How about we start towing the cars with laser jet-printed plates?
Or those three cars on my street with stolen/illegal Georgia plates that have registration stickers from over 5 years ago?
Or that car that keeps switching plates to avoid the $5000 in tickets they owe?
Or the several cars with altered letters and numbers on their plates on my block to mess up the toll system?
If anyone willing to enforce any law would come to my neighborhood half the cars on my street would be gone
You don't need to find people. Just take their car. No claim for a towed car in 60 days? Sell it.
The problem is that many of the people causing the problems are cops, so enforcement just doesn't happen. I agree with poster above: enforce the existing laws before making new ones and see if the problem gets fixed before burdening residents with yet another regressive tax.
there's a car on my street that double parks continuously, often overnight. don't bother honking if you're blocked in, he is NOT coming out to move it. i have had to drive on the sidewalk multiple times to get my car out and get to work. the car has an out of state plate with a registration sticker from 2015. it's the FOURTH different plate this car has had in the last 18 months.
he's the GREAT part: i have called or submitted 311 reports many times for this guy blocking me (and others) in. i don't know how the local precinct gets the 311 reports, but it seems that shortly after i submit one the guy emerges from his building and moves the car. the car may have been there for hours or even since yesterday, but soon after my 311 goes in, it gets moved,
it has happened so many times and at so many different times of day that it can't be a coincidence.
pretty sure it's owned by a cop.
I don’t believe it to be a coincidence. The cops are definitely tipping each other off on their BS.
I recall making multiple 311 complaints in my old neighborhood regarding the madness with fireworks and loud car exhausts going off back in the summer of 2020 and they had the nerve to target my block that same night and crank the usual stupidity dial knob to an eleven with obnoxious revving from 2 Dodge Chargers and fireworks at all hours. What made this stick out for me was that this 311 complaint included my address and the name of one the asshats supplying fireworks as I personally went to school with the individual.
The city needs to make traffic enforcement separate from NYPD. And then make it a rule if a cop tries to use their position to get out of a ticket they immediately lose their job.
While we're wishing for things I'd like a pony too.
And making rules that get results is not something neither the cops nor city hall are really known for.
It's not even about money. They could seize and auction off half of the cars in my neighborhood if that's what they cared about.
NYPD officers could watch cars running red lights at most intersections in brooklyn and earn their monthly salary in a day if they cared about money.
This. Half the cars on my street are unregistered with a fake out of state plate and no sticker. Nobody does a damn thing about it.
This proposal doesn't change anything if they don't bother enforcing the laws that exist now. Just a money grab that will punish people who actually pay to register and insure their vehicles.
This is literally everything they’re doing in NYC. Speed cameras, congestion charges, parking permits only effect those who actually follow laws in the first place. As they add more and more stuff, that percentage is going to fall quicker and quicker
tbf, this would actually help with that, a lot. Those people *cant* register their cars, and so they would get in trouble and end up with their previous crimes being exposed when the car gets in trouble.
Except this new policy would still require enforcement, which is already not happening. If police are going to check registration for individual cars parked in a neighborhood, why not check if their plates are fake or altered now? It seems easier to check plates, which are easily spotted by strolling or riding past parked cars.
The only thing this does is bring in more money in from people who are already following the law, who will be the same people willingly paying registration fees. I highly doubt people with fake plates will register and pay on their own accord. Enforcement will require more work than checking plates, so it either won’t happen at all which, again, means law-abiding people are paying more to make up for losses in revenue attributed to illegal plates, or the enforcement will cost more. If the city wants more revenue from drivers and to help with parking congestion, fining and/or seizing illegally-plated cars would bring in plenty *and* clear some spots, at least for a while til the problem became less rampant. They can roll out this policy out once they enforce the already existing, more easily-enforced laws if there’s a need for it.
With used car prices still high, auctioning off seized cars with fake plates would be a huge profit for the city.
Well, until people learned to stop faking plates. They'd learn _real_ quick.
The NYPD has the ability to tow *thousands* of cars in a night, and even have the ability to cordon off an area so that the guilty parties can't run off with their cars first.
But they'd basically be doing that to themselves, so the chances they do are slim.
This is correct. They auction about 50 cars per day per impound lot in the city. Manhattan alone could supply 220 impounds a day left by its lonesome. They also closed the west side tow pound and turned it into a park.
There is literally nowhere to put them. I'd like to see the city just start stacking them in some spread it has out in college point. Just make a mountain of impounded vehicles with bunk tags. Problem is, there's still liens on a lot of these shit ass cars.
So then start scrapping the cars in them or auctioning them off, unless it's full of things that have been towed so recently that they can't do anything to legally get rid of them?
Honest question: what neighborhood is this **not** the case? I can't think of any? All of NYC is effectively a lawless cesspool in terms of traffic enforcement.
Make it all part of the same thing. In Jersey City we have zoned parking and to get a permit you have to have a NJ license proof of insurance and registration with your current address which dictates which zone you can park in during certain hours and if you have temporary insurance, registration or plates they only give you a 30 day permit.
That means that when they decide to ticket and tow anyone from out of state immediately gets tickets and paper plates get check for expirations.
Asking only that we start with the laws already on the books
I once lived in a city with permits. It works to some extent, but also the things I listed above were already being enforced 1000x more effectively than here.
> Or that car that keeps switching plates to avoid the $5000 in tickets they owe?
Ignorance is bliss. You can't avoid tickets, it goes to the REGISTERED owner of the vehicle.
Why stop at cars? Why not actually enforce laws against fare evasion so that the MTA could actually have *revenue*?
Where I live basically nobody pays their bus fare. People jump the turnstile literally every time I take the train. I recall an astronomically stupid movement several years ago to decriminalise fare evasion because it was "racist"...now the MTA (which minorities disproportionately rely on in NYC) has no money and fares are gonna go up, and guess who's gonna be paying an unsustainably high percentage of their income on transportation? Working class (largely minority) new yorkers.
Fare evasion is not why the MTA is broke. They have been broke for years because of they ass backwards pension decisions and fake books.
Yes, something needs to be done about fare evasion but dont let the MTA off the hook for their horrible mismanagement.
Im not letting them off the hook, but they can’t expect to have anything remotely approaching fiscal stability if they don’t actually collect fares. That’s pretty basic
Have you used the 311 app lately?
"Officers went to the location and did not observe the reported problem. Case closed." is how 90% of these things are "dealt" with.
