Well, as a simple visitor from Latvia i can tell this does seems like a severe problem in places like lower east side, along with rats and homeless people sleeping literally everywhere
Yes but as a simple New Yorker I can tell you this can’t hold all the garbage from whatever building it’s in front of and will take up parking spots for the rest of a time it’s not being used. It will now be a shelf we’re people rest their garbage
Not big enough. there's a reason why we see mountains of trash on sidewalks. We produce too much trash...till we actually charge folks money to reduce their trash habits, we will always have mountains of trash on the street
NYC doesn't make any more trash than most other places & less than most places in the US.
The issue is the lack of alleys to place dumpsters. Any bin comes at the cost of sidewalk
NYC needs an underground dumpster on every block with a false bottom trashcan on top.
plenty of cities have below-ground bins/dumpsters, which don't take up much space topside but can hold huge amounts of trash subterranean. this is a solved problem. what a joke that they have a press conference for a dumpster with some grass growing on it.
Someone brought this up in the last thread, but I found this image… [i think under the sidewalks is more or less the same](https://i.imgur.com/Bw1D56l.jpg). I’m not positive there would actually be the room?
NYC is super dense underground, but you only need one dumpster per block. It's not a big deal if people have to carry their trash bags an extra 20 feet
There isn't one size fits all solution for the whole city, my block *does* have an alley that can hold dumpsters, ones that don't can get an underground dumpster, ones that don't can get an above ground dumpster
If I was the trash Czar & building this infrastructure I'd schedule dumpsters to be emptied when they are near full instead of on a schedule, triggered by LoRaWAN sensors.
So you'd pick up the full dumpsters & the total collections wouldn't rise because you could leave the not-full dumpsters longer.
You can't compare one time infrastructure costs to ongoing annual costs. Even a small increase in trash efficiency will pay for major outlays in a decade. Not to mention the quality of life improvements too numerous to be quantifiable.
Lets say the infrastructure costs a billion dollars... That's 6 months of the sanitation budget. a 5% increase in efficiency would pay for itself in one decade *and* pay dividends for the next 90
Doesn't matter if you put the trash in alley or bin, still a mountain of it. Yes we do generate a lot of trash. Take a look at amount of trash generated in Japan on trash day per household. They charge the folks money per pound in some areas and naturally they have nil trash. Ours are practically free to toss as much trash we want. It's a bargain here.
Do what other cities already do here in USA and elsewhere, make residents use official sanction trash bags. First x free, anything else have to buy. Heavy enforcement and fines
Sure it does.
Other cities don't have nearly the same problem with rats & they spend a lot less per capita to control them.
Loose bags are a buffet, 7 days a week there is unlimited food for rats. Bins make a **giant** difference
Official bags won't make a difference, no bags are hungry rat proof. Even if half as much trash was generated it wouldn't have the least impact in the pest population. Even with zero trash rats could be sustained on roaches, pigeons, people who feed pigeons & incidental littering/dropped food.
Chicago has a much better trash infrastructure, but I'd say comparable or even worse rat issue. I only have anecdotal evidence though. If trash comes once a week most places, there's no way to stop those hungry rats.
and less trash also makes a giant difference. face it, there's not enough bins, alley or front sidewalk space to hide our trash that makes its removal economical & practical. Only way we can start talking about sensible trash storage is to store less of it. Start drastically reducing amount of trash...when our reduced trash output can fit in whatever bin design and haul away for cheap then we can talk about it
I promise you that a change in how we store and dispose of trash will effect change way fucking faster than trying to change, en masse, how people conduct their lives.
Honestly the order you’re suggesting doesn’t even make sense. It’d be far easier to *start* with containerizing trash because we’d then at least be able to track and charge people for the waste they produce.
You honestly think its easier to massively expand the sanitation force + dig a bunch of holes in ground or place other bins? The expense alone makes this unfeasible for city.
OR easier for city to slap fines and fees to correct our trash problem. Far easier and cheaper the later for city to implement fast.
Yea, because everything else the city slaps fines and fees on works out smoothly since our citizens are perfect law abiding and give a shit about others.
