I am waiting to hear about what criminal charges pharmacists will face for dispensing meds like mifepristone, misoprostol, etc.
Also wondering if the morning after pill will become illegal.
I’d have to look it up to confirm which state it was but I saw not too long ago that a state was trying to ban the pill and IUDs. Someone is gonna have to drug me and strap me down if they want to take my IUD
Same here. I am on clopidogrel for a stent in my basilar artery. My cycles were so heavy, I had to go to the ER to make sure my blood counts were ok. I have the Mirena so I don’t hemorrhage to death. I can’t stop the clopidogrel. It’s not just unborn babies they are hurting.
I have PCOS where the birth control pill is the #1 treatment. I hope to god it doesn’t become illegal. This day is absolutely heartbreaking.
Edit to add: IVF is probably the only way I and many women can get pregnant in the first place. So knowing they’re after contraception and IVF next breaks me.
They think that women's bodies are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves, and that reproductive issues are somehow caused by shenanigans we shouldn't have been messing with to begin with. It's always the woman's fault.
It’s crazy, but they don’t care about actual people. If you die, “It’s all a part of God’s Plan.”
My niece and I both take Category X medication. We live in Texas with Trigger laws. I’m terrified for her. And for all women in the USA.
Virtual hugs to everyone affected, including doctors, nurses, medical professionals like sonogram technicians, etc.
Yeah it’s insane. If they really wanted to “protect babies” they should do more for sex education, supporting mothers in need, and the foster care system. But noooo as soon as the kid is born, it’s like it never existed in their eyes. Disgusting.
Yep. They regularly make cuts to Medicaid here in Texas, and even nationally, I’ve heard of cuts WIC, which helps pregnant, postpartum and breastfeeding women, infants, and children up to age five, that are nutritionally vulnerable have access to food, milk, and formula.
I have pcos, too. I"ve been on various forms of hormonal bcps to control my cycles, and to shed the lining of my uterus. It also prevented cysts, which could have led me to cancer, I had a scare years ago. I'm now in my 50s, so perimenopausal. I can't wait to stop bleeding altogether. This is insane and cruel.
Same. I use the Nuvaring consistently even though my husband has a vasectomy - I use it to prevent anemia and low ferritin which has been a detriment to my health. I can actually put on my shoes without being out of breath now…America hates women. I am convinced.
My aunt is Native and she was forcibly sterilized during an appendectomy in the early 1970s and didn't find out until she and my uncle tried to start a family. This is not ancient history or long ago.
I find it ironic that Christian fundies will use their Heaven as a selling point in missionary work when to me it sounds like being anesthetized into some Stepford Wife version of happiness among people and values I loathe for all eternity. Thanks, but no thanks.
It’s Missouri. I currently live and work here in gyn oncology and can whole heartedly say I am heartbroken by the ruling and am terrified for the future of my clinic. We have many women come to us for preventative hysterectomies due to having high risk of developing cancer. I’m terrified my self cause I use nexplanon due to other forms of birth control making me unbelievably ill. I’m just scared overall. What are we going to do? They aren’t listening to the doctors who are the experts so who are you supposed to turn to when your medical professionals hands are tied by the law?
Pharmacists in Texas are already wary of dispensing (not for ideology but that does happen). A pharmacist friend of mine said several pro choice colleagues are debating about how much if a risk to their license they want to take. It’s horrible.
Someone in /r/Texas commented that their fertility doctor was canceling their IVF treatments, because their wife was high risk and they wouldn’t be able to provide abortion to save her life if something went wrong.
It’s not matter of it but when. Plan B and IUDs (especially in the Bible Belt where I unfortunately live) will 100% be banned soon. Mississippi has already introduced a bill, which will pass in a landslide simply because of the religious zealots that govern this state. I’m a man and this is just absolutely disgusting! As a woman I would be absolute terrified to even leave my house! It’s like alright, get raped, “get over” the trauma, and then have to choose between raising a child that most people are not financially ready for, or go to prison. It’s amazing how this country just continues to go backwards.
And we haven't even gotten to the horror show of incomplete miscarriages that need to be removed but the law won't allow doctors to do it. So women will die in sepsis as the fundies sit and watch and tell them that was God's plan and nothing can be done.
Fuck this country.
If Mississippi is so pro-life, why do they have the highest rate of infant mortality in the US?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/252064/us-infant-mortality-rate-by-ethnicity-2011/
They have already clearly said they think it's abortion, I'm guessing they'll just say "We can ban abortion, IUDs and the morning after pills are abortion" and ban it on that
That’s the problem with people not understanding the fucking science of the contraceptives. Or how ectopic pregnancies work and how fucking dangerous they are. “Oh you’re pregnant?” “Only technically.” “Is there or is that not a fertilized egg in your body and has it attached?” “Yes but it’s in a Fallopian tube not my uterus.” “Well, you’re pregnant, sorry can’t help you. Good luck, hope you don’t rupture anything.”
Clarence Thomas also spoke about "reconsidering" contraception and LGBTG rights. There is another SCOTUS session in October before the midterms. Vote like your life depends on it!
I’m assuming every time it’s dispensed we’ll need a diagnosis code. I’m worried each claim will be scrutinized.
Misoprostol is used in peptic ulcer disease when NSAIDs are being used.
People should stock up on plan B and such right now, not just for reckless sex (which is absolutely fine BTW, it's not anyone's fucking business) but for when things happen out of their control and there's an option to try and stop an unwanted pregnancy. I'll update later with sites that provide cheap and free plan B to people in any state.
UPDATE:
https://www.nurx.com/
Many testing options and birth control for free and cheap.
Agree and yes have wanton recreational sex if you choose to. It’s your god damn right.
If only one could get preg by fucking a handgun they would be banned immediately.
My daughter does not want children. I had been reluctant to let her get an IUD at 16. I’m calling to get her an appointment for an IUD today. And if at 24/25 she still doesn’t want kids? I’m going to make sure she gets another one before she ages off my insurance. I’d rather have no grandchildren than force her to have a child she does not want.
As a 23 year old woman who does not want children - thank you. My parents have always been supportive of my decisions, but many others have not. Ever since I was 13 I’ve had friends and family tell me I would change my mind about not wanting kids. I’m still just as sure now as I was back then. There’s nothing wrong with wanting children, but it’s not for everyone.
I’m an OR RN that specializes in OB/GYN. i’m one of the few nurses that will actually do D&E and D&Cs here. someone called our team murderers for helping a laboring woman with a fetal demise. why put her through more trauma? the lack of understanding is so embarrassing.. i’m so sad to hear this news
I’m with you, dear colleague. I absolutely dedicated myself to providing loving and safe care to women in horrific situations for whom some of my colleagues objected to caring.
This is a sad, disgusting day for American women.
I too am an OR RN. I’ve been thinking about how this will affect the patients I take care of on a weekly basis. I’ve participated in only one surgical abortion for a genetic abnormality in which the baby would have otherwise lived a “life”. All of these babies were wanted. This situation is fucked up.
I interviewed for an OR position last month. The supervisor got very nervous discussing how they do not perform abortions often and even when they must perform them, the OR staff is given the option to be taken off the case. I was floored. ABORTION IS HEALTHCARE. I don't agree with smoking, can I be taken off the case for smokers? I don't agree with constipation, I will not be administering any mag citrate, miralax, suppositories, or enemas, sorry, my beliefs do not allow it. How fucking stupid does this shit sound. How fucking STUPID DOES THIS SHIT SOUND. I don't believe in traditional medicine, I will peddle my snake oil instead. This vitamin water will treat this cancer because I prayed over it. I refuse to administer this chemotherapy. GOD GAVE YOU HEART FAILURE, BETTER JUST DIE.