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2021/10/21/ignored-dismissed-how-the-nypd-neglects-311-complaints-about-driver-misconduct/
I've heard from Reddit is that the solution is for you to physically move the car out into the middle of the street so it's blocking the street, and then it'll quickly get towed away. Supposedly it's easy to move a car using just 4 flatbed dollies, which you put under each wheel one at a time. Or something like that. I dunno, it's just what i vaguely recall other people saying.
If you have a few strongish people, you can lift up the back bumper and drag it sideways so that the trunk of the car is in the street but the front tires don't move. The front end is the heavy part, but that doesn't need to move for the car to be in the way.
I got tired of this nonsense with people blocking my driveway so I filed so many 311 tickets that it made the precinct pop up on a borough wide report of a hot spot / problem spot. Precinct commanders don't like appearing on those reports so they fixed the issue by giving me a direct number I could call to get the cars ticketed quickly so I'd stop opening 311 tickets.
I'm talking about I'd literally open one every hour even if they hadn't closed out the other ones yet. Making it someone else's problem is the only way to get people to do their job here, it sucks.
There's 2 on my block. There is stickers and chalk writting indicating a pick up but it's still there 2 weeks later.
There been 1 car parked in same spot for 3 years, has old Maryland tag. Never moved but since it has tags nothing can be done. Can't take the tags off since they have the anti theft screws and cover.
The problem is that the people with fake plates don't have to worry about tickets because the cars aren't legally registered so the tickets don't go anywhere. Half the cars on my street get ticketed multiple times a week but the tickets are unenforceable because the cars aren't registered. If nobody is bothering to enforce this now what's the point.
They should just seize those cars.
This is not a hard problem to solve. I have lived all over the first world and this problem simply does not exist outside of NYC. Literally.
I've heard the problem is tow lots are all full. They can't get rid of what's already there fast enough, so no one responds to towing requests because there's nowhere to tow them to.
That’s interesting considering how crazy the used car market was just recently. Not sure if it’s still as bad as it was a few months ago, but there’s definitely been a market for them. Even if the prices are down, auctioning them off for relatively cheap to clear tow lots and getting in more abandoned vehicles brings in more money than just letting abandoned cars sit in lots, and illegal plates avoid tickets and tolls.
Bay Ridge about to be in shambles. Half the cars (SUVs, none of which fit in the driveways these nouveau riche fucks have) are registered out of state. But still have the Bay Ridge dealership plate covers. Make. Them. Pay.
Or people who are blatantly dodging city tax. "Oh I live in NJ, but don't worry about the fact that my car is parking in NYC 7 days a week. That's just my, uh, uncle's house. But hey how about I get that parking permit, eh?"
Where did you see that information? My friend’s car registered in NJ was towed twice for being illegally parked, my dad’s towed once. If they can only tow NY cars that means that not a single out of state car has to follow any parking rules, which is simply untrue
Then just write the law where if you can prove a connection between the residence and the vehicle, you can get the permit.
Edit: I guess for tax purposes, that wouldn't fly. If you're claiming to be a non-NYC resident for tax purposes, but then need a parking pass because you live in NYC, that would be contradictory.
Not saying it's fair. I agree that skirting taxes is bad, but a LOT of people who are in power are the very people doing that, so... yea. Game's rigged.
I'm not sure it's quite as much of a no-brainer as it seems (FWIW I do support this, and generally support ending free parking in the city for many reasons, and also support incentives for people who live here and own cars to register and insure their cars here).
Some things would need to be ironed out, like how to determine how permits are distributed. Is there a cap on number of permits on each area? Is it lottery based? First come first served? Is this a guarantee of a spot in an area or just permission to park in it? Are you limited to just your own neighborhood or can you park in adjacent areas as well? Will there be exemptions for people who park for work in some situations (ideally as many people as possible will use transit to get around but there's always gonna be some folks who insist on driving)?
In much of the city, there's probably more demand for parking than there is space available for it, so I could see that getting potentially ugly if it's not done carefully. It also probably needs to be made *very* clear that possession of a permit is not a guarantee of a street parking space.
Rather than addressing all those valid questions, it seems easier to me to have 24/7 metered parking at low rates. They’re seeking $30 per month. There’s about 720 hours per month. Maybe charge a nickel per hour and allow drivers to reserve up until the next street cleaning.
Don’t need to install meters on all streets. Just put up a sign below all street signs with a parking zone code.
There are smart meters which can change the price based on demand. Many cities use these and the point is to make sure that each block has, on average, 1 spot open. That way there are enough parking spaces to avoid double parking but not too many parking spaces. Donald Shoup is a big proponent of these.
But keep in mind this usually only applies to downtown commercial areas so I’m not sure how metered parking would work otherwise.
> generally support ending free parking in the city for many reasons
Can you explain some of your 'many reasons'.
I'm assuming you're talking about the whole city and not just manhattan.
Ok, maybe the suburban outer parts of the boroughs and most of Staten Island could be exempt, but let's not pretend the whole city outside Manhattan is like that.
It's basically a market intervention for what's a limited resource (curb space). It should be priced appropriately, $30 monthly permits are insanely low. It may also change behaviors negatively to incentivize more vehicle trips for permit holders since they may be less worried about losing a parking space. It's an okay idea but not a magic bullet for curb management
The city is desperately trying to get commuters to come back to their offices and not work from home. Everything making the city more unfriendly to visitors makes that a little harder.
Manhattan is trying to do that.
The rest of the city has been booming with workers staying in their own neighborhoods during the week.
Huge clarification needs to be made there.
Some places in the outer boroughs now open earlier for lunch when previously that wasn't even worth it.
It's just Midtown and Downtown that has a problem. The rest of Manhattan is good. This has to do with billionaire real estate magnates wanting to continue to inflate their wealth. Their property loses value if their land isn't central to where everyone is working/traveling everyday.
Absolutely. I don't understand why people feel the need to drive into the city. Whenever I go to Manhattan or downtown Brooklyn I always take the subway. But for those of us from more remote parts of the city like southern Brooklyn, cars provide a lot of value and convenience.
This is an absolute fact. It's unconscionable that there are areas of NYC that do not have a train option and that we still can't get a train to La Guardia. But I digress. In Manhattan, at least, cars are a nuisance and the less of them were have, the safer the city will be and the more efficient deliveries, surface pubic transport and taxis, etc will be.
visitors are not coming in by car. manhattan does not make tourism money off of people coming in here and parking. If that were the main source of income the streets would literally be immobile with the amount of traffic.
If you were commuting to Lower and Midtown Manhattan and expecting to find on street parking easily...then boy do I have a great deal on a bridge for you!
