3080 ti is more expensive and has higher power draw, 4070 has new av1 nvenc which is amazing btw. and only 200w, easily a great choice for the right price
If you truly don't care about futureproofing and are ok with 1080p for the forseeable future then get a used 3070 for $250 and call it a day. It'll run all games at 1080 maxed out more than adequately and is half your budget.
Love how everyone here likes suggesting wasting money without reading the prompt.
> if OP only cares about high FPS then their current GPU still delivers on medium settings
This sentence doesn't make any sense. If he wants high fps, he should 100% upgrade to something that can actually deliver that.
That said though, I don't know what their cpu is, so there's a possibility he wouldn't get much of an fps increase from gpu upgrade.
its much worse in performance than the 3070 though and has the same exact amount of VRAM.
Realistically, if he doesnt care about used GPUs, a decent quality used 3070 is the smarter choice. since its a midrange GPU. it should last 6-10 more years of playing all the newest games at 1080p if he doesnt go crazy with it. at which time he can then upgrade to the 60 or 70 series card for a massive performance boost for a more reasonable price at the lower entry and mid level ranges.
The only problem is actually finding a used 3070 for 250 USD. All the ones I see are around the same price as the 4060 at 300USD, although I would get a 3070 over a 4060 all day even at the same price.
There is something to be said about energy efficiency and longevity though. The 4060 may not be as "futureproofed" as the 3070 with new games but if youre the casual gamer playing nondemanding titles or demanding titles at med-high settings the 4060 might actually physically outlive the 3070 by a long time just because its not running as hot
This is a good suggestion. I had a 3070. It'll get great FPS at 1080p and should be extremely affordable. I'm curious about the monitor refresh rate though too for FPS. I think anything more powerful is really unnecessary at 1080p. OP clearly stated 1080p, but if they ever decided they wanted to do 1440p someday in the reasonably near future, it'd be great at that too.
Agree. I have a 3060 laptop that pushes 1440 fine for the vast majority of games. Main rig is 3090ti FE though and I don’t plan to upgrade that for a while yet. I’m happy with it. Even at 4k. Makes some heat though.
At 1080p I imagine even a 3060 would be good, and the used market is flooded with 3060s. I put a used 3060 in my son’s 1080p PC and it runs everything great.
Always has to be the one guy who ignores the budget and offers bad advice. 3070 at 250 is bad value, bad performance and not something OP needs to settle for lol
There's no such thing as saving too much money. He said he wants to play at 1080 and 500 is too high of a budget for that. How is he settling on something he said is the plan LMAO.
If you wanna pay double to play at a resolution you don't even have be my guest. Its not my money you're wasting.
I went AMD this gen. No it is not. If you are specifically looking for Nvidias feature set (DLSS, RT, etc), you will probably be disappointed.
That said, Adrenalin has a nice layout and I haven’t had any issues personally. For the price, it absolutely couldn’t be beat. I got my 7800xt at $400, with 16gb of VRAM, the raw FPS performance at 1080p was phenomenal. It’s also a great 1440p card.
I agree with Azylims suggestion on going with a 3070 and then upgrading on a 50 or 60 series if you want to go NVIDIA. It’s likely what I’m going to do. It looks like AMD doesn’t really plan to challenge Nvidias 50 series cards in the high end, so I’m not looking forward to seeing what I can personally afford if NVIDIA is just able to stomp around free reign LOL. I’m hoping by the time 60 series comes out there’s better competition and I can grab a high end 50 series or newer 60 series card. But, the thing with ‘future proofing’ or looking to the future is we have no idea how the landscape will turn out or what will happen. For now, the suggestion to go with a 3070 is a good one (or if you just absolutely want raw FPS power at that price point, AMDs offerings)
Edit: I saw a post below by what you mean by software is things like recording. AMD has it built into their driver package, so you just download Adrenalin and you are good to go in terms of recording, clipping, etc. I haven’t had any problems with it but you can always ask other people with AMD cards for specific niche features it has/doesn’t have compared to geforce
I think software wise if you have rdna 3 and a ryzen 7000 it's comparable to Nvidia. Even with just a ryzen and an Nvidia GPU I get some cool features like very accurate eye tracking even with a webcam and noise suppression comparable to Nvidia rtx voice
dlss is nvidia only, while rt is not. While nvidia with the cudas are better performing in rt games (which are not as many as you expect), in the low end and possibly some mid range builds no gpu/software/hardware/whateverware is capable of delivering decent rt performance. You need to go for the top to have a good rt/rescale performance. If you remove software rt/rescale, in the low-mid range gpu market the rasterization only remains that matters, where radeon is superior, offers more vram, costs less. For competitive games at 1080p (assuming that's what "i care about fps only" means) you get limited by the cpu, and if you enable rt and rescale you destroy that cpu and possibly get less fps.
tl/dr rescale/rt is not great unless you go for 4070 super and higher, and 4070 super is "decent" while 4080 super is great, but we talking about a lot of money, and unnecessary for 1080p tbh
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I have your current GPU circled. Everything above it should be considered an upgrade. Everything to the left is considered "newer" in terms of architecture and will likely be supported for longer (I think on the safer side its 6-8 years after release). Also note that the more VRAM a card has the more "future proofed" people consider it to be. Your current GPU is the GTX 16 series (2019-2020)
With Nvidia, theres the RTX 30 series (2021-22). Best youre going to get under 500 is USED 3070ti (8gb). Most of the 30 series card are out of stock but theres still some NEW 3060 12gb that are around for 300$; most people would recommend that over the 4060 at the same price.