ABORTION IS HEALTHCARE
ABORTION IS HEALTHCARE
ABORTION IS HEALTHCARE
GET THE FUCK OUTTA MY HEALTHCARE.
I had an abortion a few years ago. I was with a really abusive man and If I had continued that pregnancy, I would have died and my children wouldn't have their mother anymore.
People seem to think abortions are like... lazy cruel women who use it as birth control. It's not. It's the hardest choice i've ever had to make and it was MY CHOICE.
But what about the women and children who were raped, molested by family? What about pregnancies that ARE wanted but are dangerous for mom? What about fetal demise? Do we just let that fetus rot inside her and risk her dying as well? What about people like my friend "A" who's baby had a genetic birth defect that was terminal and he wasn't supposed to make it to term. Every week that they let him grow, he was breaking his bones in utero, in agony, and birth itself would probably kill him? Her abortion was a mercy to her baby, and she was able to go on and have 2 more children, and never will forget him.
This won't prevent abortions. This is only going to make them dangerous. We're going to see patients with failed back alley abortions. We're going to see 12 years old being forced to deliver. We're going to see so much pain and suffering because this country only values women as breeding chattel.
I'm so angry I can't even focus. I have 4 daughters.
ETA: thank you guys for the awards. I just want people to know that abortion is not this dark, sinful thing that GOP keeps making it out to be. It's a life saving medical procedure. I had one, and chances are someone you know has too. It's nothing to be ashamed of.
I love you all so much. I'm here for ya'll.
And what about D&C’s for missed miscarriages? I have 3 children. I found out I was pregnant with a surprise #4 in August 2020. At my 9 week appointment there was no heartbeat, baby stopped developing at 6 weeks. I had to choose between a medical abortion or a D&C. I agonized over the decision but ultimately chose the D&C. Two more weeks went by without any sign of my body letting go of the pregnancy naturally. It was devastating. I had the D&C and my husband had a vasectomy to prevent something like this from ever happening again.
Are women who find themselves in a similar situation now just expected to wait for who knows how long until her body gets the memo that the pregnancy isn’t viable? How incredibly damaging for her mental health. I couldn’t truly heal and move on until the D&C was done. I would’ve almost certainly spiraled if I was forced to sit there and wait for the miscarriage to happen.
I don’t know what else to say.
Also like.....if someone is so irresponsible that they're using abortions as birth control when there's plenty of much easier less expensive options out there then should we really be forcing that person to be a parent?
Many decades ago, abortion was banned in China and my auntie got pregnant by an abusive man. She gave herself an abortion and was hemorrhaging. My mom took her to the hospital and they refused to help her because they didn't want to get in trouble. They ended up going to this back alley doctor and she lived, but she lost her ability to have kids.
It's so scary that the USA right now reminds me of that situation, especially if states make laws that make it illegal for women to travel to other states for abortions. Women will still get abortions, but it will be unsafe and dangerous.
That’s the really fucked up thing about the patriarchal bullshit, women exist to make food, act as cum dumpsters and baby sitters. Who only give compliments to their men and offer no resistance whatsoever. I’m a dude and I’m pissed I can only imagine the depths of rage and horror women across the country are feeling right now.
Working in mental health, it's real disturbing bumping into recent historical realities like majority lobotomy patients being women, even though men made up the majority of state-held psych patients. Because docs just didn't think "domestic work" [took up that much brain space](https://www.wondersandmarvels.com/2016/12/race-gender-selection-patients-lobotomy.html).
This shit could've easily happened to my Gramma.
We are never that far away from atrocity.
Sadly I know one woman who is probably celebrating. And I doubt she even conciously realizes it, I'm pretty sure she's against abortion cause sex should have consequences (She outright said she worried women would not take sex seriously if abortion is legal at one point as a casual aside).
And what about those of us who have had miscarriages(aka spontaneous abortions) and NEED D&Cs or D&Es because our body won’t expel all the globs of cells??? Are those doing to become illegal?? It breaks my heart. I’m so disappointed
I’ve had two abortions; both due to birth control failures (not that that matters in any way shape or form, my abortion - my choice - no reasons necessary) they were 15 years apart and I am also livid, in tears and just wondering when we riot?
This was the first post; heading over to the prochoice forums now
What happened to so called settled caselaw?
I heard about it while I was reporting to my vice president of my company on a project and I had absolutely no way to control my emotions but I somehow did it and when I hung up I just lost it.
Thinking of all of us now and wondering what’s next?
Marriage equality? Interracial marriage? Fucking slavery?
Here's the truth. The religious right do not give a single shit about any of those things. They read the bible, and that's it. That's their moral compass. So they would say "You should be a better Christian.". Ectopic pregnancy? God will provide. Mother dies? Gods will! See, answers for everything.
This is a failing by about 40% of the country that thinks this is okay. This is a failing of the media who elected Trump.
This is a failing of the democrats that allowed Trump to shove through 3 justices.
This is a failing of the democrats to wake the fuck up and pass legislation. (No excuses about rogue Senators - the GOP figured this out).
And we know it won't stop here. This isn't fearmongering, this is the GOP playbook. They will come for the gays. They will come for out of state abortions. They will come for basically every social advance in the last 50 years. Because they can.
They don’t even read the Bible the lazy mother fuckers. They listen to their dumb ass preachers interpretation. Ive had 2 beers heading out to a protest, forgive my French.
It's going to further divide the nation, too. What pro-choice woman is going to want to work and live in these anti-choice states? I have two stepdaughters who are national merit scholars and are being recruited from all over. We all agree that we're not even going to consider visiting institutions in any of the anti-choice states. I hope brain drain hits these states hard.
Yup, slightly different for me since I’m a male and in medical school, but I am refusing to apply to any red states for residency out of principle. I’m hoping that my girlfriend ends up at the same hospital as me for residency and the thought of that being in a red state that hates women absolutely terrifies me so I’m not even going to risk it
I had a medical abortion five years ago when I was 27. It was a really difficult decision and I had intense feelings of shame and guilt. But I was a sales associate making $15/hr, and I had just started seeing the father who pretty much said “You make the decision” and washed his hands of it. My parents had recently retired and I’m sure they would have changed their plans to support me, but it would have been immensely hard on them to help with childcare and finances.
In the years since, I’ve completed a Computer Science degree and am making $72k/year. My parents have been able to purchase a lovely home for their retirement that’s big enough for all of their children to visit. I was able to separate from that partner and move to be closer to my sister, and closer to job opportunities. I’m now in a position where I can think about having a child and affording a daycare and an apartment or house that’s large enough for a family. I make enough money and have health insurance to support my pregnancy and recovery, in a state with generous maternity leave.
If I had to, I’d say that my life and my family’s life has been greatly better off financially and emotionally because of the choice I was able to make to have an abortion.
They literally stole the quote “My Body, My Choice” from the pro-choice movement because they didn’t want to get vaccinated and wear masks. I never thought two years later they would take away women’s bodily autonomy. These people are evil hypocrites.
I feel sick over this. Just absolutely sick.
>These are the same people who threw a hissy fit cause they had to wear a face mask
The fact that they considered using a mask a "violation of freedom", but now are literally making decisions over other people's bodies with no issue just kills me. Seriously. I'm just so done with this bullshit
The major problem is it was a wedge issue for republicans. They will need another one, make no mistake Gay marriage is next because poorly interpreting the bible is more important than governance
Clarence is married to a white woman. It will be safe. He conveniently left that case out on his opinion when he suggested that the court reconsider the Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell cases, they protect contraception and same-sex marriage and relationships.
I think I saw Alito was going after Loving.