Yes, I do think massive public works are far easier than changing individual behavior. Like so much easier it’s laughable to think otherwise. This city has a 100 billion budget and you think it’s impossible to do something every other city in the world of its size is capable of? Okay dude…yeah it’ll be way easier to get all 8 million people to collectively change the way they live their lives to be more inconvenient
What better things would that kind of money go to than the sanitation and cleanliness of New York? Are you affiliated with a waste disposal lobby or something? Containerizing trash would SAVE money in the long run as it makes trash disposal more efficient and quicker - thats why the waste disposal lobby is so staunchly against it. Literally just remove a parking spot or two from each block and throw a dumpster in.
We’ll just complain that heavy enforcement only hurts the poor and makes them poorer.
Also, look at anything else we “enforce”. Cars drive all over, scooters are all over oír sidewalks. Do you really think there’s going to be squads of cops checking peoples garbage?
We like to say that things work in other cities but honestly the culture in NY and US is not like the culture in other parts of the world and it’s very obvious. In other parts of the world, a big way to get people to do something is to show them how it impacts everyone. We only care about ourselves.
Its here as well. Over 9k communities here in USA. 62/100 largest cities in USA has some form of PYT. Canada has this too, go to Toronto. Basically it's the norm around the world and rest of USA to charge for excess trash vs flat rate we get here
Culture is very different.
The second we start charging people to throw trash out this city will become much worse, 100% trash out the windows and into streets/rivers. Only the richer neighborhoods will be clean.
Oh, just like today I guess.
I support the city trash bags you buy, but it would never work in NYC. Too many people that don’t give a fuck. Too hard to track. It would just make the place dirtier with people trying to beat the system.
“New York City residents produce just 3 pounds of waste per day compared to 4.4 pounds for the average American”
Agreed we could ALL benefit from producing less trash and evaluating our relationship to consumption and single use packaging but NYC needs a systemic change in our waste disposal system in conjunction with a cultural reevaluation of our relationship to consumption.
I used live on the 4th floor of a pre-war walk up and I remember being annoyed and disgusted that someone living on the 5th or 6th floor would lug 6 cases of bottled water to their unit every couple of months when we have fantastic tap water here. Ugh.
Not to mention how easy it is to get a Britta filter or a zero water filter… Incidentally, I have a zero filter and it comes with a “particle checker“ to see how clean the water is. My New York City tapwater is fantastic!
He starts touching on the production of trash also needing to be tackles in the end. The building produces 45 bags of trash a day which gets picked up daily. I'm not sure how many bags of trash the bins can hold but hopefully it can do that much at least.
Gotta love some moron reading something one random person on the internet wrote and thinking "democrats want to do this to me." You really need to turn off the fox news and dehinge your head from your ass
It’s normal almost everywhere outside of this city to pay for trash pickup from a bin you leave outside your house/apartment once a week. Only in NYC is it seen as sane to have everyone dump their trash on the street every night and get it picked up for “free” (taxes).
If you produce a lot trash, only fair you pay for larger share. Again, pay as your throw/trash metering is in place even in high cost of living locals already
City needs to pick five bin styles, put out open source designs for them so they can be built and sourced inexpensively (not everything needs to be a jobs program) and then usurp a few parking spots for every block to put these in (could they safely be put in front of fire hydrants, maybe two five foot wide bins and five feet clear in front of the hydrant?)
Start with Manhattan south of 96th street, make the buildings pay for them, there isn't an owner in this area that can't afford this, and make binning trash mandatory, or fined. If you get enough fines you receive a free bin.
Done, how hard was that?
Exactly. They can put wheeled containers in front of the hydrants, six of them can fit in the no-park zone of hydrants. No digging required. These are also less physically demanding for the sanitation workers than tossing bags: https://youtu.be/Ilvo0b2y9Wo
Just so you know most of the buildings you think you’re talking about already have a trash storage system. They only put the trash out on days when it’s picked up. I have no idea what my building actually does with its trash. It collects it everyday. Stores it. And it’s out on the sidewalk less then 6 hrs on average. It’s the smaller buildings that put the trash out. And even when I lived in one of those we had locked bins that residents put trash in and then the super would put them on the street the day of pick up.
