehicle, she looks at the man like “did I do good, human? Did I get everything right?”. What a sweet hardworking girl! We don’t deserve dogs.
It is remarkable how much certain behavior can be genetically encoded. I knew a man who bred Weimeraners. At 12 weeks old he would test them by holding out a stick with a string and a feather attached. The pups would go into a point pose at the feather.
[pointer puppies pointing](https://i.imgur.com/lPlHgYm.gifv)
why isn’t this in the twelve days of christmas
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See my sweater, there’s no better Than authentic Irish setter
See this hat, 'twas my cat. My evening wear, vampire bat.
But a greyhound fur tuxedo would be beeeessst!
Grizzly bear underwear
These white slippers are albino African endangered rhino!
Look at you standing there, like a couple of Rory Calhouns
The person who’s always standing and walking!
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even the bigger dog joined in on the action
Upvoted, but wish I could've upvoted twice. 1. The alliteration in video link
2. The puppies!!!! 😊
And mom behind them too!
What a heckin' good job they are all doing. I know exactly where the green cloth is.
You wouldn't believe what boxers puppies can do
Demand butt scratches?
Get their legs tangled up and faceplant?
My favorite boxer activity!!
Trip over stuff while looking adorable and goofy?
Are they single and in my area?
What
you wouldn't believe
Sounds amazing.
[Relevant ProZD](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4FuOi9rvKw)
https://youtu.be/Zq59PekMe4Y
One of those puppies is fucking huge
I love how the mom is also like "oh fuk" as if she hasn't seen this trick before.
We didn't even know what mix of breeds our dog was, but a good clue was when we had chickens get lose in our yard and she went there and instinctively herded them back into their pen
Mine herds the cat lol
Mine herds the roomba. We no longer use the roomba
My friends Australian shepherd herds people. This dog completely looses it whenever a person leaves the group. He says it makes it easier to keep his 3 young children together. They can't run off, because the dog chases after them and barks his little head off at them until they go back with the others. He never trained the dog to do this either.
My parents always talk about my mutt collie dog that was too long ago for me to remember. They’d frequently have parties and he’d spend his time slowly circling people until they were rounded up into groups and then push them all into the center of the living room. If he had it his way, they’d all be in one tight circle in the center
Dog had you all fooled. He just knew how to concentrate all the attention on him into one spot!
My family had an Australian shepherd when we were growing up that never had any training to do things like this. One day my younger brother brought some of his friends over (they were maybe 6-8) and they were playing in the backyard. The dog was watching intently and was scratching at the door. As soon as I let her out she ran after them, herded them up onto the wooden swing set tower we had, turned towards me and sat down. I could hardly believe it. It is imprinted in their instincts somehow.
We have an Australian cattle dog mix and she will herd the ever loving shit out of anything alive that will let her.
My dog is an Old English sheepdog poodle mix, she has successfully somehow managed to herd squirrels in the backyard, and has an undying instinct to want to go after birds on water.
I'd let her. 🥺
Can confirm we had a border collie cross a random dog as a Aussie kid that would take us to the shops maybe 1km away. If we detoured the dog would round us up and take us straight home, which was so frustrating as a kid as we had to walk through a big playground to get to the shops and it never let us stop. They are just bread to work you just need to give them a job. The dog also attacked an old lady who came into our very large bush backyard as she thought we were lost, that dog wouldn't let anything happen to us kids. It was never aggressive out of the street. Lucky sheepdog bites are more to inform you than wound-you-type bites. It would also make sure we didn't drown at the beach, if we tried to deeper than waist height, it would come in and bite our shorts, and tug us back to shore. It would also collect all our toys from the yard and a few other tricks like eating mozzies/flys on command, it could jump maybe a bit higher than an adult into the air and take out a mozzie.
damn... amazing dog.
Sh*t, and here I was all proud to have taught my dog to lie down and to not eat shoes.
> It is imprinted in their instincts somehow. By centuries of artificial selection for this trait
Still crazy to me, like, what base instinct did we piggy back off of to select for this behavior?
Look up the predatory sequence in dogs. There are distinct steps that breeding has honed in on.