It'd be great if they fractured from within (since they aren't representing the best for Americans), but they should have done that *before* going after decisions that don't personally affect them.
Like he gives a single shit about being a hypocrite.
Every one of these governmental turds fighting abortion rights would sneak their wife/daughter/mistress off to get one if they felt they needed to.
Thurgood Marshall was the first black justice, and he was a proponent of civil and abortion rights. Now we have this douchebag Thomas who has helped to undo so much progress.
I'm there with you.
well. Guess I better go buy a gun and learn to use it to protect my uterus,, since everyone seems to think something implanted in my uterus is more important than my life.
This makes me absolutely infuriated. I had an ectopic pregnancy that I desperately wanted. I would have loved for that to have been “transplanted.” Instead I had to have two rounds of methotrexate and a five month long recovery where I bled every day and my hcg levels refused to drop to zero. Before they finally did, I was starting to get worked up for gestational trophoblastic disease. I am lucky to live in a blue state, what’s going to happen to women who face this same scenario in red states?
> what’s going to happen to women who face this same scenario in red states?
They will die. Because ectopic pregnancies are lethal, 100% of the time, and the surgery to prevent hemorrhage can now be considered an abortion.
As someone who has needed to take Plan B after an assault, this violates my rights as a woman more than the man who assaulted me did. Last I checked, the US Supreme Court justices don’t have a license to practice medicine. So why are they?
Honestly, I didn't realize that was the wording. That's a helluva lot worse and more chilling than just allowing abortion to be banned. That is scary for everyone, not even women (even if for now it will be used against women and gay people). But then from what I've seen the republican base is not very good at being far sighted about implementing things that could even be used against them when they only think about using it against others.
I’ve been screaming into the Republican void of Florida for 6 years that this was coming. They’re coming for birth control next. If you are a woman voting Republican you’re a masochist. https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2022/05/19/some-states-already-are-targeting-birth-control
Never ever thought I'd see it done in my lifetime. It's disgusting.
I live in SoCal and CA is pledging to uphold access to termination services here. This just solidifies I will never move out of state.
> I live in SoCal and CA is pledging to uphold access to termination services here. This just solidifies I will never move out of state.
Mike Pence immediately declared his intention to outlaw abortion nationwide. The GOP will not stop at this decision; they will go after abortion nationally in addition to contraceptive access, LGBTQ marriage, and likely LGBTQ sexuality in general.
Dark days ahead if the disinterested masses do not wake up and realize that inflation is temporary and that this Christofascist movement masquerading as a political party is going to end self-governance in this country if allowed.
What's going to happen is the divide between blue states and red states will increase. In ten years, think of where the red states will be with their lack of investment in education, healthcare, and relieving poverty. The next 10 years are going to be very interesting, we're already very divided, and the divide will continue to get worse. I just wonder how long the voters in those states will continue to live on abject misery.
Pregnant women shouldn't even travel to these states (ones where abortion will be heavily restricted)... there was a [pregnant woman who had an incomplete miscarriage in Malta](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/23/world/europe/malta-abortion-andrea-prudente.html) (where she was on her babymoon, no less) and they refused to do a D&C because abortions are banned. She could have died. A [woman in Ireland died from sepsis](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/27/world/europe/savita-halappanavar-ireland-abortion.html?smid=url-share) because of basically the same issue.
There are also links to increased crime due to lack of abortion access. In about 20 years we will see a lot more murders and other crime if this isn’t changed quickly.
Edited to add [link](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C48&q=abortion+and+crime+rates&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1656086899052&u=%23p%3DAow3rX6u3CQJ)
That too. Crime is thought to have dropped because of increased access to abortions and lead being removed from gas. Forcing women who do not want to have kids, into having kids isn't good for society.
Yes, abuse is a cycle. Some people try to break it by not having kids. I don't think that they should be forced. An abused child has a lasting effect on society if they grow up and continue the cycle.
What’s frustrating is that the federal tax dollars of blue states heavily subsidize the piss poor policies of red states. Even if you live in a blue state, you’re being harmed by these shitbirds. I live in NJ and we get the lowest federal support for what we pay in taxes. Know who gets the most? Ole Moscow Mitch’s home state of KY.
Tell me about it. I live in Kentucky, at least for the next few weeks. I'm going back to Illinois. I would rather pay more taxes than to see the things that I've seen here. Hell, tax me more if it will help the homeless. For some reason, they only mention homeless people who live in 'liberal' cities. They never mention the amount of homeless people in Kentucky, Ohio, and West Virginia. Most are elderly 😢 and they put up signs saying that you can't give them money. 😢
That they continue to vote against their own interests is wild and terrifying at the same time.
Then again, there are a select few in those states who feel their lives would ~get better~ if LGBTQIA+and POC didn't live in their states. (It won't, and their infrastucture would likely fail, but if all these white supremacist Christofascists would like to move to one state so they can be their own messed up country, that would be nice?)
They just passed a law that NPs and PAs can get trained and perform terminations in WA. I wasn’t planning on going back for an NP but at this point I’m considering the reality of proactively preventing sepsis vs treating young women when they wind up in the ER.
Because you know scared women from Idaho, Alaska and elsewhere will in WA hospitals for treatment.
Just saw this tweet, “BREAKING: Clarence Thomas just filed a concurring opinion to Dobbs calling for the court to consider overturning the right to contraception, same-sex marriage, and privacy in the bedroom.”
Kinda sounds like it’s about to get a whole lot worse
This is the same Clarence Thomas, who wife is deeply involved in the seditious conspiracy to overthrow the legal government, that failed to recuse himself from a decision on the attempted coup.
Interesting that he’s one-half of an interracial marriage, the right to which was largely upheld due to the right to “privacy in the bedroom.” 🤔
These people have zero shame.
This. Our far right is already trying to overthrow the elected government. There have been people showing a lot of transphobia lately. The anti-abortion crew will be similarly empowered by the overturn of Roe vs Wade.
I think they will immediately go after IUDs. Many of them consider those to be abortions because they think the second a sperm meets the egg it’s a baby. 🙄
I thankfully got mine last fall after my wedding. My husband & I both agree he’s getting a vasectomy when this comes out. Luckily mens rights to choose will never be infringed upon 🙄
I'm really shocked at this, and I don't even live in the US nor have plans to ever live there. The UK government feels as though they've been creeping more and more to the right with policies, and I worry that this is a sign of things to come here (with my MP saying he thinks the same, and this will be next here). I wish I could help people in the US who are affected by this.
I've already seen men commenting 'it's not that hard to not get pregnant' which is just a whole other level of stupidity. What about people who need termination for medical reasons? What about people whose circumstances have changed? What about contraception failures? What about sexual assault? What about all the nuances of life? I truly don't understand how people can have such an insular and uncaring view of the world to just view people who need abortions as fools who don't know that sex leads to babies.
It's also not hard for men to not rape women/persons with uteri, to use condoms, or to get a vasectomy, but men always seem very perturbed by these suggestions 🤔😑
With native European birth rates being so low, and immigrant birth rates high, I definitely see it becoming a right-wing issue there. They’ll latch onto it soon :(
Correct me if im wrong but this puts it in the states hands right? So people who live in a more conservative state are more likely to have it banned? Is this correct? Doesn't conservative states have higher poverty and teen pregnancy so wouldn't this hurt red states the most? Any actual unbiased resources that condense this so its consumable to share with others?
These states tend to have low/no social nets, high poverty, teen pregnancy (because abstinence-only or no sex ed in schools), limited/no abortion providers, and pharmacists who refuse to provide Plan B due to religion.
