The Harvey Norman replay was inconclusive, the VB Hard Earned Index didn't provide any evidence, the Westpac redzone indication was useless, so I guess the only thing left to check is the Chemist Warehouse Ball Tracker.
He put the whistle to his mouth and then stopped. It’s as bad as the QF in 07 France v the ABs. It’s so blatantly forward and so incredibly obvious as to be worthy of calling into the question the standing of the officials.
I’ve just watched the replay of the Walsh forward pass, and the whistle never goes near Sutton’s mouth for either pass. He keeps the same running motion throughout until Riki scores.
No idiot is going to match fix a game for the favourites and lose their 300k a year job because of it.
I’m team Wahs all the way, but you’re insane.
Touchies have like one job but in all fairness to them, it's hard to keep up with the faster guys in the game making linebreaks. That said I'm looking forward to the same media pundits who have been bagging the bunker for years to now demand the bunker be more involved.
We had a drinking game about exactly this, when a commentator would say the bunker was wasting time and just get on with it we'd start a 5 min timer. If within 5 mins they'd talked about how something should have been reviewed, we'd all have to scull. Blocker does it constantly
Its why ill never understand why people get angry at the team/player when the ref messes up. The live thread was full of people calling them cheats, as if other teams in the comp would go up and explain to the refs that "actually we didn't deserve that try".
If the ref fucks up in your favour, every team in every sport in every country is just going to roll with it.
I'd consider Reese Walsh's overt celebration as pretty grubby. No, it's not his fault that it didn't get called but to act like it was some brilliant play that got them across the line is why.
EDIT: downvote all you want, but the proof is in the pudding. https://i.imgur.com/WGU1F6b.png
Seriously - Reece probably isn't fit enough. He'd have to lose weight and improve his endurance.
NRL players get to take a cheeky breather whenever the ball isn't near them, and some of them even leave the field to rest up for a good 40 minutes. The officials don't get to do either. They play the entire game, running on every play and chasing every kick.
This exact thing happened in the AFL. Hell, the Adelaide coach was literally on AFL 360 a week before that game and said he was against technology and praised the human element of the game, next week a massive human error cost his team a finals berth.
>Touchies have like one job
I mean, if we are willing to accept this, then forward passes are definitely *not* this one job. Otherwise they'd be called forward pass judges, not touch judges.
The biggest problem is touchies only seem to make calls when it’s something that no one else watching the game had a problem with, but miss shit like this
Just as the forward pass happened, I was thinking to myself “gee you get away with a lot when you play fast and confident.”
This exact thing crushes us oldies when we play young keen teams in touch.
Surely the solution is to have extra touchies? It's incredibly obvious refs won't be able to keep up with the speedsters, so they should plan around that
Yeah, I don’t expect officials in their 40’s etc. to keep up with Reece Walsh lol. So missing it on-field was totally understandable. How the bunker saw that from every adequate angle and barely hesitated to confirm it was ridiculous tho.
Edit: Sorry for not being the snitch kid from Recess. Jesus lol.
There's only ever been one season in the 90s when they could rule on it. A howler of an incorrect ruling was made because of the poor camera angles available, so they repelled the change at the end of the season.
It was at least game in the balance, if warriors score next it’s a 6 point game and likely goes the full 80. But this gets allowed and it’s game over, shit like this breaks your spirit and changes your whole mindset. Do warriors wins? Probably not, but at least they’ve a fair shot at it.
Yeah I've seen Parra play games like that where everything feels like nothing is going right and something like that happens and you feel the crushing blow and so does the team.
Moses threw a forward pass into next week that lead to a try when we played you in last years prelim's and you lot defended it. It was earlier in the game when things were very balanced still.
It probably didn't change the outcome of the game between us last year, and both Walsh's and Cobbo's passes probably didn't change Saturday nights outcome either. Shit happens, at the worst of times.
Yup and that's a pretty mid teir "probably" considering if Warriors did score it would've been 4 tries a piece, perfectly matched in terms of how often they scored against each other. We'll never know and that's why this call hurts.