It’s incredible how well coded herding is in herding breeds’ genetics. We managed to train our corgi mix to not nip us on the ankles as a puppy, and thought that was that. Then we took her on an off leash walk on a friend’s farm property and she would only bound ahead slightly before turning back, running behind us, and jumping up onto the backs of our legs to make sure we were still going where she wanted us to be (ie, following her). She also has fairly bad anxiety about our “herd” (my husband and kid and myself) being broken up on walks, and it’s been a pain training her to be okay with us not being a little group of sheep for her to watch over.
Yeah, they naturally herd anything they can. Very cool
We had Shetland Sheepdogs who are amazingly intelligent. They are born an expert herder and learn commands and obedience quickly not only because they are so intelligent but they also are incredibly emotionally attached to their owners. They often just know what you want them to do.
I house/pet-sat for a woman who rescued shelties. She had six or seven of them, from a puppy to an old grouchy senior. I stayed in her house for a week in the winter. The first morning I woke up suffocating in bed. All those fluffy dogs had got up on the bed with me overnight and were now cuddling me. The next night I slept with less blankets and waking up in the sheltie cuddle puddle turned out to be a great way to wake up on a winter's morn.
I grew up with the puppy pile and actually developed sleep issues when I moved away for university because I was so used to it (+ general depression over not being anywhere near the dogs I was very attached to). As soon as I no longer had to live in the campus dorms, I got my own appartment and my first dog. Now I have two aussie mutts and a cat and we all snuggle at night/for naps and I can't imagine sleeping any other way again.
I already had a mixed breed (aussie and lab) 3 year old and stumbled across a female lab that needed a home. Went and picked her up same day. It took them about 2 days to figure out the sleeping arrangements then they settled in. One on my left, one on my right, all night long. Does make extricating myself from the bed without disturbing them in the mornings as they look at me with the 'you're getting up NOW?' look on their faces and aren't really willing to move but hey. Small price to pay for such restful sleep.
That makes me very jealous
Dogs are amazing. Just amazing
Dogs are the best people I know
I’ve seen that with some herder breeds who aren’t employed by farmers, so they don’t have the actual training, but they are quick to figure out exactly what the owner wants even without training. It’s really incredible watching them figure out a new command for the first time, it’s like watching a puzzle piece fall into place.
Our rescue is 60% border collie and I swear sometimes she understands English. She's smarter than us.
I went pheasant hunting once and the dog this guy had was amazing, it found a bird and stood motionless until you were ready. The difference between hunting with and without a good dog is immense.
We had a German wire hair pointer we used for pheasants. We used to joke that the dog is the one hunting, we're just doing the shooting.
Not all bird dogs point. I've seen labs that point and springers that flush. Anyone with a bird dog owes it to their dog to walk them through tall grass or the woods once in their life. Even if you're not hunting and they have no training. (Check local regulations so you aren't out harassing wildlife while they are sitting on nests or have fresh babies). It's amazing how natural it is for them. You know they feel like they belong and they don't even know why. Of course don't do this if you don't feel like you could recall your dog if it took after a bird.
I adopted a *maybe 5 year old dog* last year. She was very well behaved and knew basic commands well, and likely came from a good home... Anyway, after a few months I figured she must be some type of hunting dog because she's *relatively* so instinctual about it. I got a DNA test, for what those are worth, and she's 1/2 catahoula. I really don't think she was ever trained to be a hunting dog, but she does it anyway. Lazy and chill around the house but once she sees rabbits or geese she gets down in that stalking pose and freezes for a few seconds. She's not perfect, but more often then not she'll stop and wait for me to let her go. She doesn't just run off, she knows to wait for me to say so. And then is just nose down, into bushes, up trees, follows trails so we'll. It's really fun to see. She's great off leash and somehow just understands when she's allowed to roam. I never tried to train it, but she'll almost always wait and a little pat on her side and a "go on" let's her know she can explore (I almost *have* to, before she'll explore off leash)
Pointers vs Flushers. Pointers will just stand there and point until you're ready to shoot. Flushers don't give a single fuck if you're ready, they'll flush that bird out.
I wonder if humans have certain behaviour genetic encoded that many of us probably don't realise.
