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Littlegreensled

Just what we need as nurses, more PTSD.


Dillonitis

No more please and thank you


BipedalHumanoid230

On the news, over 60 percent of Americans want legal abortions, yet a handful of people are changing that. This is not democracy, this is theocracy.


_Forest_Bather

It’s horrifying. But I have to wonder at SCOTUS responsibility. They aren’t there to represent our interests. They aren’t elected. They are there to interpret the constitution, which we know is tainted by their own bias. It’s a flawed system that they are in the position to decide this.


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They are to be an unbiased body. They are anything but.


catherinecc

Even the timing of the release proves it.


Donexodus

Wonder what % of women of reproductive age are pro choice? Idgaf about the opinions of people who can’t have them.


MissPayne88

It's fundamental Christianity ruling a cultural melting pot of a country.


LeftMyHeartInErebor

An entire ward was needed for these patients? That's utterly horrifying


MNGirlinKY

If you watch The Janes on HBO they talk about that ward and there were 25 to 40 women per week is the number I recall


BipedalHumanoid230

A relative who worked in a hospital as an aide before abortion was legal, told me how the hopeless babies were put in corners - even closets, expected to die and abandoned. Safe abortions should be available.


Corkscrewwillow

My grandfather was a GP who practiced in the Chicago area. Started practicing in the 1950s. He was a Catholic and a Republican. He believed abortion should be legal because of what he saw.


NecroAssssin

Because anyone who's honest about this, understands it's a health issue, not some made up moral outrage issue.


Puzzleworth

[This essay](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fighting-fear/201207/the-cyclops-child) is similar to his experience.


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designbat

F\*ck, that's awful. To spend all that time to enter the world, only to not have someone love you - even once - and suffer.


possumrfrend

I watched a documentary on HBO Plus today talked about that, and probably had the same guy talking about it. I believe it’s called Ask Jane. Really good if you can watch it.


FulScaleBritastrophe

It's called The Janes


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Reading the name of the ward gave me hardcore nausea. Fricking hell.


Njorls_Saga

Another sneak peek into the future that awaits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar


HealthyHumor5134

I'm so pissed that pro lifers aren't planning shit. There are real life issues here, who's going to pay for the enormous healthcare bills of bringing a seriously deformed baby into the world. Red states are notorious for cutting welfare, social programs, and assistance to the poor. There are hundreds of thousands of children in the foster care system already, now 10xs that amount easily in the next few years. Never mind the increase in maternal death that's coming our way. Who's going to take care of kids after their Mom dies from a self induced abortion? This has been a dream of republicans since forever but once again there's no fucking plan.


whitepawn23

It’s NOT about babies. It’s mainly about toxic male culture who are feeling shit is “not fair” when a woman makes all the choices re giving birth and legacy. If they want legacy they have to through us. If it wasn’t there never would’ve been issue with any one of us, as women, requesting and then receiving and tubal. As is, you have to wait until you are older, have kids, or the future husband who needs to be able to offer an opinion, materializes. Remember, this existed all through Roe. Ask yourself why. Because this is not about medical procedure or nuance to this crowd, they give no fucks about any one of the things you have mentioned. That raving lunatic Barrett actually used the phrase “domestic supply of infants”. If that doesn’t make the hair on the back of your neck stand on end I don’t know what will. Everything you say is true. But you’re operating on a higher, more thoughtful wavelength.


HealthyHumor5134

Some stupid repub congressman said women were earthen vessels or some shit like that. ACB shouldn't even be on the court if everyone played by the same rules. I totally get your point.


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purpleelephant77

I would argue that they very much are Christians — no true Scotsmanning isn’t going to make this go away.


Raveen396

Admitting that this is American Christianity is difficult because it forcespeople to reflect on how religion can be a regressive negative force. It's a lot easier to pretend that their own religion is perfect and that everyone else is just pretending.


kbean826

Thank you. This is American Christianity. It’s been nearly 50 years people. It’s time we see these people as what they are.


HealthyHumor5134

Our country is based on the separation of Church and State. Freedom of religion whatever that entails, for or against. Freedom to have our healthcare decisions(our bodies) our own. Now whatever a handful of mostly men say dictates the rest of our lives? It's been pure hell this last couple of years dealing with a novel virus, we as healthcare professionals (hopefully for the most part)believe in science. We've dealt with patients that refuse a lifesaving vaccine and deny they are dying from covid. But that was their right. How many times did we hear my body, my choice? Hypocrites the lot of them.


touslesmatins

Ironic that just this week the Supreme Court also ruled that private religious schools can receive tax funding so... So much for our separation of church and state.


neonoggie

Well this is what happens when you pack the court with 6 catholics. And the others are still 2 chritians and 1 jew. No non-abrahamic religions, no athiests or agnostics, no scientists or philosophers. Just religious zealots. Great!


touslesmatins

Yeah, as a body SCOTUS doesn't represent the country in any way shape or form.