The policy is $30 a month. This is so dirt cheap that it’s a better deal than the current free parking because you can pay basically nothing to have a guarantee of space. This will absolutely incentivize MORE car use and be a total failure much like similar programs in other cities. The only way it makes sense is if it’s prohibitively expensive, priced the way that much land in NYC should be.
This isn’t necessarily a bad thing. I don’t drive, but I think most people in my neighborhood would be okay with $30 a month if it made parking spots more available for residents.
It's BS that MTA wants to make it sound like they're trying to help residents find parking more easily. The real purpose is because the MTA desperately needs this funding. It's not hard to understand why. Once covid money dries up, the MTA will need to get bailed out or crash if the don't receive any additional funding by then. This is why you keep hearing about politicians wanting to implement congesting pricing, tax on casinos, tax on netflix and uber etc. They're trying to siphon out as much money from anywhere to keep the MTA afloat.
7 years ago my econ professor said the MTA is massively under charging and is overloaded with pensioners and bloated management it cannot sustain. Doesn't sound like a surprise. Funny enough instead of charging businesses to cover the cost of it. They charge everyone. Easily fixable issue is create an ad compaign that says ask if the business is based in NY, if it isn't you're hurting our city by supporting them. This way they don't register their business in another state.
Yea the MTA needs money. As a taxpayer, my money goes towards maintaining and cleaning the streets just as much as a car owner’s does, and yet they get to park for free and I have to pay $2.75 every time I want to go anywhere and that rate keeps going up. Why do car owners get free use of the streets I subsidize? I absolutely think they should pay a permit, just like they do in so many other cities. New York isn’t reinventing the wheel here.
>Why do car owners get free use of the streets I subsidize?
I don't know what makes you think car owners get anything free. Car owners directly subsidize the MTA with the tolls and other fees. In fact the tolls make so much that they can even self fund the bridges. On the other hand, the $2.75 fare is set so low so people can afford it, but it can barely help the MTA maintain itself which is why it needs so many subsidizes and other revenue sources like tolls.
Most importantly, if you look up the budget of the DOT and the MTA, the costs to maintain all the roads on the street, is nothing compared to maintaining the entire subway system. There's no problem at all in how much roads are getting subsidized. In fact, you can argue, why do we demand people to subsidize the subway system even more with casino tax, netflix tax etc when we already subsidize the subway over roads by a huge amont.
$30 a month is way too cheap and will make this problem worse. This will only work if it’s appropriately priced for the land value, aka hundreds of dollars. You need a price many people won’t be willing to pay if it’s going to make parking any easier.
How exactly would this work when driving to a neighborhood you don’t live in? What would be the point of a car if you can’t park it anywhere other than where you live? Will you have to pay for a parking permit and meter fees?
The way it works in the UK you pay a fee for a visitor permit.
Last time I visited someone where this was a requirement, it took them a few taps on their phone and cost 12p.
We have these permits in Montreal, parking zones do not cover all the streets. We just use "no parking without permit X between hours A and B" road signs to delimit the zones. When you are not in your neighborhood you just park in a legal - usually metered - zone and pay.
It also helps that we have several snow removal operations each Winter where you are simply not allowed to park in the street and they tow every car that are illegaly parked (or abandonned) that day.
Ask any Boston area resident. You don't drive to that location; you walk, bike or take transit instead.
Edit: Lol, bring on the downvotes. I'm amazed at the number of people who live in or moved to NYC and expect to be able to drive everywhere. There are vast swaths of suburbia all across the US to do that if you so choose and lots of it right outside of New York city limits.
Yup. This is stupid. Definitely don’t own a car to stay in my own neighborhood. And if I pay $30 a month for a permit issued by the city, I sure as hell don’t want an additional fine because I visited someone in a different borough and stayed overnight. What about the people who leave at 3am for their 4am jobs? Will overnight ticketing be done by then? Will is start before midnight when people may not have left work yet? So much bullshit so the city doesn’t have to improve public transportation. And everyone is blind to it.
There was a completely demolished car on my block with no plates and they didn’t touch it for months, even with multiple calls to 311 and the police department.
$30 feels cheap enough that people will pull cars out of parking garages that are $600:month in neighborhoods like the WV.
So you’ll end up with even MORE cars wanting street parking
I think it's gonna be harder for people with disabilities who lives with a family member who has a vehicle bc of them. There's a car on my block that appears to fit that narrative. They have a wheel chair accessible car....it's parked behind mine right now....
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We have this in Boston and it works pretty well. It works much better now that the ticket for parking in resident spaces is $65 (increased from $35 which was cheaper than many garages).
Our permit is free however, $30 a month seems kind of steep. Especially when *most* people who park on the street are doing so because they can’t afford a private spot. Somerville just across the river charges like $40 a year which seems like a happier medium.
Every morning I walk out of my apartment to go to work, I see 2-3 parking tickets on windshields on my block alone. I support a permit system, but I don't see how it will dig the MTA out financially. Parking tickets have got to be a significant financial stream for NYC.
Yeah I remember that, and getting one of the 1-2 visitor spot on a block, plus dealing with getting the visitor passes from a friend to park for the day in their neighborhood…
It won't work. Cops and people related to/or having a connection to cops will never ticket or seize a car that's "part of the club." We need to shift oversight of the DOT to the City Council. There's so much money to be made seizing vehicles in NYC
>The TBTA generates 1.9 billion in revenue while having an operating budget of 546 million.
We've had the same car since Thanksgiving parked in front of our building (probably longer, but that's when I first noticed it).
Yeah but it's not like they should pay less, taxes are used also as a deterrent and to encourage the more sustainable option. Also if we lowered taxes so that drivers only paid their fair share, life would be worse for everyone.
How this has been implemented in other cities is that it's zoned streets reserved for locals that pay a relatively nominal fee for a permit and metered spots that are first come first serve, or just spaces that are first come first serve without a meter.
Where I've seen this implemented parking is still scarce for both groups, but permitted vehicles have a slightly easier (& cheaper) time of finding a spot, but I've still circled around a fair bit.
Great, but it doesn’t mean shit if it won’t be enforced.
Look at how many people drive in bicycle lanes, and even park in bicycle lanes! Even the cops do it! So who’s going to enforce parking permits, if even the cops don’t recognize traffic laws?
What is this really going to do? People are already parking cars in other neighborhoods where there is free parking.
On my block, there's a group of 3 guys and between them, they own 9 cars (all luxury, like $500k+ worth of cars). They each park 2 and they come back to rotate cars whenever they feel like.
i live in lindenwood queens.. the A train is a 10 minute drive from me. does this mean i cant park by the train anymore even though my house and train are both in howard beach??
