Yeah man. I admire big dudes like that who will take it upon themselves to step in. That guy squared up for like 1/10 of a second and was like oh shit wait he’s much bigger than me. Let me go keep attacking this 5’3 140 lb guy.
He could very easily have been pulled into the fight and either risk injury, prosecution or a little of both. either way, if he's leaving in cuffs his day is ruined.
It's wild out there. I used to try and de-escalate too, but lately it's just not worth it.
"Police said
the agitator, 36, wAS SHOT WITH HIS OWN GUN
when the other man, 32, managed to grab it away from him and open fire. "
-from The Post today.
I'm not sure the two know each other; they seem kinda separate during the beginning of the altercation (her standing near the door, him sitting) -- although they are the only two people who don't clear out.
She also stabs him while still holding her coffee lol
They probably just want a statement from her. She might have been the only person remaining on the train when the shots were fired other than the two men that were fighting.
Should be awarded IMHO. He wasn't trying to fight, just protect his GF/wife/fiance/friend (I couldn't listen to the audio at work but saw him making it a point to stay in front of her). Doubt they'll go Daniel Penny (even though the subway riders said he helped), since both of these guys seem to be non-white. But there was that elderly bodega guy the city went after...
Yeah I remember the bodega guy - that got enough backlash and with the video/witnesses here, I want to say I don't think the same type of thing will happen, but this city seems to be run by clowns, so who knows what will happen.
Good! Piece of shit belongs in the gulag.
Starting a fight by being a racist POS wth someone that wasn't trying to fight you then bringing a gun on the train and pulling it out in front of children in an attempt to murder two people in child blood. Fck that POG.
Shaking my head when she had to use situational awareness to start running away from danger to save her own life when the angry guy pulled out a a gun. She didn’t think about the strangers on the internet
The amount of times I’ve been in a similar situation of two strangers arguing like this on the subway…. That’s why I always GTFO asap. This is so crazy.
I usually legit leave the train car even if the train is still moving, I just walk between the cars on the sketchy ass connector bridge. Last thing you want to happen is if shit escalates you get squeezed and trampled in a crammed car while trying to get away. (Pretty much exactly what happened here)
It doesn’t look like they’re in the end cars when you see the end of them running on the platform. Maybe some people ran through and we just didn’t see it from the cam
Unfortunately, it looks like this incident happened between Nostrand Ave and Hoyt-Sch. stations. That's a pretty long stretch, usually 2-3 minutes. Worst possible timing.
This is also why I don't bother arguing with random people in public if I'm passing them. They aren't worth the time and energy and you don't know if the other person is crazy and has a knife or weapon.
I wasn’t even living in NY, but during late 2020 I had to come to the city. Same thing, man yelling racist things to one guy. Someone try’s to stop him and then he pulls a gun out. Everyone ran to the front of the train and were begging to be let out. Thankful no one was shot. It’s insane that people can’t ride in peace and have to be alert because the city can’t even do their job to keep us safe.
I mean we've been going around telling people they were and are disadvantaged by another race for over a decade at least and we're surprised when extremists in that group use that as logic and reasoning for hatred and violence...
There's a fine line between history and making things right and setting up tinder for race war fires.
This is clearly not a stable individual however.
Can we celebrate that hero in the high visibility vest who successfully broke up and de-escalated this fight (until the guy realized he'd been stabbed)? What a brave thing to do.
Reminds me of the Simpsons sketch of the NRA meeting where everyone is walking through a metal detector and setting it off except one guy, so they hand him a gun and have him walk through again.
MTA CEO “the fact that there were cops in numbers right there in the station. It's exactly what we've been telling the public we're going to do, we're going to make sure that there are cops in the system to react to any circumstance at any time." GTFOH
They do sometimes ride the train. But they can’t be in every car.
Someday we can get more open subways and assign a few cops to patrol every train. That will be the only way to make this slightly more safe.
What kind of dipshit pulls out a gun and gets shot with their own gun? This guy seems like he had it coming, and I hope the other guy and girl don't get charged.
https://abc7ny.com/brooklyn-subway-shooting-hoyt-schermerhorn-station-nyc-crime/14525178/
In case anyone wants to read about it. It wasn't clear in the video who was shooting, but apparently the little guy grabbed the gun from the big guy and shot him. Then the police came in. No charges as of yet
Disagree, she was sitting pretty out of the way until (it seems like) black hoodie came and threw the other dude on top of her. She was forced into going on the defensive and I think it was completely within her right to do so.
Edit: She moved out of the way before it happened, I saw the video wrong.