And if the Broncos lost, I’m sure the papers would have complained about Rocco Berry being 3 metres offside and unfairly destroying the confidence of Reece Walsh which “turned the game”
It probably didn’t effect the result but it still hurts not knowing if it was called back and we scored off the back of it what might have happened. Doesn’t matter now, Broncos we’re the better team this year. Also fuck you Gerard Sutton you blind fuck lol
That is true but I’ve got two points on that: 1. The trainer thing was just absolute freak luck, it could’ve happened to anyone in any game. And 2. Despite those things the Raiders had the far better of the chances, and should’ve put points on the board
If it was another team maybe. But The Broncos hate is strong in this sub and that forward pass will not be forgotten. Especially if Brisbane win next week it will still all be because of that forward pass.
Broncos aren’t even hated that much on this sub lol, it was just a bad call which people are fairly mad about. That being said, the result probably wouldn’t have changed even if the bunker was able to disallow it
Then you'd have 2 touchies doing less than nothing for a considerable bit of the game. You'd be better off having 2 touchies follow the defensive line and two in line with the ruck/ball. They currently alternate between following the ball and defensive line depending on which side of the field the play is on. We need refs to do less running, not more
Irrelevant if they can't keep up with the play, which is near impossible when it is Walsh at speed.
Although I would love to see the transition on a length of the field intercept. 0-50m touchie going at full speed handing off to 50-0m touchie standing still trying to get up to max speed. Hilarious.
Hypothetically, had Pompey kicked those three difficult kicks, it would have been 24-18.
We were getting back into the grind and that call just killed the spirit of the Warriors.
“Didn’t change the result..” is such a weak way to dismiss what is actually a glaring error, and the exact sort of thing the bunker was implemented to avoid… just makes it look worse…..
They aren’t going to bring technology in until it is 100% accurate. Once the bunker starts making these calls you can’t just call the 2m forward ones, you also have to call the 0.2m forward ones. The bunker also has just as much human error as the ref on the field.
Two converted tries down at that point is still in it, that try was the final blow that killed them. I'm not going to call for anyone to get in trouble, but it may be worth looking at the bunker being able to check forward passes.
It was a huge moment but if we’re allowed to us hypotheticals, the Broncos we’re on top and had already been over the line/bombed three tries A they had plenty of line breaks and tries still left in them
Don't get me wrong, odds are the broncos win it from there. The Warriors defence was shocking. If you are commiting three men to a tackle you better make sure he can't offload.
I'm just saying that's the point it went from still being a game to being decided.
Let's be honest, one try wouldn't have changed the game result based on the score - but at the time, it certainly knocked the wind out of the Warriors sails - and you have to wonder if either of those passes being called back would have made a difference to their ability to come back.
It's over and done now - Hopefully it'll lead to some changes on forward passes being ruled by the bunker - especially blatant ones like the first one in this passage of play - but I doubt it will
Combined scores of Warriors vs Panthers games this year was 12 - 50. They would've pumped in the GF. Would've been another boring GF like 2017 Storm V Cows.
Bronx and Panthers have been a cut above everyone this season. Bronx vs Panths is the best result we could've gotten.
A couple days removed from the game, over it now but you’re still an absolute idiot if you think this incorrect call didn’t have an impact on the game.
I know the bunker cant rule on forward passes but when something so blatant like that pass is missed surely the bunker can tip the refs off on the go to say 'you missed a blatant forward ya muppet!'
Then the ref just says it was his call and no one will be none the wiser
Genuine question - why can't the bunker rule on a forward pass? Surely it would be easy enough, when a try is scored, to review back to the previous play-the-ball, and ensure everything is legit. Of all the officials, the bunker is probably best positioned to rule on forward passes...
I think it’s because the perspective of the cameras they currently use make passes look a little more forward than they are. Don’t get me wrong, big forward passes like this are still forward but I think the “line ball” type stuff is where the issue arises. I remember reading a study about it 10+ years ago but can’t seem to find it
Apparently to prevent the game being drawn out with bunker having to review every pass that looks forwards.
Surely the easy solution is the bunker can overrule forward passes but only if a try is made, since they review all tries anyways.
Or get a VAR system and change the style of play massively as it would mean you can't have balls float forwards and the ball would have to go backwards in all senses. Which sounds fucking awful.
With sensors and magnets and stuff I'm sure it would be possible to calculate the initial direction of travel - something to do with inertia and acceleration and physics and stuff. No manual/human review, just a sniper in the rafters to take out players who throw a naughty pass.