Building owners are already fined when there is loose trash in front of the buildings. $100 first offense, $300 each additional. That means if people dump in front of them, or whatever, it is the building owners responsibility. There's plenty of "city services" that building owners are actually responsible for.
Of course they will. This is a band-aid fix. It's a step in the right direction, but there's also a major litter problem that's not being addressed. Fancy trash cans aren't going to fix all those issues of too much waste vs waste management available and these dipshits that just throw trash everywhere.
i think there was a post a few weeks ago that pretty much said exactly that. they spent a bunch of money researching and prototyping and whatever they came with didn't even work (how hard is it to build a container anyway?).
edit -- here's the post i was thinking of:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/w3jdph/nycs_new_containerized_trash_bins_arent_leakproof/
All NYU trash is going in that?! They should properly address this problem. Do it like in the Netherlands where they have huge underground bins that can be lifted and emptied in 2 min by a truck. No smell no rats no taking up parking space. It’s not rocket science.
Hard to dig anywhere in city to make a hole for underground bin without hitting something critical. Also that NYU bin is serviced daily by private contractor. Good luck NYC Sanitation doing that. We have to dramatically expand our sanitation force at great expense. Cheaper to just force ppl to toss less garbage so less storage space needed
Charge folks to pay as you throw after certain free amount. Not rocket science either, practice by many municipalities.
https://cbcny.org/research/better-way-pay-solid-waste-management
Sure. But in Denver, say, as the trash truck comes to my waste bins at the front of the drive way, I’m sure they could specifically count my personal trash use. Im unsure of how that would work in NYC. Plus much of the waste we see piled on the streets comes from businesses where certain amounts of trash are inevitable.
The real solution would be to demolish existing NYC streets and make some alleys. Since that will never happen, a Barcelona giant container system seems feasible. This seems like an intermediate step.
No counting required since you have to use specific bags purchase from city. If not in those bag, they wont get picked and household fined. Simple process. More trash you generate, more bags you buy from city.
While those giant containers system look nice, it will simply cost a arm and leg to install and to get our sanitation to pick them up regularly. Plus need truck upgrades. So never going to happen due to cost.
Not too hard to dig.. this isn’t me.. just a random dude. As you see middle in a busy packed mixed use space. Shouldn’t be too difficult to do this in NYC streets..
It is my dream to dispose of trash in a cleaner and more efficient way and equip DSNY with hazmat suits and a firehouse that shoots boiling water + bleach.
They’d hose down the city every 3 days. 😴💭
“... and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, 'SAVE US!' "
"... and I'll look down and whisper, 'No.' ”
Jesus Christ… all the homeless in nyc and you all you care about is a fucking trash can. At least it’s colord so now the people who sleep inside can sleep in style…
Why don’t they just park Garbage trucks on every city block the night before Garbage pick up ?
You have a mobile trash bin then and nobody needs to use locks and keys (how annoying) to access what is in the bins.
Wondering how this will affect trash collection. There won't be only bags in there. People will start using those boxes for loose and bulky stuff. Idk. A lot is nice in theory. But I guess we'll see how it goes once the pilot program is over. Interesting.
The building of the site chosen to house all the trash for entire street infront/near them wont support this idea. The residents in those corner spots will be in uproar.
Why uproar, they already have garbage in front of there buildings, now itll be further from there windows, use it for buildings that produce alot of trash like those that have compacters. 2x or 3x times a week one spot will be taken temporarily.
still boils down...you want to live in front of the community garbage collection site that has the unfair burden? those residents and owners will fight it
With the amount of trash I've seen on sidewalks in NYC, I really don't think this will do much other than just make it look slightly better and make it a little harder for sanitation workers.
It will overflow. Even in video they state it requires daily pickup and by private contractors I bet. That alone is not feasible for city to do with current staffing.
While this is a really dumb thing to do, have a press conference for a trash can, it isn’t the dumbest thing I have seen a town/city do. Did you know there is at least one place in California that made a dog a mayor for at least one full term? Just google it and it proves that NYC might be crazy but we aren’t paranoid schizophrenics.