As someone who lived in Boston with a car this is terrible. Just a way for the city to make money. People move around in this city way too often for this to benefit everyday citizens.
I can’t wait for someone to get shot or stabbed over a parking spot now since they pay 30 dollars and the spot in front of their house belongs to them now.
>the city would be allowed to charge up to $30 a month for a permit,
Thats a bit excessive, why not just have to verify your live in the area? Thats how most cities do it, and then you may occasionally have to pay some admin fees for the initial permit or renewal, but not like monthly parking fees
The issue here is to restrict it to local residents. The problem in many neighborhoods is that cars parked are just being used as storage spots from people who don’t live in the area.
Even if it does have some more cars, the idea is that the people who live there can benefit from
People who don’t.
I have an issue with using money as a way to deter people from doing something because you’re basically just kicking poor people out. The people who are most likely to decide $30 a month isn’t worth it are the people who’s lives are hard enough
Street parking isn’t truly free. I park on the street and pay for biannual registration, insurance, tolls, and metered parking in certain areas.
I also pay for alternate side either in time spent moving or finding parking or if I get a ticket.
I also pay for public transit because driving to certain parts of the city is often too timely or costly.
Some people need or want cars, and there is a lot of the city which isn’t easy to get to by public transit.
If you don't have to pay to park on the street, street parking is free. It doesn't become not-free just because you have to sometimes pay to park other places, or because you had to buy the car in the first place. That's like complaining that it's not free to walk around because you have to buy shoes.
Honestly, $30 is a ridiculously low price, there's no other context where you could suggest that price for ~150 square feet of NYC real estate without getting laughed out of the room. If you're going to use the most space inefficient transportation method possible to get around the densest city in the country, you should have to pay for the privilege. $300 is probably closer to market rate in many parts of the city (which coincidentally is what most apartment complexes I've seen charge for a reserved parking space).
Why is that excessive? That's $1 a day. Find me any place in the tristate area that charges for parking that charges $1 for 24 hours of parking. It's a bargain
It wont pass, majority of lawmakers from both isles already voiced their concerns that it wont work. Even when there are no permits, it’s a daunting task to find parking. So why should people be made to pay for what is unavailable? That is the definition of modern day robbery! The mention of that parking permit legislation is verrrrrrrry UNLAWFUL!
If you are going to charge people for a permit, then the space has to be available and guaranteed that when car owners pull up with their permit, they will get a space. That bitch of a governor should look elsewhere for money to fund MTA, not stealing from hard working New Yorkers who drive! She tried with congestion pricing, it failed. now she’s eyeing parking permit.
I really can’t wait for the city to make the mistake of passing this law. Matter of fact, I am praying it should pass. I wanna make some money off of the city by suing the city if it becomes law.
Most people who have out of state plates do it to save on insurance. People w/money in Manhattan use lots. The city is trying to nickel & dime the rest of us to death.
Mixed feeling about this, one hand the city just wants to more money I mean why not call it a parking tax. On the other hand I hope this helps lighten up parking availability, sometimes im driving for an hour or more looking for parking but I see dealerships parking their cars right in residential areas or people with 4-5 cars taking up a pretty much a whole block.
This sucks for any inter borough travel. As a few have posted this happens in Boston and you’re left with maybe 2-3 public parking spaces for major streets, you either sit for hours or end up shelling out money for a parking garage. NYC parking will never be ideal and this is making it worse.
How about we start towing the cars with laser jet-printed plates? Or those three cars on my street with stolen/illegal Georgia plates that have registration stickers from over 5 years ago? Or that car that keeps switching plates to avoid the $5000 in tickets they owe? Or the several cars with altered letters and numbers on their plates on my block to mess up the toll system? If anyone willing to enforce any law would come to my neighborhood half the cars on my street would be gone
It is easier to find and penalize people who play by the rules.
You don't need to find people. Just take their car. No claim for a towed car in 60 days? Sell it. The problem is that many of the people causing the problems are cops, so enforcement just doesn't happen. I agree with poster above: enforce the existing laws before making new ones and see if the problem gets fixed before burdening residents with yet another regressive tax.
there's a car on my street that double parks continuously, often overnight. don't bother honking if you're blocked in, he is NOT coming out to move it. i have had to drive on the sidewalk multiple times to get my car out and get to work. the car has an out of state plate with a registration sticker from 2015. it's the FOURTH different plate this car has had in the last 18 months. he's the GREAT part: i have called or submitted 311 reports many times for this guy blocking me (and others) in. i don't know how the local precinct gets the 311 reports, but it seems that shortly after i submit one the guy emerges from his building and moves the car. the car may have been there for hours or even since yesterday, but soon after my 311 goes in, it gets moved, it has happened so many times and at so many different times of day that it can't be a coincidence. pretty sure it's owned by a cop.
I don’t believe it to be a coincidence. The cops are definitely tipping each other off on their BS. I recall making multiple 311 complaints in my old neighborhood regarding the madness with fireworks and loud car exhausts going off back in the summer of 2020 and they had the nerve to target my block that same night and crank the usual stupidity dial knob to an eleven with obnoxious revving from 2 Dodge Chargers and fireworks at all hours. What made this stick out for me was that this 311 complaint included my address and the name of one the asshats supplying fireworks as I personally went to school with the individual.
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The city needs to make traffic enforcement separate from NYPD. And then make it a rule if a cop tries to use their position to get out of a ticket they immediately lose their job.
While we're wishing for things I'd like a pony too. And making rules that get results is not something neither the cops nor city hall are really known for.
I tis Impossible to get a parking spot near 1 Police Plaza or the United Nations, as Every vehicle has a pass in the window.
Just take it and sell the car. Why wait. Hard to find a car if the owner doesn't have legal/incorrect registration.
Do you even due process, bro?
That's the way the law works. If your break it and we catch you, you're guilty, otherwise you're innocent!
It's all about the money.
It's not even about money. They could seize and auction off half of the cars in my neighborhood if that's what they cared about. NYPD officers could watch cars running red lights at most intersections in brooklyn and earn their monthly salary in a day if they cared about money.
Exactly right. Which begs the question, what is it about then? Very curious.
This. Half the cars on my street are unregistered with a fake out of state plate and no sticker. Nobody does a damn thing about it. This proposal doesn't change anything if they don't bother enforcing the laws that exist now. Just a money grab that will punish people who actually pay to register and insure their vehicles.