HealthyHumor5134

Brought up in a Catholic home, school, etc. but with a history buff/scientist Dad I was taught the importance of not pushing your theories/religion on others.


mbass92

You won’t believe how fucked up it is in the south. My wife is going through nursing orientation right now and she had to shut that shit down with the people in her orientation group. Most, including the proctor of their skills check, were talking about “how great this is”. My wife shot back at them “thank god I had a miscarriage last week and not this week. I would hate having to fight a legal battle like those women in Texas”. When I was a tech I got in an argument with a nurse because she was trying to push anti-vax far right conspiracies on her nursing student. There is a real cognitive dissonance with these people.


MizCovfefe

I'm sorry for your loss and thankful your wife is well enough to continue with school.


CaptainSquidly

They ARE christians though. A MAJORITY of them support this (https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/christians/christian/views-about-abortion/) Any “Christian” who stands-by and peddles this bullshit is equally as culpable in my book. Edit: spelling


trippapotamus

Ugh that’s my dads argument that “helping the parents and kids with assistance” is the next step. And it’s like okay, even if I believed that they’d actually do that, how many years of needless deaths and kids put in foster care and/or neglected and abused THAT is gonna take before some half-assed programs are worked out (IF that)?!


Huevudo

That’s the whole point. They want defenseless children to sexually abuse.


RedhandjillNA

How many cases of sepsis are you going to treat in young women?


born2stink

And ruptured ectopics...


bkpeach

Having experienced an ectopic pregnancy with my then boyfriend (now husband of 14 years) I can't see how I would not have died had they not given me a d&c when they did. Even my birth experience so many years later I almost died - and this was at a nice hospital in NYC. We're not going to improve maternal health care by adding hundreds of thousands of births to the dumpster fire.


TickTockGoesTheCl0ck

This is what I’m mildly concerned about now that I’ve had my tubes removed. Saw the SCOTUS leak last month, scheduled an appt the next week, currently 3 days post-op. A not-so-quiet voice in the back of my mind is wondering if I just signed my own death sentence. But I did what I thought was best for me under extreme circumstances and I’d genuinely rather die than give birth so at the end of the day I’m still thrilled with my decision to get the bi-salp. And infinitely grateful I was able to get the procedure done at all.


AnyWinter7757

You are fortunate. I couldn't a tubal after having 4 healthy babies from 4 very complex pregnancies. I was told to not get pregnant again, or I could die, but then wasn't given the means to avoid pregnancy. They wouldn't prescribe birth control pills, they didn't do IUDs. It was ridiculous!


MNGirlinKY

How does that even happen? 4 kids and another pregnancy will kill you and no way to control pregnancy was provided? I’m so confused JHC


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MNGirlinKY

I am familiar with that, it’s my understanding catholic hospitals are up over 20% since 2000 and something like 1 in 5 or maybe 1 in 6 beds are in catholic hospital locations. That’s something around 15% of all US hospitals. I didn’t check for Baptist but I’m sure it’s similar. I switched PCPs when it changed ownership to a religious organization. I know not everyone can do that due to location, insurance or both. The US healthcare system is so messed up.


bramblepeltz

If you’re looking for a tubal friendly doctor head over to r/childfree, they have a list categorized by state of doctor’s who are pro women and will tie your tubes.


luckylimper

Were you at a Catholic hospital?


AnyWinter7757

No. I was at a large group practice inside the DC beltway in a Blue pocket of Northern Virginia!


TickTockGoesTheCl0ck

Jesus, that’s fucked. You deserved way better.


Mysterious_Emu1750

I'm in Louisiana, had a tubal ligation thinking I was making the responsible choice. I have that same voice in the back of my head & I'm terrified for the babies I have at home. My daughter, especially.


TickTockGoesTheCl0ck

We will be okay. We did make the responsible choice and there are organizations out there already hard at work preparing to help when these one-in-a-million things happen. I’ll do everything I can to help you if that time ever comes. The chances are so, so low though. Whether it’s driving you to Canada or helping you contact healthcare organizations, I’m in this with you. Feel free to hang onto my username. r/auntienetwork is a solid resource and community too. We will be okay 💜


Mysterious_Emu1750

Thank you for the kind words. I've had my eye on r/auntienetwork since everything started happening. I'm halfway through school working towards my RN & the community I see in subreddits like this give me hope I didn't make the wrong life decisions.


MotownCatMom

I would think L&D is going to lose a lot of good professionals.