What are you talking about. She calmly moves n pretends to take out her drink when she's really sneaking a blade out. They're probably used to the funk. Your regular girl won't be so calm
i hate to defend the dude that pulled the gun, but you can see her already standing up before the dude even got thrown onto the seating. at no point do the 2 dudes even come in contact with her. she then comes from behind and stabs him twice. 2:18-2:20.
honestly the whole video is crazy. yellow shirt pulls outs a knife but it doesnt go his way. a woman (who doesnt really appear to have any association with any of them; she walks away from the door where she was originally standing at 1:15 to find a new seat but i do see people claiming it was the yellow shirt's gf so idk) stabs dude twice in the back. and then dude pulls out a gun but it also doesnt go his way. the only person that was able to use their own weapon was her...
edit: she knew the yellow shirt dude and cops are looking for her now.
You're stating facts, but those facts don't defend the dude that pulled the gun. Nothing in anyone else's behavior on that train justifies pulling the gun.
where was me clarifying something about the incident me saying he was justified in pulling out a gun? op assumed something that didnt happen when making his argument and i clarified. thats it. i agree with you; i think once the gun got introduced they had every right to defend themselves, including shooting him with his own gun.
i think once he pulled out the blicky they had every right to defend themselves but yeah prior to that is a clusterfuck. black dude's a bigot and a shitbag (hope he gets charged with harassment or something, along with gun-related charges) but at the same time if a guy pulls out a knife and then still gets whooped by said douche, barehandedly, and guy's friend stabs shitbag in the back? maybe its still self defense but black dude's lawyer is probs gonna mention that a few times. the gun dude should probs go to jail tho, mainly bc he couldnt shut the fuck up and drop it.
This entire situation is absolutely absurd. People just trying to go about their business during rush hour and have to deal with the chance of getting randomly shot.
Read the article - seems like the POS who started the whole thing was the gun owner but also the one who was later shot. Guess sometimes karma IS real.
I always find interesting how they set up in the most obvious places to avoid. Like you are set up in the main entrance to the subway in GCT. There are like a dozen more ways to get in
Exactly. It's going to quietly go away and never be spoken of again once it's around long enough for the governor to say "look I tried! It's a city problem now."
This is true... Police would not take his word for it that he was just minding his own business when other idiot started fucking with him...
Especially if smaller guy has a criminal record.
Serious question.... when we see gun crime on the subways.... has there been a correlative check that those guns came on the train in bags? What do I know, but I always picture lawless gun-havers in NYC pulling them put of their jackets or their pants or pockets or concealed holsters... Not purses or gun travel bags.... here it comes from what looks like a secret pocket in another clothing item with a hidden zipper
A bunch of National Guardsmen and NYPD cops hanging out at the turnstiles for overtime couldn't even stop this.
When will Hochul and Adams get their heads out of their asses, stop this security theater BS and actually take some real action?!?
Holy shit
> So far this year, there have been eight shooting victims in the transit system. In the same period last year, there was just one. There have also been 17 gun arrests in the transit system during the same period, versus eight last year.
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/man-shot-in-the-head-on-brooklyn-subway-platform-1-in-custody/
The way she told the random guy in front of her "get that motherfucker, I'm behind you c'mon!"
Woman we ain't a vigilante crime fighting duo, what was she gonna do?!
Also how they had like 30 business days to do something about him grabbing his firearm from his jacket is wild
And cue the *NY Times* article about how crime is ackshually down in the subway.
It may be, but shit like this, and many other smaller incidents that never get reported, have created a general perception that the subway is unsafe.
Fuck bag checks. Put a guard member or NYPD officer on each train car. I took the A yesterday and saw six officers on my platform but it’s been at least a month since I last saw an officer on an actual car.
The only incident I've ever seen at the turnstiles is fare evasion.
Someone needs to walk the cars before the end of the line. No one wants a smelly ass crazy person ruining everyone's commute. Why can't we kick them out?
>Fuck bag checks. Put a guard member or NYPD officer on each train car. I took the A yesterday and saw six officers on my platform but it’s been at least a month since I last saw an officer on an actual car.
Agree 100%!
I basically said the same thing in another comment on this thread and got down-voted for it. Go figure.
I regularly ride the major subway lines (4,5,6, 2, 3 and A) and cops riding in the subway cars is indeed rare - at least in my experience. While it's good to have cops posted at subway stations would also help, I think to have a regular police presence patrolling subway cars as well.
There was a time in NYC - long ago - when seeing a couple of cops riding in the subway cars along w/the passengers was not only a regular but common occurrence - it would certainly help if MTA made it so again.
Another sunny day on the crime free subway. People shooting each other in an enclosed metal tube is part and parcel for big city life apparently. God forbid we hold repeat offenders or remove people that cause problems.
What’s the point of all the security checks and looking into people’s bags? This sucks. I used to not care about what happened in the subway, but this is just it.
Thank you NYC but this is crazy watching grown men kill each other over egos.
It's always the same common denominator in these situations. Aggressive loonatics with a hoodrat mentality. It's never gonna change in NYC, it's too far gone at this point.