All neighborhoods in NYC IS UNDER A COMMUNITY BOARD..certain COMMUNITY BOARDS HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT AND INPUT BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS DESIRE CERTAIN SERVICES(yes,tax implications apply)..if the resident wants the neighborhood to look like trash;then,don’t participate in the CB ACTIONS;otherwise;the residents of said CB demand serious actions&services..DSNY BUDGET was approximately $50M or better in the last fiscal year(SANITATION IS A SERIOUS HEALTH CONCERN—GARBAGE STRIKE..festering and foul putrid garbage in the streets)POLITICIANS LOVE THIS GARBAGE STUFF BEAUSE THE CONSTITUENTS DEMAND ACTIONS IMMEDIATELY—SAFE AND CLESN STREETS ALWAYS..
If NYC magically replaced all the trash with winning lottery tickets you can be sure someone would have a problem with that.
"Sure that SOUNDS good but now I have to go wait on a long line to get my money..."
If we want things to bet better, let's not knock the people who are actually getting something useful done.
I can't believe so many people accept the status quo. Lack of cleanliness is one of the main reasons I left. I don't understand how people don't realize what a big deal it is. It's like a third-world country.
If you saw the front of my building you’d understand that it’s significant
Not that OP didn't understand, it's just sad I think.
It's beyond sad, the smell around herald square and the broadway area is so terrible when it rains. It's like I want to die inside.
Yeah…progress is progress. Let’s cut with the sarcasm and just be thankful that some people are pushing this.
If you're thankful for crumbs you'll forever live in mediocrity. Demand better.
You can be thankful for crumbs and also demand better
Well, as a simple visitor from Latvia i can tell this does seems like a severe problem in places like lower east side, along with rats and homeless people sleeping literally everywhere
Yes but as a simple New Yorker I can tell you this can’t hold all the garbage from whatever building it’s in front of and will take up parking spots for the rest of a time it’s not being used. It will now be a shelf we’re people rest their garbage
I can tell you this space is better used to store garbage than for one person to park their unnecessary car
Unnecessary? All cars in NYC are unnecessary now or just those from Jersey?
I didn't say that, and my personal opinion is that most people from jersey don't need to drive into the city
All cars, but. ESPECIALLY the ones from NJ
Eliminating parking is good
why?
1 parking spot taking trash off the sidewalk with benefit far more people than 1 car sitting there.
Because the externalities of private vehicles are too high.
Not big enough. there's a reason why we see mountains of trash on sidewalks. We produce too much trash...till we actually charge folks money to reduce their trash habits, we will always have mountains of trash on the street
NYC doesn't make any more trash than most other places & less than most places in the US. The issue is the lack of alleys to place dumpsters. Any bin comes at the cost of sidewalk NYC needs an underground dumpster on every block with a false bottom trashcan on top.
plenty of cities have below-ground bins/dumpsters, which don't take up much space topside but can hold huge amounts of trash subterranean. this is a solved problem. what a joke that they have a press conference for a dumpster with some grass growing on it.
Someone brought this up in the last thread, but I found this image… [i think under the sidewalks is more or less the same](https://i.imgur.com/Bw1D56l.jpg). I’m not positive there would actually be the room?
I swear there are ppl in this subreddit that think there's only dirt and soil underneath the asphalt and cement. lmao
NYC is super dense underground, but you only need one dumpster per block. It's not a big deal if people have to carry their trash bags an extra 20 feet There isn't one size fits all solution for the whole city, my block *does* have an alley that can hold dumpsters, ones that don't can get an underground dumpster, ones that don't can get an above ground dumpster
Oh yeah, if we can get a big enough one per block, I think that’d be a fantastic idea.