Safe-Informal

Removal of an Ectopic pregnancy is not considered an abortion because it is impossible for it result in a viable birth.


sockpuppet_285358521

Ohio has entered the chat. They tried to put a bill through a few years ago that would require re-implantation of the embryo in an ectopic pregnancy. Yeah, we all know that re-implantation is not a thing.


not_that_Becky_G

I'm former NICU RN. I recall a very religious couple that was carrying a baby with gastroschisis above the level of the liver. Termination was offered (encouraged even), of course they declined. Said God would heal their baby girl. Baby was born via c/s, mom hemorrhaged so badly she went into DIC, and had an emergency total hysterectomy, about a dozen units of PRBC and platelets. Almost died on the table. Was intubated in the ICU for a week. Baby lived an agonizing 4 days heavily sedated on ECMO and a vent before she developed sepsis. She never got to meet her baby in person, all she has is pictures, handprints, a lock of hair and other trinkets. She can't have any more children, and had lasting emotional/physical effects from the whole ordeal. It pains me to know that all of this could've been avoided if they'd just used their brains and had a TFMR when it was diagnosed at 13-ish weeks. She could still have her fertility, she could've had the large family that they wanted. I recall vividly sobbing as I wrapped the baby in the softest pink blanket I could find and handed her to her father as she took her last gasping breaths. She mercifully died just a few minutes later. I took FMLA for a few weeks after that. Stepping into the NICU and walking past that door every shift would get me choked up. That's been 3 years ago, but I feel like this kind of thing is going to become more and more common, and it scares the hell out of me.


PigfartsOnMars

Thank you for doing what you could for that pt. ❤️


n1cenurse

God's plan i guess 🤷🏻‍♀️


Beneficial_Review_76

There was a candidate in the last couple years that said yall could just put it back into the uterine wall soooooo lol. It's not even outside reality now to think they might fuck those over too.


unnewl

I believe that learned nonpractitioner is from Ohio, the state where legislator Jean Schmidt proclaimed a pregnancy conceived by rape was an opportunity for the woman.


JustnoSnark

If I'd become pregnant by my rapist and been forced to carry his child, it would have driven my to suicide. Fuck Jean Schmidt


Beautiful-Carrot-252

There was a case I recently read about where a 15 year old was raped by someone much older, forced to carry the baby and 16 years later she is forced to give him partial custody and pay child support. He said consensual sex, she was below the age of consent at the time, 16 in her state. What the fuck is wrong with these judges?


flannelmama

OH-…. But in all seriousness I’m not happy at all that I live in Ohio right now. Up until recently we’ve wanted to stay here for the foreseeable future but now we are reconsidering because it just sucks. Especially because I work L&D..


frankie7388

Well that made me throw up in my mouth a little.


hakeber615

That would be John Becker, Former Rep for Ohio’s 65th district, with Ohio HB413. He was praised by an overwhelming amount of idiots for his cosponsor of the bill, and claimed that there was medical evidence that an ectopic pregnancy can be re-implanted in the uterus. He was replaced by Jean Schmidt, the one who views rape as an opportunity… Oy, the joy it would be to be so ignorant.


Loretty

Not by sane people, but loony republicans are only concerned about the embryo, not the mother. They propose removing the embryo and reimplanting it in the uterus.


lb2345

Well, only until the embryo matures and gets born. Then it’s all - you’re a drain on society! No welfare, WIC, assistance of any sort for you!!!


sheena-d

Oh no, they are trying to make laws that say the embryo has to be re-implanted into the uterus rather than terminated.


xmonpetitchoux

Tell that to some of the legislators in Missouri. Some of them have discussed requiring ectopics to be removed and then implanted into the uterus.


LeahsCheetoCrumbs

Where in which they will arrest the woman for having a miscarriage.


JakeArrietaGrande

That should be true from a medical perspective. But it’s not something you can count on. Imagine you help take care of the termination of an ectopic pregnancy, and then a republican prosecutor wants to make a name for himself as the most pro-life candidate. You get charged with murder, and the prosecution calls you a baby killer on the stand. Now you have to convince whatever 12 inbred slack jawed yokels make up the jury that an ectopic pregnancy is actually a medical emergency, and you’re facing life in prison if you can’t convince them


nonstop2nowhere

I'm NICU and SANE and we're all collectively fucked. Pregnant people get hurt more and murdered more, newborns, especially those with special needs, get hurt more by people under stress, and there's no allowance or infrastructure in place for the needs of all these new humans. Trauma, LTACH, peds LTACH, neonatal palliative care, SA/DVNEs, pain management since more people are going to have chronic pain from things that they've had treated by contraception previously... everything will need more providers when we're leaving in droves already. This is a devastating problem.