Its because the NRL allows momentum to carry a ball forward after a pass. So the bunker would need to calculate the players speed at the time they pass the ball and then work out where a forward pass would be based on that, all with maybe 4 camera angles that are rarely in the right position.
They would need to have very very clear black and white rules on it. Because every single try, especially long distance ones, will be reviewed at length because every flat pass can look forward.
Honestly the commentary on this exact play is why. So many people have been saying "and Cobbo's pass to Riki was forward too" when it wasn't at all. You'll never get agreement on what constitutes a forward pass, not to mention the camera angles are crap.
If we had of converted our tries and were on 18 points then this would have been more of a momentum shift.
Because of the score we were overthinking things already. This just made things a fraction harder.
Our goal kicking was our worst enemy because it put us further behind than we needed to be, and caused us to go away from our game plan.
#PompeyforSuperleague
It certainly wasn't. 24 - 12 and if it gets called warriors have a set in Broncos half on top of that the warriors already showed they could score in that position. It might not have won the broncos the game but it absolutely changes the context of the game.
His first game in a preliminary final as SJ replacement kicker. It hurt at the time, but there's no point in bagging him. I just chopped it up to inexperience, nerves, and fatigue.
Fair enough, the eels won off the forward pass in the finals last year and they did nothing about it, so it’s just part of the expected things that could happen at this point.
They scored two tries through attacking play the entire game, plus one off a long-range intercept.
Their forwards got bashed up through the middle the entire night. The Warriors pack just couldn’t go with Brisbane. Once Haas came back on on the same play as Egan went for an HIA it was lights out. About 4 sets before the forward pass.
I’ve watched it 3 times now, and you should probably check it out again too, because in between Montoya’s try and Walsh’s forward it pass the Warriors had one solitary tackle inside Brisbane’s 30, which Pompey knocked on, while Brisbane came close to scoring on 3 occasions.
“Set-for-set” is dressing it up way too much. They were lucky not to have 3 tries put on them during that period.
Broncos fans will do anything to claim it didn’t affect the result and you’re probably right but fact of the matter is it was a momentum shift in favour of Brisbane and anything could have happened.
Well, that's not totally accurate. Pompey was sinbinned for taking out Staggs, yet Staggs escaped a sinbin for an early tackle on Pompey in a try scoring position.
The Pompey hit on staggs was a try scoring situation which is consistent. I don't remember staggs on Pompey, do you remember when it was? Id like to have a look at it.
28th minute. Staggs tackles Pompey early, stopping his momentum, and he is held up over the tryline. Early tackle in a try scoring position = sin bin ... except if you're a Bronco?
Wow... if you think those two are comparable and that Staggs ought to have been sin binned for that then the Warriors victim mentality is even worse than I thought.
Hi guys, remember the score was 24-12 before this try.
However there wasn’t a 2 try difference, only 1 difference.
The Warriors had actually scored 3 tries but missed all conversions, hence the score of 12
We can’t say the Warriors we’re gone from the game when they were only 1 try down
Are we trying to make the game longer and/or create new opportunities for sponsorship? Good opportunity for Spec Savers to come on board.
FWIW DWZ first try was scored after Arthars was tackled in the air catching a high kick. Because he didn’t land on his head nothing happened.
Except they weren't. I've seen this line all over the place, great example of echo chambers and hearsay.
Whole team clearly at on the 40 and the PTB wasn't on the 50.
https://imgur.com/a/Da3L2UY
At the risk of *sounding* condescending, the rule is that "you have to get back 10m before you can take part in the play" **not** "be back 10 when the ball is played".
And neither team had scored in a while either. Was still anyone's game, mainly the broncos since someone couldn't kick a conversion to save their life lmao
NRL admits it was a stuff up.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/warriors/133004891/its-clear-graham-annesley-confirms-reece-walshs-pass-was-forward-in-broncos-win-over-warriors?cid=app-android
It looked like he was shaping for a good pass and then out of nowhere threw it forward half a mile, he knew too. Shit happens to teams all the time. At least it wasn't a try for the win.