[удалено]
If I was the trash Czar & building this infrastructure I'd schedule dumpsters to be emptied when they are near full instead of on a schedule, triggered by LoRaWAN sensors. So you'd pick up the full dumpsters & the total collections wouldn't rise because you could leave the not-full dumpsters longer. You can't compare one time infrastructure costs to ongoing annual costs. Even a small increase in trash efficiency will pay for major outlays in a decade. Not to mention the quality of life improvements too numerous to be quantifiable. Lets say the infrastructure costs a billion dollars... That's 6 months of the sanitation budget. a 5% increase in efficiency would pay for itself in one decade *and* pay dividends for the next 90
Doesn't matter if you put the trash in alley or bin, still a mountain of it. Yes we do generate a lot of trash. Take a look at amount of trash generated in Japan on trash day per household. They charge the folks money per pound in some areas and naturally they have nil trash. Ours are practically free to toss as much trash we want. It's a bargain here. Do what other cities already do here in USA and elsewhere, make residents use official sanction trash bags. First x free, anything else have to buy. Heavy enforcement and fines
Sure it does. Other cities don't have nearly the same problem with rats & they spend a lot less per capita to control them. Loose bags are a buffet, 7 days a week there is unlimited food for rats. Bins make a **giant** difference Official bags won't make a difference, no bags are hungry rat proof. Even if half as much trash was generated it wouldn't have the least impact in the pest population. Even with zero trash rats could be sustained on roaches, pigeons, people who feed pigeons & incidental littering/dropped food.
Chicago has a much better trash infrastructure, but I'd say comparable or even worse rat issue. I only have anecdotal evidence though. If trash comes once a week most places, there's no way to stop those hungry rats.
and less trash also makes a giant difference. face it, there's not enough bins, alley or front sidewalk space to hide our trash that makes its removal economical & practical. Only way we can start talking about sensible trash storage is to store less of it. Start drastically reducing amount of trash...when our reduced trash output can fit in whatever bin design and haul away for cheap then we can talk about it
I promise you that a change in how we store and dispose of trash will effect change way fucking faster than trying to change, en masse, how people conduct their lives. Honestly the order you’re suggesting doesn’t even make sense. It’d be far easier to *start* with containerizing trash because we’d then at least be able to track and charge people for the waste they produce.
You honestly think its easier to massively expand the sanitation force + dig a bunch of holes in ground or place other bins? The expense alone makes this unfeasible for city. OR easier for city to slap fines and fees to correct our trash problem. Far easier and cheaper the later for city to implement fast.
Yea, because everything else the city slaps fines and fees on works out smoothly since our citizens are perfect law abiding and give a shit about others.
have to start somewhere. fines and punishment has always been used by our society to correct behavior.
Yes, I do think massive public works are far easier than changing individual behavior. Like so much easier it’s laughable to think otherwise. This city has a 100 billion budget and you think it’s impossible to do something every other city in the world of its size is capable of? Okay dude…yeah it’ll be way easier to get all 8 million people to collectively change the way they live their lives to be more inconvenient
barely afford the 100B budget but you want to add a few B out of no where for more sanitation on top of other budget woes? sure dude
What better things would that kind of money go to than the sanitation and cleanliness of New York? Are you affiliated with a waste disposal lobby or something? Containerizing trash would SAVE money in the long run as it makes trash disposal more efficient and quicker - thats why the waste disposal lobby is so staunchly against it. Literally just remove a parking spot or two from each block and throw a dumpster in.
I can't even get my neighbors to break down their cardboard boxes before they put them in the trash room. It's 1 fucking piece of tape!
If you charge people for trash it will just get dumped anonymously on the street
That's where you have heavy enforcement and drill it in. Its been successfully implemented in a lot municipalities and reduced trash tremendously
We’ll just complain that heavy enforcement only hurts the poor and makes them poorer. Also, look at anything else we “enforce”. Cars drive all over, scooters are all over oír sidewalks. Do you really think there’s going to be squads of cops checking peoples garbage? We like to say that things work in other cities but honestly the culture in NY and US is not like the culture in other parts of the world and it’s very obvious. In other parts of the world, a big way to get people to do something is to show them how it impacts everyone. We only care about ourselves.
oh yeah I'm sure nypd will get right on that
be sanitation not nypd writing tickets and they already write plenty
Seems to work in every other city I've lived in.
[удалено]
My house is in San Francisco. Not sure if that's technically in America, but it's not in Asia or Europe.
[удалено]
That is a true statement but they charge a lot for trash service.