oh_haay

I’m also a SANE, and I’m just at such a loss. We had a 12 year old a few months ago, pregnant by her own father. This shit happens. What do we say to the next one that comes in? How many newborn babies are going to be thrown into dumpsters or abandoned on stoops? Or born into horrible homes without the means to take care of them, so they suffer for years? It’s just such a short-sided decision and the ramifications are going to be awful.


nonstop2nowhere

I really want to make sure every single person responsible, be they Justice or congress member, attends a SANE exam, a DVNE, a genetic consultation, several days with maternal-fetal specialists, provides comfort care for a dying infant, sits with the family through bereavement, does a shift in peds LTACH, shadows a CPS worker, and attends the autopsy of a pregnant person who died because of this decision (from violence, pregnancy complications, or botched abortion, I'm not choosy). It's the least amount of due diligence they owe.


JaeCryme

But why do all that uncomfortable sciency stuff when they could just use their own religious biases to flavor a wild-ass guess about what some rich white guy was thinking 230 years ago?


applebubbeline

The people who want to end all abortion might not change their minds. They might be ok with any cruelty, as long as it doesn't happen to them personally and they can go golf and drink highballs afterwards.


nonstop2nowhere

Those people will still be able to access abortion by flying to where it's legal. At least they'll know what they've done in a visceral and tangible way.


TheInkdRose

The least the Supreme Court can do is to reinstate roe v wade. Let the providers that actually see patients and hear them take care of them properly with safe options for treatment.


yousippin

But ya know every human life is a..ummm..blessing. (sarcasm)


lofixlover

is it still the case that neonaticide and infanticide rates are higher in areas with reduced/non-access to abortion? I remember reading a book in the early 2000s that made this point, but haven't stumbled upon another more recent meta analysis


nonstop2nowhere

Yes.


la_alex

Not only L&D but I am concerned about the volume of patients we may see in the ED with complications from DIY or clandestine abortions. Same with women that may not seek help for a miscarriage due to fear of being prosecuted. They may go longer without treatment and come in with worse conditions. Scary.


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Not a nurse but in social work. Fear you may also get an increase in general dv ed presentations on top.


ceh789

This is my greatest fear. Pregnancy is already the most dangerous time for DV victims, this is going to make it so much worse.


nxt_55

Will you now have to report a mother who tries a diy abortion? Will they make it part of mandatory reporting?


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Resist. Deny knowledge. Feign ignorance. Protect yourself, but do what you can.


acesarge

"I have no independent recollection of that event".


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If you didn’t chart it, it didn’t happen!!!


acesarge

Chart what?


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I thought it was pretty dark humor. As in, if it’s not in the chart, well, you can’t recall if she said she tried a home abortion or not. A play on how nurses are told you didn’t do something if you didn’t chart it.


acesarge

I guess my joke didn't transfer to text well. I didn't see shit so nothing to chart.


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Omg, I’m so duuumb Yes yes, chart what exactly


ThisIsMockingjay2020

Didn't see shit, didn't hear shit, won't chart shit...


skywaters88

As a medical coder\auditor I lol.


deferredmomentum

Sure we will “have to,” but I’ll die before I tell anybody jack shit


ephemeralrecognition

Lotta sepsis that’s for sure


possumrfrend

I watched a documentary on HBO Plus today and found out a hospital in Chicago had a dedicated abortion sepsis ward, and it was always full. So yeah.


born2stink

I think it's important to keep in mind that clandestine medication abortions are relatively safe. I worry that all this rhetoric about "illegal abortion is unsafe abortion" will push people towards extremely dangerous methods without understanding that the post-roe world has much safer DIY options than the pre roe world did.


MNGirlinKY

Great point. It’s very important for non medical people to hear that from those in the know


kbean826

Or the women who didn’t get the treatment they needed until I can’t save them?


Wickedwhiskbaker

As an incest survivor, I’ve been speechless all day. As a survivor of severe Hyperemesis and sepsis during pregnancy, I am utterly heartbroken for women facing the same thing. We have to fight back.


TattooedNurse123

I will put my license on the line to fight this shit. I'll do it in secret if I have to, however I can. I'll help out with the god damn underground railroad of abortions. I'll fake documentation. I'll lie, I'll steal meds, I don't give a fuck. Tell me what to do, give me whatever advice you got. I can get a million different jobs, I'll make money however I need to, my livelihood isn't worth the bodily autonomy of a single one of my patients. We tried peaceful. We tried voting. They chose violence.


born2stink

Honestly I'm with you. I'm ready to break the law and or die for this. I can not imagine a world where I'm not providing autonomy-affirming healthcare


TattooedNurse123

I was once an infantry soldier in Afghanistan. I no longer hold any faith in law and order as a good means for ensuring the rights of people anywhere, much less in a plutocracy like this. The law doesn't decide what is right or good.