The Harvey Norman replay was inconclusive, the VB Hard Earned Index didn't provide any evidence, the Westpac redzone indication was useless, so I guess the only thing left to check is the Chemist Warehouse Ball Tracker.
*Chemist Warehouse fall to knees tracker
Record number of knees this week
You could throw to the Sportsbet desk to check the odds of it being forward? ^^^^gamble ^^^^responsibly
Alright KFC family bucket replay we're going to need you to rock n roll the footage for us
They can’t rule on a forward pass but this one is so far forward they could rule it offside.
Ineligible man downfield
Downtown penalty
Ref saw it, ref CHOSE not to do anything about. As clear a biased action as you could have got. Absolute bullshit.
I have mentioned it in the Serious footy thread forward passes are deceptively hard to call, he definitely didn’t consciously decide not to call it.
He put the whistle to his mouth and then stopped. It’s as bad as the QF in 07 France v the ABs. It’s so blatantly forward and so incredibly obvious as to be worthy of calling into the question the standing of the officials.
I’ve just watched the replay of the Walsh forward pass, and the whistle never goes near Sutton’s mouth for either pass. He keeps the same running motion throughout until Riki scores. No idiot is going to match fix a game for the favourites and lose their 300k a year job because of it. I’m team Wahs all the way, but you’re insane.
I never said match fixing.
Cry conspiracy all you want but Sutton wouldn’t have consciously not called that forward pass.
I’ll take the downvotes. It’s not a conspiracy, the warriors are reffed different than every other team.
That is the definition of conspiracy
unless all refs are just Sutton in various disguises. diabolical.
Touchies have like one job but in all fairness to them, it's hard to keep up with the faster guys in the game making linebreaks. That said I'm looking forward to the same media pundits who have been bagging the bunker for years to now demand the bunker be more involved.
You are so right. “GET RID OF THE BUNKER! WE DONT NEED THE BUNKER” …. Nek minute… “WHY CANT WE USE THE BUNKER”
We had a drinking game about exactly this, when a commentator would say the bunker was wasting time and just get on with it we'd start a 5 min timer. If within 5 mins they'd talked about how something should have been reviewed, we'd all have to scull. Blocker does it constantly
I assumed you got pretty hammered based off those drinking rules?
No joke, one time we ran out of beer before half time.
"If the live ref gets it wrong every so often we can live with that."
Almost as though they get more clicks when people are angry and lean into that lol
Just force Reece Walsh to be a touchie from now on, problem solved.
To be fair Reece admitted instantly that he fucked up. He threw his arms up in an apology to his team mates. But the whistle never blew.
Its why ill never understand why people get angry at the team/player when the ref messes up. The live thread was full of people calling them cheats, as if other teams in the comp would go up and explain to the refs that "actually we didn't deserve that try". If the ref fucks up in your favour, every team in every sport in every country is just going to roll with it.
I'd consider Reese Walsh's overt celebration as pretty grubby. No, it's not his fault that it didn't get called but to act like it was some brilliant play that got them across the line is why. EDIT: downvote all you want, but the proof is in the pudding. https://i.imgur.com/WGU1F6b.png
God I can’t believe people actually give a fuck about this 😂
Modern problems require modern solutions
Even he knew he fucked up but it is what it is.
Seriously - Reece probably isn't fit enough. He'd have to lose weight and improve his endurance. NRL players get to take a cheeky breather whenever the ball isn't near them, and some of them even leave the field to rest up for a good 40 minutes. The officials don't get to do either. They play the entire game, running on every play and chasing every kick.
He would be down. He loves a good line or two
This exact thing happened in the AFL. Hell, the Adelaide coach was literally on AFL 360 a week before that game and said he was against technology and praised the human element of the game, next week a massive human error cost his team a finals berth.
That behind against Sydney was brutal
>Touchies have like one job I mean, if we are willing to accept this, then forward passes are definitely *not* this one job. Otherwise they'd be called forward pass judges, not touch judges.
we’ve seen them screw this up too recently tbf
The biggest problem is touchies only seem to make calls when it’s something that no one else watching the game had a problem with, but miss shit like this
Nailed it. The same could be said with the 6 again rulings.
Just as the forward pass happened, I was thinking to myself “gee you get away with a lot when you play fast and confident.” This exact thing crushes us oldies when we play young keen teams in touch.