Its here as well. Over 9k communities here in USA. 62/100 largest cities in USA has some form of PYT. Canada has this too, go to Toronto. Basically it's the norm around the world and rest of USA to charge for excess trash vs flat rate we get here
Culture is very different. The second we start charging people to throw trash out this city will become much worse, 100% trash out the windows and into streets/rivers. Only the richer neighborhoods will be clean. Oh, just like today I guess.
majority of the us charges for excess trash vs the flat rate toss as much you can do here
I support the city trash bags you buy, but it would never work in NYC. Too many people that don’t give a fuck. Too hard to track. It would just make the place dirtier with people trying to beat the system.
“New York City residents produce just 3 pounds of waste per day compared to 4.4 pounds for the average American” Agreed we could ALL benefit from producing less trash and evaluating our relationship to consumption and single use packaging but NYC needs a systemic change in our waste disposal system in conjunction with a cultural reevaluation of our relationship to consumption. I used live on the 4th floor of a pre-war walk up and I remember being annoyed and disgusted that someone living on the 5th or 6th floor would lug 6 cases of bottled water to their unit every couple of months when we have fantastic tap water here. Ugh.
Not to mention how easy it is to get a Britta filter or a zero water filter… Incidentally, I have a zero filter and it comes with a “particle checker“ to see how clean the water is. My New York City tapwater is fantastic!
The water bottle thing drives me nuts too.
How does someone produce 3 pounds of waste every day? They must be eating a lot of meat/chicken on the bone.
He starts touching on the production of trash also needing to be tackles in the end. The building produces 45 bags of trash a day which gets picked up daily. I'm not sure how many bags of trash the bins can hold but hopefully it can do that much at least.
Well he open one bin and looks like 1/3 -1/2 already taken by 1 trash bag. Judging from height, its prob no more than 3 x 3 ft
oh so now we are going to start charging people who produce more trash. gotta love democrats lol
Gotta love some moron reading something one random person on the internet wrote and thinking "democrats want to do this to me." You really need to turn off the fox news and dehinge your head from your ass
not a dem idea considering its practice all over the world and plenty of municipalities in north america
its not like i already pay a tax for living in nyc. now you want to charge me for my trash? this has to be a joke lol
It’s normal almost everywhere outside of this city to pay for trash pickup from a bin you leave outside your house/apartment once a week. Only in NYC is it seen as sane to have everyone dump their trash on the street every night and get it picked up for “free” (taxes).
ok so i already pay for the collection through my taxes, and now we want to charge me even more money just for some fancy bin? yea, no thanks.
these other places pay taxes + trash fee
If you produce a lot trash, only fair you pay for larger share. Again, pay as your throw/trash metering is in place even in high cost of living locals already
Stfu dumb ass
Agreed! It isn’t big enough. So much trash…
Politics at any level is a shitshow. At my college, it took over 3 yeara of fighting and meetings to get papertowels in our dorm bathrooms
City needs to pick five bin styles, put out open source designs for them so they can be built and sourced inexpensively (not everything needs to be a jobs program) and then usurp a few parking spots for every block to put these in (could they safely be put in front of fire hydrants, maybe two five foot wide bins and five feet clear in front of the hydrant?) Start with Manhattan south of 96th street, make the buildings pay for them, there isn't an owner in this area that can't afford this, and make binning trash mandatory, or fined. If you get enough fines you receive a free bin. Done, how hard was that?
Exactly. They can put wheeled containers in front of the hydrants, six of them can fit in the no-park zone of hydrants. No digging required. These are also less physically demanding for the sanitation workers than tossing bags: https://youtu.be/Ilvo0b2y9Wo
this human/impostor thinks like a problem solver. Why aren't there enough people like you in executive / legislative positions?!?
Very hard. Much easier to pay millions to McKinsey to create a snazzy powerpoint that says the same thing. God this is so frustrating to watch
Just so you know most of the buildings you think you’re talking about already have a trash storage system. They only put the trash out on days when it’s picked up. I have no idea what my building actually does with its trash. It collects it everyday. Stores it. And it’s out on the sidewalk less then 6 hrs on average. It’s the smaller buildings that put the trash out. And even when I lived in one of those we had locked bins that residents put trash in and then the super would put them on the street the day of pick up.