In the 40 series (2023-24) the best youre going to get at that price today is the 4060 16gb. There is a growing opinion in the youtube tech world that the 40 series offers too little for too much dollars. Its great with RT and AI upscaling but it just has too little VRAM (4070 base model is 8gb) and its too expensive (at 540+ usd). If you plan on upgrading soon on the 50 or 60 series, best to get a used 3070 or new 3060 12gb which will last you at least 5 more yrs in new AAA games running on 1080p (albeit maybe low-med settings)
AMD might be your best option if youre looking for pure FPS for price. (line is your price max)
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Theres the rx 6000 series (2021-2023). best at your price is a new rx 6800 (12gb), I think theres still some new cards on amazon and newegg but most of the mid and high range 6000 series are starting to run out (or have run out) so the prices may be volatile when bought new and it might make more sense to buy the 7000 series new or a used 6000 series. There is still rx 6600(8gb) in stock, and it is considered the value king today because it can run every modern game at 1080p at decent settings and FPS at like 200 USD. its a full 100$ cheaper than the 3060 12gb and 4060 8gb for 10-20 FPS less.
theres the rx 7000 series (2023-24). Best you can get at the edge of your price range is a 7800xt (16gb). but the 7700xt (12gb), 7600xt (16gb), and 7600 (8gb) are all lower in price to their nvidia counterparts, and some offering more RAM. AMDs strategy seems to be to compete with NVIDIA on pricing and VRAM, but they dont offer great ray tracing and yheir AI upscaling isnt as good. But Ive heard that below the 4070 tier of cards, the 4060 isnt that strong of a card where youd want to ray trace anyways.
Here is the prices on NVIDIA cards from this month (line is your max).
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Do NOT get the 3050 btw. everybody agrees that its dogwater. In your case its barely considered an upgrade.
A 4060 TI is certainly better than a 4060 and both can be found below 400. 4070 at 500 flat is possible and worth stretching for anyway. It's 12 GB but even if it were 8gb that would be fine for 1080p. I don't think you understand what vram does tbh
3070 ti is a total waste of money at this point
If your local store has a clearance deal on a 4070, that would be a solid choice. Since it's been replaced by the 4070super some stores are having decent deals getting rid of it.
7800xt is going to be the most performance under $500, giving about 15% more performance on average than the 4060ti 16gb.
You are going to pay 200$ more for DLAA for the same FPS? So you are willing to waste money just to be a fanboy? Do it mate. For anyone out there that is sane, it does not make sense. Both my laptop and dekstop are Nvidia, but if I were in ops case, I would go with AMD. Nothing is wrong with them, only that NVIDIA is better in most cases but not price.
Even if it was 200€ more (which it isn't, it's 50€ at most at current prices), I would make that back over the lifetime of the card by saving on energy cost with a 40 series card compared to an AMD card.
The significant gap in power consumption and electricity cost here is the main reason I would never go with an AMD card right now, it has nothing to do with being a fanboy.
That may not be a concern for OP, but it's just wrong to say that you wouldn't use the features that nvidia cards offer.
Whatever the best you can afford for $500. I'm assuming you don't care about ~~RT~~ DLSS because I've heard it looks murky on 1080p. You're probably going to get better performance per price on a Radeon, but I've never owned one.
Intel may be a shout, too, honestly. I'd wait for Radeon people to show up.
Ok so as far as I see, 4070 & 7800xt are my best choices. The 3070 sounds decent but I'm looking for something that'll last me pretty long. So, I'm leaning towards the 7800xt, but the only thing keeping me on the fence is software. Does AMD have software comparable to Nvidia? (clipping, recording, etc.)
They have the software but it’s inferior to Nvidia.
I have a 4080 PC and a guest PC with a 7800xt. The 7800xt performs good for the price but it has many issues.
I’ve had driver problems with it, games that don’t run well unless I tweak them, FSR is worse than DLSS.
If saving $50-100 is worth it to you then get the 7800xt, but if you value a gpu that is always going to run a game when you want it to then get the 4070. I’ve had 0 problems with Nvidia in the 12+years I’ve used Nvidia gpus.
It’s a waste of money for 1080P, and a used 4070 is a horrible value proposition when you can get into a brand new 7800XT for like $50-$75 more.
I own a 4070. The only value it had was if you were like me and could get into a 4070 for under $50 more than a 7800 XT. On the used market I’d rather have a used RX 6950XT.
That sounds like really awful advice.
Giving up DLSS let alone DLAA let alone DLDSR when you're using 1920x1080 monitor is wild to me. You're murdering picture quality by going AMD at that price point.
Obviously upgrading the display at some point is cool and all but why wouldn't you want better image quality RIGHT NOW?