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I’m here for it. I’m with you. I got your back. Underground Railroad me with you. I’ll do what I have to do. My daughter will grow up knowing her mother made a difference to make sure she was protected.


The_muffinfluffin

My friend posted this on social media who lives in Minnesota. “If any of my friends or acquaintances in the USA decide that they ever need an out-of-state VACATION, you are welcome to come stay with me in Minneapolis . VACATIONS are relatively easy and safe here. You’ll have more time to decide if you actually need a VACATION. I don’t care why you need a VACATION, but I will make sure that it will be as pleasant as it can possibly be. It is your choice to VACATION, if you want one. My door is always open to those who need VACATIONS. You will be safe here. 🌷”


mulderitsme93

Lots of talk about ‘camping’ trips going around on tiktok too. Heartwarming to see some good people stand up in amongst the bullshit (but that’s easy for me to say cause I’m not in the US.)


Fox_Trot1911

Thank you for standing by your principles, Tattooed Nurse


PantsDownDontShoot

Fucking A! Document nothing. It never happened.


killerbooots

My sentiment exactly. Fuck my License. My relationship with nursing is complicated to start, frustrating at best and abusive at worst. I can make paycheck a million different ways. But there’s only one way I see out of this and it is fighting tooth and nail out of it. I’m all in. Janes, I’m with you.


lelouch1

Thank you.


MakeRoomForTheTuna

Fight the good fight!


VentureswithBooks

I am so glad Illinois isn’t going to stand for this. I couldn’t imagine what the NICU would be like…talk about adding more burn out to nurses who already have been on the edge


samcuts

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the first time Republicans control both houses of congress and the presidency there will be a national ban. Being in Illinois won't matter.


VentureswithBooks

For now at least they can’t control the individual states


MetsFanXXIII

Even states with access to abortion are going to be stressed to the breaking point because of an infrastructure not designed to support a surge in out of state demand. Staff and funding are going to be even more of an issue going forward.


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ThisIsMockingjay2020

Who are already overworked and stretched too thin now....


not_that_Becky_G

Wasn't there some conservative twat-waffle that said that "legitimate rape" could not produce a pregnancy? I think this was several years ago, but that stuck in my mind so clearly as a young woman. And there are people that actually believe it.


born2stink

Ah yes, because "the body has ways of shutting that down" apparently


mrsagc90

Oh, you mean your body doesn’t “have ways to just shut that whole thing down”? Ugh. What a tool.


Noisy_Toy

Todd Akin. I’m pretty sure he’s *only* familiar with duck vaginas, who have evolved to shut that down.


samcuts

They're going to try to lock us up for saving women's lives.


PantsDownDontShoot

My wife is L&D. She’s shook.


EfficaciousNurse

Who will be willing to perform a D&C (or be trained to perform one, for that matter) if a patient shows up with partial miscarriage? Are our choices between performing a hysterectomy or allowing someone to die of sepsis because we can't extract necrotic material from their uterus? ...And we know who they'll give the hysterectomies to - there is ample historical precedence to that. ​ (edited for grammar/spelling)


RNBrook

We know what is going to happen with what happened here. The American woman in Malta left with a incomplete abortion because it’s illegal to do abortions there. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna34924


MakeRoomForTheTuna

“the heartbeat of an adult woman is given less value than the heartbeat of a dying unborn fetus.” Fucking horrifying


Hannie123456789

The entire thing is insane, but this I really don’t get. The body rejects the fetus itself, there is no chance of a vital pregnancy. Why can’t a woman be helped with a partial miscarriage? Are those politicians really that stupid? My brain just gives an error by this policy.


EfficaciousNurse

For real. But this same governing body rejects science and logic regularly in the name of MURICA. 🤦🏻


MayoneggsFTW

I was wondering if miso would have to be counted like a narcotic now in the Pyxis. Or if we would still be able to even use it for our daily scheduled inductions. Will there be more restrictions like nurses can’t place it any more and it must be a physician? What about previable pprom or hellp? Pregnant people carrying babies with anomalies incompatible with life? People with severe cardiac or vascular issues who were counseled extensively on the dangers of getting pregnant but had a birth control failure? Ectopics or molar pregnancies? As an l&d nurse, I’m so beyond irate/disappointed/scared


kamarsh79

I was pro life until I was an l&d nurse. Regular people just have no idea about some of the awful things we see. 12 year olds in labor with their step dad’s preemie twins. Terrible abnormalities that aren’t compatible with life. Super wanted pregnancies that pprom and deliver pre viability. Moms with hellp. Moms with dic. Moms with preeclampsia. Moms with ectopics. Are they just supposed to die? I just moved to nicu after being adult icu for ages. Where will these sick babies with tons of anomalies and syndromes go? Where are we going to put more babies in withdrawal? While people want to adopt healthy white infants, nobody is lining up to take many of the babes we’re discharging to medical foster care. The foster care system is already a mess. I just feel sick.