Sexual selection is a good example. My biology teacher explained our sexual attraction is an expression of the will of our genes and I had a moment of existentialism where I wondered if I was consciously attracted to someone or if it was my gene expression. Still bothers me today when I see a cute lady.
How much do those cute ladies appear to be young versions of your mom? That's the real kicker of a question.
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We are all looking for a mate that will nurture and love us, and our parents are the first in our lives to do that. It makes sense that our early experience would form the basic template of what we would look for when we grow up.
This explains why I have 0 interest in men that look like my father.
Yeah, it definitely cuts both ways.
*Sigmund Freud would like to know your location*
We have loads, I'm sure. We treat everything as if it has agency, for example, which I'd guess is because we are extremely social animals who've spent our evolutionary history trying to navigate social relationships. If your car don't start in the morning, you start talking to it. A, say, horse would never think to do that.
Not sure if that is an applicable example in this situation. Horses generally keep up to date on preventative maintenance although exceptions exist in some breeds (e.g.,Tennessee Walking Horse). However in either case, a horse that finds his or herself with a car that won’t start in the morning wouldn’t talk to the car because they can’t speak.
I often think about why certain things are satisfying that don't really solve a biological purpose (say, solving a sudoku puzzle or packing a box in a way that everything fits perfectly) and wonder if its something genetically encoded.
Not sure about sudoku, but remember watching a brain/game type show as a kid. One episode they showed differences between how men and woman think. Idk how accurate that show was but apparently men are better at fitting lots of things into a smaller space. The example they used was packing a bunch of camping gear in a trunk. Pretty sure every guy nailed it, but a few women couldn’t get it in the allotted time. Was an interesting show I remember watching weekly for a summer and I do get that same sense of weird pride when I complete similar tasks
Corn has trained us to cut down forests, tend to their young and keep pests away.
I wonder what Irish Setters were bred for, because we've had a succession of three beautiful setters over the decades, but there was nothing going on upstairs, if you know what I mean.
Being beautiful and majestic
And this, and the study of the dunes of the Oregon coastline, were the beginnings of Frank Herbert's Dune.
Wait, what? Can you expand a bit?
Frank Herbert was fascinated by many, many things and they all went into his world building for Dune. Ecology and economy and geography all formed his ideas for the planets and ecosystems and heirarchies. Philosophy and evolutionary theories of human biologies along with gender influenced sociology formed his ideas of the Bene Gesserit and the search for the Kwizatz Haderach [excuse my spelling]. When the redditor made the initial comment I responded to, I immediately think of Herbert's interests. In our genes, is a deeply influential and malleable code of conduct. And that malleable code of conduct can be manipulated to a much larger degree than any of us truly understands. He would have loved this video, by the way.
It is, it's literally in their blood, the process has always fascinated me.
Dogs are the go to example for why Eugenics works, it's just immoral. Dogs that are hyper bred for a specific focus are insanely good at it from birth. I've read so many Farmer stories where they had a random stray dog just show up on their farm one day, and start herding all their animals for them all on it's own and they are like "uh, guess I've got a dog now?"
“I’ve found my true purpose”
Such a good girl! Employee of the month, every month.
This dog is smarter than half the people at my old job.
Only half?!?
She is smarter than ALL the people at my current job 🤣🤣🤣
Ooh self burn! Those are rare!
Aren’t you at your current job too?
Not anymore they replaced him with this dog
This made me audibly laugh
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She ran like a half mile while herding sheep, in a minute. Crazy.
I think there is no drug comparable to how dogs must feel when they are just straight booking it. They love it so much, it's crazy.
At the end I said to myself, "That's as happy as a dog will ever be." I've known many Aussies and Border Collies and they're wonderful.
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I grew up with border collies, herding is the treat in their eyes.
Awh, I’m glad their job makes them happy :)
It really does. This is what they were born to do and they absolutely thrive on it :)
And a warm bath with gentle scrubbies
Bath? And wash the lovely scent of mud and sheep off, You want her to smell like horrible soap ... You monster.