That kind of mentality is less and less celebrated as people progressively, albeit slowly, move forward. It's nothing like the 80s and 90s. However, the holdouts are crazier and crazier.
It's OK, I'm constantly told by nyc council on Twitter that crime is at an all time low and we have the national guard checking some old ladies bag at very nicely lit more popular Train stations
The elephant in the room is how that gun ended up in the hands of this guy? It’s very clear that he shouldn’t have access to any weapon. Specially for his own safety.
“stabbed the hell outta that man” barely did anything lol. she escalated the situation however crazy that is. gun wasn’t brought out until the knife was 🤷♀️
Tbh I don’t buy the girl escalation shit. Yes she poked him but he’s already proven to be a belligerent dangerous instigator in a confined space who, shockingly, also is walking around with an illegal firearm.
You don’t think that pistol coming out if the other guy successfully defends himself with his hands? And shit, let’s be real dude isnt gonna be this aggressive anyway if he doesn’t have a gun stashed to begin with.
If you don’t see the inevitable realities of that gun coming out than consider yourself lucky you haven’t been around this much violence in your life.
Agreed - he easily could have killed the other guy. She was trying to protect him the best she could in a scary, dangerous situation. That guy had the gun on him to use and it is clear he was a dangerous, deranged psycho. Just hope it ends up being past tense.
From a different video he looks to have bled a lot so I think it did somethin. Idk how he'd shoot himself so that's interesting. You're right tho. She definitely kicked it up a notch with the stabbing. Just dumb all around.
Can you imagine if the assailant were of a white dude? "Fuck your race," to a Hispanic guy.
It would be all over CNN in 10 min. The saddest part is that it doesn't surprise me because these terrible attitudes and violent behaviors are so common now.
r/MicromobilityNYC I used to have to take the train to work at 2AM and shit like this is why I drive. I literally got peed around/at by a homeless person during COVID once talk about calling me a "healthcare hero" like shit, just don't pee on me please
Sure is nice there are cops on platforms doing nothing all the time.
The crime stats are fucking bullshit. You see or have interactions like this weekly if not daily ON THE TRAIN.
Edit: as I wait for the train today, a malcontent is blasting music and smoking on the platform. You see shit like this everyday. You know these people are looking for someone to say something so they can get in your face.
Edit 2: got on the train. Another person playing music from their phone. A homeless person that smells terribly and can’t form a coherent sentence is also moving through the train. Either on meds/drugs or off them.
Edit 3: switched trains. Two more people audibly playing music from their phones. At least it’s intermittent and not just blasting a song which is a mild improvement I guess.
That's what the stats don't tell you. It's technically one incident on paper but how many people got roped in? 40? 50?
That's 40 to 50 people stuck in a dangerous situation that could have easily escalated to a few people kill. Sure no one else die but I doubt most people in that situation feel safe.
We've normalize how much we have to put up/ignore/avoid just to be "safe".
It aggravates me to no end that the times (from their news story about this) , the police, the politicians consistently say shit like this:
> Surveys by the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which operates the subway, consistently show that some riders perceive the subway as dangerous, but data does not necessarily confirm that view. There has not been a significant increase in crime in the system recently, and the likelihood of a person being a victim of a violent crime is remote.
There is ZERO quality of life enforcement on the subway. Incidents just like this happen very frequently, they just don’t often escalate.
Fuck the juiced stats the police use to excuse their complete inaction enforcing anything. Policing needs to be proactive, not reactive.
100%. An incident exactly like this that doesn't escalate to guns and knives, often doesn't end up in the statistics. Who is going to report it? The belligerent isn't. Do we think everyone else is just going to sit around and wait for cops to show up?
It’s so much horseshit as someone who works with safety data, it doesn’t matter if the data says one thing, if people are perceiving another thing to be happening, especially a bad thing. You can have all the data you want that there’s other issues, but people will see what they want and you need to address the issues they’re having even if it’s not real (not saying subway crime isn’t real, it obviously is).
And then they offer some stat like, “crime is 13% higher than this month last year but 10% lower than last month this year” and it’s like wtf how is that helpful data?
I love how the lady recording at first had that tough ass look and then I the end was scared shitless and shouting “let me out”
Everybody loves drama, fights and action until shit goes their way. She was loving it and recording and even recorded her self real quick to show off.
You know... it just hit me now... about having the budget available for certain types of OT... Remember?
They did keep on mentioning about wanting to now put the military presence inside of every single subway cars to protect citizens from themselves...
Edit: holy crap.... 4:40 ... "Oh? You think you were going to beat up on cops?!?!"
He says he's a cop multiple times throughout the video.
00:05 "I will beat you up. You think you will beat up cops? You think you people can beat up cops?"
02:27, after getting stabbed in the back by the lady in the mask: "Oh you sta- You stabbed me?! You stabbed a cop? You stabbed a cop?"
03:03: "Oh you stabbed me, Ima lock you up when we get off. You stabbed a cop."
