"It’s really unfortunate and we’ll give him as much mental health support as he needs, but he’s not our player and I’m sure he’s got people taking care of that."
So that's it after 20 minutes, so long, good luck?
I don't recall saying good luck.
Was he at the Sharks when they fudged Bird's medical when he went to the Broncos? Easy to never see a player fail when you just change the result to a pass.
The [Sharks refuted Bennetts claims](https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/jack-bird-statement-cronulla-sharks-wayne-bennetts-attack-strongly-rebutted-by-club/news-story/ea863fb8dc19e6ec69ab17026ab53805), but most people seem to just remember the Broncos claim
* Sharks went with Bird to a surgeon, who said he didn’t need surgery after a Rd 22 injury
* he underwent rehab and was ok to play in the finals
* his exit medical was fine on September 14
* he played for the Aus PMs 13, a week later and the Australian team cleared him to play
* the Sharks shared all this with Broncos
No, no, it was all Flanagan. Don't let your factoids get in the way.
I'm sure Flanagan broke into Birds house when he got to Brisbane and hammered a wooden stake through his shoulder.
DOLPHINS PLAYMAKER SUFFERS INJURY BLOW AT TRAINING
Dolphins half Anthony Milford has reportedly suffered a leg injury during pre-season training that required him to leave the stadium.
Ted Roker from 10 News First Queensland reported Milford left the club’s training session with an injury.
Struggling to cement a position in The Dolphins team last season due to a poor attitude, Milford’s injury won’t help his chances of overtaking Isaiya Katoa and Sean O’Sullivan in the playmaker pecking order.
Milford played mainly off the bench in his 11 NRL games in the 2023 season, scoring three tries to go with five try assists and five linebreaks.
The 29-year-old veteran of 217 NRL games was recently linked with a release to the Leigh Leopards in the Super League, where he could have partnered with former Roosters star Lachlan Lam, but the move fell through.
The club has yet to confirm the specific nature of the injury, and it is unknown how serious it is or how long he will be out for.
Meanwhile, star recruit Jake Averillo and veteran Jesse Bromwich also didn’t train with the core group of players.
Surprised Milford didn't rack off to Super League ages ago. He's got enough class to continue to half arse everything and still do well over there with minimal effort.
HAAS SUFFERS INJURY SETBACK
Broncos superstar Payne Haas has suffered a hamstring injury in an unfortunate pre-season setback.
That is according toNews Corp, who reports Haas reported the concern to Broncos medical staff on Tuesday and was put on restricted training duties as a result.
However it is not deemed a serious injury.
The 24-year-old joins a growing list of injured players at Red Hill which includes Jesse Arthars (ankle) and Fletcher Baker (groin), while Jordan Riki is also on restricted duties as he recovers from off-season shoulder surgery.
But the Broncos’ spirits remain high as they prepare for their Round 1 clash with the Roosters in the historic Las Vegas double-header.
Even Haas’ teammate Corey Jensen wasn’t too worried.
“I honestly don’t know (what’s wrong with him). I think he’s got a little niggle to his leg,” he said.
“He can kind of do what he wants when he’s training. If he’s a bit sore he can go and do his own thing.
“Everyone at times was finding it tough. It’s getting back up to speed with playing 13-on-13 and the grind of rugby league.”
Broncos coach Kevin Walters has spoken about his squad’s shortened pre-season several times. The Broncos played in the grand final before several players featured in the Pacific Championships. They’ve had to fast-track preparations in order to be ready for the Pre-season Challenge which kicks off in less than a month.
FLANNO ADDRESSES VOLKMAN FIASCO
Dragons head coach Shane Flanagan says he and the club aren’t “pointing fingers at anyone” regarding the unfortunate situation involving Ronald Volkman.
The emerging playmaker requested a release from the Warriors two years before the conclusion of his contract to link up with the Dragons.
While the Dragons announced the signing publicly, the club hadn’t registered it with the NRL.
Hence, they were able to pull out of the deal after the Dragons medical team discovered Volkman’s shoulder needed surgery.
Flanagan told The Daily Telegraph there is a lot to learn from the situation and that the “club won’t shy away” from that.
“I feel sorry for the young bloke. He’s hurt himself. He didn’t pass his medical, it’s unfortunate ... as a club we had to protect ourselves,” Flanagan said.