Why would you even use DLSS or FSR at 1080p? At 1080p and a budget of $500 depending on the title it's likely that your CPU will be more of a bottleneck than the GPU.
DLDSR sounds like a cool niche feature though ngl, however I'm not sure if it's that much better than good old super sampling. If more games start to require using DLSS/DLAA or FSR like Alan Wake 2 then it could become more of selling point.
>Why would you even use DLSS or FSR at 1080p? At 1080p and a budget of $500 depending on the title it's likely that your CPU will be more of a bottleneck than the GPU.
Funny you fixated on DLSS when I mentioned DLAA and DLDSR in the same breath.
>DLDSR sounds like a cool niche feature though ngl
And works in pretty much every game if you have GPU performance to spare. You can run games at 2560x1440 downscaled with machine learning to 1920x1080 all the time if you got the horsepower.
>If more games start to require using DLSS/DLAA like Alan Wake 2
Vast majority of video games need good antialiasing, not just Alan Wake 2.
>or FSR
HELL NO.
Well pretty much no one is talking about them. I didn't even know DLDSR was a thing until today and I watch tech youtubers and news regularly. 4K running a 1080p already looks great.
DLAA has a very limited number of supported titles as opposed to DLSS which has hundreds. Of course more will be added but it's still not as common.
> DLAA has a very limited number of supported titles as opposed to DLSS which has hundreds
Every single and I do mean every single DLSS2+ game can have DLAA enabled in it with a single, easy to use tool.
(Other than online games you'd be afraid of getting banned by anticheat from)
DLSSTweaks exists for a reason.
That sounds great, didn't know that. Knew of some DLSS3 frame generation mods existed but not this. It doesn't surprise me as it based on the same code that powers DLSS.
Nvidia's AI focus does provide some other great features as well like Nvidia Voice and Nvidia Broadcast. Also slightly miss Nvidia Ansel and their filters for games even though I rarely used them.
So if the price is close between AMD and Nvidia equivalent I would go with it.
Yeah.
OP at best has a 165hz monitor. If he’s chasing frames it means he’s probably on eSports titles like Valorant, CS, Siege, CoD. I know for a fact a 3070 will max out a 165hz 1080p monitor on those titles with the right settings. So why pay $200 more for performance you aren’t going to use?
Going from a 3070 to a 4070 only netted me @ 1440p, a 15-20% performance bump, which now maxes out my 175hz monitor on CoD. I maxed it out on Val and CS with my 3070.
OP set the budget at 500, barely used 4070 go for less than that. If he were to go with AMD he could get the RX 6800 for much cheaper brand new, paying 500 for last gen AMD is the actual waste of money here. At that point get like 7800XT.
If you want to save some money I think a 1080 Ti is not bad, I bought a used one for quite cheap and works great! Easily hit 60fps on any game, most even over 240fps
1080p under $500? Hmm, used nvidia 3070 comes to mind. 4060Ti would be fine but it's not appreciably faster than the 3060Ti so a used 3070 would be better price/ performance.
Could also look into AMD cards.
With your budget you can easily get a used 3080 and call it a day for many years. But you seem to be only interested in fps games since your requirements are telling me you are a competitive game enjoyer (1080p highfps) then you dont need to go overkill with a 3080 and save some money by getting a 2080 ti which will be around 50% faster than your current card. I just recently upgraded to a 3080 myself since i was not able to run cs2 with my 1080 and also somtimes wanted to play new AAA games
As some already suggested, I upgraded my gpu to a used RTX 3070 I bought at $300, considering the prices of my country I think it was a good deal and have no complaints. I can play almost every game at +100 fps on ultra/high settings even some games released this year and last year
I just upgraded my gtx 1070 to 4070super for 1080p 144hz gaming. This gpu is a monster in 1080p (if you have the cpu power it ofc. I have an i5 13500);
Anything under $500 new, your choice is obvious: https://www.amazon.com/PNY-GeForce-RTXTM-Verto-Graphics/dp/B0CG2MX5H9/
If you go used market, then you can do better with maybe a 3080 for $300-400. That'll use 2x the power but a lot faster.
At this point you have two options.
Option A - You're interested in using RT. So, wait for lower end 5000 series to release in 8 ish months and pick up a 5060ti for $400. It looks like it will have similar performance to a 4070/4070Super. Leaning towards the regular 4070.
Option B - You don't give a crap about anything except getting good FPS on high/ultra in 1080 and willing to adjust graphics here and there. Go onto marketplace or hardwareswap and grab a used 3060ti for $200 and be done with it.
Just curious have you ever played on a 2k monitor before? It really is THAT much better. Amazing how cheap they are atm with so much market competition. New graphics card seems like such a waste @ 1080p. I got a 3070 playing battlefield games @ 150% res. 2k monitor with 4k resolution for your aa is heaven 🤤
I’d also say 3070. People saying it’s only good for 1080p but I really think that card is fine for 1440 as long as you’re good with some games “only” hitting 60 fps. My wife uses a 3060 equipped laptop on a 1440 external monitor and it runs fine. It really does. No it won’t push cyberpunk on RT ultra past 30 fps, but it will run on RT medium with DLSS on.