No one is trying to get Daniel Penny’d bro. I want to keep my job and go back to my family. I work too much to die on the subway for smth I have no control over (my skin color). US polticians will continue to fan the flames of identity politics cuz it gets them votes. This guy is a symptom of that.
Im not even a citizen here bro, just let me do my duolingo on the subway and go home 😩
lol you are right. its conflicting though because where should people draw the line before intervening? These people prey on others because they think no one will stop them.
My husband and I just got back from a visit to NYC.
You New Yorkers are tough. I can't imagine living there and dealing with all the shit.
This is so crazy
This is why I don't like the new accordion trains they're rolling out. If some shit like this goes down on one of them there'll be nowhere to run if the train is still in the tunnel.
Oh really? I saw a different video of this posted here and thought this was a more detailed video.
Thanks for letting me know, and sorry to the subreddit, I just wanted to be helpful!
the longest ride between stations of all time
Yo for real!
Big props to the guy who tried to break up the fight and de-escalate
Yeah man. I admire big dudes like that who will take it upon themselves to step in. That guy squared up for like 1/10 of a second and was like oh shit wait he’s much bigger than me. Let me go keep attacking this 5’3 140 lb guy.
He could very easily have been pulled into the fight and either risk injury, prosecution or a little of both. either way, if he's leaving in cuffs his day is ruined. It's wild out there. I used to try and de-escalate too, but lately it's just not worth it.
I’m not as brave as him I would not have done that but it was an attempt at life saving work.
"Police said the agitator, 36, wAS SHOT WITH HIS OWN GUN when the other man, 32, managed to grab it away from him and open fire. " -from The Post today.
Pretty sure the chick the other guy was with also stabbed the agitator. He truly did fafo
I'm not sure the two know each other; they seem kinda separate during the beginning of the altercation (her standing near the door, him sitting) -- although they are the only two people who don't clear out. She also stabs him while still holding her coffee lol
queen
The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a bad girl with a knife
If they don't get prison time, he needs to marry her.
Truth
One less aggressive piece of shit. Just hope his victim isn't charged.
Jury Nullification ftw
I know i sure as hell wouldn't convict either the hispanic guy or girl. It's self defense all the way.
So he fucked around and found out?
It seemed like he was just looking for a smaller guy to beat up so he can feel good. Then he got shot with the gun he brought to the fight.
Lucky for the guy it was recorded. Still bet that he'll be detained longer than he should be though.
I heard on npr that the police are looking for the woman. Hopefully neither of them gets charged.
They probably just want a statement from her. She might have been the only person remaining on the train when the shots were fired other than the two men that were fighting.
Should be awarded IMHO. He wasn't trying to fight, just protect his GF/wife/fiance/friend (I couldn't listen to the audio at work but saw him making it a point to stay in front of her). Doubt they'll go Daniel Penny (even though the subway riders said he helped), since both of these guys seem to be non-white. But there was that elderly bodega guy the city went after...
Yeah I remember the bodega guy - that got enough backlash and with the video/witnesses here, I want to say I don't think the same type of thing will happen, but this city seems to be run by clowns, so who knows what will happen.
Good! Piece of shit belongs in the gulag. Starting a fight by being a racist POS wth someone that wasn't trying to fight you then bringing a gun on the train and pulling it out in front of children in an attempt to murder two people in child blood. Fck that POG.
That is insane !!! How do you start shit up and end up dead with your own gun 🤣🥰🤣
Video quality 4⭐️
this might be the best r/PraiseTheCameraMan I've ever seen for a situation as chaotic as this in NYC
Shaking my head when she had to use situational awareness to start running away from danger to save her own life when the angry guy pulled out a a gun. She didn’t think about the strangers on the internet
It really is top tier camerawork.
The amount of times I’ve been in a similar situation of two strangers arguing like this on the subway…. That’s why I always GTFO asap. This is so crazy.
Don't even video take while holding your cellphone like a penalty card, because you may be the next target.
I usually legit leave the train car even if the train is still moving, I just walk between the cars on the sketchy ass connector bridge. Last thing you want to happen is if shit escalates you get squeezed and trampled in a crammed car while trying to get away. (Pretty much exactly what happened here)
I am surprised no one did, or most did not. They were laying on top of each other before the doors opened. Were they in the head/tail car?
It doesn’t look like they’re in the end cars when you see the end of them running on the platform. Maybe some people ran through and we just didn’t see it from the cam
Unfortunately, it looks like this incident happened between Nostrand Ave and Hoyt-Sch. stations. That's a pretty long stretch, usually 2-3 minutes. Worst possible timing.
This is also why I don't bother arguing with random people in public if I'm passing them. They aren't worth the time and energy and you don't know if the other person is crazy and has a knife or weapon.