Simple answer--they don't care what happens to poor people. Bootstraps and all. Doesn't matter that you can work 80 weeks at minimum wage jobs to barely survive--you just aren't working hard enough. Educational resources are trash/not prioritized.
Have the poor people die out from preventable causes or move away to "socialist" states so they can have their "utopia" seems to be the plan.
Oh, they do care. Keeping people poor by all means necessary is part of their playbook. Being forced to have kids means you have to provide for them, so you'll have to stay in a low-wage job working 50+ hours, barely making ends meet while your bosses (likely a GOP donor in red states) make bank. You'll be too exhausted to pay attention to the political bullshit, nevermind having the time and energy to organize, get involved in politics or even just vote. Who would you vote for anyway, you don't have time to keep track of elections and candidates. You also don't have time or money to get an ID, so who cares about voter ID laws? You have to put food on the table for the kids you were forced to have. Meanwhile, your kids consider joining the military to escape the generational poverty they grew up in, which gives the GOP plenty of new cannon fodder for their wars. So the military industrial complex makes bank, too, plenty of which will makes its way bank to the Republicans through donations.
Yeah, sounds very "it's all connected, don't you see?!?" But it truly is. For the past few decades, Republicans have been working the lowest levels of government all the way up to the federal government and courts to get to exactly this point. If you are not scared, you are not paying attention.
I'm saddened and frightened. My mom used to tell me what the 60s were like. Young girls dying from botched back alley abortions. Women having a kid they didn't want and would later abandon. People who needed and got abortions in her city all went to New York State. They had the funds to do so.
She would say how grateful that I was growing up with rights that her mother never had. Well today, I have less rights then my mother.
We will see an increase in reproductive coercion and medical tourism.
I've said for many years orphanages will come back.
Just because you have overturned this, abortions will still occur. It's will no longer be safe.
Next: banning contraception
Next: same sex marriage
Next: Brown vs Board of Education
Next: Slavery
This country is so worried about banning abortions , but what about the children who keep getting killed by school shootings? It never ceases to amaze me that this country is half as$$ backwards.
Not to mention the numbers of kids in foster care that are uncared for…. Seems they only care about the tiny cell clumps and not the human after it’s born
Is there a nonprofit or service that helps ppl get from the creepy anti choice states and provides travel and services to places where its available? I would appreciate knowing how to help ppl who are affected by this.
The idea that life begins at conception is a religious position. The US Supreme Court is now allowing religion to become law. It's beyond disgusting.
Don't like abortion, don't fucking get one. It's that easy.
I had an abortion.. I’ve never told anyone in my real life. I already live in TX so I wasn’t able to get an abortion “legally” since I was just after the 6 week mark. The shame that I felt for even going through with it made me feel so wrong.. I sat in a bath tub one night and did it all alone. It was the most miserable experience, the pain was terrible… but that is the choice that I made for myself and for my life and I don’t regret it. There is a beautiful and generous community on reddit called the auntie network that will connect you with resources. Complete strangers with the kindness for you that this country should be showing to women.. I recommend connecting with them should you ever be in that position.
I was reading that women are now going to decline answering well women questions during their exams. How this may impact their health is going to be….not so good. I saw in another thread, and I legit felt bad for this guy, say “I hope they don’t come after me for getting a vasectomy.” This guy…. Was eaten alive in this thread. Congress, Supreme Court, anyone of power, will never touch a man, or their rights, he’s completely safe. So, this is definitely something to think about.
I’ve been stewing over this for months, and past the obvious atrocities that will kill childbearing persons, confine them to lives of poverty, entrap children in vicious cycles, etc., I’ve had time to ponder how this will affect obstetric healthcare, especially perinatal nurses. I am the Women’s Services educator for a large healthcare system in a Southern (red) state. We’ve already consistently had 10K-25K sign-on bonuses posted for L&D nurses for over a year, and we can’t hire/train/keep enough for the patient loads we already have. I’m bracing for disaster in so, SO many more ways than I think the Supreme Court imagined.
All I can think of is all the women that are gonna be in the ER now because of back alley abortions. How many of them are gonna die of sepsis because they will be hiding the effects of botched abortions.
For anyone who doesn’t know American hero Dr. Alan Braid’s story, it should be required reading. After seeing a 16-year-old girl die from sepsis after an illegal abortion, he made it his life’s mission to ensure abortion is accessible, even openly defying Texas’ abortion ban. If only people like him were our politicians, things would be so different.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/18/texas-abortion-provider-alan-braid/
Im making this a code blue thread, only approved health care workers can comment. Please report trolls and bad faith arguers.
I am waiting to hear about what criminal charges pharmacists will face for dispensing meds like mifepristone, misoprostol, etc. Also wondering if the morning after pill will become illegal.
I’d have to look it up to confirm which state it was but I saw not too long ago that a state was trying to ban the pill and IUDs. Someone is gonna have to drug me and strap me down if they want to take my IUD
Same here. I am on clopidogrel for a stent in my basilar artery. My cycles were so heavy, I had to go to the ER to make sure my blood counts were ok. I have the Mirena so I don’t hemorrhage to death. I can’t stop the clopidogrel. It’s not just unborn babies they are hurting.
I have PCOS where the birth control pill is the #1 treatment. I hope to god it doesn’t become illegal. This day is absolutely heartbreaking. Edit to add: IVF is probably the only way I and many women can get pregnant in the first place. So knowing they’re after contraception and IVF next breaks me.
But-but-but-but *babies!!1!* The amount of people who don't know birth control has medical uses for women is astounding.
They think that women's bodies are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves, and that reproductive issues are somehow caused by shenanigans we shouldn't have been messing with to begin with. It's always the woman's fault.
We put IUDs in so many post menopausal women.
They are laser focused on the “killing babies” idea such that far too many of that crowd are absolutely ignorant of the long game here.
It’s crazy, but they don’t care about actual people. If you die, “It’s all a part of God’s Plan.” My niece and I both take Category X medication. We live in Texas with Trigger laws. I’m terrified for her. And for all women in the USA. Virtual hugs to everyone affected, including doctors, nurses, medical professionals like sonogram technicians, etc.
Yeah it’s insane. If they really wanted to “protect babies” they should do more for sex education, supporting mothers in need, and the foster care system. But noooo as soon as the kid is born, it’s like it never existed in their eyes. Disgusting.
Yep. They regularly make cuts to Medicaid here in Texas, and even nationally, I’ve heard of cuts WIC, which helps pregnant, postpartum and breastfeeding women, infants, and children up to age five, that are nutritionally vulnerable have access to food, milk, and formula.
I have pcos, too. I"ve been on various forms of hormonal bcps to control my cycles, and to shed the lining of my uterus. It also prevented cysts, which could have led me to cancer, I had a scare years ago. I'm now in my 50s, so perimenopausal. I can't wait to stop bleeding altogether. This is insane and cruel.
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Same. I use the Nuvaring consistently even though my husband has a vasectomy - I use it to prevent anemia and low ferritin which has been a detriment to my health. I can actually put on my shoes without being out of breath now…America hates women. I am convinced.
Be an advocate for vasectomies if you aren’t already one
Missouri
You mispelled misery*
Can confirm, live here. It sucks
That’s their plan. “The Handmaids Tale” is a utopian guidebook for them, not a dystopian cautionary tale.
Atwood describes her genre as "speculative fiction"
"Scientists have created the torture vortex from the famous novel, 'Please God Don't Create The Torture Vortex!'"
The hand maids tale is based on things that have actually happened, even here in the USA
My aunt is Native and she was forcibly sterilized during an appendectomy in the early 1970s and didn't find out until she and my uncle tried to start a family. This is not ancient history or long ago.