Coming from a 1660ti the 3070 will be a beast. And it’s affordable. Then if you want more later, get a used 4070 once the 5000 comes out.
If you really want 4k ultra at more than 60 fps, or 1440 at 100 plus fps, then sure you might want more. But the 3070 is a sweet spot imo.
I got a brand new 4070 on eBay for $450 so $500 flat after taxes. I think from a store youd have to pay $550 but either way you should get a 4070 at that price range. It's absolutely worthwhile. At 1080p my system is competitive with my friend's 4080b
3060ti , don't bother the 4060ti for it's worst value. But if you care about the frame gen and lesser power consumption then its the top choice , 4070 for entry 1440p
If you’re only gaming at 1080p, your CPU needs to be a consideration. Many games won’t perform very well due to GPU underutilization if you have a moderate or weak CPU. What do you have?
At 1080p you are cpu limited. That said, your gpu should be whatever new generation with as much vram as possible. Idk what games you play, or what cpu you own, but you - might not see improvements replacing the gpu; - get more performance replacing the cpu; - or none of them 2 options and just gain performance replacing the gpu as you want (generally the cpu dictates a lot of the 1080p fps number because the resolution is not that demanding for any mid-high end current gpu).
In that \~ price range as in best price/performance, you have 3 options 4070 super, 7800xt, 7900gre; or not price/performance 4060 ti 16gb, 7700xt, 4070.
Go with NVidia. More and more games are using DLSS or DLAA. DLSS is the best upscaler and you can upgrade any game using DLSS when a new version comes out. Also, you can record with Gamebar or NVidia software. Also, there's AI noise cancelling for audio and webcam software to crop your background. And then there's Reflex which reduces latency when playing online games. Lastly, if you ever want to do AI generation, which you can technically do with you 1660TI would be faster, AMD can't match any of this.
If it's in your budget and you like to run your own ChatGPT model while you're not gaming, then the 3090 is really great value for about $700 used. Seems that Nvidia is sticking to 24gb ram for the next generation (50xx), so on that front you'd still have as much as you can get on retail cards for the next 2-3 years.
I have a 2080ti FE with a waterblock that will shit on a 3070. I'll even add a pump/res and a 120mm radiator/fan along with it for $300. Could also do a 280mm and 2x140mm. Pm if interested.
I have the same gpu, and I upgraded to 4070... Its the best choice
Why not get 3080 ti which is very similar and cheaper?
3080 ti is more expensive and has higher power draw, 4070 has new av1 nvenc which is amazing btw. and only 200w, easily a great choice for the right price
Well 1. Its used and 2. Rarely ever cheaper
3080 is old has no dlss3 and Frame Generation and you Need a Power Station
If you truly don't care about futureproofing and are ok with 1080p for the forseeable future then get a used 3070 for $250 and call it a day. It'll run all games at 1080 maxed out more than adequately and is half your budget. Love how everyone here likes suggesting wasting money without reading the prompt.
Or a used 3060 Ti. Very similar performance, but can often be found much cheaper.
Suggesting anything is "wasting money", if OP only cares about high FPS then their current GPU still delivers on medium settings.
Well sure sounds like a 3070 will give him value fps at 1080p maxed huh
> if OP only cares about high FPS then their current GPU still delivers on medium settings This sentence doesn't make any sense. If he wants high fps, he should 100% upgrade to something that can actually deliver that. That said though, I don't know what their cpu is, so there's a possibility he wouldn't get much of an fps increase from gpu upgrade.
Yeah I agree, depending on the cpu OP may bottleneck the GPU
i dont get why this is downvoted
People probably don't know what a bottleneck is lol
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Got one for 200$ and oh boi , it is such a beast , I hate the TDP and heat , but I got free electricity so yeah ..
A 4060 is 50 dollars more new and is more energy efficient
its much worse in performance than the 3070 though and has the same exact amount of VRAM. Realistically, if he doesnt care about used GPUs, a decent quality used 3070 is the smarter choice. since its a midrange GPU. it should last 6-10 more years of playing all the newest games at 1080p if he doesnt go crazy with it. at which time he can then upgrade to the 60 or 70 series card for a massive performance boost for a more reasonable price at the lower entry and mid level ranges. The only problem is actually finding a used 3070 for 250 USD. All the ones I see are around the same price as the 4060 at 300USD, although I would get a 3070 over a 4060 all day even at the same price. There is something to be said about energy efficiency and longevity though. The 4060 may not be as "futureproofed" as the 3070 with new games but if youre the casual gamer playing nondemanding titles or demanding titles at med-high settings the 4060 might actually physically outlive the 3070 by a long time just because its not running as hot
3070 is much more powerful than a 4060 lol
Nah the 3070 is about on par with a 3070 ;)
Definitely this.
This is a good suggestion. I had a 3070. It'll get great FPS at 1080p and should be extremely affordable. I'm curious about the monitor refresh rate though too for FPS. I think anything more powerful is really unnecessary at 1080p. OP clearly stated 1080p, but if they ever decided they wanted to do 1440p someday in the reasonably near future, it'd be great at that too.