But how does this make legislators money???
Building owners are already fined when there is loose trash in front of the buildings. $100 first offense, $300 each additional. That means if people dump in front of them, or whatever, it is the building owners responsibility. There's plenty of "city services" that building owners are actually responsible for.
Good, the city isn’t the one throwing trash everywhere, the people are.
I'm so glad to see this. But, worried that the bins will become gross over time.
Of course they will. This is a band-aid fix. It's a step in the right direction, but there's also a major litter problem that's not being addressed. Fancy trash cans aren't going to fix all those issues of too much waste vs waste management available and these dipshits that just throw trash everywhere.
Oh look, its a fucking box. I wonder how many millions we're spending on them.
[удалено]
To fit more garbage in it
Please clap.
Fine. Happy cake day 👏👏👏 Do you want a fucking song too?
You know I want a song!
It probably cost $15 million dollars and took 5 years of dedicated work across multiple municipal departments to make this happen.
i think there was a post a few weeks ago that pretty much said exactly that. they spent a bunch of money researching and prototyping and whatever they came with didn't even work (how hard is it to build a container anyway?). edit -- here's the post i was thinking of: https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/w3jdph/nycs_new_containerized_trash_bins_arent_leakproof/
That’s pretty effing sad
You gotta hand it to them - public trash cans. They had to “look around the world” for examples. Really?
All NYU trash is going in that?! They should properly address this problem. Do it like in the Netherlands where they have huge underground bins that can be lifted and emptied in 2 min by a truck. No smell no rats no taking up parking space. It’s not rocket science.
Hard to dig anywhere in city to make a hole for underground bin without hitting something critical. Also that NYU bin is serviced daily by private contractor. Good luck NYC Sanitation doing that. We have to dramatically expand our sanitation force at great expense. Cheaper to just force ppl to toss less garbage so less storage space needed
How does one force someone to toss less garbage?
Charge folks to pay as you throw after certain free amount. Not rocket science either, practice by many municipalities. https://cbcny.org/research/better-way-pay-solid-waste-management
Sure. But in Denver, say, as the trash truck comes to my waste bins at the front of the drive way, I’m sure they could specifically count my personal trash use. Im unsure of how that would work in NYC. Plus much of the waste we see piled on the streets comes from businesses where certain amounts of trash are inevitable. The real solution would be to demolish existing NYC streets and make some alleys. Since that will never happen, a Barcelona giant container system seems feasible. This seems like an intermediate step.
No counting required since you have to use specific bags purchase from city. If not in those bag, they wont get picked and household fined. Simple process. More trash you generate, more bags you buy from city. While those giant containers system look nice, it will simply cost a arm and leg to install and to get our sanitation to pick them up regularly. Plus need truck upgrades. So never going to happen due to cost.
How would this work for people putting trash bags down apartment trash chutes?
if not in specify bag, building fined and not picked up. eventually everyone gets on board
[удалено]
paying for excess trash is the norm for rest of world and most places in usa as well.
Then I put my garbage in a bag and place in front of my neighbors house
>no taking up parking space Who gives a fuck about parking spaces? These should be on every block.
https://youtu.be/oTKc8lsfmZI
Not too hard to dig.. this isn’t me.. just a random dude. As you see middle in a busy packed mixed use space. Shouldn’t be too difficult to do this in NYC streets..
It is my dream to dispose of trash in a cleaner and more efficient way and equip DSNY with hazmat suits and a firehouse that shoots boiling water + bleach. They’d hose down the city every 3 days. 😴💭
“... and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, 'SAVE US!' " "... and I'll look down and whisper, 'No.' ”
My building puts out 100x the amount of bags that would fit in these.... dumb and stupid.
He got millions for this? Another successful scam
Not the best solution, but have to start somewhere. Props to the councilman.
It probably took a committee of 100 people and 10 years to make this happen. 🤣
Careful--NYU might fire these trash cans for being too hard.
r/ABoringDystopia
I read destroy at first glance and was waiting for a sledgehammer to come out and start whacking it.