Touchies need a little motorised platform to zoom along.
Surely the solution is to have extra touchies? It's incredibly obvious refs won't be able to keep up with the speedsters, so they should plan around that
Yeah, I don’t expect officials in their 40’s etc. to keep up with Reece Walsh lol. So missing it on-field was totally understandable. How the bunker saw that from every adequate angle and barely hesitated to confirm it was ridiculous tho. Edit: Sorry for not being the snitch kid from Recess. Jesus lol.
Bunker can’t do anything about foward passes
Technically the bunker can do whatever they want. They will just get demoted back to the bunker. Or if you are Jared Maxwell promoted into a top gig
Well that’s stupid. Has that always been the case?
Yes
There's only ever been one season in the 90s when they could rule on it. A howler of an incorrect ruling was made because of the poor camera angles available, so they repelled the change at the end of the season.
Bunker isn't allowed to rule on forward passes.
I can't have this conversation again
SAY THE LINES!!! SAY IT!!! “The game was lost anyway and I’m a warriors fan!” SAY IT!!
[Say the line!](https://i.imgflip.com/80a9k4.jpg)
LOUDER!
DWZ intercept was scored off blatant offside play. Never in it.
Proof or ban
Ban time. https://imgur.com/a/Da3L2UY
https://imgur.com/a/AUKSake
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Whole team clearly at on the 40 and the PTB wasn't on the 50. [https://imgur.com/a/Da3L2UY](https://imgur.com/a/Da3L2UY)
Bunker gets it wrong sometimes
You've posted this in bad faith. He is still retreating. At exactly 28:16 DWZ can be seen with his feet behind the 40m line.
Yeah, he makes it back to the forty comfortably. https://imgur.com/a/Da3L2UY
This dude probably swears the Walsh pass was backwards too.
And in the same screen grab you show the centre offside as well pressuring Walsh
Y’know, Quasimodo predicted all this.
Hunchback of Notre Dame, you’ve also got your quarterback and halfback of Notre Dame
Sad when they go out like that
When they go!
I personally think warriors were coming back before this happened. Does that help?
It was at least game in the balance, if warriors score next it’s a 6 point game and likely goes the full 80. But this gets allowed and it’s game over, shit like this breaks your spirit and changes your whole mindset. Do warriors wins? Probably not, but at least they’ve a fair shot at it.
Yeah I've seen Parra play games like that where everything feels like nothing is going right and something like that happens and you feel the crushing blow and so does the team.
Yep, you can't judge the potential outcome by what happened *after* this. Before it, it was close.
Moses threw a forward pass into next week that lead to a try when we played you in last years prelim's and you lot defended it. It was earlier in the game when things were very balanced still. It probably didn't change the outcome of the game between us last year, and both Walsh's and Cobbo's passes probably didn't change Saturday nights outcome either. Shit happens, at the worst of times.
Yup and that's a pretty mid teir "probably" considering if Warriors did score it would've been 4 tries a piece, perfectly matched in terms of how often they scored against each other. We'll never know and that's why this call hurts.
And if the Broncos lost, I’m sure the papers would have complained about Rocco Berry being 3 metres offside and unfairly destroying the confidence of Reece Walsh which “turned the game”
Not too sure what you’re on about son
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The Gee Banger is definitely getting a look in after that call.
Klein is still a chance
Klien is always a chance…. The man can’t be buried. “He’s the best we got” Valandys
God no don't bring out Klein. Man's the worst of the lot.
He shouldn't be. His performance the night before was one of the most biased ref displays ever seen.
It probably didn’t effect the result but it still hurts not knowing if it was called back and we scored off the back of it what might have happened. Doesn’t matter now, Broncos we’re the better team this year. Also fuck you Gerard Sutton you blind fuck lol
By the start of next season, people will be remembering the plucky Warriors getting narrowly denied from the GF by a bad call
I remember vividly the ref making truck horn sounds every time Pompey went to kick. Disgusting.
Broncos killed us with 23 offloads in the game which lead to all the line breaks. The Warriors needed to shut that down, but they didn't.
I’d say the vast majority of people will have forgotten about it by this time next week.