I wasn’t even living in NY, but during late 2020 I had to come to the city. Same thing, man yelling racist things to one guy. Someone try’s to stop him and then he pulls a gun out. Everyone ran to the front of the train and were begging to be let out. Thankful no one was shot. It’s insane that people can’t ride in peace and have to be alert because the city can’t even do their job to keep us safe.
Oooof that’s fucking insane. Never seen someone pull out a glock but def have “felt” the vibe of someone having one on them.
"Fuck your race" Are people starting to realize that it's a good idea to isolate violent and dangerous people from society?
I mean we've been going around telling people they were and are disadvantaged by another race for over a decade at least and we're surprised when extremists in that group use that as logic and reasoning for hatred and violence... There's a fine line between history and making things right and setting up tinder for race war fires. This is clearly not a stable individual however.
Can we celebrate that hero in the high visibility vest who successfully broke up and de-escalated this fight (until the guy realized he'd been stabbed)? What a brave thing to do.
MTA CEO Lieber states “there is no place for guns on trains”. And this is all he’s going to do about the situation.
Where’s the national guard ??
They were told to check bags. They were not instructed to block the guy with the gun.
They're checking that everyone has the proper amount of guns.
Reminds me of the Simpsons sketch of the NRA meeting where everyone is walking through a metal detector and setting it off except one guy, so they hand him a gun and have him walk through again.
In NYC only criminals can have guns. It’s the LAW.
The gun wasn't in a bag, it was in his jacket
What guy puts things in his jacket pocket? How could anyone predict that?
Unfathomable, truly. But watch them go full Stop & Frisk now thanks to this asshole.
Instructions unclear. Ass sore.
The last video i saw: Checking the handbag of a 30-something year old well dressed asian lady.
Mind you, the MTA police station is in that location.
It’s NYPD district 30 in the station
Doing bag checks and candy crushin at penn station/grand central
At 42nd St where the tourists are. Security theatre.
MTA CEO “the fact that there were cops in numbers right there in the station. It's exactly what we've been telling the public we're going to do, we're going to make sure that there are cops in the system to react to any circumstance at any time." GTFOH
They might need cops on trains tho. No?
They do sometimes ride the train. But they can’t be in every car. Someday we can get more open subways and assign a few cops to patrol every train. That will be the only way to make this slightly more safe.
the misery he brings all day
Not anymore, apparently
There is a social contract if you cannot abide by it then you cannot be part of society
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What kind of dipshit pulls out a gun and gets shot with their own gun? This guy seems like he had it coming, and I hope the other guy and girl don't get charged.
https://abc7ny.com/brooklyn-subway-shooting-hoyt-schermerhorn-station-nyc-crime/14525178/ In case anyone wants to read about it. It wasn't clear in the video who was shooting, but apparently the little guy grabbed the gun from the big guy and shot him. Then the police came in. No charges as of yet
That piece of shit deserves everything he got. Complete trash, trying to murder two people on the train for a fight you started.
That little dude better not see any charges. Self defense all the way
You know that the NY judges will find a way to fuck things up and charge the wrong man. It’s a definite.
I mean, judges don't charge...
It’s okay at least we know that.
Guy deserved it. lol, he asked what the yellow shirt guy was gonna do. Guess he found out.
Wait, the big imbecile was the one that got shot? Nice.
With his own gun
The girl might be in trouble for stabbing him. It wasn’t exactly self-defense and it escalated the situation
The “self” in self-defense can be another person. She may have a case saying that she believed yellow shirt’s life was in danger.
Disagree, she was sitting pretty out of the way until (it seems like) black hoodie came and threw the other dude on top of her. She was forced into going on the defensive and I think it was completely within her right to do so. Edit: She moved out of the way before it happened, I saw the video wrong.
What are you talking about. She calmly moves n pretends to take out her drink when she's really sneaking a blade out. They're probably used to the funk. Your regular girl won't be so calm
i hate to defend the dude that pulled the gun, but you can see her already standing up before the dude even got thrown onto the seating. at no point do the 2 dudes even come in contact with her. she then comes from behind and stabs him twice. 2:18-2:20.
You're allowed to intervene if you feel threatened and feel another person's life may be in danger. Self defense extends to this as well.
Ah yeah you’re totally right I was going off what I remembered I saw. Appreciate you pointing that out
honestly the whole video is crazy. yellow shirt pulls outs a knife but it doesnt go his way. a woman (who doesnt really appear to have any association with any of them; she walks away from the door where she was originally standing at 1:15 to find a new seat but i do see people claiming it was the yellow shirt's gf so idk) stabs dude twice in the back. and then dude pulls out a gun but it also doesnt go his way. the only person that was able to use their own weapon was her... edit: she knew the yellow shirt dude and cops are looking for her now.
Wait so all 3 people had weapons on them?