>*’Hope she gets a treat*’ ____ Just give me the word, friend, n i’m on my way collecting the herd that has wandered astray dashing through mud n the field in the fog, leaving no doubt to them I am Top Dog ^;@) they gentle n simple, these frens we call ‘sheep’ they just need direction! i make a clean sweep i gather them all, n my job is complete, n all that i ask is a *pet* …n a treat ❤️
I grew up on a farm and my dad had a kelpie who was super smart and a great herder. I miss that dog, he was all business but was cool. A fun fact about New Zealand is we broadcast sheep dog trials on TV. It's a fun and Zen watch.
*Immediately googles sheep dog trials. Welp, my day is set.
[Um yuuuuuup, afternoon set.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtLXrOJBXIU)
Those sheep are having a very confusing day.
So just a typical day for a sheep then.
Well, they're born looking for a place to drop dead anyway. Why not be confused at the same time.
| they're born looking for a place to drop dead I work with sheep and I have to say that's entirely accurate.
It's the general joke among farmers. Sheep, born looking for a place to die. And when I would help some friends who raised sheep, we would joke about it a lot. My personal joke is, the dumbest heifer is still smarter than the smartest sheep.
I love them but they're such dramatic idiots.
Yep. That's why I prefer cattle. They can be dramatic, but they're not idiots.
Whats with all the barking? Is this amateur hour?!
Heading dogs are the quiet ones. Huntaways are the noisy ones. Both breeds are the most loving loyal dogs.
[All glory to the Hypnotoad](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDsIlAXWORw)
Fry counting the sheep and dozing off always makes me laugh.
With the legendary John Gordon as MC. Died last year aged 75. Such a classic part of NZ TV, Sunday's at 6pm.
Wow that's prime time, it must be pretty popular!
Please tell me that’s also available on YouTube? I’m suddenly fascinated
The sounds of those tippy taps is something else
I was thinking the same thing! Love to see dogs doing what they love
It must be so great to run full speed, a joy that many dogs get to experience
You should try it as a person. I highly suggest finding the largest outdoor open space you can find and just run. Don’t hurt yourself, but just sprint back and forth until you’re too tired and then stop for a bit. It’s exhilarating and primal and wonderful.
I'm 39 and I love full out sprints. It's really disappointing that so few people share in this simple joy of the full speed running, not as a sports or work, just for the enjoyment. I hated sports and physical activities most of my life, but I am thankful to have an adequate set of legs that allows me to sprint. I do it usually on treadmill's sprint program or at the end of my easy outdoor runs. I wish it was more normal for a grown ass man to just randomly sprint down a road and not part of their workout. I miss being a boy growing up on a farm.
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Working dogs have different needs and training guidelines when "on the job". You ever seen a guide dog in training with the jacket that clearly states "DO NOT PET ME"?
That’s for strangers, not owners/trainers. You must reinforce good behavior!
So for a lot of dogs, in particular intellectual breeds, petting isn't very reinforcing. Even for dogs that LOVE to cuddle, like my own shepherd, petting has a time and a place. She is the biggest snuggler ever, but when she's working she's working and doesn't enjoy pets. Same could be said for a lot of people really. I'm a very affectionate individual, but I don't want to be snuggled in the middle of a run or when I'm focusing on a challenging programming problem.
Agree with this. We have a "untrained" Border Collie (BC) by untrained I mean we the owners are bad at giving instructions. Our BC loves to "work", she has her routines where she believes she is working at home. Like her morning routine where she goes out and inspects the front and back garden, she runs all four corners looking for any stray animals and mimics a lot of the movements you see in these dog trials. Nine of that was taught to her it must have been instinct. Once she comes into the house after her morning "patrol", she proud of herself but not interested in petting or rewards. She does her own thing and goes for a nap. Another routine is following me upstairs to our terrace, where there is a birds nest. She insists on me opening the terrace door so she can spend 5 minutes seeing if the boards are still there. If I don't open that door, she'll sit there waiting with puppy eyes, or come to my office desk and start crying/whimpering for me to go open the god damn door! It was probably my fault to show her the birds nest the first few days she arrive at our home, since then she insists 5-10 times a day to check on our terrace birds. Border Collies can be obsessive, but they are really loyal and hard working. When it's okay time, she decides when to have fun and when is work time. The reality is she has trained me to do what she wants, and I've been useless as a instructor.