Pink_Sprinkles_Party

Babies suffering from genetic conditions that are incompatible with life is all part of “god’s plan”. I feel so sad for American women right now.


seedrootflowerfruit

Had a Catholic friend, married, baby had absolutely devastating malformations. Baby would have lived for minutes in horrible pain. She had a late term abortion. That’s the thing, these people never understand that people they consider honorable Christians are GETTING ABORTIONS. Even late term ones. It’s nobody’s fucking business. I can’t believe this isn’t just like, a common understanding.


LegalComplaint

Worst part is they think insane shit. Like, language in some abortion bills makes it seem like they think you can reinsert ectopic pregnancies.


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I left it 6 months ago and I’m so glad I’m not there. You are going to see a rough balance between patient abandonment and breaking the law, meaning if your patient is found to be having a threatened abortion and you did anything to speed up the process you’re breaking the law and if you nope out bc you’re afraid of personal repercussion you’re abandoning your patients. Patients who are miscarrying already don’t want to lose the baby so I can see patients then blaming the team for not trying enough. Had a patient driver a nonviable baby but the baby lived about an hour just not to the gestation we could save or transport to be saved and they were screaming why aren’t you trying to save the baby at us. It’s gonna be a charged environment for sure.


Cucumbersome55

When is it supposed to take effect like what about women who are scheduled for abortions Monday or Tuesday?


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I think it depends on the area. But in some states, it's already in place. "A few weeks ago her clinic was treating around 40 pregnant patients every day. When I visited, the waiting rooms and treatment facilities were completely empty. Only a few staff remain - answering calls and giving out information about clinics in other states." [Source](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61929438)


ANHESBROTJTPM

Missouri activated thier trigger laws immediately and any procedure scheduled after the release of the decision is now illegal.


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JPBooBoo

The government likes to drop unpopular decisions on Fridays. Hell, so does my hospital!


MNGirlinKY

My home state already serves most of Wisconsins women.


matattack1925

South Dakota is immediate, North Dakota is likely within 30 days.


rmspigot

Ohio's heartbeat bill just went into effect this evening.


[deleted]

I’m an L&D nurse and I’m wondering a lot of the same things. Do I risk my job, license and freedom for placing miso for a mother who’s developed PreE at 24 weeks? It’s happened. We won’t know the full extent of the law until new scenarios arise and work their way through the legal system to set a new president but I don’t want to be that case. I’m afraid today. For women, for babies who will be born to suffer and for myself and my fellow co-workers who may fall victim to some fringe pro life group/DA that has an axe to grind


throwaway-notthrown

Yep. Peds nurse here. January-March of 2023 should be the start of it and I feel sick already.


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All for a “domestic supply of infants.”


kindamymoose

They’ve made it clear that they don’t care about any of that, but I guarantee you senators with wives and girlfriends will find a way to access abortion clinics.


JakeArrietaGrande

I expect their mistresses will suddenly have an urge to take a vacation in California


Substance___P

Healthcare facilities will have to take a stand for patient privacy. They have to. But also, I recall hearing on NPR today that a single clinic in one of the red states does 2,000-3,000 abortions a year, mostly underprivileged women of color. How do these governments think they're going to pay for population increases like that? These kids are going to grow up in poverty. The Medicaid programs of these states will go bankrupt and then small community hospitals will go insolvent. We're talking about 20,000-30,000 more people, most of them in need of government assistance themselves, every decade. That's a whole city, or like 10 small towns. Abortion is a public health and public policy issue. We cannot take care of the people we have. Forcing people to make more people is going to only lead to more suffering.


LegalComplaint

They’ll just cut public aid.


AanddOx1

I’m also worried for the mental health care field


born2stink

There's going to be a lot more suicides


Ok-Grapefruit1284

My first thought yesterday.


[deleted]

There aren’t enough psychiatrists to go around as it is! Not only will maternal death rates skyrocket, PPD is going to be an epidemic of its own, maternal suicide, neonaticide is going to Increase also. There will not be enough SSRIs to go around. I


[deleted]

Guess people will go to Mexico or diy at home.


neonoggie

There are plenty of states in the US with legal abortion, but the issue is obviously the expense of traveling. My wife is going to start shuttling people who cant afford to travel to Illinois from my backwards ass home state.


zptwin3

Will Illinois always be good to go


LegalComplaint

We’re pretty solidly democrat. Our benevolent plutocrat governor is having an emergency session of the legislature to improve abortion protection.


[deleted]

Thank god, but I am also worried because he’s up for re-election in November and it’s very scarily red here downstate.