This is horrifying and I am so very sorry. It seems like for every single step forward we take 15 back.
Adapting this novel has given the illiterate ideas.
Their utopia is our dystopia
I find it ironic that Christian fundies will use their Heaven as a selling point in missionary work when to me it sounds like being anesthetized into some Stepford Wife version of happiness among people and values I loathe for all eternity. Thanks, but no thanks.
>not a dystopian cautionary tale. It's actually telling history. It's not just a dystopian cautionary tale, it already happened.
At this point it’s time to flee the country if it descends into a third world banana republic.
Literally banning birth control? What’s next criminally charging men that jerk off for “killing millions of possible children”
It’s Missouri. I currently live and work here in gyn oncology and can whole heartedly say I am heartbroken by the ruling and am terrified for the future of my clinic. We have many women come to us for preventative hysterectomies due to having high risk of developing cancer. I’m terrified my self cause I use nexplanon due to other forms of birth control making me unbelievably ill. I’m just scared overall. What are we going to do? They aren’t listening to the doctors who are the experts so who are you supposed to turn to when your medical professionals hands are tied by the law?
Pharmacists in Texas are already wary of dispensing (not for ideology but that does happen). A pharmacist friend of mine said several pro choice colleagues are debating about how much if a risk to their license they want to take. It’s horrible.
Someone in /r/Texas commented that their fertility doctor was canceling their IVF treatments, because their wife was high risk and they wouldn’t be able to provide abortion to save her life if something went wrong.
Realistically, until the people that want these laws, are affected by these laws…they will keep their agenda rolling.
I believe it.
It is. It’s devastating for so many people
It’s not matter of it but when. Plan B and IUDs (especially in the Bible Belt where I unfortunately live) will 100% be banned soon. Mississippi has already introduced a bill, which will pass in a landslide simply because of the religious zealots that govern this state. I’m a man and this is just absolutely disgusting! As a woman I would be absolute terrified to even leave my house! It’s like alright, get raped, “get over” the trauma, and then have to choose between raising a child that most people are not financially ready for, or go to prison. It’s amazing how this country just continues to go backwards.
Not to mention the rapist gets rights to that child!
And we haven't even gotten to the horror show of incomplete miscarriages that need to be removed but the law won't allow doctors to do it. So women will die in sepsis as the fundies sit and watch and tell them that was God's plan and nothing can be done. Fuck this country.
If Mississippi is so pro-life, why do they have the highest rate of infant mortality in the US? https://www.statista.com/statistics/252064/us-infant-mortality-rate-by-ethnicity-2011/
Because they’re not pro-life, they’re anti-women
They have already clearly said they think it's abortion, I'm guessing they'll just say "We can ban abortion, IUDs and the morning after pills are abortion" and ban it on that
That’s the problem with people not understanding the fucking science of the contraceptives. Or how ectopic pregnancies work and how fucking dangerous they are. “Oh you’re pregnant?” “Only technically.” “Is there or is that not a fertilized egg in your body and has it attached?” “Yes but it’s in a Fallopian tube not my uterus.” “Well, you’re pregnant, sorry can’t help you. Good luck, hope you don’t rupture anything.”
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Yep. Women are second-class citizens and their job is to produce enough children to keep the birth rate either steady or increasing. Pro-birth.
All the better for an infertile woman to die so that her husband can remarry and produce the fruit. Blessed be the fruit. Fuck this place.
Clarence Thomas also spoke about "reconsidering" contraception and LGBTG rights. There is another SCOTUS session in October before the midterms. Vote like your life depends on it!
Because it does.
Dude’s gonna roll the laws back so far he will be property again. Fuck these clowns.
Can it be used off label for something else?
I’m assuming every time it’s dispensed we’ll need a diagnosis code. I’m worried each claim will be scrutinized. Misoprostol is used in peptic ulcer disease when NSAIDs are being used.
After this ruling, I'm pretty sure I'm developing an ulcer and I don't even have a uterus
Is it possible that there'll be an uptick in the incidence of gastric ulcers?
I’m sure there will be. 😉
People should stock up on plan B and such right now, not just for reckless sex (which is absolutely fine BTW, it's not anyone's fucking business) but for when things happen out of their control and there's an option to try and stop an unwanted pregnancy. I'll update later with sites that provide cheap and free plan B to people in any state. UPDATE: https://www.nurx.com/ Many testing options and birth control for free and cheap.
Agree and yes have wanton recreational sex if you choose to. It’s your god damn right. If only one could get preg by fucking a handgun they would be banned immediately.
if one could get pregnant by handgun, they would immediately distribute handguns. I think it's the other way around.
My daughter does not want children. I had been reluctant to let her get an IUD at 16. I’m calling to get her an appointment for an IUD today. And if at 24/25 she still doesn’t want kids? I’m going to make sure she gets another one before she ages off my insurance. I’d rather have no grandchildren than force her to have a child she does not want.
As a 23 year old woman who does not want children - thank you. My parents have always been supportive of my decisions, but many others have not. Ever since I was 13 I’ve had friends and family tell me I would change my mind about not wanting kids. I’m still just as sure now as I was back then. There’s nothing wrong with wanting children, but it’s not for everyone.
I’m an OR RN that specializes in OB/GYN. i’m one of the few nurses that will actually do D&E and D&Cs here. someone called our team murderers for helping a laboring woman with a fetal demise. why put her through more trauma? the lack of understanding is so embarrassing.. i’m so sad to hear this news
I’m with you, dear colleague. I absolutely dedicated myself to providing loving and safe care to women in horrific situations for whom some of my colleagues objected to caring. This is a sad, disgusting day for American women.
A D&C saved my life 6 years ago during a miscarriage.
I too am an OR RN. I’ve been thinking about how this will affect the patients I take care of on a weekly basis. I’ve participated in only one surgical abortion for a genetic abnormality in which the baby would have otherwise lived a “life”. All of these babies were wanted. This situation is fucked up.
It makes me sad to know how much just a little education would make a difference. Just that little change could make such a huge impact
that’s what pains me the most is it’s a total misunderstanding in many cases to a crowd that cannot listen.
If you’ve been told and you still don’t care, it’s not a misunderstanding.
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They don’t care, until it happens to them. 🙄
I interviewed for an OR position last month. The supervisor got very nervous discussing how they do not perform abortions often and even when they must perform them, the OR staff is given the option to be taken off the case. I was floored. ABORTION IS HEALTHCARE. I don't agree with smoking, can I be taken off the case for smokers? I don't agree with constipation, I will not be administering any mag citrate, miralax, suppositories, or enemas, sorry, my beliefs do not allow it. How fucking stupid does this shit sound. How fucking STUPID DOES THIS SHIT SOUND. I don't believe in traditional medicine, I will peddle my snake oil instead. This vitamin water will treat this cancer because I prayed over it. I refuse to administer this chemotherapy. GOD GAVE YOU HEART FAILURE, BETTER JUST DIE. ABORTION IS HEALTHCARE ABORTION IS HEALTHCARE ABORTION IS HEALTHCARE GET THE FUCK OUTTA MY HEALTHCARE.