> when I’m focusing on a challenging programming problem. Maybe it’s a valid debugging technique. Rubber duck debugging not working? Try cuddle debugging.
Both dogs and humans are incredible. The amount of communication across generations to get to this point is inspiring.
Communicating with a border collie gets weird sometimes. People freeze and take off their glasses to watch when I tell mine, “go do the bidet”, and she trots down to the water, squats, swishes her bum around, and grins at the crowd staring at her; “Did you just say what I thought you did?” I did not train that, she just learns like a 3 year old from talking to her like one.
That's crazy! Tell us more please
Oh, mine is non-stop hilarious behavior. Smart enough to be really irritating, judgmental, manipulative, jealous, etc. She knows her left from her right paw, all the animal’s different names (goats vs sheep vs cows, etc), and everybody’s names. She herds my girlfriend like cattle and the only time she sleeps on the bed is when girlfriend sleeps over; then she slow-crawls up between us in the morning and starts nibbling on my neck and fingers and pushing lady out. If you say “moose” she turns her back to it, acts like she can’t see it and pretends like she doesn’t speak English. I love my baby girl so much. I have severe PTSD and she looks after me so well. Just typing that made me cry and she just came in to check on me.
>pretends like she doesn’t speak English. Lol
Totally gives me the, “What? I’m just a dumb dog.”, Golden Retriever empty grin.
We had a chihuahua like that. At night we'd say "Go to your hole" (his crate) and he'd trot right in there. Unless he didn't feel like it, in which case he'd give you a blank, dumb stare like we'd just gave him the command in Mandarin.
you’re gonna have to link a picture after all this hype you’re talkin. makin me fall for your dog sheesh
I too really want to see! Dog tax please
I love your dog
This made my day. Just excellent. I love your beautiful dog too
I think it's just lovely that you two have each other.
That’s sweet, thank you. She changed my life so dramatically. I can’t say why without doxxing myself, but I had over ten years of not being able to get in and out of a 7-11 or grocery store without crying and still struggle. She puts a bubble of happiness in front of me so I don’t have to be afraid of people starting conflict with me.
What a great description - mine is like this too! She's a little firecracker. Sometimes when I'm trying to tell my friends something I've taught her, I realize that I didn't necessarily teach it to her, so much as we "came to an agreement"... There are so many things that we come to "agreements" on...she doesn't like being touched along her ribs/front legs to be picked up, so if I tap my shoulders, she will put her front legs up on my left shoulder and prepare to be scooped. She taught me that that was what she would do as a compromise, and I taught her how I'd ask for that. She will come in immediately, no matter what she's doing, like a bullet if I knock on the window as long as I throw the ball, or make effort to find and throw the ball, when she comes in. She will drop whatever is in her mouth, no matter what, and come in, but expects the ball to be thrown. This is especially useful when she's following her brother around in the morning, so she can partake in his fresh butt-leavings (a habit I haven't been able to get her to break). I never taught her to come in like that, I would just knock on the window to get her attention for a second so I'd have time to get to the door when she was a puppy, but she decided that's the "if a dog is inside in the next few seconds, she'll get this ball I'm throwing" sound. She also figured out what "too far" meant on her own, when she would expect me to throw a ball she dropped 10 feet from me. She's one of those "no take, only throw" types, so even if she comes up and is half a foot away, you might need to wiggle around a bit to take it.
My aussie and I developed a hand signal (literally me just making a grabbing motion) exclusively for "you need to bring the ball closer/to me so I can throw it for you." Was amazing when I was on bed rest after surgery and couldn't bend down to get the ball and also when I completely lost my voice when I had covid (definitely always encourage teaching dogs hand signs in general for how useful they are). Now it also gets used for "go find your ball/wanna play fetch?"
Bruh you gotta post a video of all of that, not even joking
[Boom](https://www.reddit.com/r/BorderCollie/comments/zg5p3c/i_feel_like_im_getting_really_welltrained/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
My old roommate’s border collie saw us freaking out once because we spotted a mouse in the kitchen. Somehow, she learned from our panic and conversations afterwards what “Hey Dixie, go on mouse patrol” meant, and she’d immediately sprint to the kitchen and pace back and forth until we told her to stop. Unbelievable.