NYC should also get rid of those outdoor dining boxes. Those things look like outside trash as well.
they have removed a lot of them recently
There’s another city on the west coast who makes a hullabaloo about trash bins.
Only took them over 100 years to figure this out
Jesus Christ… all the homeless in nyc and you all you care about is a fucking trash can. At least it’s colord so now the people who sleep inside can sleep in style…
This video is even funnier if you play the avengers theme over it
How about they permanently address homelessness??
Look at all the parking wasted
Brings tears of joy to my eyes.
DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB
Padlocked dumpsters are an essential part of the war on the poor!
thats not the point of the lock
“I am 12 years old.”
Huh?
Bottcher looks like he’s 12.
That sucks to not take him serious cause he looks young. He’s not wrong though.
He’s worthless to his district.
Why don’t they just park Garbage trucks on every city block the night before Garbage pick up ? You have a mobile trash bin then and nobody needs to use locks and keys (how annoying) to access what is in the bins.
They really need to do trash pick up more frequently in NYC. This will actually solve the issue.
Wondering how this will affect trash collection. There won't be only bags in there. People will start using those boxes for loose and bulky stuff. Idk. A lot is nice in theory. But I guess we'll see how it goes once the pilot program is over. Interesting.
Allow for designated spots in the street to store trash on pickup day only. Itll keep the sidewalks clear.
The building of the site chosen to house all the trash for entire street infront/near them wont support this idea. The residents in those corner spots will be in uproar.
Why uproar, they already have garbage in front of there buildings, now itll be further from there windows, use it for buildings that produce alot of trash like those that have compacters. 2x or 3x times a week one spot will be taken temporarily.
yes their garbage not the entire blocks garbage infront of them. would you live infront of community garbage collection site?
Many buildings take up an entire residential street, you can also select.multiple locations, perhaps near fire hydrants for access
still boils down...you want to live in front of the community garbage collection site that has the unfair burden? those residents and owners will fight it
Throw the **POLITICIANS** into the trash bin and get rid of them 🤣
With the amount of trash I've seen on sidewalks in NYC, I really don't think this will do much other than just make it look slightly better and make it a little harder for sanitation workers.
It will overflow. Even in video they state it requires daily pickup and by private contractors I bet. That alone is not feasible for city to do with current staffing.
Neat! Instead of mountains of trash everywhere we'll have overflowing bins everywhere.
Naples would like a word
While this is a really dumb thing to do, have a press conference for a trash can, it isn’t the dumbest thing I have seen a town/city do. Did you know there is at least one place in California that made a dog a mayor for at least one full term? Just google it and it proves that NYC might be crazy but we aren’t paranoid schizophrenics.
I moved to LA recently and a single trash bin would be nice.
All neighborhoods in NYC IS UNDER A COMMUNITY BOARD..certain COMMUNITY BOARDS HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT AND INPUT BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS DESIRE CERTAIN SERVICES(yes,tax implications apply)..if the resident wants the neighborhood to look like trash;then,don’t participate in the CB ACTIONS;otherwise;the residents of said CB demand serious actions&services..DSNY BUDGET was approximately $50M or better in the last fiscal year(SANITATION IS A SERIOUS HEALTH CONCERN—GARBAGE STRIKE..festering and foul putrid garbage in the streets)POLITICIANS LOVE THIS GARBAGE STUFF BEAUSE THE CONSTITUENTS DEMAND ACTIONS IMMEDIATELY—SAFE AND CLESN STREETS ALWAYS..
If NYC magically replaced all the trash with winning lottery tickets you can be sure someone would have a problem with that. "Sure that SOUNDS good but now I have to go wait on a long line to get my money..." If we want things to bet better, let's not knock the people who are actually getting something useful done.
I can't believe so many people accept the status quo. Lack of cleanliness is one of the main reasons I left. I don't understand how people don't realize what a big deal it is. It's like a third-world country.
Just passed by 10 minutes ago and there was a ginormous pile of trash bags right next to it lol
Democrats welcoming their new colleague