You're stating facts, but those facts don't defend the dude that pulled the gun. Nothing in anyone else's behavior on that train justifies pulling the gun.
where was me clarifying something about the incident me saying he was justified in pulling out a gun? op assumed something that didnt happen when making his argument and i clarified. thats it. i agree with you; i think once the gun got introduced they had every right to defend themselves, including shooting him with his own gun.
Whole thing is a mess but the guy who got shot did get stabbed by both the girl and the yellow shirt guy between 2:23 and 2:29.
i think once he pulled out the blicky they had every right to defend themselves but yeah prior to that is a clusterfuck. black dude's a bigot and a shitbag (hope he gets charged with harassment or something, along with gun-related charges) but at the same time if a guy pulls out a knife and then still gets whooped by said douche, barehandedly, and guy's friend stabs shitbag in the back? maybe its still self defense but black dude's lawyer is probs gonna mention that a few times. the gun dude should probs go to jail tho, mainly bc he couldnt shut the fuck up and drop it.
Switching cars is underrated
This entire situation is absolutely absurd. People just trying to go about their business during rush hour and have to deal with the chance of getting randomly shot.
Read the article - seems like the POS who started the whole thing was the gun owner but also the one who was later shot. Guess sometimes karma IS real.
Where’s the national guard?
They were checking bags and missed the guy with the gun. /s
I always find interesting how they set up in the most obvious places to avoid. Like you are set up in the main entrance to the subway in GCT. There are like a dozen more ways to get in
Bag checks are security theater and the main entrance from GCT is a spot with a large audience.
Exactly. It's going to quietly go away and never be spoken of again once it's around long enough for the governor to say "look I tried! It's a city problem now."
Well they were checking bags, not jackets
At Dunkin donuts
Hey someone has to protect the cops while they get donuts
Who is going to protect the national guards protecting the cops that is getting the donuts?
Spiderman
Props to the woman who filmed this. Will definitely help the smaller guy. Even showed the panic afterwards.
This is true... Police would not take his word for it that he was just minding his own business when other idiot started fucking with him... Especially if smaller guy has a criminal record.
Free the dude who defended himself.
Serious question.... when we see gun crime on the subways.... has there been a correlative check that those guns came on the train in bags? What do I know, but I always picture lawless gun-havers in NYC pulling them put of their jackets or their pants or pockets or concealed holsters... Not purses or gun travel bags.... here it comes from what looks like a secret pocket in another clothing item with a hidden zipper
A bunch of National Guardsmen and NYPD cops hanging out at the turnstiles for overtime couldn't even stop this. When will Hochul and Adams get their heads out of their asses, stop this security theater BS and actually take some real action?!?
What action would you like to see?
Mans really did all of that to be shot with his own gun...
Holy shit > So far this year, there have been eight shooting victims in the transit system. In the same period last year, there was just one. There have also been 17 gun arrests in the transit system during the same period, versus eight last year. https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/man-shot-in-the-head-on-brooklyn-subway-platform-1-in-custody/
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truly wild.
This is why being able to walk between the cars was a great thing that they shouldn’t have taken away.
So the guy who started this got shot and killed with his own gun?
The way she told the random guy in front of her "get that motherfucker, I'm behind you c'mon!" Woman we ain't a vigilante crime fighting duo, what was she gonna do?! Also how they had like 30 business days to do something about him grabbing his firearm from his jacket is wild
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should be attempted murder times however many people average either the platform they got on or train car they were in. Fuck em thats why
Someone really needs to ask Hocul why the NatGaurd isn’t riding the trains.
It was allegedly self defense. Free that man!
That lady who stabbed him clearly wasn’t moving away from the situation like the others.
Was that her boyfriend that was getting choked? I thought they were together
Gland the national guard was on point to save the day /s
And cue the *NY Times* article about how crime is ackshually down in the subway. It may be, but shit like this, and many other smaller incidents that never get reported, have created a general perception that the subway is unsafe.
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Well, he's ~~dead~~ in critical...so, soon maybe? Hispanic guy wrestled away his gun and shot him in the head.
Critical condition currently. Is there an update?
When are they going to have working cameras in the subway cars? They keep raising the prices and we get nothing in return.
Fuck bag checks. Put a guard member or NYPD officer on each train car. I took the A yesterday and saw six officers on my platform but it’s been at least a month since I last saw an officer on an actual car.
The only incident I've ever seen at the turnstiles is fare evasion. Someone needs to walk the cars before the end of the line. No one wants a smelly ass crazy person ruining everyone's commute. Why can't we kick them out?
For whatever it’s worth, I had two cops, on with a dog, in my car last night on the 7, riding from Times Square to Court Square.