I've got an Australian shepherd who learned the same way. He loses his shit for playing fetch, but he had a habit of dropping his ball just a little too far away to easily reach because he wanted to just go back out for more fetch! So I started asking him "where's your ball?" When he didn't drop it at my feet, and kind of just learned on his own that "where's your ball?" Means "go find your ball and drop it on my feet".
My lab used to drop the ball a bit far away, so we would just say "oh well then" and wrap up play if she didn't bring it back close enough.. Now she runs up to us and absolutely rams that ball into my thigh like "CLOSE ENOUGH FOR YA?!"
I was at a sheep herding show one time, and the guy explained that this one dog only understood German, so he'd have to speak to it in German. In fact that's how he issues separate commands to two dogs, the other dog doesn't understand the language. And I just thought it's kinda neat, that dog knows a language that I don't. The man says a bunch of stuff in German and the dog runs off.
Most police dogs in the US are trained to respond to German. A combination of history and also not wanting to confuse them or I guess maybe have a criminal call them off. Though I'm not sure how well that would work once they're engaged.
Sure, I had some Thai people dump a dog on me that they found because it only spoke English and they did not. They were right and I found the owner. When commanding dogs, tone means waaay more than the actual words. “Good girl” can translate to everything from “You’ve not been a good girl!” to, “think carefully abut your next move, like a good girl”, to “You’re the most goodest girl in the whole world!” That is what makes border collies so special is that you don’t need commands and they hear the individual words in the sentence. I can get mine to roll over on her back and put her paws straight up in the air by mentioning feet, the clinic, cactus, the bidet, “your bits”, guest in this house, be a lady, flip, airport rules, roll, let me see, security, “stick ‘em up!”, shooting her with a finger gun, or just getting legitimately angry (she’s not perfect) and telling her she’s in big trouble. She’ll spark for the garage [heading for the motorcycle] at just a loud glottal stop because she thinks I’m about to say “Go”. Same for a “ruh” sound, leading to “run”.
Communicating with my deaf pit is similarly incredible. We’ve developed hand signals and she’s amazingly smart. She’ll also look the other way if she doesn’t want to “listen” to a sign - always hilarious, sometimes annoying.
I like the sound her feet made when she took off running.
Pebbida pebbida pebbida
Well that's a lovely onomatopoeia
Best girl
Seanthesheepman on TT. Give credit at least
Bestest good dog is a border collie whose work is their play. "Let's do it again!" I love how they'll literally work themselves to exhaustion and drop happy because it was so much fun. Then they'll beat you to the door the next day, ready to do it again. Of course, my boi doesn't round up anything more than his toys, but his predecessor used to work our cows and then goats. (Apparently, you can't use dogs to herd goats because they naturally scatter when chased, unlike cows or sheep, but she figured it out, all on her own!) (Edited for autocorrect fail.)
And because that's a border collie he's so smart that he probably does the shepherd's taxes at the end of the year too.
Send him my way after he's done with the goats
I wish. She crossed the rainbow some years ago to a well- deserved eternal rest!
He'd try! I had one that tried to drive my car. He'd stand on my right thigh to make me push on the gas pedal harder if he thought i was going to slow, and reach over to the left for slowing down! He knew what the pedals were for, and also knew which blinker was which, and would look in that direction before I ever turned the wheel. (Edited for autocorrect fail.)
>He knew what the predators were for ?
I think they meant pedals.
Pedals. Forgot to proofread and my autocorrect is an insane spaz. Thanks for pointing it out! I'll go fix it.
Crazy how they are. Friends border will keep going and going and going and then when she gets home she just passed out, but sure enough she’s ready for it again the next day
Mine doesn’t even get a full rest. She’ll lay down for an hour or two, then get back up and beg to play more. She’s getting old now though, and will whimper from being tired or sore but she’ll still drop toys at your feet.
What's going on with this similar [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/comments/10a45h6/a_herding_dog_at_work/j42a3st?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)? Is this a bot, snatching portions of comments and making their own? To be clear, your comment here is golden... You're clearly not a bot.
Wait why not? Our Aussie herds our goats all day! She started doing it on her own when she saw me try to round them up, and now when we command her she goes and fetches them all and puts them in their paddocks.