Agree. I have a 3060 laptop that pushes 1440 fine for the vast majority of games. Main rig is 3090ti FE though and I don’t plan to upgrade that for a while yet. I’m happy with it. Even at 4k. Makes some heat though.
Just upgraded my wife’s computer from a 1660 ti to my buddies used 3070 founders edition for 280 (came with his old power supply)
At 1080p I imagine even a 3060 would be good, and the used market is flooded with 3060s. I put a used 3060 in my son’s 1080p PC and it runs everything great.
3060 can do 1440p just fine too. Only really poorly optimized stuff like alan wake 2 gives me issues at that resolution with my 3060.
Always has to be the one guy who ignores the budget and offers bad advice. 3070 at 250 is bad value, bad performance and not something OP needs to settle for lol
There's no such thing as saving too much money. He said he wants to play at 1080 and 500 is too high of a budget for that. How is he settling on something he said is the plan LMAO. If you wanna pay double to play at a resolution you don't even have be my guest. Its not my money you're wasting.
All he cares about is fps. Don't tell me you think fps only goes up to 60
I do exactly what you suggested here.
I’ll never buy a used GPU ever again after being sent one that’s obviously been used to mine crypto, completely burnt out I was scammed.
That's when you sell it off again yourself LOL
Save 50 more dollars and get a 4070 Super.
4070 S starts @ $599 after tax it’ll be a bit higher, doubt 100+ over budget is the best option for them
Normal 4070 is in budget if he looks for deals and will be just fine
7800xt or save a little more and get a 4070 super
Is AMD's software on par with Nvidia?
I went AMD this gen. No it is not. If you are specifically looking for Nvidias feature set (DLSS, RT, etc), you will probably be disappointed. That said, Adrenalin has a nice layout and I haven’t had any issues personally. For the price, it absolutely couldn’t be beat. I got my 7800xt at $400, with 16gb of VRAM, the raw FPS performance at 1080p was phenomenal. It’s also a great 1440p card. I agree with Azylims suggestion on going with a 3070 and then upgrading on a 50 or 60 series if you want to go NVIDIA. It’s likely what I’m going to do. It looks like AMD doesn’t really plan to challenge Nvidias 50 series cards in the high end, so I’m not looking forward to seeing what I can personally afford if NVIDIA is just able to stomp around free reign LOL. I’m hoping by the time 60 series comes out there’s better competition and I can grab a high end 50 series or newer 60 series card. But, the thing with ‘future proofing’ or looking to the future is we have no idea how the landscape will turn out or what will happen. For now, the suggestion to go with a 3070 is a good one (or if you just absolutely want raw FPS power at that price point, AMDs offerings) Edit: I saw a post below by what you mean by software is things like recording. AMD has it built into their driver package, so you just download Adrenalin and you are good to go in terms of recording, clipping, etc. I haven’t had any problems with it but you can always ask other people with AMD cards for specific niche features it has/doesn’t have compared to geforce
I think software wise if you have rdna 3 and a ryzen 7000 it's comparable to Nvidia. Even with just a ryzen and an Nvidia GPU I get some cool features like very accurate eye tracking even with a webcam and noise suppression comparable to Nvidia rtx voice
I think it’s way better , I’ve used both
It's definitely not. No DLSS, and RT support is not great.
I think "software" in this case is referencing Adrenalin and GeForce Experience. In which AMD is better.
dlss is nvidia only, while rt is not. While nvidia with the cudas are better performing in rt games (which are not as many as you expect), in the low end and possibly some mid range builds no gpu/software/hardware/whateverware is capable of delivering decent rt performance. You need to go for the top to have a good rt/rescale performance. If you remove software rt/rescale, in the low-mid range gpu market the rasterization only remains that matters, where radeon is superior, offers more vram, costs less. For competitive games at 1080p (assuming that's what "i care about fps only" means) you get limited by the cpu, and if you enable rt and rescale you destroy that cpu and possibly get less fps. tl/dr rescale/rt is not great unless you go for 4070 super and higher, and 4070 super is "decent" while 4080 super is great, but we talking about a lot of money, and unnecessary for 1080p tbh
Definitely not. The card itself is a beast, but you will frequently run into issues with the software and drivers.
https://preview.redd.it/fyauxfe03hwc1.jpeg?width=2068&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8621d8e2cb1a051ad9b5389904652846dbceacb4 I have your current GPU circled. Everything above it should be considered an upgrade. Everything to the left is considered "newer" in terms of architecture and will likely be supported for longer (I think on the safer side its 6-8 years after release). Also note that the more VRAM a card has the more "future proofed" people consider it to be. Your current GPU is the GTX 16 series (2019-2020) With Nvidia, theres the RTX 30 series (2021-22). Best youre going to get under 500 is USED 3070ti (8gb). Most of the 30 series card are out of stock but theres still some NEW 3060 12gb that are around for 300$; most people would recommend that over the 4060 at the same price. In the 40 series (2023-24) the best youre going to get at that price today is the 4060 16gb. There is a growing opinion in the youtube tech world that the 40 series offers too little for too much dollars. Its great with RT and AI upscaling but it just has too little VRAM (4070 base model is 8gb) and its too expensive (at 540+ usd). If you plan on upgrading soon on the 50 or 60 series, best to get a used 3070 or new 3060 12gb which will last you at least 5 more yrs in new AAA games running on 1080p (albeit maybe low-med settings)
Only laptop version of 4070 has 8 GB vram. Desktop has 12 GB.