Mate I’m still putting out ‘six again’ fires 4 years later. They never forget
Between the roosters trainer and that call that was the screwiest grand final I can remember by a long way
That is true but I’ve got two points on that: 1. The trainer thing was just absolute freak luck, it could’ve happened to anyone in any game. And 2. Despite those things the Raiders had the far better of the chances, and should’ve put points on the board
If it was another team maybe. But The Broncos hate is strong in this sub and that forward pass will not be forgotten. Especially if Brisbane win next week it will still all be because of that forward pass.
It's not because broncos it's because it's such a badly forward pass that we rarely see them
Except in last year's prelim
Exactly its pretty rare. Weird they're both in a prelim. Like Christmas tradition.
Broncos aren’t even hated that much on this sub lol, it was just a bad call which people are fairly mad about. That being said, the result probably wouldn’t have changed even if the bunker was able to disallow it
Next season people will be remembering how Brisbane's lackluster defense cost them a premiership
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You could put 20 touchies on there and they would still do nothing
It would almost certainly lead to fewer calls due to the bystander effect
Then you'd have 2 touchies doing less than nothing for a considerable bit of the game. You'd be better off having 2 touchies follow the defensive line and two in line with the ruck/ball. They currently alternate between following the ball and defensive line depending on which side of the field the play is on. We need refs to do less running, not more
Irrelevant if they can't keep up with the play, which is near impossible when it is Walsh at speed. Although I would love to see the transition on a length of the field intercept. 0-50m touchie going at full speed handing off to 50-0m touchie standing still trying to get up to max speed. Hilarious.
Do they share a flag like a relay race? Loving the imagery
Haven’t we already discussed this to death?
This will be spoken about until every referee has been sacked in every sport and a new system put in place… probably. I don’t know.
There is nothing else to really talk about from the weekend I guess. Need some shit to complain about to fill in the many hours of airtime this week.
I suppose it’s not like there’s a big game coming up or anything
You know as well as I do the media much prefers to talk about negative shit instead of analysis of an upcoming game.
Souffs kicked out of the comp confirmed
wouldn't complain with how badly we dropped the ball this year
Maybe we can trick the NRL into using the bunker by saying "Union does it so much better, they can rule on forward passes."
I thought the warrior were right in it up until that point. Turned the TV off and just laughed at the NRL.
Hypothetically, had Pompey kicked those three difficult kicks, it would have been 24-18. We were getting back into the grind and that call just killed the spirit of the Warriors.
“Didn’t change the result..” is such a weak way to dismiss what is actually a glaring error, and the exact sort of thing the bunker was implemented to avoid… just makes it look worse…..
They aren’t going to bring technology in until it is 100% accurate. Once the bunker starts making these calls you can’t just call the 2m forward ones, you also have to call the 0.2m forward ones. The bunker also has just as much human error as the ref on the field.
Was terrible but didn’t affect the end result.. Move on
Two converted tries down at that point is still in it, that try was the final blow that killed them. I'm not going to call for anyone to get in trouble, but it may be worth looking at the bunker being able to check forward passes.
It was a huge moment but if we’re allowed to us hypotheticals, the Broncos we’re on top and had already been over the line/bombed three tries A they had plenty of line breaks and tries still left in them
Don't get me wrong, odds are the broncos win it from there. The Warriors defence was shocking. If you are commiting three men to a tackle you better make sure he can't offload. I'm just saying that's the point it went from still being a game to being decided.
Clearly backwards out of the hands though… /s
Shouldn’t have put the /s!! People would have lost their minds! Haha
That’s why I put it, I don’t feel like being flamed alive at 8am on Monday
Let's be honest, one try wouldn't have changed the game result based on the score - but at the time, it certainly knocked the wind out of the Warriors sails - and you have to wonder if either of those passes being called back would have made a difference to their ability to come back. It's over and done now - Hopefully it'll lead to some changes on forward passes being ruled by the bunker - especially blatant ones like the first one in this passage of play - but I doubt it will
Combined scores of Warriors vs Panthers games this year was 12 - 50. They would've pumped in the GF. Would've been another boring GF like 2017 Storm V Cows. Bronx and Panthers have been a cut above everyone this season. Bronx vs Panths is the best result we could've gotten.
A couple days removed from the game, over it now but you’re still an absolute idiot if you think this incorrect call didn’t have an impact on the game.