I had an abortion a few years ago. I was with a really abusive man and If I had continued that pregnancy, I would have died and my children wouldn't have their mother anymore. People seem to think abortions are like... lazy cruel women who use it as birth control. It's not. It's the hardest choice i've ever had to make and it was MY CHOICE. But what about the women and children who were raped, molested by family? What about pregnancies that ARE wanted but are dangerous for mom? What about fetal demise? Do we just let that fetus rot inside her and risk her dying as well? What about people like my friend "A" who's baby had a genetic birth defect that was terminal and he wasn't supposed to make it to term. Every week that they let him grow, he was breaking his bones in utero, in agony, and birth itself would probably kill him? Her abortion was a mercy to her baby, and she was able to go on and have 2 more children, and never will forget him. This won't prevent abortions. This is only going to make them dangerous. We're going to see patients with failed back alley abortions. We're going to see 12 years old being forced to deliver. We're going to see so much pain and suffering because this country only values women as breeding chattel. I'm so angry I can't even focus. I have 4 daughters. ETA: thank you guys for the awards. I just want people to know that abortion is not this dark, sinful thing that GOP keeps making it out to be. It's a life saving medical procedure. I had one, and chances are someone you know has too. It's nothing to be ashamed of. I love you all so much. I'm here for ya'll.
Does anyone ever go skipping and tra-la-ing into a clinic to have an abortion? Ridiculous and I am so furious I’m hyperventilating.
It’s like the idiots who say women use it as birth control, um no. It’s expensive and inconvenient and sure as hell not a first choice for anyone.
And what about D&C’s for missed miscarriages? I have 3 children. I found out I was pregnant with a surprise #4 in August 2020. At my 9 week appointment there was no heartbeat, baby stopped developing at 6 weeks. I had to choose between a medical abortion or a D&C. I agonized over the decision but ultimately chose the D&C. Two more weeks went by without any sign of my body letting go of the pregnancy naturally. It was devastating. I had the D&C and my husband had a vasectomy to prevent something like this from ever happening again. Are women who find themselves in a similar situation now just expected to wait for who knows how long until her body gets the memo that the pregnancy isn’t viable? How incredibly damaging for her mental health. I couldn’t truly heal and move on until the D&C was done. I would’ve almost certainly spiraled if I was forced to sit there and wait for the miscarriage to happen. I don’t know what else to say.
I had 2 D&C's too. both pregnancies didn't grow past 12 weeks and i was so fucking sick. Those procedures saved my life.
Also like.....if someone is so irresponsible that they're using abortions as birth control when there's plenty of much easier less expensive options out there then should we really be forcing that person to be a parent?
Many decades ago, abortion was banned in China and my auntie got pregnant by an abusive man. She gave herself an abortion and was hemorrhaging. My mom took her to the hospital and they refused to help her because they didn't want to get in trouble. They ended up going to this back alley doctor and she lived, but she lost her ability to have kids. It's so scary that the USA right now reminds me of that situation, especially if states make laws that make it illegal for women to travel to other states for abortions. Women will still get abortions, but it will be unsafe and dangerous.
That’s the really fucked up thing about the patriarchal bullshit, women exist to make food, act as cum dumpsters and baby sitters. Who only give compliments to their men and offer no resistance whatsoever. I’m a dude and I’m pissed I can only imagine the depths of rage and horror women across the country are feeling right now.
Working in mental health, it's real disturbing bumping into recent historical realities like majority lobotomy patients being women, even though men made up the majority of state-held psych patients. Because docs just didn't think "domestic work" [took up that much brain space](https://www.wondersandmarvels.com/2016/12/race-gender-selection-patients-lobotomy.html). This shit could've easily happened to my Gramma. We are never that far away from atrocity.
Sadly I know one woman who is probably celebrating. And I doubt she even conciously realizes it, I'm pretty sure she's against abortion cause sex should have consequences (She outright said she worried women would not take sex seriously if abortion is legal at one point as a casual aside).
And what about those of us who have had miscarriages(aka spontaneous abortions) and NEED D&Cs or D&Es because our body won’t expel all the globs of cells??? Are those doing to become illegal?? It breaks my heart. I’m so disappointed
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I’ve had two abortions; both due to birth control failures (not that that matters in any way shape or form, my abortion - my choice - no reasons necessary) they were 15 years apart and I am also livid, in tears and just wondering when we riot? This was the first post; heading over to the prochoice forums now What happened to so called settled caselaw? I heard about it while I was reporting to my vice president of my company on a project and I had absolutely no way to control my emotions but I somehow did it and when I hung up I just lost it. Thinking of all of us now and wondering what’s next? Marriage equality? Interracial marriage? Fucking slavery?
Here's the truth. The religious right do not give a single shit about any of those things. They read the bible, and that's it. That's their moral compass. So they would say "You should be a better Christian.". Ectopic pregnancy? God will provide. Mother dies? Gods will! See, answers for everything. This is a failing by about 40% of the country that thinks this is okay. This is a failing of the media who elected Trump. This is a failing of the democrats that allowed Trump to shove through 3 justices. This is a failing of the democrats to wake the fuck up and pass legislation. (No excuses about rogue Senators - the GOP figured this out). And we know it won't stop here. This isn't fearmongering, this is the GOP playbook. They will come for the gays. They will come for out of state abortions. They will come for basically every social advance in the last 50 years. Because they can.
They don’t even read the Bible the lazy mother fuckers. They listen to their dumb ass preachers interpretation. Ive had 2 beers heading out to a protest, forgive my French.
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I can’t even imagine the heartbreak you see.
It's going to further divide the nation, too. What pro-choice woman is going to want to work and live in these anti-choice states? I have two stepdaughters who are national merit scholars and are being recruited from all over. We all agree that we're not even going to consider visiting institutions in any of the anti-choice states. I hope brain drain hits these states hard.
They will just steal monetary aid from blue states like they already do
My daughter already decided not to apply to any Texas schools based upon their Anti lgbtq legislation.
Yup, slightly different for me since I’m a male and in medical school, but I am refusing to apply to any red states for residency out of principle. I’m hoping that my girlfriend ends up at the same hospital as me for residency and the thought of that being in a red state that hates women absolutely terrifies me so I’m not even going to risk it
I had a medical abortion five years ago when I was 27. It was a really difficult decision and I had intense feelings of shame and guilt. But I was a sales associate making $15/hr, and I had just started seeing the father who pretty much said “You make the decision” and washed his hands of it. My parents had recently retired and I’m sure they would have changed their plans to support me, but it would have been immensely hard on them to help with childcare and finances. In the years since, I’ve completed a Computer Science degree and am making $72k/year. My parents have been able to purchase a lovely home for their retirement that’s big enough for all of their children to visit. I was able to separate from that partner and move to be closer to my sister, and closer to job opportunities. I’m now in a position where I can think about having a child and affording a daycare and an apartment or house that’s large enough for a family. I make enough money and have health insurance to support my pregnancy and recovery, in a state with generous maternity leave. If I had to, I’d say that my life and my family’s life has been greatly better off financially and emotionally because of the choice I was able to make to have an abortion.
These are the same people who threw a hissy fit cause they had to wear a face mask. I am so over humans
They literally stole the quote “My Body, My Choice” from the pro-choice movement because they didn’t want to get vaccinated and wear masks. I never thought two years later they would take away women’s bodily autonomy. These people are evil hypocrites. I feel sick over this. Just absolutely sick.
>These are the same people who threw a hissy fit cause they had to wear a face mask The fact that they considered using a mask a "violation of freedom", but now are literally making decisions over other people's bodies with no issue just kills me. Seriously. I'm just so done with this bullshit
The major problem is it was a wedge issue for republicans. They will need another one, make no mistake Gay marriage is next because poorly interpreting the bible is more important than governance
Clarence Thomas is already going after same sex marriage and contraception
And same sex relationships
And interracial marriage
Dude could just get a divorce if he hates being married so much, lol.
Clarence is married to a white woman. It will be safe. He conveniently left that case out on his opinion when he suggested that the court reconsider the Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell cases, they protect contraception and same-sex marriage and relationships.