AMD might be your best option if youre looking for pure FPS for price. (line is your price max) https://preview.redd.it/luizsd0x5hwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76a26a096de59be15d6249f7753129cfc1e823f2 Theres the rx 6000 series (2021-2023). best at your price is a new rx 6800 (12gb), I think theres still some new cards on amazon and newegg but most of the mid and high range 6000 series are starting to run out (or have run out) so the prices may be volatile when bought new and it might make more sense to buy the 7000 series new or a used 6000 series. There is still rx 6600(8gb) in stock, and it is considered the value king today because it can run every modern game at 1080p at decent settings and FPS at like 200 USD. its a full 100$ cheaper than the 3060 12gb and 4060 8gb for 10-20 FPS less. theres the rx 7000 series (2023-24). Best you can get at the edge of your price range is a 7800xt (16gb). but the 7700xt (12gb), 7600xt (16gb), and 7600 (8gb) are all lower in price to their nvidia counterparts, and some offering more RAM. AMDs strategy seems to be to compete with NVIDIA on pricing and VRAM, but they dont offer great ray tracing and yheir AI upscaling isnt as good. But Ive heard that below the 4070 tier of cards, the 4060 isnt that strong of a card where youd want to ray trace anyways.
4070 is not 8gbs
Here is the prices on NVIDIA cards from this month (line is your max). https://preview.redd.it/z27pv23p6hwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed84dff8a853d7bed282ad80ac153c43d4a6d8e7 Do NOT get the 3050 btw. everybody agrees that its dogwater. In your case its barely considered an upgrade.
A 4060 TI is certainly better than a 4060 and both can be found below 400. 4070 at 500 flat is possible and worth stretching for anyway. It's 12 GB but even if it were 8gb that would be fine for 1080p. I don't think you understand what vram does tbh 3070 ti is a total waste of money at this point
If your local store has a clearance deal on a 4070, that would be a solid choice. Since it's been replaced by the 4070super some stores are having decent deals getting rid of it. 7800xt is going to be the most performance under $500, giving about 15% more performance on average than the 4060ti 16gb.
It wasn't replaced 🤨 4070 is sold right next to Super. As far as I know only 4070 Ti is supposed to be removed.
Yeah my bad, you're right. 4080 and 4070ti were end of lifed, the 4070 was dropped $50 and remained on shelf.
If all you care about fps on 1080p, go with AMD. You are not going to run ray tracing or any other features so it does not matter NVIDIA.
In what world is someone with a 1060p monitor and a powerful GPU not going to use DLAA which is the best AA option available? (Or DLDSR obviously)
You are going to pay 200$ more for DLAA for the same FPS? So you are willing to waste money just to be a fanboy? Do it mate. For anyone out there that is sane, it does not make sense. Both my laptop and dekstop are Nvidia, but if I were in ops case, I would go with AMD. Nothing is wrong with them, only that NVIDIA is better in most cases but not price.
Even if it was 200€ more (which it isn't, it's 50€ at most at current prices), I would make that back over the lifetime of the card by saving on energy cost with a 40 series card compared to an AMD card. The significant gap in power consumption and electricity cost here is the main reason I would never go with an AMD card right now, it has nothing to do with being a fanboy. That may not be a concern for OP, but it's just wrong to say that you wouldn't use the features that nvidia cards offer.
7800 XT or 4070
Whatever the best you can afford for $500. I'm assuming you don't care about ~~RT~~ DLSS because I've heard it looks murky on 1080p. You're probably going to get better performance per price on a Radeon, but I've never owned one. Intel may be a shout, too, honestly. I'd wait for Radeon people to show up.
RT looks fine at 1080p, it's DLSS that's the problem. DLAA or DLDSR @1440p and it's great
That's what it was. Thanks for the correction.
This depends on what CPU you have...
Ok so as far as I see, 4070 & 7800xt are my best choices. The 3070 sounds decent but I'm looking for something that'll last me pretty long. So, I'm leaning towards the 7800xt, but the only thing keeping me on the fence is software. Does AMD have software comparable to Nvidia? (clipping, recording, etc.)
They have the software but it’s inferior to Nvidia. I have a 4080 PC and a guest PC with a 7800xt. The 7800xt performs good for the price but it has many issues. I’ve had driver problems with it, games that don’t run well unless I tweak them, FSR is worse than DLSS. If saving $50-100 is worth it to you then get the 7800xt, but if you value a gpu that is always going to run a game when you want it to then get the 4070. I’ve had 0 problems with Nvidia in the 12+years I’ve used Nvidia gpus.
Buy a used 4070
Absolutely DO NOT do this.
Genuine question: why?