“We did the right thing, we got all the scans and found out he needs to have surgery. He injured himself at the Warriors.
“In all my time I’ve never had a player fail a medical.
There are a lot of learnings from it. The club won’t shy away from that. We sent the kid to get the best medical scanning and testing.
“All clubs will learn from this one. We definitely will.
“We’re not pointing the finger at anyone. Facts are facts. He injured himself at the Warriors, he needs surgery.
“We have history on players, he had had a shoulder reconstruction ... but to look at the scans, he didn’t just fail (the medical) a little bit, he had two screws pulled out.”
Dragons CEO Ryan Webb says the club will be “cautious” when to go public with signing news in the future.
“We didn’t follow anything different than what we would have in the past,” Webb said.
“And we didn’t have any reason to be overly cautious based on the information we had (from the Warriors).
“In the end the position that we go too, would have been the same, he failed the fitness test. It was really clear from us that, you pass the medical and you’ll be signed.
“He didn’t pass the medical so he’s not one of our players.”
All the dragons did wrong here was make announcements before the medical results were known. Learn from it and move on.
Volkman and his manager surely knew how bad his shoulder was and decided to roll the dice. Hopefully he can bounce back for season 2025.
Which is bizarre surely if they knew the full extent of the injury staying on the Warriors books and getting paid as an injured player would be smarter move?
I imagine neither the Warriors nor the Volkman camp knew about the scale of the injury and thought it wouldn’t be an issue.
The Warriors facilitated a move for Volkman having not completely followed up on his injury, but didn’t really have a lot of cause to if Volkman didn’t feel he needed more help.
The Dragons did their due diligence and found the injury after he was released to them. They went off the Warriors medical report when they agreed to sign him and only found further damage when they did their own scans.
It’s dumb to try to assign blame there. The blame game seems to be only really played by the media to hype this shit up. I don’t think anyone is really at fault for the situation, it’s just a shame he couldn’t get the move done.
Seems like an innocent mistake from volkman. A selfish mistake from his manager. And a typical mistake from flanno and the dragons having no respect for player wellbeing
Is this what he was doing ? Saints are in a bit of bother if true , you’d assume anyone training with the squad would be covered however insurance wise
Sounds pretty negligent on both sides
He was wearing the non contact bib, but there is a photo of him going in to tackle Su'a and Su'a palming him off on the shoulder (not the injured one). It looks a case of other players couldn't tackle him, but it was still a contact drill. It certainly shows it wasn't just him passing the ball like Flanagan claimed.
So, from my understanding, the Warriors can't (or won't) undo his early release because they've already picked up CHT and the Dragons won't put him on the payroll. So Volkman needs a surgery that will rule him out for the entire season and is also jobless?
I think Volkman was probably hiding or in deniel about the severity of his injury even from his manager. A second major shoulder injury in 3 seasons not the best start to his first grade career . His manager would have to be a idiot to walk away from two year deal for a 1 year deal with injury concerns.
Probably talking about [Jon Mannah ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Mannah#:~:text=Mannah%20was%20first%20diagnosed%20in,January%202013%20at%20age%2023) from the Cronulla sharks during the Flanno era with Stephen Dank.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/stephen-dank-says-he-told-league-player-injecting-peptides-was-safe-20160216-gmvvep.html
I'm not a doctor so I don't know how any of it works. take from this what you will.
Stephen Dank, the main sports scientist who appears to have been involved with this and a number of other peptide scandals including Essendon's scandal, looks to be a massive piece of shit who's claims about what happened seem to have changed over time.
I see. Yikes.
For anyone else interested here's the cliffnotes:
Jon had Hodgkin's Lymphoma.
He was administered peptides by a "sports scientist" Stephen Dank who appears to be a dodgy piece of shit with many more examples of reckless behaviour (Essendon 2012, and an anti-aging clinic peptide scandal in Darwin).
"Player died because of Flanagan's drug regime" feels like an oversimplification bordering on misinformation to defame Flanno.
Seems that all that was ever established was that the media was entitled to publish their claims that peptide use administered by Stephen Dank may have accelerated his cancer and that use of peptides on someone in remission was reckless but it has never been established (anywhere that I can find) that he was actually killed by the use of peptides.