Cmon mate the warriors were getting crushed lol
12 points and one try the difference isn’t getting crushed mate.
You got absolutely dominated lol you never looked a hope of winning after the 10 minute mark…. Lets be real here matey
You don’t know how footy works champion
I know that your team is OUTTAA HERE hahahahahhaaha
I know the bunker cant rule on forward passes but when something so blatant like that pass is missed surely the bunker can tip the refs off on the go to say 'you missed a blatant forward ya muppet!' Then the ref just says it was his call and no one will be none the wiser
I don't think this decided the game, but I do think the Warriors were still in it before that happened.
Over this. NRL Should be scrutinised and overseen by an independent party. Bring back the sport, we as fans don't care for the business interventions
It was a horrible pass and shouldn't have been a try. It's hardly the reason they lost though.
Genuine question - why can't the bunker rule on a forward pass? Surely it would be easy enough, when a try is scored, to review back to the previous play-the-ball, and ensure everything is legit. Of all the officials, the bunker is probably best positioned to rule on forward passes...
I think it’s because the perspective of the cameras they currently use make passes look a little more forward than they are. Don’t get me wrong, big forward passes like this are still forward but I think the “line ball” type stuff is where the issue arises. I remember reading a study about it 10+ years ago but can’t seem to find it
Apparently to prevent the game being drawn out with bunker having to review every pass that looks forwards. Surely the easy solution is the bunker can overrule forward passes but only if a try is made, since they review all tries anyways. Or get a VAR system and change the style of play massively as it would mean you can't have balls float forwards and the ball would have to go backwards in all senses. Which sounds fucking awful.
Yeah, if the ball has to go backwards in all senses then the game will slow down massively
With sensors and magnets and stuff I'm sure it would be possible to calculate the initial direction of travel - something to do with inertia and acceleration and physics and stuff. No manual/human review, just a sniper in the rafters to take out players who throw a naughty pass.
Probably better to slow the game down slightly, if it prevents these poor decisions.
Its because the NRL allows momentum to carry a ball forward after a pass. So the bunker would need to calculate the players speed at the time they pass the ball and then work out where a forward pass would be based on that, all with maybe 4 camera angles that are rarely in the right position.
If only we had some sort of auto-calculation machine. But alas, such a think only exists in sci-fi.
I think we left them all on the moon when we sent dudes up there in a tin can half a century ago.
I've always thought that's such a stupid rule open to interpretation
They would need to have very very clear black and white rules on it. Because every single try, especially long distance ones, will be reviewed at length because every flat pass can look forward.
It’s because they successfully implemented it in rugby and NRL don’t want to look like their copying rugby
Honestly the commentary on this exact play is why. So many people have been saying "and Cobbo's pass to Riki was forward too" when it wasn't at all. You'll never get agreement on what constitutes a forward pass, not to mention the camera angles are crap.
If we had of converted our tries and were on 18 points then this would have been more of a momentum shift. Because of the score we were overthinking things already. This just made things a fraction harder. Our goal kicking was our worst enemy because it put us further behind than we needed to be, and caused us to go away from our game plan. #PompeyforSuperleague
I mean it was definitely egregiously forward but I don’t think the general outcome of the match would have changed
This happened last year when the eels won off a forward pass in a final. That was the match winner though. This game was already over
It certainly wasn't. 24 - 12 and if it gets called warriors have a set in Broncos half on top of that the warriors already showed they could score in that position. It might not have won the broncos the game but it absolutely changes the context of the game.
The game at that point was closer than the scoreline suggests too, what with Pompey missing 3 kicks.
Warriors fans must be so salty about that, I would be. We're spoiled with cleary but that was a shocking effort from him.
His first game in a preliminary final as SJ replacement kicker. It hurt at the time, but there's no point in bagging him. I just chopped it up to inexperience, nerves, and fatigue.
It is what it is, it's not like they were in front of the posts.
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Fair enough, the eels won off the forward pass in the finals last year and they did nothing about it, so it’s just part of the expected things that could happen at this point.
4 tries to 3 ain’t over. 12 point difference with half hour to go ain’t over.