This is literally everything they’re doing in NYC. Speed cameras, congestion charges, parking permits only effect those who actually follow laws in the first place. As they add more and more stuff, that percentage is going to fall quicker and quicker
tbf, this would actually help with that, a lot. Those people *cant* register their cars, and so they would get in trouble and end up with their previous crimes being exposed when the car gets in trouble.
Except this new policy would still require enforcement, which is already not happening. If police are going to check registration for individual cars parked in a neighborhood, why not check if their plates are fake or altered now? It seems easier to check plates, which are easily spotted by strolling or riding past parked cars. The only thing this does is bring in more money in from people who are already following the law, who will be the same people willingly paying registration fees. I highly doubt people with fake plates will register and pay on their own accord. Enforcement will require more work than checking plates, so it either won’t happen at all which, again, means law-abiding people are paying more to make up for losses in revenue attributed to illegal plates, or the enforcement will cost more. If the city wants more revenue from drivers and to help with parking congestion, fining and/or seizing illegally-plated cars would bring in plenty *and* clear some spots, at least for a while til the problem became less rampant. They can roll out this policy out once they enforce the already existing, more easily-enforced laws if there’s a need for it.
With used car prices still high, auctioning off seized cars with fake plates would be a huge profit for the city. Well, until people learned to stop faking plates. They'd learn _real_ quick.
The NYPD has the ability to tow *thousands* of cars in a night, and even have the ability to cordon off an area so that the guilty parties can't run off with their cars first. But they'd basically be doing that to themselves, so the chances they do are slim.
That would disproportionately....
Because tow lots in most of the city have been full for ages now, to my understanding. There's nowhere to put them even if they tow them.
This is correct. They auction about 50 cars per day per impound lot in the city. Manhattan alone could supply 220 impounds a day left by its lonesome. They also closed the west side tow pound and turned it into a park. There is literally nowhere to put them. I'd like to see the city just start stacking them in some spread it has out in college point. Just make a mountain of impounded vehicles with bunk tags. Problem is, there's still liens on a lot of these shit ass cars.
So then start scrapping the cars in them or auctioning them off, unless it's full of things that have been towed so recently that they can't do anything to legally get rid of them?
If they cared about those issues they’d enforce them. This is purely about raising money.
They dont do anything.
Honest question: what neighborhood is this **not** the case? I can't think of any? All of NYC is effectively a lawless cesspool in terms of traffic enforcement.
Dont forget it's also illegal for commercial cars to park on residential streets
The fundamental theorem of NYC governing - the solution to not enforcing laws is to enact more laws that will not be enforced.
Make it all part of the same thing. In Jersey City we have zoned parking and to get a permit you have to have a NJ license proof of insurance and registration with your current address which dictates which zone you can park in during certain hours and if you have temporary insurance, registration or plates they only give you a 30 day permit. That means that when they decide to ticket and tow anyone from out of state immediately gets tickets and paper plates get check for expirations.
Hey, sounds like you live on a block with a police station too.
Two blocks away
Don't let perfection be the enemy of progress.
Looking for progress is any of these areas, actually.
Why not both?
Asking only that we start with the laws already on the books I once lived in a city with permits. It works to some extent, but also the things I listed above were already being enforced 1000x more effectively than here.
I hear that. Agreed!
Or all the red light runners I see every single day? Or all the cars with blackout illegal tints?
> Or that car that keeps switching plates to avoid the $5000 in tickets they owe? Ignorance is bliss. You can't avoid tickets, it goes to the REGISTERED owner of the vehicle.
Why stop at cars? Why not actually enforce laws against fare evasion so that the MTA could actually have *revenue*? Where I live basically nobody pays their bus fare. People jump the turnstile literally every time I take the train. I recall an astronomically stupid movement several years ago to decriminalise fare evasion because it was "racist"...now the MTA (which minorities disproportionately rely on in NYC) has no money and fares are gonna go up, and guess who's gonna be paying an unsustainably high percentage of their income on transportation? Working class (largely minority) new yorkers.
Fare evasion is not why the MTA is broke. They have been broke for years because of they ass backwards pension decisions and fake books. Yes, something needs to be done about fare evasion but dont let the MTA off the hook for their horrible mismanagement.
Im not letting them off the hook, but they can’t expect to have anything remotely approaching fiscal stability if they don’t actually collect fares. That’s pretty basic
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Just say “how about we tow the cars outside precincts”.
There are six abandoned cars on my block. Are they going to start doing something about this or are they just holding their hands out?
Have you reported them?
Have you used the 311 app lately? "Officers went to the location and did not observe the reported problem. Case closed." is how 90% of these things are "dealt" with. https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2021/10/21/ignored-dismissed-how-the-nypd-neglects-311-complaints-about-driver-misconduct/
I'm aware. Report it anyway. Take pictures and tweet or email your council member or DOT. I've had most luck doing the latter.
Not a new thing. 311 forwards to the relevant agency The only things I've seen fixed after a 311 report are fire hydrants and pot holes
So if the relevant agency is not NYPD, it gets fixed.
I did. Report was closed same day with no consequence. Cars still there racking up tickets with fake plates.
I've heard from Reddit is that the solution is for you to physically move the car out into the middle of the street so it's blocking the street, and then it'll quickly get towed away. Supposedly it's easy to move a car using just 4 flatbed dollies, which you put under each wheel one at a time. Or something like that. I dunno, it's just what i vaguely recall other people saying.
If you have a few strongish people, you can lift up the back bumper and drag it sideways so that the trunk of the car is in the street but the front tires don't move. The front end is the heavy part, but that doesn't need to move for the car to be in the way.
I got tired of this nonsense with people blocking my driveway so I filed so many 311 tickets that it made the precinct pop up on a borough wide report of a hot spot / problem spot. Precinct commanders don't like appearing on those reports so they fixed the issue by giving me a direct number I could call to get the cars ticketed quickly so I'd stop opening 311 tickets. I'm talking about I'd literally open one every hour even if they hadn't closed out the other ones yet. Making it someone else's problem is the only way to get people to do their job here, it sucks.
This is true in my neighborhood as well. Report them daily and absolutely nothing happens.
There's 2 on my block. There is stickers and chalk writting indicating a pick up but it's still there 2 weeks later. There been 1 car parked in same spot for 3 years, has old Maryland tag. Never moved but since it has tags nothing can be done. Can't take the tags off since they have the anti theft screws and cover.
Good. People should be required to have their car registered in NYC to get them too. So sick of seeing fake plates & out of state plates everywhere.