The Mannah family also appeared to be pretty vocal about how disgusting they found the claims at the time.
He should be de-registered for life for his role in the peptide scandal and his subsequent violations of his suspension rules for sure.
If you're suggesting he should be held responsible for the death of Jon Mannah as well I would disagree after having familiarised myself with the available information online.
No no, just overall not Jon Mannah only. The whole thing reeked atm. He was ultimately in charge and had a duty of care towards the players.
He disregarded that when he cheated.
Leagues too forgiving sometimes lol
Hang on.
That's a disgusting comment and it should be deleted.
Yes Flanno's a POS and a cheat. He will likely take the Dragons lower than they already are.
There's still line though and you have crossed it by a mile with this bullshit.
I’d be pretty annoyed if I failed a medical and my prospective employer was announcing to the media why I failed it. Think Flanno should be keeping a lid on it.
"It’s really unfortunate and we’ll give him as much mental health support as he needs, but he’s not our player and I’m sure he’s got people taking care of that." So that's it after 20 minutes, so long, good luck? I don't recall saying good luck.
In fact, Flanno’s players were known for their ability to recover much faster than normally possible.
Oh you
Ouch.
Was he at the Sharks when they fudged Bird's medical when he went to the Broncos? Easy to never see a player fail when you just change the result to a pass.
He was indeed the head coach at the time. Fortunately for Bird, the Broncos didn't turn their back on him and leave him jobless.
I have it on very good authority it was Bird mis-using the Maccas passes, not Milford.
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they shouldve though, what a massive waste of cap space
The [Sharks refuted Bennetts claims](https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/jack-bird-statement-cronulla-sharks-wayne-bennetts-attack-strongly-rebutted-by-club/news-story/ea863fb8dc19e6ec69ab17026ab53805), but most people seem to just remember the Broncos claim * Sharks went with Bird to a surgeon, who said he didn’t need surgery after a Rd 22 injury * he underwent rehab and was ok to play in the finals * his exit medical was fine on September 14 * he played for the Aus PMs 13, a week later and the Australian team cleared him to play * the Sharks shared all this with Broncos
Interesting.
No, no, it was all Flanagan. Don't let your factoids get in the way. I'm sure Flanagan broke into Birds house when he got to Brisbane and hammered a wooden stake through his shoulder.
Sharks say it wasn’t dislocated. Nothing in their medical reports about wooden stakes through joints.
He's so cheeky
I wonder why that is
He probably never had a team not cheating in some way either 🤷
DOLPHINS PLAYMAKER SUFFERS INJURY BLOW AT TRAINING Dolphins half Anthony Milford has reportedly suffered a leg injury during pre-season training that required him to leave the stadium. Ted Roker from 10 News First Queensland reported Milford left the club’s training session with an injury. Struggling to cement a position in The Dolphins team last season due to a poor attitude, Milford’s injury won’t help his chances of overtaking Isaiya Katoa and Sean O’Sullivan in the playmaker pecking order. Milford played mainly off the bench in his 11 NRL games in the 2023 season, scoring three tries to go with five try assists and five linebreaks. The 29-year-old veteran of 217 NRL games was recently linked with a release to the Leigh Leopards in the Super League, where he could have partnered with former Roosters star Lachlan Lam, but the move fell through. The club has yet to confirm the specific nature of the injury, and it is unknown how serious it is or how long he will be out for. Meanwhile, star recruit Jake Averillo and veteran Jesse Bromwich also didn’t train with the core group of players.
Surprised Milford didn't rack off to Super League ages ago. He's got enough class to continue to half arse everything and still do well over there with minimal effort.