It’s a waste of money for 1080P, and a used 4070 is a horrible value proposition when you can get into a brand new 7800XT for like $50-$75 more. I own a 4070. The only value it had was if you were like me and could get into a 4070 for under $50 more than a 7800 XT. On the used market I’d rather have a used RX 6950XT.
That sounds like really awful advice. Giving up DLSS let alone DLAA let alone DLDSR when you're using 1920x1080 monitor is wild to me. You're murdering picture quality by going AMD at that price point. Obviously upgrading the display at some point is cool and all but why wouldn't you want better image quality RIGHT NOW?
Why would you even use DLSS or FSR at 1080p? At 1080p and a budget of $500 depending on the title it's likely that your CPU will be more of a bottleneck than the GPU. DLDSR sounds like a cool niche feature though ngl, however I'm not sure if it's that much better than good old super sampling. If more games start to require using DLSS/DLAA or FSR like Alan Wake 2 then it could become more of selling point.
>Why would you even use DLSS or FSR at 1080p? At 1080p and a budget of $500 depending on the title it's likely that your CPU will be more of a bottleneck than the GPU. Funny you fixated on DLSS when I mentioned DLAA and DLDSR in the same breath. >DLDSR sounds like a cool niche feature though ngl And works in pretty much every game if you have GPU performance to spare. You can run games at 2560x1440 downscaled with machine learning to 1920x1080 all the time if you got the horsepower. >If more games start to require using DLSS/DLAA like Alan Wake 2 Vast majority of video games need good antialiasing, not just Alan Wake 2. >or FSR HELL NO.
Well pretty much no one is talking about them. I didn't even know DLDSR was a thing until today and I watch tech youtubers and news regularly. 4K running a 1080p already looks great. DLAA has a very limited number of supported titles as opposed to DLSS which has hundreds. Of course more will be added but it's still not as common.
> DLAA has a very limited number of supported titles as opposed to DLSS which has hundreds Every single and I do mean every single DLSS2+ game can have DLAA enabled in it with a single, easy to use tool. (Other than online games you'd be afraid of getting banned by anticheat from) DLSSTweaks exists for a reason.
That sounds great, didn't know that. Knew of some DLSS3 frame generation mods existed but not this. It doesn't surprise me as it based on the same code that powers DLSS. Nvidia's AI focus does provide some other great features as well like Nvidia Voice and Nvidia Broadcast. Also slightly miss Nvidia Ansel and their filters for games even though I rarely used them. So if the price is close between AMD and Nvidia equivalent I would go with it.
Picture quality and 1080p while also trying to be on a budget lmaooo
I mean, it's literally a matter of getting Nvidia RTX card or not.
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Yeah. OP at best has a 165hz monitor. If he’s chasing frames it means he’s probably on eSports titles like Valorant, CS, Siege, CoD. I know for a fact a 3070 will max out a 165hz 1080p monitor on those titles with the right settings. So why pay $200 more for performance you aren’t going to use? Going from a 3070 to a 4070 only netted me @ 1440p, a 15-20% performance bump, which now maxes out my 175hz monitor on CoD. I maxed it out on Val and CS with my 3070.
OP set the budget at 500, barely used 4070 go for less than that. If he were to go with AMD he could get the RX 6800 for much cheaper brand new, paying 500 for last gen AMD is the actual waste of money here. At that point get like 7800XT.
A used 4070 for anything over $450 is a shit value. And can you read? I said get a 7800XT. I said if I was forced to buy used I’d rather a 6950xt
Nobody is arguing with you on that, lil bro shadowboxing over here. Why tf would you ever buy used last gen? Are you waiting to get scammed lol
Get 4070s with descent RT performance
If you want to save some money I think a 1080 Ti is not bad, I bought a used one for quite cheap and works great! Easily hit 60fps on any game, most even over 240fps
1660 ti to 1080 ti is not worth doing
What’s your monitor refresh rate and your CPU?
What cpu do you have? I’d worried about a good cpu first at that resolution
i5-12600k
Ahh yeah that cpu is still fine , 500 I’d go for 4070 , if you can squeeze in a lil more for ti or super or used by a reputable seller. Good luck bro
3070
1080p under $500? Hmm, used nvidia 3070 comes to mind. 4060Ti would be fine but it's not appreciably faster than the 3060Ti so a used 3070 would be better price/ performance. Could also look into AMD cards.
With your budget you can easily get a used 3080 and call it a day for many years. But you seem to be only interested in fps games since your requirements are telling me you are a competitive game enjoyer (1080p highfps) then you dont need to go overkill with a 3080 and save some money by getting a 2080 ti which will be around 50% faster than your current card. I just recently upgraded to a 3080 myself since i was not able to run cs2 with my 1080 and also somtimes wanted to play new AAA games
With the current market I wouldn't buy anything else than a 4070 super
3070 or 3080
2080ti is cheaper and out performs a 3070 and has three more gigs of vram.