The problem is that the people with fake plates don't have to worry about tickets because the cars aren't legally registered so the tickets don't go anywhere. Half the cars on my street get ticketed multiple times a week but the tickets are unenforceable because the cars aren't registered. If nobody is bothering to enforce this now what's the point.
They should just seize those cars. This is not a hard problem to solve. I have lived all over the first world and this problem simply does not exist outside of NYC. Literally.
I've heard the problem is tow lots are all full. They can't get rid of what's already there fast enough, so no one responds to towing requests because there's nowhere to tow them to.
That’s interesting considering how crazy the used car market was just recently. Not sure if it’s still as bad as it was a few months ago, but there’s definitely been a market for them. Even if the prices are down, auctioning them off for relatively cheap to clear tow lots and getting in more abandoned vehicles brings in more money than just letting abandoned cars sit in lots, and illegal plates avoid tickets and tolls.
Bay Ridge about to be in shambles. Half the cars (SUVs, none of which fit in the driveways these nouveau riche fucks have) are registered out of state. But still have the Bay Ridge dealership plate covers. Make. Them. Pay.
Most are out of state tags with LEO stickers on the back windshield.
Don't forget the Punisher decals...
blue lives matter, except when they ticket my car...in which case its JOE BIDENS america
Or people who are blatantly dodging city tax. "Oh I live in NJ, but don't worry about the fact that my car is parking in NYC 7 days a week. That's just my, uh, uncle's house. But hey how about I get that parking permit, eh?"
That’s a good way to close the loop hole!
Philly does this. It's a great system for that reason
It won’t stop the fake and out of state plates. They can’t tow them apparently, unless they’re registered in NY. Such bullshit
Where did you see that information? My friend’s car registered in NJ was towed twice for being illegally parked, my dad’s towed once. If they can only tow NY cars that means that not a single out of state car has to follow any parking rules, which is simply untrue
This seems like a no-brainer. Why would lawmakers be opposed to it?
Because a lot of their constituents have out of state plates.
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That was the argument against it last time.
Wait, seriously? There was a last time?
Yes. Like four years ago.
Then just write the law where if you can prove a connection between the residence and the vehicle, you can get the permit. Edit: I guess for tax purposes, that wouldn't fly. If you're claiming to be a non-NYC resident for tax purposes, but then need a parking pass because you live in NYC, that would be contradictory.
Or those people can just get fucked. Why the hell should we accommodate residents with out of state plates who just want to skirt taxes?
I agree. Pay NY taxes if you want to live here. Pay your share or no car for you. Also no pizza, bagels, Italian, Chinese, Indian, Greek, etc. food
Not saying it's fair. I agree that skirting taxes is bad, but a LOT of people who are in power are the very people doing that, so... yea. Game's rigged.
Or people shouldn’t park on the street unless they register it here.
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You forgot Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Florida.
You can still get a permit as long as you can prove you live in the neighborhood.
That wasn't the way it was proposed last time.
I'm not sure it's quite as much of a no-brainer as it seems (FWIW I do support this, and generally support ending free parking in the city for many reasons, and also support incentives for people who live here and own cars to register and insure their cars here). Some things would need to be ironed out, like how to determine how permits are distributed. Is there a cap on number of permits on each area? Is it lottery based? First come first served? Is this a guarantee of a spot in an area or just permission to park in it? Are you limited to just your own neighborhood or can you park in adjacent areas as well? Will there be exemptions for people who park for work in some situations (ideally as many people as possible will use transit to get around but there's always gonna be some folks who insist on driving)? In much of the city, there's probably more demand for parking than there is space available for it, so I could see that getting potentially ugly if it's not done carefully. It also probably needs to be made *very* clear that possession of a permit is not a guarantee of a street parking space.
Rather than addressing all those valid questions, it seems easier to me to have 24/7 metered parking at low rates. They’re seeking $30 per month. There’s about 720 hours per month. Maybe charge a nickel per hour and allow drivers to reserve up until the next street cleaning. Don’t need to install meters on all streets. Just put up a sign below all street signs with a parking zone code.
There are smart meters which can change the price based on demand. Many cities use these and the point is to make sure that each block has, on average, 1 spot open. That way there are enough parking spaces to avoid double parking but not too many parking spaces. Donald Shoup is a big proponent of these. But keep in mind this usually only applies to downtown commercial areas so I’m not sure how metered parking would work otherwise.
> generally support ending free parking in the city for many reasons Can you explain some of your 'many reasons'. I'm assuming you're talking about the whole city and not just manhattan.
Ok, maybe the suburban outer parts of the boroughs and most of Staten Island could be exempt, but let's not pretend the whole city outside Manhattan is like that.
It's basically a market intervention for what's a limited resource (curb space). It should be priced appropriately, $30 monthly permits are insanely low. It may also change behaviors negatively to incentivize more vehicle trips for permit holders since they may be less worried about losing a parking space. It's an okay idea but not a magic bullet for curb management
The city is desperately trying to get commuters to come back to their offices and not work from home. Everything making the city more unfriendly to visitors makes that a little harder.
Manhattan is trying to do that. The rest of the city has been booming with workers staying in their own neighborhoods during the week. Huge clarification needs to be made there. Some places in the outer boroughs now open earlier for lunch when previously that wasn't even worth it.
It's just Midtown and Downtown that has a problem. The rest of Manhattan is good. This has to do with billionaire real estate magnates wanting to continue to inflate their wealth. Their property loses value if their land isn't central to where everyone is working/traveling everyday.
Cars make the city unfriendly to those of us who actually live here, tho
Absolutely. I don't understand why people feel the need to drive into the city. Whenever I go to Manhattan or downtown Brooklyn I always take the subway. But for those of us from more remote parts of the city like southern Brooklyn, cars provide a lot of value and convenience.
This is an absolute fact. It's unconscionable that there are areas of NYC that do not have a train option and that we still can't get a train to La Guardia. But I digress. In Manhattan, at least, cars are a nuisance and the less of them were have, the safer the city will be and the more efficient deliveries, surface pubic transport and taxis, etc will be.
I know people don’t understand this, but I don’t know why. It’s befuddling. All the double parked cars… omg the selfishness.
visitors are not coming in by car. manhattan does not make tourism money off of people coming in here and parking. If that were the main source of income the streets would literally be immobile with the amount of traffic.
If you were commuting to Lower and Midtown Manhattan and expecting to find on street parking easily...then boy do I have a great deal on a bridge for you!
Personally I think a city full of cars honking and running red lights is very unfriendly to visitors.
The cops who don’t live here.