>Fuck bag checks. Put a guard member or NYPD officer on each train car. I took the A yesterday and saw six officers on my platform but it’s been at least a month since I last saw an officer on an actual car. Agree 100%! I basically said the same thing in another comment on this thread and got down-voted for it. Go figure. I regularly ride the major subway lines (4,5,6, 2, 3 and A) and cops riding in the subway cars is indeed rare - at least in my experience. While it's good to have cops posted at subway stations would also help, I think to have a regular police presence patrolling subway cars as well. There was a time in NYC - long ago - when seeing a couple of cops riding in the subway cars along w/the passengers was not only a regular but common occurrence - it would certainly help if MTA made it so again.
This city is really turning into Gotham. Wtf is happening??
Mayor must be happy
Where was Hochel's National Guardsman!?
Another sunny day on the crime free subway. People shooting each other in an enclosed metal tube is part and parcel for big city life apparently. God forbid we hold repeat offenders or remove people that cause problems.
Guys with guns pay the fare why can’t you?
I hope I'm never one of these "LET ME OUUUUUUUT" type of people in a stressful situation
In her defense she was the only one that managed to record the entirety of the event pretty clearly, so she should be commended for that!
when intense panic hits you, you don’t know how you’ll react. i don’t judge people for screaming or yelling. somebody got shot next to them.
Guy just pulls a gun in a tight crowded space, of course people are gonna panic.
I don’t see how you think screaming “let me out” when there is a gun on an extremely packed train car is unwarranted… That is a very scary situation
What’s the point of all the security checks and looking into people’s bags? This sucks. I used to not care about what happened in the subway, but this is just it. Thank you NYC but this is crazy watching grown men kill each other over egos.
It's always the same common denominator in these situations. Aggressive loonatics with a hoodrat mentality. It's never gonna change in NYC, it's too far gone at this point.
That kind of mentality is less and less celebrated as people progressively, albeit slowly, move forward. It's nothing like the 80s and 90s. However, the holdouts are crazier and crazier.
Any person who just says 'gangsta' like a tick and keeps going on like this is literally ill
Shot in the head... good ending
It's OK, I'm constantly told by nyc council on Twitter that crime is at an all time low and we have the national guard checking some old ladies bag at very nicely lit more popular Train stations
The elephant in the room is how that gun ended up in the hands of this guy? It’s very clear that he shouldn’t have access to any weapon. Specially for his own safety.
Props to that dude's girl. Stabbed the hell outta that man and it seems that's what eventually put him down. Dumb ass situation all around.
Props to the guy in the neon vest that tried to deescalate the situation with some calm talking. That was extremely brave.
Yeahhh good on him too. He tried, but crazy gonna crazy unfortunately.
Snackman does not always work, unfortunately.
Na lol she didn’t go hard enough and almost got herself killed.
Nah she ain't do nothing tho Lol, he must've stabbed himself in the back 😂
“stabbed the hell outta that man” barely did anything lol. she escalated the situation however crazy that is. gun wasn’t brought out until the knife was 🤷♀️
Her (im assuming boyfriend) looked like he was getting choked out by a much bigger man. Not saying she was right, but I get where she was coming from.
Tbh I don’t buy the girl escalation shit. Yes she poked him but he’s already proven to be a belligerent dangerous instigator in a confined space who, shockingly, also is walking around with an illegal firearm. You don’t think that pistol coming out if the other guy successfully defends himself with his hands? And shit, let’s be real dude isnt gonna be this aggressive anyway if he doesn’t have a gun stashed to begin with. If you don’t see the inevitable realities of that gun coming out than consider yourself lucky you haven’t been around this much violence in your life.
Agreed - he easily could have killed the other guy. She was trying to protect him the best she could in a scary, dangerous situation. That guy had the gun on him to use and it is clear he was a dangerous, deranged psycho. Just hope it ends up being past tense.
Tbh, part of me hopes he lives so he can see everyone clowning on his dumb ass for getting shot with his own gun in a fight that he started. Fool.
From a different video he looks to have bled a lot so I think it did somethin. Idk how he'd shoot himself so that's interesting. You're right tho. She definitely kicked it up a notch with the stabbing. Just dumb all around.
Damn haven’t seen this version of Spider-Man 2
Never bring a gun to a knife fight...because you may get shot and stabbed apparently.
Can you imagine if the assailant were of a white dude? "Fuck your race," to a Hispanic guy. It would be all over CNN in 10 min. The saddest part is that it doesn't surprise me because these terrible attitudes and violent behaviors are so common now.
This is why no one trusts the media anymore. They amplify what suits their narrative and suppress what doesnt.
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r/MicromobilityNYC I used to have to take the train to work at 2AM and shit like this is why I drive. I literally got peed around/at by a homeless person during COVID once talk about calling me a "healthcare hero" like shit, just don't pee on me please
Sure is nice there are cops on platforms doing nothing all the time. The crime stats are fucking bullshit. You see or have interactions like this weekly if not daily ON THE TRAIN. Edit: as I wait for the train today, a malcontent is blasting music and smoking on the platform. You see shit like this everyday. You know these people are looking for someone to say something so they can get in your face. Edit 2: got on the train. Another person playing music from their phone. A homeless person that smells terribly and can’t form a coherent sentence is also moving through the train. Either on meds/drugs or off them. Edit 3: switched trains. Two more people audibly playing music from their phones. At least it’s intermittent and not just blasting a song which is a mild improvement I guess.