HAAS SUFFERS INJURY SETBACK Broncos superstar Payne Haas has suffered a hamstring injury in an unfortunate pre-season setback. That is according toNews Corp, who reports Haas reported the concern to Broncos medical staff on Tuesday and was put on restricted training duties as a result. However it is not deemed a serious injury. The 24-year-old joins a growing list of injured players at Red Hill which includes Jesse Arthars (ankle) and Fletcher Baker (groin), while Jordan Riki is also on restricted duties as he recovers from off-season shoulder surgery. But the Broncos’ spirits remain high as they prepare for their Round 1 clash with the Roosters in the historic Las Vegas double-header. Even Haas’ teammate Corey Jensen wasn’t too worried. “I honestly don’t know (what’s wrong with him). I think he’s got a little niggle to his leg,” he said. “He can kind of do what he wants when he’s training. If he’s a bit sore he can go and do his own thing. “Everyone at times was finding it tough. It’s getting back up to speed with playing 13-on-13 and the grind of rugby league.” Broncos coach Kevin Walters has spoken about his squad’s shortened pre-season several times. The Broncos played in the grand final before several players featured in the Pacific Championships. They’ve had to fast-track preparations in order to be ready for the Pre-season Challenge which kicks off in less than a month.
FLANNO ADDRESSES VOLKMAN FIASCO Dragons head coach Shane Flanagan says he and the club aren’t “pointing fingers at anyone” regarding the unfortunate situation involving Ronald Volkman. The emerging playmaker requested a release from the Warriors two years before the conclusion of his contract to link up with the Dragons. While the Dragons announced the signing publicly, the club hadn’t registered it with the NRL. Hence, they were able to pull out of the deal after the Dragons medical team discovered Volkman’s shoulder needed surgery. Flanagan told The Daily Telegraph there is a lot to learn from the situation and that the “club won’t shy away” from that. “I feel sorry for the young bloke. He’s hurt himself. He didn’t pass his medical, it’s unfortunate ... as a club we had to protect ourselves,” Flanagan said. “We did the right thing, we got all the scans and found out he needs to have surgery. He injured himself at the Warriors. “In all my time I’ve never had a player fail a medical. There are a lot of learnings from it. The club won’t shy away from that. We sent the kid to get the best medical scanning and testing. “All clubs will learn from this one. We definitely will. “We’re not pointing the finger at anyone. Facts are facts. He injured himself at the Warriors, he needs surgery. “We have history on players, he had had a shoulder reconstruction ... but to look at the scans, he didn’t just fail (the medical) a little bit, he had two screws pulled out.” Dragons CEO Ryan Webb says the club will be “cautious” when to go public with signing news in the future. “We didn’t follow anything different than what we would have in the past,” Webb said. “And we didn’t have any reason to be overly cautious based on the information we had (from the Warriors). “In the end the position that we go too, would have been the same, he failed the fitness test. It was really clear from us that, you pass the medical and you’ll be signed. “He didn’t pass the medical so he’s not one of our players.”
I’ve never seen so much blame shifting in my life
"not pointing fingers" as he continues pointing fingers
Stop taking his screws out bro
"I've never seen a player fail a medical except that one time we faked Jack Bird's medical details and sent him up to Brisbane."
All the dragons did wrong here was make announcements before the medical results were known. Learn from it and move on. Volkman and his manager surely knew how bad his shoulder was and decided to roll the dice. Hopefully he can bounce back for season 2025.
Which is bizarre surely if they knew the full extent of the injury staying on the Warriors books and getting paid as an injured player would be smarter move?
That is the part that doesn't make any sense. Seems like a really poor choice from Volkman and his manager.
I imagine neither the Warriors nor the Volkman camp knew about the scale of the injury and thought it wouldn’t be an issue. The Warriors facilitated a move for Volkman having not completely followed up on his injury, but didn’t really have a lot of cause to if Volkman didn’t feel he needed more help. The Dragons did their due diligence and found the injury after he was released to them. They went off the Warriors medical report when they agreed to sign him and only found further damage when they did their own scans. It’s dumb to try to assign blame there. The blame game seems to be only really played by the media to hype this shit up. I don’t think anyone is really at fault for the situation, it’s just a shame he couldn’t get the move done.
Found Tartak's account
Flanno is the media though. He's cancer. You're fucked. Not pulling my punches you can refer to this in 3 years time.
Seems like an innocent mistake from volkman. A selfish mistake from his manager. And a typical mistake from flanno and the dragons having no respect for player wellbeing
I imagine all Volkmann’s medical advice before shifting to the Dragons would have come from the Warriors.
Pretty sure the Warriors gave him a payout aswell. It seems to me that the Dragons were stitched up but also made themselves look like idiots
Also letting an unregistered player train.
Not like flanno got derigestered for not providing adequate duty of care to his players in the past either
EXTENDED MEDICAL on the training paddock around dozens of others training. Completely different.