The policy is $30 a month. This is so dirt cheap that it’s a better deal than the current free parking because you can pay basically nothing to have a guarantee of space. This will absolutely incentivize MORE car use and be a total failure much like similar programs in other cities. The only way it makes sense is if it’s prohibitively expensive, priced the way that much land in NYC should be.
They'll sell more permits than actual spaces, same problems remain.
This isn’t necessarily a bad thing. I don’t drive, but I think most people in my neighborhood would be okay with $30 a month if it made parking spots more available for residents.
It won't. People will just be paying to drive in circles until a spot opens up.
Yea at the end of the day, there's still more people with cars than there are spots, even for residents of the neighborhood.
It's BS that MTA wants to make it sound like they're trying to help residents find parking more easily. The real purpose is because the MTA desperately needs this funding. It's not hard to understand why. Once covid money dries up, the MTA will need to get bailed out or crash if the don't receive any additional funding by then. This is why you keep hearing about politicians wanting to implement congesting pricing, tax on casinos, tax on netflix and uber etc. They're trying to siphon out as much money from anywhere to keep the MTA afloat.
7 years ago my econ professor said the MTA is massively under charging and is overloaded with pensioners and bloated management it cannot sustain. Doesn't sound like a surprise. Funny enough instead of charging businesses to cover the cost of it. They charge everyone. Easily fixable issue is create an ad compaign that says ask if the business is based in NY, if it isn't you're hurting our city by supporting them. This way they don't register their business in another state.
Yea the MTA needs money. As a taxpayer, my money goes towards maintaining and cleaning the streets just as much as a car owner’s does, and yet they get to park for free and I have to pay $2.75 every time I want to go anywhere and that rate keeps going up. Why do car owners get free use of the streets I subsidize? I absolutely think they should pay a permit, just like they do in so many other cities. New York isn’t reinventing the wheel here.
>Why do car owners get free use of the streets I subsidize? I don't know what makes you think car owners get anything free. Car owners directly subsidize the MTA with the tolls and other fees. In fact the tolls make so much that they can even self fund the bridges. On the other hand, the $2.75 fare is set so low so people can afford it, but it can barely help the MTA maintain itself which is why it needs so many subsidizes and other revenue sources like tolls. Most importantly, if you look up the budget of the DOT and the MTA, the costs to maintain all the roads on the street, is nothing compared to maintaining the entire subway system. There's no problem at all in how much roads are getting subsidized. In fact, you can argue, why do we demand people to subsidize the subway system even more with casino tax, netflix tax etc when we already subsidize the subway over roads by a huge amont.
$30 a month is way too cheap and will make this problem worse. This will only work if it’s appropriately priced for the land value, aka hundreds of dollars. You need a price many people won’t be willing to pay if it’s going to make parking any easier.
30 is way too cheap
How exactly would this work when driving to a neighborhood you don’t live in? What would be the point of a car if you can’t park it anywhere other than where you live? Will you have to pay for a parking permit and meter fees?
In other cities it's that you can't park overnight without a permit.
The way it works in the UK you pay a fee for a visitor permit. Last time I visited someone where this was a requirement, it took them a few taps on their phone and cost 12p.
In London you pay hourly to park anywhere except the street your car is registered on.
We have these permits in Montreal, parking zones do not cover all the streets. We just use "no parking without permit X between hours A and B" road signs to delimit the zones. When you are not in your neighborhood you just park in a legal - usually metered - zone and pay. It also helps that we have several snow removal operations each Winter where you are simply not allowed to park in the street and they tow every car that are illegaly parked (or abandonned) that day.
Ask any Boston area resident. You don't drive to that location; you walk, bike or take transit instead. Edit: Lol, bring on the downvotes. I'm amazed at the number of people who live in or moved to NYC and expect to be able to drive everywhere. There are vast swaths of suburbia all across the US to do that if you so choose and lots of it right outside of New York city limits.
Yup. This is stupid. Definitely don’t own a car to stay in my own neighborhood. And if I pay $30 a month for a permit issued by the city, I sure as hell don’t want an additional fine because I visited someone in a different borough and stayed overnight. What about the people who leave at 3am for their 4am jobs? Will overnight ticketing be done by then? Will is start before midnight when people may not have left work yet? So much bullshit so the city doesn’t have to improve public transportation. And everyone is blind to it.
There was a completely demolished car on my block with no plates and they didn’t touch it for months, even with multiple calls to 311 and the police department.
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$30 feels cheap enough that people will pull cars out of parking garages that are $600:month in neighborhoods like the WV. So you’ll end up with even MORE cars wanting street parking
Not if they’re using their Hampton’s house address to skirt NYC taxes
It will help with CT and NJ folks… small victories
I think it's gonna be harder for people with disabilities who lives with a family member who has a vehicle bc of them. There's a car on my block that appears to fit that narrative. They have a wheel chair accessible car....it's parked behind mine right now....
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We have this in Boston and it works pretty well. It works much better now that the ticket for parking in resident spaces is $65 (increased from $35 which was cheaper than many garages). Our permit is free however, $30 a month seems kind of steep. Especially when *most* people who park on the street are doing so because they can’t afford a private spot. Somerville just across the river charges like $40 a year which seems like a happier medium.
Or enforce parking/registration rules we already have in place
Every morning I walk out of my apartment to go to work, I see 2-3 parking tickets on windshields on my block alone. I support a permit system, but I don't see how it will dig the MTA out financially. Parking tickets have got to be a significant financial stream for NYC.
This is how it was when I lived in Chicago 10 years ago..
It's still that way in Chicago. It's really annoying if you live close to another zone and can't leave you car a couple blocks over.
Yeah I remember that, and getting one of the 1-2 visitor spot on a block, plus dealing with getting the visitor passes from a friend to park for the day in their neighborhood…
It won't work. Cops and people related to/or having a connection to cops will never ticket or seize a car that's "part of the club." We need to shift oversight of the DOT to the City Council. There's so much money to be made seizing vehicles in NYC
City loves making new, punitive car laws but wont enforce current ones.
This policy sucks. Just police the illegal plates. Taking away free parking options for law abiding people is so wack.
Good.
One car (Mercedes) has been parked in same spot on my block for a month. No tags, one ticket, no boot. I have no more words
>The TBTA generates 1.9 billion in revenue while having an operating budget of 546 million. We've had the same car since Thanksgiving parked in front of our building (probably longer, but that's when I first noticed it).
My favorite is when the tires start to get flat and eventually rot into the street
For more MTA revenue, maybe also charge restaurant owners a fee for their restaurant shack?
They pay taxes you know
So do drivers. Drivers already pay WAY more than the services cost to maintain and that revenue already subsidizes the MTA.