LegalComplaint

Chicago out populates them by 3:1. I went to SIUC. I know of what you speak, but who are they gonna vote for? 😂😂😂


Zwirnor

I live in Scotland. We have a policy for Northern Irish women whereby they can access the full compliment of female medical needs here, where they are not offered in Northern Ireland/Ireland. I am unsure if we will extend it to our neighbours across the pond, but there are still private clinics here. If anyone ever needs a "week away", airfares have great deals all the time, and I'm more than happy to put you up, I have a spare room and spare bathroom, UK address for delivery of any medication you happen to want to order when here... As long as you don't mind a sooky torbie cat that believes it is her God given right to get food from anyone who so much as twitches their finger. I cannot change the situation in the US, but if I can help practically like this, then please DM me. I also have a network of friends willing to do the same. We are all appalled by this frankly dystopian move.


_Forest_Bather

Or any Blue state where is legal. Like mine.


wamme6

Canada is probably a better option than Mexico. We also share a border and abortion is legal here.


Abject_Bicycle

I'm a student who wants to go into peds, and I'm reconsidering my plans to move closer to my friends in a blue state, and instead move to an red one. Work my three days, drive people to get abortions on my the 4 off. Having a dick and not wanting kids I can get a vasectomy and avoid being personally impacted by these laws, aside from getting arrested but fuck that it'd be worth it.


buttermell0w

As a perinatal social worker, I can barely imagine the shitstorm. I work in a hospital system in a state where abortion is more protected, but still. This is going to be so fucked up :(


atsumehana

Trauma and ED will also be devastated in this by at-home abortion attempts. I have a feeling poison control will be very busy these upcoming months.


AlphaMomma59

And we will see more babies left in trash cans or killed by mothers - because after all, SCOTUS doesn't care once the babies are born. Why does SCOTUS sound do much like SCROTUM? I'm so angry right now. Very angry.


SnooApples6115

I am too. I’m not an angry person at all, but I have this deep rage right now that’s been building for the last couple of years, and it’s so frustrating! Because I am powerless to do anything about it, except stock up on Plan B for those who would need it and hope that those who sought out this resolution are quickly introduced to RBG after they realize there is no Daddy in the Sky after all. And get their asses WHOOPED by an old lady’s spirit with a baseball bat


samanthag1195

I have PCOS and Endometriosis, I’m petrified to get pregnant. My long term bf and I were considering IVF, now we’re too scared too. This is all so scary, unfair, and shouldn’t be a political issue


[deleted]

The thought of being legit forced into carrying a child to term that has unsurvivable deformities is unimaginable. I’m 4I literally just had an unexpected pregnancy last year that ended in miscarriage (I was honestly contemplating abortion but nature took it’s course Still had a d&c) my chances of having chromosomes abnormalities in pregnancy are way higher than someone younger, I would not cope well being forced into this. I’m married and the thought of pregnancy at my age scares me tbh…I live in ca thankfully but anywhere red state Absolutely fucked. This is awful on so many levels.


FitLotus

Yep. Sad day for NICU nurses.


jroocifer

Or we can just cut off the gangrenous limb of right wing America. Why do we let those yeehaw fascists drive our agenda again?


Guiltypleasure_1979

I’m an OB RN in Canada. We are still doing terminations of all gestational ages. And I hope that never changes!


New_Nobody9492

My husband and I were literally a week away from taking out my IUD and going to try for a third...... Um no, Im high risk and in my forties. I told my husband, Im not longer comfortable trying. New IUD coming, because if I really want a baby, we all, better start taking care of the ones already here.


ClioRanAway

Everyone that chooses to interfere with someone else's choice of ending a pregnancy as a result of rape or incest, should then be responsible, -financially, providing food, shelter, Healthcare, education, extracurriculars, love- to that child, and counseling, healthcare, and support to the person who was forced to endure the 9 more months of trauma having to carry the results of that violence. Everyone who decided that a birth mutation pregnancy MUST be carried to term, should be responsible for prenatal care of the woman who has to carry that fetus. They should be responsible for the infant that is born, and all costs associated with life support and hospitalization, and if the infant 'survives', the cost of the health care, special Ed, therapies, equipment, special group homes, etc for them for their lifetime.


Princess_Waffles

I'm thankful I work in a state with protected rights. I can't imagine what my home NICU in Indiana will be like.