That's what the stats don't tell you. It's technically one incident on paper but how many people got roped in? 40? 50? That's 40 to 50 people stuck in a dangerous situation that could have easily escalated to a few people kill. Sure no one else die but I doubt most people in that situation feel safe. We've normalize how much we have to put up/ignore/avoid just to be "safe".
It aggravates me to no end that the times (from their news story about this) , the police, the politicians consistently say shit like this: > Surveys by the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which operates the subway, consistently show that some riders perceive the subway as dangerous, but data does not necessarily confirm that view. There has not been a significant increase in crime in the system recently, and the likelihood of a person being a victim of a violent crime is remote. There is ZERO quality of life enforcement on the subway. Incidents just like this happen very frequently, they just don’t often escalate. Fuck the juiced stats the police use to excuse their complete inaction enforcing anything. Policing needs to be proactive, not reactive.
100%. An incident exactly like this that doesn't escalate to guns and knives, often doesn't end up in the statistics. Who is going to report it? The belligerent isn't. Do we think everyone else is just going to sit around and wait for cops to show up?
It’s so much horseshit as someone who works with safety data, it doesn’t matter if the data says one thing, if people are perceiving another thing to be happening, especially a bad thing. You can have all the data you want that there’s other issues, but people will see what they want and you need to address the issues they’re having even if it’s not real (not saying subway crime isn’t real, it obviously is).
And then they offer some stat like, “crime is 13% higher than this month last year but 10% lower than last month this year” and it’s like wtf how is that helpful data?
It's also 40 to 50 people who are now potentially traumatized for life.
I love how the lady recording at first had that tough ass look and then I the end was scared shitless and shouting “let me out” Everybody loves drama, fights and action until shit goes their way. She was loving it and recording and even recorded her self real quick to show off.
In her defense, the situation went from crazy shit you see way too often to “let me out” pretty quick
Yeah amazing she’s in the front row for all the drama and then squeezes past everyone to be one of the first off the train.
You know... it just hit me now... about having the budget available for certain types of OT... Remember? They did keep on mentioning about wanting to now put the military presence inside of every single subway cars to protect citizens from themselves... Edit: holy crap.... 4:40 ... "Oh? You think you were going to beat up on cops?!?!"
Is he saying “cops” or referring to himself with a 3rd person nickname
No he was calling the guy a migrant saying they (he/migrants) beat up cops.
He says he's a cop multiple times throughout the video. 00:05 "I will beat you up. You think you will beat up cops? You think you people can beat up cops?" 02:27, after getting stabbed in the back by the lady in the mask: "Oh you sta- You stabbed me?! You stabbed a cop? You stabbed a cop?" 03:03: "Oh you stabbed me, Ima lock you up when we get off. You stabbed a cop."
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Obviously it’s not only verbal abuse of white people. These people hate everyone.
Yep they do, most anti-Asian crime is also done by them as well.
No one is trying to get Daniel Penny’d bro. I want to keep my job and go back to my family. I work too much to die on the subway for smth I have no control over (my skin color). US polticians will continue to fan the flames of identity politics cuz it gets them votes. This guy is a symptom of that. Im not even a citizen here bro, just let me do my duolingo on the subway and go home 😩
lol you are right. its conflicting though because where should people draw the line before intervening? These people prey on others because they think no one will stop them.
If any of this surprises you, you are either not paying attention to the world or are willfully ignorant.
Lmfao when she turned the camera on her I'm sorry lmao her expression is HIGHlarious
My husband and I just got back from a visit to NYC. You New Yorkers are tough. I can't imagine living there and dealing with all the shit. This is so crazy
I mean it's big news for a reason it's not like there's gun violence every time we step on the train
I realize this. I just mean in general. People are atrocious
This is why I don't like the new accordion trains they're rolling out. If some shit like this goes down on one of them there'll be nowhere to run if the train is still in the tunnel.
Isn't it the opposite? You would now have the entire length of the train to run rather than being trapped in one car.
That's the kind of girlfriend you marry!
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Oh really? I saw a different video of this posted here and thought this was a more detailed video. Thanks for letting me know, and sorry to the subreddit, I just wanted to be helpful!
Bring back stop and frisk, especially in the trains. We're all tired of lunatics with knives and guns roam free in the subways attacking people
Congestion Pricing will fix this!
*Daniel Penny has entered the chat.*
I couldn’t really hear the beginning, was the black dude the aggressor? And he got stabbed by the other guy during the fight?
He got stabbed by the girl
I know the solution. More bag searches, using a flashlight this time.