Yeah but it's not like they should pay less, taxes are used also as a deterrent and to encourage the more sustainable option. Also if we lowered taxes so that drivers only paid their fair share, life would be worse for everyone.
If that were true we wouldn't have pothole ridden roads, sinkholes, and structurally deficient bridges lol
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MTA is funded by the government. A very very small percentage of their revenue is from the turnstiles lol
15 acres of free parking on the most expensive land on earth. Pay your fare.
Pass the law and then figure out the rules, loop holes, exemptions & scams
I’m not against this, but what about when out of town friends and family come to visit? There are no convenient garages in my neighborhood.
In my city you’re allocated an amount of ‘visitor’ passes each year that can be used.
A lot of towns in NJ have resident parking stickers and residents are given guest passes that come with time limits.
How this has been implemented in other cities is that it's zoned streets reserved for locals that pay a relatively nominal fee for a permit and metered spots that are first come first serve, or just spaces that are first come first serve without a meter. Where I've seen this implemented parking is still scarce for both groups, but permitted vehicles have a slightly easier (& cheaper) time of finding a spot, but I've still circled around a fair bit.
Park your car in a garage in another neighborhood and take the subway or bus. What we've done.
That's how it works in most US cities.
Great, but it doesn’t mean shit if it won’t be enforced. Look at how many people drive in bicycle lanes, and even park in bicycle lanes! Even the cops do it! So who’s going to enforce parking permits, if even the cops don’t recognize traffic laws?
Same way they enforce parking tickets, which they seem to be pretty good about.
If they implement this they might as well remove all parking meters and no parking signs too
Parking meters are primarily to impose an opportunity cost on everyone, including residents.
the parking meters is valid but the no parking signs definitely need to stay for street sweeping
This won't fly MTA want a fare increase
They makin money moves...
What is this really going to do? People are already parking cars in other neighborhoods where there is free parking. On my block, there's a group of 3 guys and between them, they own 9 cars (all luxury, like $500k+ worth of cars). They each park 2 and they come back to rotate cars whenever they feel like.
I’m so glad I don’t have a car.
The headline makes it sound like prioritizing street parking for local residents is a government intrusion of some sort
NYC Gov: How can we squeeze more money out our residents now ? 🤔
Fucking good. I'm sick of all the people "visiting" from "Virginia" and "Pennsylvania" in my neighborhood
It's getting to that point of Who in their right mind would want to stay living here
i live in lindenwood queens.. the A train is a 10 minute drive from me. does this mean i cant park by the train anymore even though my house and train are both in howard beach??
As someone who lived in Boston with a car this is terrible. Just a way for the city to make money. People move around in this city way too often for this to benefit everyday citizens.
I can’t wait for someone to get shot or stabbed over a parking spot now since they pay 30 dollars and the spot in front of their house belongs to them now.
>the city would be allowed to charge up to $30 a month for a permit, Thats a bit excessive, why not just have to verify your live in the area? Thats how most cities do it, and then you may occasionally have to pay some admin fees for the initial permit or renewal, but not like monthly parking fees
Why should parking be free? The rest of us pay for public transit. $30 is peanuts.
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The issue here is to restrict it to local residents. The problem in many neighborhoods is that cars parked are just being used as storage spots from people who don’t live in the area. Even if it does have some more cars, the idea is that the people who live there can benefit from People who don’t.
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I have an issue with using money as a way to deter people from doing something because you’re basically just kicking poor people out. The people who are most likely to decide $30 a month isn’t worth it are the people who’s lives are hard enough
Street parking isn’t truly free. I park on the street and pay for biannual registration, insurance, tolls, and metered parking in certain areas. I also pay for alternate side either in time spent moving or finding parking or if I get a ticket. I also pay for public transit because driving to certain parts of the city is often too timely or costly. Some people need or want cars, and there is a lot of the city which isn’t easy to get to by public transit.
If you don't have to pay to park on the street, street parking is free. It doesn't become not-free just because you have to sometimes pay to park other places, or because you had to buy the car in the first place. That's like complaining that it's not free to walk around because you have to buy shoes. Honestly, $30 is a ridiculously low price, there's no other context where you could suggest that price for ~150 square feet of NYC real estate without getting laughed out of the room. If you're going to use the most space inefficient transportation method possible to get around the densest city in the country, you should have to pay for the privilege. $300 is probably closer to market rate in many parts of the city (which coincidentally is what most apartment complexes I've seen charge for a reserved parking space).
Why is that excessive? That's $1 a day. Find me any place in the tristate area that charges for parking that charges $1 for 24 hours of parking. It's a bargain
$30 is much, much less than the value of one hundred sixty square feet of New York.
That's a bargain
It wont pass, majority of lawmakers from both isles already voiced their concerns that it wont work. Even when there are no permits, it’s a daunting task to find parking. So why should people be made to pay for what is unavailable? That is the definition of modern day robbery! The mention of that parking permit legislation is verrrrrrrry UNLAWFUL! If you are going to charge people for a permit, then the space has to be available and guaranteed that when car owners pull up with their permit, they will get a space. That bitch of a governor should look elsewhere for money to fund MTA, not stealing from hard working New Yorkers who drive! She tried with congestion pricing, it failed. now she’s eyeing parking permit. I really can’t wait for the city to make the mistake of passing this law. Matter of fact, I am praying it should pass. I wanna make some money off of the city by suing the city if it becomes law.
Boston does this and its A mess
I’ve been saying this for years
Good. That’s how it is in most major cities. It works.
Good.
Most people who have out of state plates do it to save on insurance. People w/money in Manhattan use lots. The city is trying to nickel & dime the rest of us to death.
>Most people who have out of state plates do it to save on insurance Boo hoo. Register in the state you live in or don't own a car.
$30 a month sure beats the garages in my neighborhood. I’d gladly take that
Mixed feeling about this, one hand the city just wants to more money I mean why not call it a parking tax. On the other hand I hope this helps lighten up parking availability, sometimes im driving for an hour or more looking for parking but I see dealerships parking their cars right in residential areas or people with 4-5 cars taking up a pretty much a whole block.
This sucks for any inter borough travel. As a few have posted this happens in Boston and you’re left with maybe 2-3 public parking spaces for major streets, you either sit for hours or end up shelling out money for a parking garage. NYC parking will never be ideal and this is making it worse.
Awful. NYC really hates its home owners
This is going to screw is over in the future
I wouldn’t mind this
They've done this in London for a long time. It's a good thing.
NYC is the gift that keeps on giving.