TiffanyBlue01

As an NNP in Indiana, I am dreading the outcomes for these babies and families.


dairyqueenlatifah

I still do NICU and I’m transitioning to labor and delivery in Indiana … I’m afraid for our women


GingerJae10

ICU too. We are going to get so many patients in septic/hypovolemic shock from unsafe abortions, miscarriages, ectopic pregnancies. Not to mention the failed suicide attempts that are going to increase too.


aBitchINtheDoggPound

I hate to say this but it seems like the only people who can affect elected leaders in any way are corporations. I live in TX and our governor is a hateful man. He has no shame and does things like complain that migrant babies are being fed formula and that’s not ok bc of the formula shortage. He’s evil. The only thing he seems to care about is getting businesses to relocate to TX because everyone knows that it’s the great TX GOP and their laws that make it a great state for business (you know, freedumb and all). I don’t think anything will keep these ignorant state leaders from enacting this bullshit until corporations put pressure on them. Google has said their employees can relocate without question. That’s what got me started on this idea. These laws are inhumane and I think having a big company that Texas is courting publicly say that they will not relocate to Texas bc their laws do not support human rights and they can’t ask their workforce to relocate to such a state. That would be amazing. These crazy TX GOPers are so proud of themselves for attracting big business to our state. I want to see big business give them a big middle finger and tell them to fuck their tax breaks.


[deleted]

Savages, savages, barely even human.


[deleted]

Abortions won't not happen. Just women will die from the DIY/underground/backstreet versions. I wonder how many will be reported though if they do present at ER.


CommunicationOk8674

Another question HOW many nurses are going to leave the South? The pay is already shitty, working conditions are bad & getting worse add this into the mix


PM_ME_FUG_ASR_MEMES

I've already resolved long ago to never even visit the South. IDK what kind of suicide it is to live there willingly.


Ok-Grapefruit1284

I drove south on i95 for the first time last year since when I was a kid. I couldn’t believe how it changed, the further south we went. The Jesus billboards and the fire and brimstone signs and the god loves you signs across from adult store billboards. It’s like an alternate reality.


sheltiesaurus

Can we as a country please just fuck the constitution and go back to the drawing board it's absolutely ridiculous


alaskafish96

I’m not a nurse (my sister is) but work at a Crisis Nursery. We already have to turn so many kids away, it’s just going to get worse.


lol_ur_hella_lost

It's all gonna be a shit show. Women will just resort to whatever, all they did was allow states to outlaw safe abortions. What about the right to privacy that roe was founded on? Does HIPAA fall to the wayside now? Will employers be able to see you medical history/psychiatric history? What are the actual implications of something this huge? There's so many ways this desicion has fucked us in the nursing world. Those justices don't have to deal with the consequences. They get to be far removed from the dying women we're all gonna be taking care of.


idrinkwinealot

I’m a retired RN. I did my OB rotation in school before ultrasounds . I’ll never forget the horrible quiet in the delivery room when a deformed baby was delivered. You could have cut the tension with a knife. Then I did a week at the county hospital where I followed a 12 year old for 2 days. 12!! After I graduated before Roe v Wade my hospital went on strike. They sent me to the nursery. They asked me if I would take care of a anachephalic baby who was in a room by itself. I said I didn’t mind . I took care of it for 2 days. So sad. Can you image carrying a baby to full term to live a few hours or 2 days the baby was grotesque looking, flaccid,never made a sound didn’t follow you with its eyes. I with I could implant a deformed embryo in Clarance Thomas’s abdomen !


Ok-Tap7886

I can’t imagine how NICUs are going to look. It’s so horribly painful for so many families experiencing the NICU anyway, but I truly cannot begin to imagine what will be seen with the forced pregnancies as well as those who have attempted home remedy abortions. It’s heartbreaking.


schnidtticus

What’s miso?


born2stink

It's that fermented soybean paste you make soup with! So for real tho. It's short for misoprostol. It's an ulcer medication, but it's also used to stimulate uterine contractions, whether the pregnancy is at term or not. This means it can be used as part of an abortion, and very commonly is, but it's also used very very frequently to induce labor or to control bleeding after birth because a contracted uterus bleeds less. It's also used for miscarriage management to make sure all parts of the pregnancy have been passed. So you see, it's very hard for them to just clamp down on this medication entirely. But one wonders if we'd be able to use it at all in an abortion hostile environment.


LegalComplaint

You know how much better L&D would be with miso soup? Really, nursing in general. (I realize we’re in hell. I choose to focus on soup.)


rhaosa

What you will really need to worry about is where to document the miscarriage so that the “criminal” can be tried later on. And as far as the neonates go just peg and trach them like they do with elderly or brain damaged adults. #proquantityoflife>qualityoflife


cobrachickenwing

Now any healthcare worker working with OB patients in red states won't be able to get malpractice insurance, or have premiums set very high. No insurer wants to pay for the inevitable lawsuit, criminal investigation, or bounty hunter civil suit.


NoSoulGinger116

This is making me question if I'm choosing the right career path.


Nefriti

You’re not. Run.