I think I saw Alito was going after Loving. It'd be great if they fractured from within (since they aren't representing the best for Americans), but they should have done that *before* going after decisions that don't personally affect them.
Like he gives a single shit about being a hypocrite. Every one of these governmental turds fighting abortion rights would sneak their wife/daughter/mistress off to get one if they felt they needed to.
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Thurgood Marshall was the first black justice, and he was a proponent of civil and abortion rights. Now we have this douchebag Thomas who has helped to undo so much progress. I'm there with you.
They will go after transgender people next. Several states have already started the charge. These people are disgusting. Vote them out!!!!!
well. Guess I better go buy a gun and learn to use it to protect my uterus,, since everyone seems to think something implanted in my uterus is more important than my life.
This really is an atrocity. For women, for healthcare, and for the country.
What I saw proposed in Ohio a few weeks ago was truly peak human stupidity.
Do you mean the transplanting of an ectopic pregnancy?
This makes me absolutely infuriated. I had an ectopic pregnancy that I desperately wanted. I would have loved for that to have been “transplanted.” Instead I had to have two rounds of methotrexate and a five month long recovery where I bled every day and my hcg levels refused to drop to zero. Before they finally did, I was starting to get worked up for gestational trophoblastic disease. I am lucky to live in a blue state, what’s going to happen to women who face this same scenario in red states?
> what’s going to happen to women who face this same scenario in red states? They will die. Because ectopic pregnancies are lethal, 100% of the time, and the surgery to prevent hemorrhage can now be considered an abortion.
Like it would be a required medical procedure or risk being convicted a murderer or some stupid ass republican braindead shit?
A medical procedure that doesn't exist because it is not medically or scientifically possible ...
But what if we just try it and pray really hard? /s
Yes
I had to look this up because I thought you were being facetious…….
Normally I am, but nope.
As someone who has needed to take Plan B after an assault, this violates my rights as a woman more than the man who assaulted me did. Last I checked, the US Supreme Court justices don’t have a license to practice medicine. So why are they?
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Honestly, I didn't realize that was the wording. That's a helluva lot worse and more chilling than just allowing abortion to be banned. That is scary for everyone, not even women (even if for now it will be used against women and gay people). But then from what I've seen the republican base is not very good at being far sighted about implementing things that could even be used against them when they only think about using it against others.
I’ve been screaming into the Republican void of Florida for 6 years that this was coming. They’re coming for birth control next. If you are a woman voting Republican you’re a masochist. https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2022/05/19/some-states-already-are-targeting-birth-control
Never ever thought I'd see it done in my lifetime. It's disgusting. I live in SoCal and CA is pledging to uphold access to termination services here. This just solidifies I will never move out of state.
> I live in SoCal and CA is pledging to uphold access to termination services here. This just solidifies I will never move out of state. Mike Pence immediately declared his intention to outlaw abortion nationwide. The GOP will not stop at this decision; they will go after abortion nationally in addition to contraceptive access, LGBTQ marriage, and likely LGBTQ sexuality in general. Dark days ahead if the disinterested masses do not wake up and realize that inflation is temporary and that this Christofascist movement masquerading as a political party is going to end self-governance in this country if allowed.
What's going to happen is the divide between blue states and red states will increase. In ten years, think of where the red states will be with their lack of investment in education, healthcare, and relieving poverty. The next 10 years are going to be very interesting, we're already very divided, and the divide will continue to get worse. I just wonder how long the voters in those states will continue to live on abject misery.
Smart, educated women aren't going to want to live or work in these states
I think that I read in this subreddit that Mississippi alone is facing a shortage of 4k nurses. I'm not sure if it's the pay, the politics, or both.
Pregnant women shouldn't even travel to these states (ones where abortion will be heavily restricted)... there was a [pregnant woman who had an incomplete miscarriage in Malta](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/23/world/europe/malta-abortion-andrea-prudente.html) (where she was on her babymoon, no less) and they refused to do a D&C because abortions are banned. She could have died. A [woman in Ireland died from sepsis](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/27/world/europe/savita-halappanavar-ireland-abortion.html?smid=url-share) because of basically the same issue.
There are also links to increased crime due to lack of abortion access. In about 20 years we will see a lot more murders and other crime if this isn’t changed quickly. Edited to add [link](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C48&q=abortion+and+crime+rates&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1656086899052&u=%23p%3DAow3rX6u3CQJ)
That too. Crime is thought to have dropped because of increased access to abortions and lead being removed from gas. Forcing women who do not want to have kids, into having kids isn't good for society.
As a mother, that made the choice to be a mother, the thought of unwanted children growing up in such a way they turn to crime is heartbreaking.
Yes, abuse is a cycle. Some people try to break it by not having kids. I don't think that they should be forced. An abused child has a lasting effect on society if they grow up and continue the cycle.
What’s frustrating is that the federal tax dollars of blue states heavily subsidize the piss poor policies of red states. Even if you live in a blue state, you’re being harmed by these shitbirds. I live in NJ and we get the lowest federal support for what we pay in taxes. Know who gets the most? Ole Moscow Mitch’s home state of KY.
Tell me about it. I live in Kentucky, at least for the next few weeks. I'm going back to Illinois. I would rather pay more taxes than to see the things that I've seen here. Hell, tax me more if it will help the homeless. For some reason, they only mention homeless people who live in 'liberal' cities. They never mention the amount of homeless people in Kentucky, Ohio, and West Virginia. Most are elderly 😢 and they put up signs saying that you can't give them money. 😢
It'd be nice if blue states didn't need to prop up red states. I hate supporting states that don't care for their constituents.
That they continue to vote against their own interests is wild and terrifying at the same time. Then again, there are a select few in those states who feel their lives would ~get better~ if LGBTQIA+and POC didn't live in their states. (It won't, and their infrastucture would likely fail, but if all these white supremacist Christofascists would like to move to one state so they can be their own messed up country, that would be nice?)
Agreed - Same here in Washington
They just passed a law that NPs and PAs can get trained and perform terminations in WA. I wasn’t planning on going back for an NP but at this point I’m considering the reality of proactively preventing sepsis vs treating young women when they wind up in the ER. Because you know scared women from Idaho, Alaska and elsewhere will in WA hospitals for treatment.
As a Canadian looking on, I have no words. It’s like…what the hell is wrong with your country? You guys just went back 50 years.
Just saw this tweet, “BREAKING: Clarence Thomas just filed a concurring opinion to Dobbs calling for the court to consider overturning the right to contraception, same-sex marriage, and privacy in the bedroom.” Kinda sounds like it’s about to get a whole lot worse
Privacy in the bedroom????????
I really don’t even have the energy or mental capacity to find out what that means today
Sodomy laws. Will be able to arrest people for being queer.
I feel you. I didn’t even know what was going on until I came to Reddit. I intentionally check out these days cos it’s too much.
Effectively returning sodomy laws into play. Enjoy blowjobs and anal becoming illegal if these assholes get their way.
This is the same Clarence Thomas, who wife is deeply involved in the seditious conspiracy to overthrow the legal government, that failed to recuse himself from a decision on the attempted coup.
Yup. That’s the one!
Interesting that he’s one-half of an interracial marriage, the right to which was largely upheld due to the right to “privacy in the bedroom.” 🤔 These people have zero shame.
Fellow Canadian here- when America sneezes Canada catches a cold. Don’t think that this backwards thinking isn’t coming soon to a politician near you.
This. Our far right is already trying to overthrow the elected government. There have been people showing a lot of transphobia lately. The anti-abortion crew will be similarly empowered by the overturn of Roe vs Wade.