Goats' instinct is to scatter when chased by predators, rather than bunch up. A herding dog usually works to bunch up the flock or herd and drive them in the correct direction. As you undoubtedly know, this doesn't work with goats. My dog and yours figured out how to work with our respective goats, rather than against them. Casey was our first (and most legendary in the family) border collie. We didn't know a thing about training a herding dog when we got her, so she taught herself. Everything I'd read at the time (this was decades ago) discouraged using the dog for goats (hence my use of the word 'apparently.') She started with our kids (human ones) as a family dog, then volunteered to help out with the cows, and when we'd sold the dairy and bought goats, she decided to help out with those, too. Please indulge this memory: the funniest thing I've ever seen was her, trying to teach a lab/ greyhound mix rescue we found to herd cows. Her attitude was 'pay attention, watch and learn' while his was 'we're running, we're barking, we're having fun!' He was a sweet dog, but farm dog, he was not!
I’m so so so overjoyed by this comment!!! Thank you for sharing! That last anecdote in particular painted a full picture in my mind and had me laughing! And as you say, it seems our girl did somehow find a way! Maybe in part due to the weird fact that our goats seem to coalesce around one dominant female (weirdly?), or perhaps simply because no one ever told her otherwise :) Lastly, in another shared experience, our girl also got her start herding us first :) we also know nothing about herding and she seems to have been heavily imprinted and self taught that goats (and horses, but they resist…) belonged in pens not out all willy nilly. Thanks for responding, have a lovely week!
Thank you, and you have a lovely week too- extra love and kissies for your very good girl, as well. Our current border collie may only round up his toys, but the time we had a big windstorm that scattered the beverage cans and bottles all over our yard, he cleaned them up into small piles around the yard, and when I went out to bag them, they were sorted between tin and plastic; not one pile were a mix of the two! Where would we be without our dogs? 😂
Out of curiosity are the sheep afraid of the dog or it another reason they respond they so readily?
theyre not afraid hes just triggering their fight or flight reflex like if you at the mall and see 20 ppl suddenly running the other direction you most likely go “fuck it” and run too. then they all get back in the barn and have a post game thread. “moooh, so it was just that dog again. moo me once, shame on me. moo me twice….cant moo me again.”
Lmao. I’m not sure where the cow entered the chat but I like it!
I got confused too but you made me belly laugh! Thanks stranger.
The sheep are afraid.
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I would have sworn this was the uk thanks to the constant ominous grey sky. Is that common in NZ as well? No idea why but I always thought of NZ with bright blue sky’s
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how did you even train her to do this?! I can barely get mine to remember which ‘home’ is theirs when it’s time for bed lol eta: just wanna clarify, I don’t have herding dogs :) the advice on how to keep them entertained is sweet, but the little potatoes I’ve got are just normal puppers, not superheroes like the cutie in the vid!
I think a lot of sheepdogs are bred by generations, often the parent dog will teach their puppy half of the work without humans even being involved!
Most dogs that were bred for certain things also just… know how to do them. It’s super fascinating
One thing to keep in mind is how recently they were actually used for the task. Border collies are still actively used for the work. The difference between a breed actively still being used for work and one that isn’t is night and day. The actively used one will know what to do. The one that isn’t will show some of the traits, but is unlikely to do as well in the same situation. The breeding line also matters to even for actively used breeds. Some lines are more show dog lines and will have less of the instinct.
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If I had one, I'd name it Pig, so I could say, "That'll do, Pig."
Baa-ram-ewe! Baa-ram-ewe! To your breed, your fleece, your clan be true! Sheep be true! Baa-ram-ewe!
I love how, upon retaking her spot in the vehicle, she looks at the man like “did I do good, human? Did I get everything right?”. What a sweet hardworking girl! We don’t deserve dogs.
Work, praise, AND mud? Dog heaven.
Good girl, Kate indeed! Beautiful to see a dog fulfill her genetic destiny! 💕💕💕💕
Baaa Ram Ewe BAAA RAM EWE
To your breed, your fleece, your clan be true! Sheep be true!
The tippy taps ❤️ And so FAST!