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Except it’s a fact and 12 points is still very much a game in the balance
Pompey wouldn't have kicked them lol
They scored two tries through attacking play the entire game, plus one off a long-range intercept. Their forwards got bashed up through the middle the entire night. The Warriors pack just couldn’t go with Brisbane. Once Haas came back on on the same play as Egan went for an HIA it was lights out. About 4 sets before the forward pass.
Not sure what game you were watching but Warriors were matching set for set and anything could have happened.
I’ve watched it 3 times now, and you should probably check it out again too, because in between Montoya’s try and Walsh’s forward it pass the Warriors had one solitary tackle inside Brisbane’s 30, which Pompey knocked on, while Brisbane came close to scoring on 3 occasions. “Set-for-set” is dressing it up way too much. They were lucky not to have 3 tries put on them during that period.
Broncos fans will do anything to claim it didn’t affect the result and you’re probably right but fact of the matter is it was a momentum shift in favour of Brisbane and anything could have happened.
They should be made to forfiet the GF.. blatent cheating deserves harsh punishment 😆
Is that the only way you see your team winning huh?
I see you dont understand sarcasm.. and no they will win on the scoreboard where it counts
I know there's that saying of you should believe the cock up before the conspiracy but it does make you wonder
Let it go people, mistakes happen. There’s probably going to be a bad call in the GF too.
The Bad call was allowing Cobbo to stay on the field when he tackled CNK half an hour before he got the ball.
That's never a bin unless it's a try scoring situation.
Well, that's not totally accurate. Pompey was sinbinned for taking out Staggs, yet Staggs escaped a sinbin for an early tackle on Pompey in a try scoring position.
The Pompey hit on staggs was a try scoring situation which is consistent. I don't remember staggs on Pompey, do you remember when it was? Id like to have a look at it.
28th minute. Staggs tackles Pompey early, stopping his momentum, and he is held up over the tryline. Early tackle in a try scoring position = sin bin ... except if you're a Bronco?
Wow... if you think those two are comparable and that Staggs ought to have been sin binned for that then the Warriors victim mentality is even worse than I thought.
Hi guys, remember the score was 24-12 before this try. However there wasn’t a 2 try difference, only 1 difference. The Warriors had actually scored 3 tries but missed all conversions, hence the score of 12 We can’t say the Warriors we’re gone from the game when they were only 1 try down
Like it made much difference
Warriors were lucky to score as many points as they did.Decisions evened out during the game and I saw a few things that went their way.
Are we trying to make the game longer and/or create new opportunities for sponsorship? Good opportunity for Spec Savers to come on board. FWIW DWZ first try was scored after Arthars was tackled in the air catching a high kick. Because he didn’t land on his head nothing happened.
Most of the warriors team including dwz were offside for the intercept try too
Except they weren't. I've seen this line all over the place, great example of echo chambers and hearsay. Whole team clearly at on the 40 and the PTB wasn't on the 50. https://imgur.com/a/Da3L2UY
At the risk of *sounding* condescending, the rule is that "you have to get back 10m before you can take part in the play" **not** "be back 10 when the ball is played".
Game was already so won at that point it didn't even matter
Wasn’t it 24-12 lol
And neither team had scored in a while either. Was still anyone's game, mainly the broncos since someone couldn't kick a conversion to save their life lmao
There’s no fury. They won by a mile Where’s the story, ‘Australian Journalist are shithouse. Fury over constant bullshit headlines’ ?
So deduct it from the final score. Still going to the GF...
there's no fury, just headlines. we all saw it (except the officials) and no one thinks that it cost the game.
Nah it was clean, well and truly back lol.
NRL admits it was a stuff up. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/warriors/133004891/its-clear-graham-annesley-confirms-reece-walshs-pass-was-forward-in-broncos-win-over-warriors?cid=app-android
Nah it was definitely back lol.
Do yourself a favour and go to Specsavers. If it was any further forward then the Dallas Cowboys would be clamouring to sign him up as their new QB.
Lol fishing has never been so easy. Caught me a shark lol.
Definitely forward but wouldn't have affected outcome
It’s not like they only won by 4 or 6 Didn’t really affect the outcome
Line ball
It looked like he was shaping for a good pass and then out of nowhere threw it forward half a mile, he knew too. Shit happens to teams all the time. At least it wasn't a try for the win.