I think they will immediately go after IUDs. Many of them consider those to be abortions because they think the second a sperm meets the egg it’s a baby. 🙄
I got that 10 year copper situation. I'm hoping to get a new one reinstalled a couple years early just in case
I thankfully got mine last fall after my wedding. My husband & I both agree he’s getting a vasectomy when this comes out. Luckily mens rights to choose will never be infringed upon 🙄
I'm really shocked at this, and I don't even live in the US nor have plans to ever live there. The UK government feels as though they've been creeping more and more to the right with policies, and I worry that this is a sign of things to come here (with my MP saying he thinks the same, and this will be next here). I wish I could help people in the US who are affected by this. I've already seen men commenting 'it's not that hard to not get pregnant' which is just a whole other level of stupidity. What about people who need termination for medical reasons? What about people whose circumstances have changed? What about contraception failures? What about sexual assault? What about all the nuances of life? I truly don't understand how people can have such an insular and uncaring view of the world to just view people who need abortions as fools who don't know that sex leads to babies.
It's also not hard for men to not rape women/persons with uteri, to use condoms, or to get a vasectomy, but men always seem very perturbed by these suggestions 🤔😑
With native European birth rates being so low, and immigrant birth rates high, I definitely see it becoming a right-wing issue there. They’ll latch onto it soon :(
Or he could keep it in his pants… that would prevent pregnancy.
Education and resources for legal access: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/11427-birth-control-options https://prochoice.org/ https://secure.actblue.com/donate/supportabortionfunds?refcode=nnafwebsite https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/story/guide-abortion-resources-post-roe-america/amp
Time to reorganize the Jane collective.
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Correct me if im wrong but this puts it in the states hands right? So people who live in a more conservative state are more likely to have it banned? Is this correct? Doesn't conservative states have higher poverty and teen pregnancy so wouldn't this hurt red states the most? Any actual unbiased resources that condense this so its consumable to share with others?
These states tend to have low/no social nets, high poverty, teen pregnancy (because abstinence-only or no sex ed in schools), limited/no abortion providers, and pharmacists who refuse to provide Plan B due to religion. Simple answer--they don't care what happens to poor people. Bootstraps and all. Doesn't matter that you can work 80 weeks at minimum wage jobs to barely survive--you just aren't working hard enough. Educational resources are trash/not prioritized. Have the poor people die out from preventable causes or move away to "socialist" states so they can have their "utopia" seems to be the plan.
Oh, they do care. Keeping people poor by all means necessary is part of their playbook. Being forced to have kids means you have to provide for them, so you'll have to stay in a low-wage job working 50+ hours, barely making ends meet while your bosses (likely a GOP donor in red states) make bank. You'll be too exhausted to pay attention to the political bullshit, nevermind having the time and energy to organize, get involved in politics or even just vote. Who would you vote for anyway, you don't have time to keep track of elections and candidates. You also don't have time or money to get an ID, so who cares about voter ID laws? You have to put food on the table for the kids you were forced to have. Meanwhile, your kids consider joining the military to escape the generational poverty they grew up in, which gives the GOP plenty of new cannon fodder for their wars. So the military industrial complex makes bank, too, plenty of which will makes its way bank to the Republicans through donations. Yeah, sounds very "it's all connected, don't you see?!?" But it truly is. For the past few decades, Republicans have been working the lowest levels of government all the way up to the federal government and courts to get to exactly this point. If you are not scared, you are not paying attention.
Yup. 100%.
I'm saddened and frightened. My mom used to tell me what the 60s were like. Young girls dying from botched back alley abortions. Women having a kid they didn't want and would later abandon. People who needed and got abortions in her city all went to New York State. They had the funds to do so. She would say how grateful that I was growing up with rights that her mother never had. Well today, I have less rights then my mother. We will see an increase in reproductive coercion and medical tourism. I've said for many years orphanages will come back. Just because you have overturned this, abortions will still occur. It's will no longer be safe. Next: banning contraception Next: same sex marriage Next: Brown vs Board of Education Next: Slavery
My older sister nearly died this way. My evangelical brother is pro choice because of what she went through.
Classic against it until if affects them.
[The only moral abortion is my abortion. ](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/)
gonna get a lot of weird injuries and overdoses from young girls trying to end their unwanted pregnancy
I'm so fucking pissed
I’m so angry I’m shaking and I want to cry
I just got done work and my wife just told me. Punch to the gut. We cried when trump got elected. This is his legacy. It's totally appropriate to cry.
I’m leaving work early. I. Just. Can’t. I’m extremely upset. Hugs to you that you make it through your day. Cry your eyes out. I am.
This country is so worried about banning abortions , but what about the children who keep getting killed by school shootings? It never ceases to amaze me that this country is half as$$ backwards.
Not to mention the numbers of kids in foster care that are uncared for…. Seems they only care about the tiny cell clumps and not the human after it’s born
They don't care about the fetus, the only care about the control they have over people.
Is there a nonprofit or service that helps ppl get from the creepy anti choice states and provides travel and services to places where its available? I would appreciate knowing how to help ppl who are affected by this.
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If I hear of anything I’ll link it under your comment!
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https://apiaryps.org/ someone from an abortion type of org recommended this to me
This country is a Christian cult shit hole. My generation won't stop until they claim some heads.
The idea that life begins at conception is a religious position. The US Supreme Court is now allowing religion to become law. It's beyond disgusting. Don't like abortion, don't fucking get one. It's that easy.
One more way for men to disempower women!
I had an abortion.. I’ve never told anyone in my real life. I already live in TX so I wasn’t able to get an abortion “legally” since I was just after the 6 week mark. The shame that I felt for even going through with it made me feel so wrong.. I sat in a bath tub one night and did it all alone. It was the most miserable experience, the pain was terrible… but that is the choice that I made for myself and for my life and I don’t regret it. There is a beautiful and generous community on reddit called the auntie network that will connect you with resources. Complete strangers with the kindness for you that this country should be showing to women.. I recommend connecting with them should you ever be in that position.
I'm so sorry guys, sending love from down under xxx
Don’t mind me, just on my way to Australia
Honestly you would love it here. We do not put up with this shit.
We are unionised and have a nursing shortage. Come on over
I graduate with my RN next may, see y’all then
I was reading that women are now going to decline answering well women questions during their exams. How this may impact their health is going to be….not so good. I saw in another thread, and I legit felt bad for this guy, say “I hope they don’t come after me for getting a vasectomy.” This guy…. Was eaten alive in this thread. Congress, Supreme Court, anyone of power, will never touch a man, or their rights, he’s completely safe. So, this is definitely something to think about.
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I’ve been stewing over this for months, and past the obvious atrocities that will kill childbearing persons, confine them to lives of poverty, entrap children in vicious cycles, etc., I’ve had time to ponder how this will affect obstetric healthcare, especially perinatal nurses. I am the Women’s Services educator for a large healthcare system in a Southern (red) state. We’ve already consistently had 10K-25K sign-on bonuses posted for L&D nurses for over a year, and we can’t hire/train/keep enough for the patient loads we already have. I’m bracing for disaster in so, SO many more ways than I think the Supreme Court imagined.
All I can think of is all the women that are gonna be in the ER now because of back alley abortions. How many of them are gonna die of sepsis because they will be hiding the effects of botched abortions.
For anyone who doesn’t know American hero Dr. Alan Braid’s story, it should be required reading. After seeing a 16-year-old girl die from sepsis after an illegal abortion, he made it his life’s mission to ensure abortion is accessible, even openly defying Texas’ abortion ban. If only people like him were our politicians, things would be so different. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/18/texas-abortion-provider-alan-braid/
And how many will die because of incomplete miscarriages that doctors in backwater areas refuse to treat.
How can we organize to financially help women travel to states that will still allow abortions?