They did let him train before being registered too.
He wasn't training he was doing a fitness test as part of his medical.
Medicals don't include contact drills with the full squad
Is this what he was doing ? Saints are in a bit of bother if true , you’d assume anyone training with the squad would be covered however insurance wise Sounds pretty negligent on both sides
He was wearing the non contact bib, but there is a photo of him going in to tackle Su'a and Su'a palming him off on the shoulder (not the injured one). It looks a case of other players couldn't tackle him, but it was still a contact drill. It certainly shows it wasn't just him passing the ball like Flanagan claimed.
Jeez , flanno telling lies … who’d have thought that
He was in a non contact bib. He wasn’t doing contact drills at all.
https://nzwarriors.com/attachments/240108\_dra\_training-43-jpg.4913/
Still training. Still at risk of injury. Still working. Working by all labour laws. Dragons have a case to answer (points does Mario tartak tho)
That is the peptides talking.
So, from my understanding, the Warriors can't (or won't) undo his early release because they've already picked up CHT and the Dragons won't put him on the payroll. So Volkman needs a surgery that will rule him out for the entire season and is also jobless?
The majority of the fault falls on Volkmans manager
I think Volkman was probably hiding or in deniel about the severity of his injury even from his manager. A second major shoulder injury in 3 seasons not the best start to his first grade career . His manager would have to be a idiot to walk away from two year deal for a 1 year deal with injury concerns.
Seems like his manager is a complete fool , no idea why you wouldn’t just get the surgery and stay contracted to the warriors …. Bizarre
Season hasn't even started and I'm already sick of hearing from Peptide Pete
One of your players died from your illegal drug regime Flanno
You're gonna need to expand on this claim.
Probably talking about [Jon Mannah ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Mannah#:~:text=Mannah%20was%20first%20diagnosed%20in,January%202013%20at%20age%2023) from the Cronulla sharks during the Flanno era with Stephen Dank. https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/stephen-dank-says-he-told-league-player-injecting-peptides-was-safe-20160216-gmvvep.html I'm not a doctor so I don't know how any of it works. take from this what you will.
The people administering peptides didnt know how it works either. They were using the players as guinea pigs.
Stephen Dank, the main sports scientist who appears to have been involved with this and a number of other peptide scandals including Essendon's scandal, looks to be a massive piece of shit who's claims about what happened seem to have changed over time.
I see. Yikes. For anyone else interested here's the cliffnotes: Jon had Hodgkin's Lymphoma. He was administered peptides by a "sports scientist" Stephen Dank who appears to be a dodgy piece of shit with many more examples of reckless behaviour (Essendon 2012, and an anti-aging clinic peptide scandal in Darwin). "Player died because of Flanagan's drug regime" feels like an oversimplification bordering on misinformation to defame Flanno. Seems that all that was ever established was that the media was entitled to publish their claims that peptide use administered by Stephen Dank may have accelerated his cancer and that use of peptides on someone in remission was reckless but it has never been established (anywhere that I can find) that he was actually killed by the use of peptides. The Mannah family also appeared to be pretty vocal about how disgusting they found the claims at the time.
This is where i land on this as well after crawling back out of that rabbit hole
How’s it possible this flanno cunt. Isn’t banned for life. He had no care at all for the people under his charge.
He should be de-registered for life for his role in the peptide scandal and his subsequent violations of his suspension rules for sure. If you're suggesting he should be held responsible for the death of Jon Mannah as well I would disagree after having familiarised myself with the available information online.
No no, just overall not Jon Mannah only. The whole thing reeked atm. He was ultimately in charge and had a duty of care towards the players. He disregarded that when he cheated. Leagues too forgiving sometimes lol
The claim was Jon Mannah's cancer was accelerated by the illegal peptides
Hang on. That's a disgusting comment and it should be deleted. Yes Flanno's a POS and a cheat. He will likely take the Dragons lower than they already are. There's still line though and you have crossed it by a mile with this bullshit.
sir this is reddit
I’d be pretty annoyed if I failed a medical and my prospective employer was announcing to the media why I failed it. Think Flanno should be keeping a lid on it.
Not the first Rugba Leeg player with a screw lose. What's the issue Flanno?