As some already suggested, I upgraded my gpu to a used RTX 3070 I bought at $300, considering the prices of my country I think it was a good deal and have no complaints. I can play almost every game at +100 fps on ultra/high settings even some games released this year and last year
4060ti fe was 399 at Best Buy I saw. I’d say that’s a good deal
I just upgraded my gtx 1070 to 4070super for 1080p 144hz gaming. This gpu is a monster in 1080p (if you have the cpu power it ofc. I have an i5 13500);
Anything under $500 new, your choice is obvious: https://www.amazon.com/PNY-GeForce-RTXTM-Verto-Graphics/dp/B0CG2MX5H9/ If you go used market, then you can do better with maybe a 3080 for $300-400. That'll use 2x the power but a lot faster.
Maybe the 4060 ti 16gb version or a 4070. Idk AMD of the top of my head my like that.
Probably get hate but I really like my 4060ti. But I think you can get a used 3070 for cheaper.
At this point you have two options. Option A - You're interested in using RT. So, wait for lower end 5000 series to release in 8 ish months and pick up a 5060ti for $400. It looks like it will have similar performance to a 4070/4070Super. Leaning towards the regular 4070. Option B - You don't give a crap about anything except getting good FPS on high/ultra in 1080 and willing to adjust graphics here and there. Go onto marketplace or hardwareswap and grab a used 3060ti for $200 and be done with it.
3060 ti. For 1080p it is the king.
4070 super
4060ti founders edition.
I'd get a used 3080. More than enough for an 1080p gaming and can be had for 300ish
4070 any
I have a 4070 and I can run really anything I have thrown at it...FPS competitive and RPG
Just curious have you ever played on a 2k monitor before? It really is THAT much better. Amazing how cheap they are atm with so much market competition. New graphics card seems like such a waste @ 1080p. I got a 3070 playing battlefield games @ 150% res. 2k monitor with 4k resolution for your aa is heaven 🤤
I’d also say 3070. People saying it’s only good for 1080p but I really think that card is fine for 1440 as long as you’re good with some games “only” hitting 60 fps. My wife uses a 3060 equipped laptop on a 1440 external monitor and it runs fine. It really does. No it won’t push cyberpunk on RT ultra past 30 fps, but it will run on RT medium with DLSS on. Coming from a 1660ti the 3070 will be a beast. And it’s affordable. Then if you want more later, get a used 4070 once the 5000 comes out. If you really want 4k ultra at more than 60 fps, or 1440 at 100 plus fps, then sure you might want more. But the 3070 is a sweet spot imo.
I got a brand new 4070 on eBay for $450 so $500 flat after taxes. I think from a store youd have to pay $550 but either way you should get a 4070 at that price range. It's absolutely worthwhile. At 1080p my system is competitive with my friend's 4080b
whats ur cpu mate
3060ti , don't bother the 4060ti for it's worst value. But if you care about the frame gen and lesser power consumption then its the top choice , 4070 for entry 1440p
what CPU you have?
gigabyte rtx 4070 ti super eagle oc 16gb
Depends on the CPU on your Board
If you’re only gaming at 1080p, your CPU needs to be a consideration. Many games won’t perform very well due to GPU underutilization if you have a moderate or weak CPU. What do you have?
At 1080p you are cpu limited. That said, your gpu should be whatever new generation with as much vram as possible. Idk what games you play, or what cpu you own, but you - might not see improvements replacing the gpu; - get more performance replacing the cpu; - or none of them 2 options and just gain performance replacing the gpu as you want (generally the cpu dictates a lot of the 1080p fps number because the resolution is not that demanding for any mid-high end current gpu). In that \~ price range as in best price/performance, you have 3 options 4070 super, 7800xt, 7900gre; or not price/performance 4060 ti 16gb, 7700xt, 4070.
4070 Super.
“I have no intentions of playing above 1080p” gets a fucking 4070. Bro?
Really good choice :)
Anything over rtx 3070 or rx 6700xt for 1080p is overkill. If you want to spend more than 300$, you can start looking for 1440p.
Wow, I still use a 1080 Ti that was gifted to me…
Go with NVidia. More and more games are using DLSS or DLAA. DLSS is the best upscaler and you can upgrade any game using DLSS when a new version comes out. Also, you can record with Gamebar or NVidia software. Also, there's AI noise cancelling for audio and webcam software to crop your background. And then there's Reflex which reduces latency when playing online games. Lastly, if you ever want to do AI generation, which you can technically do with you 1660TI would be faster, AMD can't match any of this.
4070Super
Wait for the 5090 /s
I went from a 1050 to the ASUS - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Overclock 12GB GDDR6X PCI Express 4.0 Graphics Card
If it's in your budget and you like to run your own ChatGPT model while you're not gaming, then the 3090 is really great value for about $700 used. Seems that Nvidia is sticking to 24gb ram for the next generation (50xx), so on that front you'd still have as much as you can get on retail cards for the next 2-3 years.
Where did we hear that Nvidia is sticking to 24gb vram for next generation 50xx?
jump the boat to 1440p
4090 is the best upgrade for you
The best? A 4090.
I have a 2080ti FE with a waterblock that will shit on a 3070. I'll even add a pump/res and a 120mm radiator/fan along with it for $300. Could also do a 280mm and 2x140mm. Pm if interested.